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00:00 joebankz I would like to have a clean unordered list. But as it is now, it prints the html in a lump.
00:00 joebankz instead of neat line breaks between each <ul> and <li>, I get them all run together.
00:00 joebankz anyway to make a \n or \r?
00:00 isolysis_ im not qualified to answer that..
00:01 isolysis_ i dont see it as a big deal, since in the browser output it renders properly
00:01 isolysis_ it is just the source that is clumped together
00:01 joebankz but...
00:01 joebankz I'd like it nice and neat for some javascript I'm using for my menu system.
00:01 isolysis_ there probably is a way to do it
00:01 joebankz yeah.
00:01 bekks you want </ul>
00:01 joebankz thanks for your response anyway.
00:02 joebankz I want the html to look neat and clean.
00:03 joebankz instead of <ul><li><a href"someline">Home</a></li></ul>
00:03 bekks you want </ul> and <li> ... to separate the unordered from the ordered list ...
00:03 joebankz huh?
00:03 joebankz I don't think os.
00:03 joebankz so
00:03 joebankz I want this:
00:03 joebankz <ul>
00:03 joebankz <li>
00:04 joebankz <a href="">somelink</a>
00:04 joebankz </li>
00:04 joebankz </ul>
00:04 joebankz I want a new line for each unordered list element in the html.
00:04 joebankz make sense?
00:05 bekks so insert a \n in the code then, or a <br/> in html
00:05 many you dont want that. but theres some cleansource plugin which does something like that
00:05 joebankz tried a \n in typoscript
00:05 joebankz doesn't work.
00:05 bekks which is obvious.
00:05 bekks \n is NOT part of the html specs.
00:06 bekks you want <br/> or something.
00:06 many no
00:06 isolysis_ not br
00:06 isolysis_ br is a linebreak for rendering
00:06 joebankz don't want a <br /> that is only going to clean up my rendered html... I want a linebreak in the html
00:06 isolysis_ we just want the coding to be split on several lines
00:07 joebankz correct isolysis
00:07 isolysis_ for that, the logical thing would mean the actual typoscript is split along several lines
00:07 isolysis_ if that is possible even via some special format
00:07 joebankz tried that too.
00:07 joebankz still crams it all together when rendered.
00:07 many doesnt work either :D
00:07 isolysis_ other than that you will need some plugin like someone mentioned, to clean the output before it getss to the browser
00:08 joebankz yeah... I did try a bunch of stuff before I stuck my head in here. :)
00:08 isolysis_ basically the plugin would look for closing </li> elements and space them
00:08 joebankz right.
00:08 joebankz tidy or something.
00:08 isolysis_ yeah
00:08 isolysis_ but tidy does something else
00:08 isolysis_ i think,
00:08 bekks isolysis_: which plugin?
00:09 isolysis_ its for the actual markup, rather than the spacing of the code
00:09 joebankz all right. Well, thanks for all your responses. I'll keep hackin' at it.
00:09 isolysis_ bekks: i dont know if one exists, but i think it was many who mentioned a 'cleansource' plugin or someting
00:10 isolysis_ joebankz: you just need to keep asking at regular intervals, because you might not get an answer now but later someone might be here who knows about it
00:10 joebankz right-o
00:10 joebankz :)
00:10 joebankz thanks all
00:10 many there is a plugin
00:10 many i just dont remember its name
00:10 bekks many: which one?
00:10 bekks :)
00:48 pH-Wert hi everybody
00:49 Denyerec probably something related to htmltidy
00:49 pH-Wert anybody out there who knows a little bit about the tt_news ?
00:50 pH-Wert i hope so ;)
00:53 Denyerec problem?
01:07 pH-Wert well i am having 2 independent "LATEST" News on my page without using the news plugin but using typoscript. Now i want to have 2 independent layouts for both of them. at the moment both look the same :/
01:09 pH-Wert they are using the modified template ...
01:10 pH-Wert #######################################
01:10 pH-Wert temp.announcement =
01:10 pH-Wert [treeLevel = 0,1,2] {
01:10 pH-Wert temp.announcement < plugin.tt_news
01:10 pH-Wert temp.announcement {
01:10 pH-Wert code >
01:10 pH-Wert code = LATEST
01:10 pH-Wert pid_list >
01:10 pH-Wert pid_list = 332
01:10 pH-Wert #singlePid = 88 // unter 3.7 war es = 140
01:10 pH-Wert #catImageMode = 0
01:10 pH-Wert #catTextMode = 0
01:11 pH-Wert wrap1.wrap =
01:11 pH-Wert wrap2.wrap =
01:11 pH-Wert color1.wrap =
01:11 pH-Wert color2.wrap =
01:11 pH-Wert color3.wrap =
01:11 pH-Wert #PIDitemDisplay = 88
01:11 pH-Wert displayLatest.date_stdWrap.strftime = %d.%m.%y:
01:11 pH-Wert displayLatest.time_stdWrap.strftime =
01:11 pH-Wert displayLatest.subheader_stdWrap.crop = 100 | ...
01:11 pH-Wert #latestLimit = 2
01:11 pH-Wert }
01:11 pH-Wert }
01:11 pH-Wert thats what i use in typoscript-Setup for my "announcement"
01:13 pH-Wert where is it assigned which template-layout is used?
01:35 pH-Wert anyone out there? :)
01:47 Denyerec hmm
01:47 Denyerec there is a directive to set the template file.
01:47 Denyerec ONe second.
01:47 Denyerec pH-Wert
01:48 pH-Wert Denyerec: yes?
01:48 Denyerec plugin,tt_news.templateFile = fileadmin/template/tt_news-teaser.html
01:48 Denyerec plugin.tt_news.templateFile = fileadmin/template/tt_news-teaser.html
01:49 Denyerec so for you temp.announcement.templateFile = fileadmin/template/tt_news-teaser.html
01:49 Denyerec So just create a new HTML file and slap the markup for the LATEST layout in there
01:50 pH-Wert do i put that line in the setup or in the constants?
01:52 sessaid Hello all, does anyone have a link that explains the caching mechanism (in English) ?
01:53 Denyerec Setup
01:53 Denyerec as far as I know.
01:53 Denyerec sessaid - there is an article on the typo3 site about CHASH explained
01:53 Denyerec I think it's called "The mysteries of CHASH explained"
01:53 Denyerec so google for that.
01:53 Denyerec should give you enough leads for other enquiries.
01:54 pH-Wert Denyerec: hey thanks .. i gonna try that!
01:56 pH-Wert Denyerec: This goddamn worx!!! Thanks man ... you are great!
01:56 sessaid Denyerec: thanks, I am looking for that article but didn't find it yet
01:56 Denyerec one sec sess
01:57 Denyerec http://typo3.org/development/articles/the-mysteries-of-chash/
01:57 Denyerec you're welcome Wert
01:59 sessaid Denyerec: thanks, that article needs a better title (for newbies) :-)
02:07 pH-Wert thanks ... and good night ...
02:07 pH-Wert cu all
02:26 sessaid Ok, I think I understand caching a little better now but let me see if I got it correctly.... (please correct me if I am wrong)
02:26 sessaid A page is cached based on its URL and a chash should be used for additional parameters to prevent caching problems.
02:26 sessaid The cache is plain HTML that gets sent to the client as if it was an HTML file.
02:26 sessaid There are some sort of markers for non-cached functions and these markers have the typoscript setup for that object so that the object.
02:26 sessaid What if the output from this non-cached typoscript object was going to be processed by some other typoscript object, along with the cached HTML? How does that work?
02:26 sessaid Thanks.
02:29 Denyerec I would guess, that if any non-cache object is present on a page, that it defaults to regenerating the page.
02:29 Denyerec However I'm no expert
02:29 Denyerec Just stick around in here for a few days, and someone with more knowledge will come by
02:29 Denyerec I gotta sleep anyhow, gnight!
02:29 sessaid dyny
02:29 sessaid Denyerec: thanks,
02:32 sessaid So a USER_INT anywhere in a template will prevent caching the whole page?
04:35 joebankz I want my html to look neat and clean.
04:35 joebankz instead of <ul><li><a href"someline">Home</a></li></ul>
04:36 joebankz I want this:
04:36 joebankz <ul>
04:36 joebankz <li>
04:36 joebankz <a href="">somelink</a>
04:36 joebankz </li>
04:36 joebankz </ul>
04:37 joebankz I'm using typoscript to generate this unordered list for my menu system.
08:08 d|g hi all =)
10:15 TYPO3 loooooool
10:15 TYPO3 noone here ??
10:15 uschi_ morning
10:20 uschi morning koomi
10:24 koomi good morning uschi
10:24 uschi how was your evening out?
10:25 koomi easy. thai & beer, as promised
13:35 lila hi all
13:36 lila how can i make typo3 not to add slash at the end of this:
13:36 lila <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
13:36 lila any one?>
13:37 lila i want to make my site html 4.0 transitional compatible
13:37 lila and the validator is pointing out this slash
13:38 lila hello???
13:42 lila anybody in room?
13:44 lila how can i make typo3 not to add slash at the end of this:
13:44 lila <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
13:44 lila i want to make my site html 4.0 transitional compatible
13:44 lila and the validator is pointing out this slash
13:46 lila hello anybody plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
13:51 koomi lila: did you change the .. what's the word .. in typo3
13:51 koomi (this might not be the most helpful comment ever)
13:52 koomi config.doctype
13:52 koomi google prolly know lila
13:55 lila config.doctype changes the doc type
13:55 lila i have tried it
13:55 lila i want to work only with html 4.0
13:56 ShadowHunter why not xhtml?
13:57 lila coz my website already built
13:57 lila and if i do it xhtml complaint it wuld be very hard for e to remove errors in it
13:58 lila even though doctype is set to html 4.0
13:58 lila but typo3 still adds ending slashes to tags as it is working on the xhtml version
13:59 lila i m stuck in it for about a week now
14:01 ShadowHunter hm.. i only use xhtml because of firefox, opera and all other browsers
14:01 isolysis_ lila: i think it would be worth fixing your templates so that it is xhtml compliant
14:02 isolysis_ give us some links and we can help you narrow down your validation errors
14:02 lila :(
14:02 isolysis_ besides your code will be alot cleaner then and better in the long term
14:03 lila u know what some design elements also disturb the design when i turn to xhtml
14:03 lila :(
14:03 ShadowHunter with xhtml and good css the website will look good on all browsers (except internet explorer... it has always the same problems)
14:06 lila client also wants it looks same in IE
14:06 lila thats the problem!!
14:07 lila can anyboy guide me how to remove the ending slashes at meta tag in header that typo3 generates
14:07 lila client have given a strict deadline
14:07 ShadowHunter maybe with htmltidy?
14:08 lila no i m talking is there any setting or property that meta tag can be edited
14:10 ShadowHunter the only way could be the "tidy" (htmltidy).. because more and more typo3-extensions will only output xhtml
14:10 isolysis_ lila: i think you will the issue is that typo3 has been developed now with xhtml compliance in mind, that's why everything is being generated this way by default
14:11 ShadowHunter html 4.0 is deprecated... in some way
14:11 isolysis_ rather than <meta xxx /> you will need <meta xxx></meta>
14:11 Denyerec lila : http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/typo3-english/2006-September/031398.html
14:11 Denyerec The solution, found through google, seems to be to set and configure TIDY properly, and let it clean up the tags for you.
14:12 Denyerec Though quite why anyone would set out to make a HTML 4.x website in these days is a mystery.
14:12 isolysis_ Denyerec: you'd be surprised.. head over to #html channel and they advocate html 4.01 strict doctype there
14:12 isolysis_ but personally i prefer xhtml1
14:12 Denyerec Pft
14:12 isolysis_ transitional
14:13 Denyerec xhtml 1.0 trans
14:13 Denyerec It Works
14:13 Denyerec And the longer retards keep recommending 1997 standards, the longer IE will be allowed to get away with its flagrant ignorance.
14:13 isolysis_ tidy seems to be the cleaner option if you want to mess around with that lila
14:13 isolysis_ ^
14:14 Denyerec If the justification of html 4.0 trans is "It makes gettng IE looking the same easier" then they're misinformed and lazy.
14:14 isolysis_ one way or another, even with xhtml gaining popularity, internet explorer is always going to screw things up it seems
14:14 Denyerec As I've never had any trouble getting IE to play ball with xh 1.0 trans
14:14 Denyerec They have mentioned that IE8 will pass Acid Test 3
14:14 ShadowHunter only css-problems ;)
14:14 Denyerec However
14:14 Denyerec they did NOT mention even a beta timeline for IE8
14:15 ShadowHunter yeah.. and IE8 will maintain IE6 compatiblity! IT SUCKS!
14:15 isolysis_ what i have found is that internet explorer is only good at one thing: rendering bad html/css code in a presentable manner, whereas the other standards compliant browsers will show you where you fudged up
14:15 Denyerec And, given that the majority of people are using pirated windows XP and thus IE6, if they don't make it a mandatory FREE update to all XP (Pirate and legitimate) then what's the point anyway
14:15 Denyerec Cos all IE7 has done is fragtment the market even more.
14:15 isolysis_ microsoft seems to be making a mistake with ie6, ie7 and now they are talking about ie8
14:16 isolysis_ too many
14:16 isolysis_ make one that works.
14:18 ShadowHunter IE is not the only browser anymore.. FF still gains popularity :D
14:19 isolysis_ i think firefox will become the dominant browser before long... IE will only be around because it will get shipped with every microsoft OS
14:20 ShadowHunter on my pages... 30% IE, 50% FF :)
14:21 ShadowHunter but companies dont install FF :(
14:24 isolysis_ guys, i move my typo3 installation over to a new server, copying over all the files etc.. but when i visit the front page i get a blank screen which is probably understandable, but accessing the install tool it says 'no input file specfied' ?
14:27 ShadowHunter cleared cache-files in typo3conf?
14:35 Schiefenorg hi di ho
14:37 isolysis_ just cleared/deleted/moved the cache files, but still same error, no input file specified. perhaps there is some directory path listed in some file somewhere?
16:12 TYPO3 hello
16:15 timdeluxe hi
16:31 skipjack Hi,
16:33 isolysis hi
16:37 timdeluxe this might become an interesting talk *g*
16:38 skipjack I have this TS line: 2.NO.stdWrap.dataWrap = <div id="item-{leveltitle:1}-{field:uid}-content"> but {leveltitle:1} is emtpy when there is no Sub-Menu activated .. can some one say me who I get "Parent-Title" of my Menue when there is no Sub-Menu activated
16:38 skipjack hehe ;) timdeluxe and we hope the talk is also usefull for me!
16:38 isolysis hey timdeluxe
16:38 isolysis :D
17:01 skipjack hmm, knows someone an solution for getiing title String with {TSFE: id} ?
18:24 skipjack oh man ..
18:24 skipjack I need a Solution
18:29 isolysis skipjack: why dont you try sending a couple of emails to the main typo3 developers, perhaps Kaspar etc?
18:30 skipjack hehe lol ;)
18:30 skipjack Because I think they have to do better things ;)
18:30 isolysis you'd be surprised, asking nicely for a little help, most people will not mind
18:32 skipjack hehe ;) it's okay, when I sit down here for 3 Days and having found an soloution I will asking the mailling list or one of the great forums
19:23 sessaid Does anyone know where I can download the API that is a available at this link http://typo3.org/fileadmin/typo3api-4.0.0/ ?
19:27 solshark sessaid: Maybe here: http://www.typo3-unleashed.net/typo3_api.html
19:33 sessaid solshark: That's what I was looking for, thanks. I haven't seen that site before.
19:34 solshark sessaid: No problem :) Happy New Year :)
19:34 sessaid solshark: Same to you :-)
19:34 sessaid And everyone else :-)

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