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00:00 tansta thanks dude i got it :)
00:21 uschi Denyerec still there?
00:21 uschi i encountered a really strange thing
00:22 uschi i have created a page or type external page with the following link: http://opac.uni-erfurt.de:8080/DB=1/LNG=DU/
00:22 uschi but somehow i am redirected to wikipedia
00:22 uschi http-protocol
00:25 uschi i suppose i should go to bed
00:26 uschi good night
00:29 bedlamhotel tansta: table: tt_content, uid: 242, field: media
00:30 bedlamhotel Whoa. NOW the screen refreshes...
00:44 tansta Belamhotel: i've already fix it :) thanks heaps
02:22 Denyerec tanst did you try that code?
03:26 Denyerec well gnight
03:26 Denyerec tansta I look forward to knowing if you made any use of that code.
03:28 tansta hehehe oay
03:28 tansta okay
03:28 tansta i might be using it very soon :)
04:50 tansta how can get the thumbgallery that Kasper's using in one of his podcast ?
05:10 Tsoots good morning
05:13 tansta afternoon
05:13 tansta :)
05:14 Tsoots that too
05:27 jsfan hi Tsoots
05:34 jsfan hm, no latin americans left now... ;-)
05:49 d|g hi all
05:52 jsfan hi d|g
05:57 d|g jsfan hi =)
06:21 MasterYin Morning
06:32 jsfan hi MasterYin
06:33 MasterYin morning jsfan
06:34 jsfan hm, not morning for me ;-)
06:40 MasterYin Where are you?
06:47 jsfan MasterYin, australia
06:48 MasterYin Its allready afternoon in your timezone am I right?
06:55 MasterYin I've got a MENU/RealURL Prob I can't solve alone...
06:55 MasterYin anybody here Eypierence with it
06:55 MasterYin ?
07:02 Jigal hi @ll
07:19 Fanty man I'm starting to dislike templavoila... anyone else having problems with TV loosing mappings at "random"?
07:23 jsfan MasterYin, it's actually more like already evening
07:23 jsfan Fanty, what is at random? no interaction at all?
07:23 Fanty editors making content.. thats all
07:23 jsfan hi Jigal
07:25 Fanty I've been forced to remap templates 4 times now. 3 of which the template had dropped a single mapping. This last time TV had dropped the entire mapping for a template and appeared as if never mapped before
07:25 Fanty it did remember the headers tough
07:36 jsfan did you change anything in the template files?
07:43 ndee hey ladies, is there a typo3 book you guys can recommend?
07:43 jsfan gotta go...
08:11 fungie hi ;-)
08:13 fungie the extension ab_linklist is not counting the hits. in the FE i get the information that the hit on the link is accepted....
08:14 fungie i found only 1 ger info in the web with this problem, but no answers...
08:16 fungie ab_linklist counts no evaluations - ab_linklist zählt keine Bewertungen
09:02 Fanty Anyone know how to transform the raw data saved from a rtehtmlarea to html? -- I have a rtehtmlarea in a flexform setting a content area for a FE extension and need to output it with my class.myext_pi1.php
09:21 Fanty and the magic function was $this->pi_RTEcssText()
10:10 ]Ak0f[ punzen!
10:36 pulponair hi there
10:38 ndee hey ladies
10:43 Fanty does typo3 have some feature for making an imagelink with a mouseover effect?
10:43 ndee anyone configured the sr_language_menu yet?
10:49 smda Fanty: image mouse rollover style? I don't know for general images with links, but with menus you use gmenu.
10:51 Fanty smda: that might be a good idea to use a menu to display those icons
10:51 Fanty think I'm going to try that
10:52 smda Fanty: then check out http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_core_tsbyex/0.0.16/view/7/5/
10:52 voidus[busy] offtopic: anyone knows free file manager for windows?
10:59 ndee voidus[busy]: like midnight commander?
11:00 voidus[busy] ndee: hm.. i did not know that there was a mc port to windows.. but there is a far manager anyway. i am looking for file manager with GUI
11:01 voidus[busy] but i think Krusader has no windows ports
11:01 ndee voidus[busy]: you don't like the normal explorer?
11:01 voidus[busy] i hate normal explorer
11:01 ndee try total commander
11:01 voidus[busy] i use total commander..
11:01 voidus[busy] but
11:01 voidus[busy] it's not free :)
11:02 ndee ah, but no gui? :D
11:02 ndee oh
11:13 neostar hello world
11:28 Ceddo Hi there everyone.
11:29 Ceddo I have a bunch of questions regarding css-styled content and menu rendering - the usual "just type away" rule applies, doesn't it?
11:32 Ceddo Question #1, "contenttable". The css-styled content plugin wraps my tables in the class #contenttable - where is that defined? It's nor in my own css files neither in typos css files. when i DO define it in my files, it has no effect (said being, an other font)
11:33 Ceddo Question #2, related to #1. I want to change the colors of tr-even tr-odd tr-last, thus helping me in working definition of #1's css would do the trick, i guess.
11:35 Ceddo Question #3. content wrapping. Any text i type into the backend is wrapped in <p> elements, and every new line is so, also. What i do want is, that they aren't wrapped, rather finished by a <br> element, so my breaks are actual breaks on the rendered page and not seperate paragraphs (resulting in lots of empty lines between intended breaks)
11:35 Ceddo Anyone helpful there..?
11:36 Ceddo Oh, and just as a slight side/question - how do i change the <li> style to "square" ? :D
11:36 Ries Ceddo: for the RTE there are settings, or you can instruct your users to do shift-enter
11:37 Ries a enter on most, if not all applications means a new paragraph, not a newline
11:37 Ceddo Where do i find those settings?
11:38 Ries Ceddo: In the RTE :) I don't know them from the top of my head, not I use them (since a enter for me means a new paragraph)
11:38 Ceddo But, let me check on shift-enter. If it does the trick, nvm the settings.
11:38 Ries to change the li to square smply use CSS
11:38 Ries shift enter, control enter.... something like that
11:39 Ceddo Question #1, "contenttable". The css-styled content plugin wraps my tables in the class #contenttable - where is that defined? It's nor in my own css files neither in typos css files. when i DO define it in my files, it has no effect (said being, an other font)
11:39 Ceddo Question #2, related to #1. I want to change the colors of tr-even tr-odd tr-last, thus helping me in working definition of #1's css would do the trick, i guess.
11:39 Ceddo *repeats questions before join of Ries*
11:39 Ries Ceddo: it's defined in typoscript
11:40 Ceddo Shift-Enter results in a new paragraph, control-enter does nothing.
11:40 Ries Ceddo: then check the manual for htmlarea.... it's quite good, although differcult to read
11:43 Ceddo I'm a bit puzzled on this one, to be true. It seems inconvenient to start a new paragraph, actually - it would make sense when i'd write longer articles, but then again, it,d help to visualize done paragraphs ...
11:43 Ceddo .. it's bugging me a little, really.
11:52 Ceddo May i buzz zou if more uggers me?
11:52 Ceddo +b
11:53 koomi decoding of ceddo failed with error code -4
11:56 Ries Ceddo: These things are a struggle for everybody, it's to flexible may be?
11:56 Ries Ceddo: But there are manuals, and it has been dicussed a lot on the mailinglists
11:58 eeos hi there. has anyone ever used the seminar plug in? I wanted to know how to switch on control against duplication, that is disallowing users to register more than once for the same event, and I cannot find it in the documentation.
11:59 pulponair ries: got a minute?
12:05 pulponair if i got 10.if.isFalse.field = subtitle why is [10.w] avaible even if subtilte is set?
12:09 dax77 hi @all
12:09 koomi Ceddo: contenttable: the clas definition are removed by css_styled_content. check the setup.txt in sysext/css.. and search for contenttable
12:09 koomi simply add your classes to the list
12:10 koomi Ceddo: paragraph thing: you can change the rte's behaviour not to wrap p's and to add <br /> on return (and not p)
12:22 eeos a philosophical topic of discussion: what do you think about the practice of modifying existing extensions, thta is of hard coding inside the classes of an existing extension your modifications?
12:33 Ries hey pulponair, sure
12:33 Ries pm?
12:33 Ries Ahh I see your q..
12:34 Ries pulponair: it might be available because TS is a configuration langauge? I assume you did a t3lib_div::print_array on that to check?
12:34 pulponair Ries: yeah
12:38 pulponair ries: check my " GIFBuilder auto width and splitchar" post at the t3-english
12:56 MasterYin Hey everyone, I have a problems for hours allready...
12:56 Denyerec Right
12:56 Denyerec I'm going to sign up to the typo3 mailling list
12:57 Denyerec on my google account
12:58 Philero hi my name is Philippe, i am french, I work with Typo3. I saw on the official site that HTMLarea is dead. So I would know if Typo3 will use his own version of htmlarea rte in next version or maybe Typo3 will use an other rte soft? (the last update of extension is done since 14.02.2007)
12:58 MasterYin I have a Menu in lvl3 of my page for the subpages of this page, no Problem so far... without using RealURL everything is okay, but starting RealUrl I got this links... domain.de/lvl4.htm and not the wanted domain.de/lvl1/lvl2/lvl3/lvl4.htm
13:00 MasterYin any ideas?
13:11 Denyerec Philero, AFAIK it uses HTMLRTE as its RTE
13:11 Denyerec It's nasty
13:11 Denyerec But it works.
13:11 Denyerec There are a couple of other RTE's you can install as extensions.
13:13 MasterYin Whats wrong with the default RTE some Hacks and it runs fine... :-)
13:15 Philero yes other rte are available as extensions but i am interesting to the default rte choosen by typo3 team
13:15 j0hndeere Good morning, earth humans.
13:16 Denyerec MasterYin, you know it's dirty :)
13:16 Philero Do you know a rte which respect the WCAG, accessibility?
13:16 Denyerec Nope.
13:17 Denyerec Wish I did though.
13:17 Denyerec I personally think the RTE should be removed, and a Markdown system implemented.
13:17 Denyerec But that's just me.
13:17 MasterYin Anybody here having Ideas for my problem?
13:18 Philero MasterYin: not me sorry
13:19 Philero Denyerec: I don't understand what is a Markdown system, can you explain me please?
13:19 Denyerec markdown
13:20 Denyerec is just simple text markup
13:20 Denyerec http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
13:20 Denyerec Nice and simple
13:20 Denyerec Stops clients doing stupid stuff.
13:20 Denyerec If I could write a "Markdown RTE" I would
13:20 Denyerec but Im not that good with javascript.
13:21 Philero ok :)
13:21 Philero thanks
13:22 Denyerec I just like it as its simple and idiots can't ruin your CSS layouts with it :)
13:25 Philero yes i agree
13:27 ndee http://suzukiv2.autoglobal.ch/index.php?id=1&L=0 <-- I'm working on the language menu at the moment. Somehow, for the default language, it doesn't take the correct title. Instead of "de", it takes "German", how can I fix that?
13:27 Philero the french cms "SPIP" use a similar system
13:27 Denyerec Philero ?
13:27 Philero but it don't make clean code yet
13:28 Philero Denyerec: Yes?
13:28 Denyerec wondered if you had more detail
13:29 Philero more details about what?
13:29 Denyerec SPIP or the system they use
13:29 Philero yes
13:29 Philero http://www.spip.net/
13:32 Philero Denyerec: sorry it is in french : http://www.pyrat.net/Raccourcis-Typographiques-de-SPIP.html
13:34 Philero an other system that interest me but there is not extension for typo3 (there is one for drupal) : http://www.pyrat.net/Raccourcis-Typographiques-de-SPIP.html
13:34 Philero oups the link was bad : http://demo.wymeditor.org/editor/editor.htm
13:36 Denyerec mmmm
13:36 Denyerec broken in opera
13:36 Philero :S
13:54 neostar I have question concerning the Modern Template Building Tutorial Part 2, on page 13 it gets to creating an extension for including nested templates. Does this still hold true to ver 4.x or is there now an integrated solution?
13:56 neostar dax77: since I see, I got my problem with the missing inline tsref solved, the install package had some missing database entries, I upgraded to 4.05 which solved the problem
13:56 dax77 ?
13:57 neostar I think we spoke about 3-4 days ago
13:57 dax77 :)
13:57 Denyerec uschi would love to know.
13:57 dax77 my brain is not so young anymore
13:59 neostar dax77: I'm living on logfiles ;-) Feb 22nd by the way :-)
13:59 Denyerec Hey dax
13:59 dax77 Hi Denyerec
13:59 Denyerec I wrote a PHP5 method for the crop cleaning
13:59 Denyerec But it's.... ugly
13:59 dax77 cool
14:00 Denyerec Most likley very computationally heavy
14:00 Denyerec uses DomDoc and SImpleXML to get what I want as I'm not that good with domDoc
14:00 Denyerec (So had to use both)
14:00 neostar anyone got an idea to my question, for MTB part 2, page 13?
14:01 neostar Denyerec: what was is with uschi, I saw her on the channel yesterday but didn't have the time to follow her thread
14:01 Denyerec She wants to have a repeatable UL as a content elements
14:02 Denyerec *element
14:02 Denyerec there's a method to create repeating elements or "sections"
14:02 Denyerec but the problem comes when you want to put LI's inside a section UL
14:02 Denyerec you need a section within a section.
14:03 Denyerec And it was causing her a serious headache.
14:03 neostar Denyerec: sounds a bit over my head atm ;)
14:03 Denyerec TO be honest it seems to me to be a fairly common task to complete.
14:04 Denyerec repeated lists
14:04 neostar Denyerec: I guess, but I'm pretty new to TYPO3, that's why. Though I really like the structured approach
14:25 ndee I start to love typo3 again
14:35 Denyerec haha ndee
14:35 Denyerec what were you working on?
14:40 solshark Hello all. I'm use freeCap and want use only digits at captcha image. I create word-list with some digits, but it's isn't show on image.
14:41 ndee Denyerec: I finally figured out today, how to make an own extension and put it on everypage, so you don't have to link it manually on every page :D
14:41 ndee with Templavoila etc.
14:41 ndee I know, that might be something simple for most of you guys but for me, that's an enormous step :D
14:43 roelof dax77, a while ago i asked you for a extentension for pagionatoin, do you still know the name ?
14:44 dax77 :) yes
14:45 roelof can you tell me one more time what the name is ?
14:50 dax77 roelof: cag_pagebrowser
14:52 Denyerec Haha
14:52 Denyerec :)
14:52 voidus[busy] what is a difference between dam_ttnews and news_dam_con ?
15:14 eeos 2 questions: (1) where do you find documentation on flexforms?
15:17 eeos (2) how do you read the docbook version of documentation?
15:29 pulponair does anyone got a snippet/link regarding "nested foldouts whitout lose of rollover state "arround ?
15:31 FabianFabian- is it possible to somehow have pageTSconfig settings linked to a template record?
15:33 eeos does anyone know where do you find documentation on flexforms?
15:35 eeos I found references to core api, but (1) cannot open the manual because openoffice keeps crashing (2) the html file does no seem to have references to flex forms
15:36 pulponair eeos: have a look at the t3 wiki
15:36 pulponair eeos: what kind of information are you looking for excatly?
15:36 eeos pulponair read about flexforms
15:37 eeos pulponair why the manual.sxw keep making my openoffice crash?
15:37 eeos it is very annoying.
15:37 pulponair eeos: update your openoffice to the most recent version....
15:37 pulponair eeos: some manuels are broken btw
15:38 pulponair eh manuals ;)
15:38 eeos pulponair it is the most recent version
15:38 eeos :(
15:38 eeos pulponair how do you read the docbook versio?
15:38 pulponair eeos: eh sorry?
15:40 eeos pulponair you know the docbook version of the manuals? how do you read them? what software package do you use to read them?
15:41 pulponair eeos: i eighter read the openoffice version or the pdf
15:42 eeos pulponair pdf? there is no such thing, as far as I can see!
15:42 pulponair eeos: about what extension are we talking?
15:43 eeos typo3 core api
15:43 pulponair ah ok
15:43 pulponair eeos:try the html version
15:45 dasmZ hi pulponair, how did it go with the a <xxx> img tag issue yesterday? solved it?
15:45 pulponair dasmZ:yes
15:46 smda pulponair: great. how did you do it then? :)
15:47 pulponair dasmZ: got 3 solutions furthermore i wrote a small extension which adds stdwrap to the moste inner thing of a gmenu item. http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/nh_gmenu_plus/0.1.0/
15:48 pulponair smda: this can also be solved by using a tmenu and before/after image but this construction because very complex and isnt fully aware of rollovers ..same to a nolink=1 solution i tried
15:49 smda ah. k. a bit odd that there where no stdwrap there already. a bit expected to be there right
15:49 smda thanks for sharing
15:50 pulponair smda: np ;) try it and gimme feedback
15:51 pulponair smda: as mentioned before there is a solution which doesnt need an ext. but it isnt aware of rollovers
15:52 smda yeah, and mostly when using gmenu you want the RO so its a pity.
15:52 pulponair smda: and anotherone using a tmenu and adding images by hand but this one is also pretty annoying. so i thing the easiest way ist to use the extension since it is pretty small and quite straight forward
15:54 pulponair smda: i included a small manual ...so you could have i look on how to use the ext
15:58 smda pulponair: hehe.. the manual is 5 times larger then the actual extension. sweet :)
16:01 pulponair smda: yes that is because i am such a nice guy ;)
16:05 Denyerec Do any of you people work with dropdown / flyout menus ?
16:07 smda Denyerec: only html based, but maybe that's what you mean?
16:07 Denyerec Yeah
16:07 Denyerec like the ones here:
16:07 Denyerec http://www.noritsuwebkiosk.com
16:09 smda Denyerec: I think Ries had a very nice example of dropdown menu on his site that I used..
16:10 smda Comes out like this http://www.kostalinne.se/index.php?id=16&L=1
16:11 Denyerec I am just finding out what people use
16:11 Denyerec See theres an issue with every dropdown, where FORM elements will hover above the item
16:12 smda I had some probs with flash on that site at first
16:13 m4rtijn hey
16:13 smda ohla bandola
16:14 m4rtijn I have a small problem with tt_products.. On the normal product List it doesnt show the product image..
16:15 m4rtijn I used the following code: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/extension-manuals/tut_ttproducts_de/0.0.6/view/1/11/
16:16 m4rtijn the "missing image" icon is shown only less then a second.. then it disappears and nothing is shown
16:16 m4rtijn in the single view it works fine.. the image is shown
16:17 m4rtijn im not sure if its the 'missing image' icon or smth else that is shown..
16:22 Irix I have a small problem.. I want to show the date and time on each content in a page.. I have therefore created temp.date_content which get the crdate... my problem is that I can't remember to wrap this properly around tt_content
16:29 m4rtijn why dont u use an html template and set a ###date### marker in the footer.. then use typoscript to fill it?
16:37 Denyerec OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
16:37 dax77 hehe :)
16:37 dax77 re
16:37 Denyerec Wassup
16:37 dax77 felt like it
16:39 dax77 [15:52] "Denyerec shakes Dax"
16:39 Denyerec Good call :)
16:39 Denyerec don't make me set fire to the carpet.
16:39 dax77 hehe
16:46 Irix m4rtijn its all the content in the page not the page in itself
16:47 Irix :)
16:50 eeos hi there.
16:50 eeos is there ay document around explaining what are flexforms and how do they work? I have read FTB and am using TYPO3 core api, but do not really undestand.
16:51 Denyerec flexforms scare me
16:51 eeos Denyerec +1
16:52 Denyerec Denyerec++ even
16:52 Denyerec I think the total is much higher ;)
16:52 eeos the problem is there is not a single page of documentation explaining what they really are. :(
16:53 Irix not even the extension documents ?
16:54 ndee eeos: http://www.ndee.ch/typo3/2006/10/17/flexforms-in-your-own-frontend-plugin/
16:54 ndee that might help a little bit ;)
16:54 eeos well, that is not referenced anywhere.
16:54 eeos FTB explicitly says to use core api.
16:54 eeos :(:(:(:(
16:55 eeos and the core api manual is broken, so you have to do a double smersault to open it.
16:55 eeos :(:(::(
16:55 eeos ndee it does not relly explain you what flexforms are.
16:56 eeos but thaaaaanks anyway. better than nothing.
16:57 eeos does that help anyone http://www.flexform.it/?
17:01 ndee eeos: nope, not really, just how to use some of it in your own extension, did you check out the wiki link?
17:01 ndee http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Extension_Development,_using_Flexforms
17:02 ndee so far as I understand it, flexforms for an extension is a better way to store settings but don't quote me on that ;)
17:02 eeos ndee yes, but it was not very helpful
17:03 ndee so if you need to configure something, you can do that in the flexform, rather than hardcode it in the extension or in another configuration file in the extension directory.
17:04 ndee|afk later
17:27 j0hndeere huh
17:27 j0hndeere OK, n00b stuff... I try to import extensions... nothing happens... returns a blank screen
17:27 j0hndeere troubleshooting, anyone?
17:32 Denyerec Yeah
17:32 Denyerec PHP version.
17:32 Denyerec which one you on
17:36 uschi hi folks :))
17:36 andreasbalzer hi uschi :)
17:36 uschi i just had bad news in the tv-newsgroup
17:37 uschi hi andreasbalzer , Denyerec and Ries and Boonkerz and dax77
17:37 Denyerec hey uschi
17:37 dax77 hi uschi :)
17:37 Denyerec Whats the bad news?
17:37 Denyerec :
17:37 Denyerec :/
17:37 Denyerec OH WAIT
17:37 Denyerec I signed to the mailling list.
17:37 uschi Dimitry Dupelov answered
17:37 Boonkerz which news?
17:37 Boonkerz hi
17:37 uschi Typo3 does not allow section as a direct child of section
17:39 uschi and even dimitry has no idea how to solve the problem *sniff*
17:40 uschi so i have to find a workaround
17:41 uschi is there a ts-way to show the content-elements of one page?
17:42 j0hndeere Denyerec: we're running PHP5
17:43 j0hndeere in fact, this install's on the same server as several other installs that worked fine in this regard... I suspect something in the install is causing it
17:43 uschi in another content-element?
17:44 Denyerec Which version of php5
17:44 Denyerec ohh
17:44 Denyerec new version of tt_news ?
17:46 uschi i saw it this morning
17:47 Denyerec uschi what was your bad news?
17:47 uschi that it seems to be impossible what i want
17:47 uschi if even dimitry is not sure how to do it
17:47 Denyerec I am guessing dmitry is a TV expert?
17:48 uschi he is the main developer meanwhile
17:48 uschi so he knows the ins and outs of tv by heart
17:48 uschi it is not the fault of tv by the way, but of typo3 itself
17:49 j0hndeere actually... there's not even any button for connecting to online repository... hmm
17:50 Denyerec :(
17:50 Boonkerz uschi, i think robert lemke is the main dev from TV
17:50 uschi yes, but dimitry does a lot of development because robert has no time
17:50 j0hndeere well... there's the retrieve/update... but it doesn't do anything
17:54 Denyerec Hey chaps
17:54 Denyerec Is there a way to replicate content from a remote site?
17:54 Denyerec Say I have a central site...
17:54 Denyerec Is there a way to hook other sites pages or content elements to this remote site, so they mirror the content and monitor for changes?
17:54 Denyerec I notice there's an extension called tt_news_replicator that does that for tt_news
17:54 Denyerec But one for normal content would be *huge*
17:55 Denyerec where huge == good
17:56 a7p mpf, why can't TYPO3 be written in python? *seufz*
17:56 Denyerec Go play with Drool
17:56 Denyerec or whatever that Python framework's called
17:56 Denyerec Django
17:56 Denyerec :)
17:57 Denyerec ALllllllllllllso, can anyone tell me what has happened to this man's typo installation:
17:57 a7p but T3 is soo kewl
17:57 Denyerec http://typo3.org/index.php?eID=tx_cms_showpic&file=typo3temp%2Ftx_terdoc%2Fdocumentscache%2Fl%2Fa%2Flab_newsfolders-0.0.3%2Fdocbook%2Fpictures%2F10000000000003330000022EB9FD63DA.jpg&width=1024m&height=800&bodyTag=%3Cbody%20style%3D%22margin%3A%200%3B%20background%3A%20%23FFFFFF%3B%22%3E&wrap=%3Ca%20href%3D%22javascript%3Aclose%28%29%3B%22%3E%20%7C%20%3C%2Fa%3E&md5=7fec6a7afa3ebcd4fb5a6e2c1fede227
17:57 Denyerec WOWZER
17:57 Denyerec that's a URL and a half
17:57 a7p and I like Kaspars Podcasts *g*
17:57 Denyerec he appears to have some neat toolbar at the top
17:57 Denyerec saving him space.
17:57 uschi so do i, a7p
17:58 Denyerec I've watched a lot of the podcasts, Kasper's quite an inspirational guy
17:59 uschi a7p, can you tell me where you get the code listings for some of those podcasts?
17:59 uschi kasper says, they exist, and i am interested in one or the other
17:59 a7p uschi, no, I cannot ... never looked for them.
18:00 Denyerec Ar eyou looking at the same podcasts as me ?
18:00 Denyerec Things like "Update your site bob" and such ?
18:00 uschi yes, just downloading it
18:00 Denyerec Hey dasmZ - quick Q for you
18:00 Denyerec dasmZ ? ffs
18:00 Denyerec dax77
18:01 uschi it is in the tv-podcast that he says it
18:01 dax77 dasmZ?
18:01 uschi What's wrong with those podcasts for you
18:01 Denyerec Tab cheated you
18:01 dax77 ts ts ;)
18:01 Denyerec hhe
18:01 uschi his keyboard is drunken, dax77
18:01 Denyerec Dax do you know of any extensions that allow content elements to update automatically from a centralised store?
18:01 dax77 I've been created by a tab *lol*
18:02 Denyerec EG having a whole bunch of franchise websites, that update their content based on a master site
18:02 dax77 Denyerec: nope, sorry
18:02 uschi well this is something not everyone can say about himself, dax77
18:02 dax77 Denyerec: if you have all websites in one tree I have a soltion for you
18:02 Denyerec references?
18:02 dax77 solution
18:03 dax77 correct
18:03 Denyerec INdeed
18:03 Denyerec Perhaps the solution for multiple franchised websites is to do just that.
18:03 dax77 tv offers that to you
18:03 Denyerec ?
18:03 dax77 templavoila
18:16 Denyerec How does TV explicitly offer that to me ?
18:17 Denyerec Sorry, but I have never used anything other than TV, so I don't know what's TV features and what isn't!!
18:23 Denyerec http://www.ess-erfurt.de/typo3_org/typo3firstpage.png
18:24 Denyerec What BE interface is this?
18:24 Denyerec I demand to know!!
18:24 andreasbalzer Deyerec: It's a working skin by Lasse Norby
18:24 andreasbalzer it was never published, because it's using heavy XCLASS
18:24 andreasbalzer and it's somewhere in the design mailinglist
18:25 Denyerec Man
18:25 Denyerec it looks 100x better than the current one.
18:25 andreasbalzer and it won't find its way into T3 i guess..
18:25 andreasbalzer but you might see the future of T3 in the hci list
18:25 Denyerec :(
18:26 andreasbalzer there's a pdf with many many possible skin options for 5.0
18:26 Denyerec Are there any current BE interface options for 4.x ?
18:26 andreasbalzer and those skin will blow you away :D
18:26 andreasbalzer yes
18:26 Denyerec I saw one with themenu at the top.
18:26 Denyerec this would save screen width, which is good
18:26 Denyerec Got the names of some good ones on the Ext manager?
18:26 andreasbalzer you might want to test 4.1 RC1 and have a look at kaspers dashboard extension
18:26 andreasbalzer or you can use Tapio's skin_grey
18:29 Denyerec dashboard extension
18:29 Denyerec I'm on 4.1 RC2
18:30 andreasbalzer ah ok. there's a dashboard ext by Kasper somewhere around and you might want to have a look at dev list too. There's an ajax tab menu interface
18:30 Denyerec Crumbs
18:30 Denyerec how many mailling lists do I have to be on?! :)
18:30 andreasbalzer dev
18:30 andreasbalzer design
18:30 andreasbalzer hci
18:30 andreasbalzer english
18:30 andreasbalzer german
18:30 andreasbalzer tt_news
18:30 andreasbalzer calendar
18:30 Denyerec screw German, can't speak a word of it.
18:31 andreasbalzer typo3 5...
18:31 andreasbalzer ...
18:31 andreasbalzer so i'm basically on nearly every mailinglist..
18:31 Denyerec Mein Deutsche ist shreklich
18:31 Denyerec or... something.
18:31 andreasbalzer shreklich --> schrecklich ;)
18:34 Denyerec Told you ;)
18:34 Denyerec Do you happen to know the name of kaspers extension ?
18:34 Denyerec I can't seem to find it.
18:35 voidus[busy] which extension?
18:35 Denyerec Dashboard?
18:35 Denyerec I'm looking for a horizontal BE menu
18:35 Denyerec I saw one earlier and can't find out what it was.
18:35 Denyerec :(
18:35 Denyerec http://www.ess-erfurt.de/typo3_org/typo3firstpage.png
18:36 Denyerec Then I saw this
18:36 Denyerec and andreas tells me its not available :(
18:38 andreasbalzer Denyerec: but currently dashboard is far away from beeing a useful ext ;)
18:39 Denyerec DOh.
18:39 andreasbalzer if you only want to use tab menus (and can live with an other skin), use skin_grey
18:39 Denyerec Mmm, I was rather hoping that I could get the menu without the rest of the skin :/
18:39 Denyerec I don't like Skin Grey at all
18:43 Denyerec hmpf hmpf hmpf.
18:43 andreasbalzer Denyerec: It's still beta, but http://t3.mcuadros.es/typo3/
18:43 andreasbalzer User: typo3-dev
18:43 andreasbalzer Password: typo3-dev
18:43 Denyerec So many examples of cool BE interfaces I see.
18:44 andreasbalzer and then click on Web (V. Dojo module)
18:44 Denyerec OK
18:44 Denyerec wowzers
18:45 Denyerec yeah thats wankered in Opera.
18:45 andreasbalzer the problem is, that tabbed menu is still something new which has to be explored and tested.. but it will definitly find its way into T3 in terms of usuability
18:54 Denyerec Hmm.
18:55 Denyerec Well it doesn't bother me *personally*, but it'd make selling to clients much easier if the BE looked prettier :D
18:55 Denyerec Seems it's pretty hard to get involved with Typo5 development too...
18:55 andreasbalzer no.. not really
18:55 Denyerec Not that I could be of much use right now I don't think, my coding sucks pretty hrad.
18:55 Denyerec *hard
18:56 Denyerec and I don't understand the majority of concepts they talk about
18:56 andreasbalzer e.g. it's very simple to join the hci team and the design team..
18:56 andreasbalzer (e.g. skin team)
18:59 johnd0e hi everyone
19:02 johnd0e I'm looking for a way to hide part of the pagetree from a BE user group. all BE groups are based on a base BE group. a subgroup of this base group must not see one part of the pagetree. any ideas/hints on how to accomplish that?
19:02 johnd0e any help would be greatly appreciated
19:06 Denyerec andreasbalzer I don't see a design mailling list.
19:14 dasmZ Denyerec: so you didn't really want me anything? :(
19:14 dasmZ I thought I was select. a chosen one.
19:14 Denyerec Well
19:15 Denyerec unless you know an extension that can allow sites to accept "Pushed" or updated content from a master site?
19:15 Denyerec So a bunch of franchises could have centrally administered content, or choose to "break loose" and write their own pages if they wanted.
19:16 dasmZ eh.. that's like typical setup with TV and localization?
19:17 dasmZ I've done that having english as default and other languages as alternatives. and using fallback against default. While on pages not available in default checked as "hide defaul bla bla.."
19:17 dasmZ maybe that's not waterproof enough?
19:18 smda ah.. myself again. better..
19:18 smda it's a bit wierd when the other me comes out. no control over him
19:20 smda Denyerec: btw did you find the design list? it's there, but sadly inactive.. last post is 10 of january and before that 11 of december :(
19:20 Denyerec No I didn't smda, it wasn't listd on the typo3 site.
19:20 Denyerec Maybe the discussions have moved to hci ?
19:21 smda yeah. could be
19:21 Denyerec Also I don't know if you understand me
19:21 Denyerec or if I don't understand you.
19:21 Denyerec Imagine McDonalds using Typo3
19:21 Denyerec They have a central website
19:21 Denyerec and lots of franchises.
19:21 Denyerec so the franchise site gets a new Typo3 site on their own space.
19:21 Denyerec And the content is linked "live" to the main site.
19:21 Denyerec If the main site update, so does the franchise site.
19:22 smda aha. I see now. then I'm totaly off topic ;)
19:22 Denyerec But at any point the franchise can "Break loose" and turn off the update creating a local copy they can then update themselves.
19:22 Denyerec Now of course if all the sites exist within the same pagetree this is possible
19:22 Denyerec BUT I don't think Typo3 could support 300 franchise websites in the same pagetree
19:22 Denyerec I'm sure it would choke and die.
19:23 Denyerec I sure as hell wouldn't want to log in as admin!! :)
19:23 smda :D now way
19:24 Denyerec Indeed.
19:24 Denyerec So I'm basically talking about some kind of remote page/content element reference
19:26 smda on the other hand I guess the 300 franchise websites would probably as you say use same tree for everyone apart from just a few pages.. that wouldn't probably be more than a couple of thousand unique pages aprox :)
19:28 Denyerec It would still be insane.
19:28 smda for sure ;)
19:28 Denyerec inserting a content element into the franchise site that connects to the master page to check for updates would be cool.
19:28 Denyerec or insert a page of type "remote page"
19:28 Denyerec which would copy the page from the master site.
19:28 smda m. sounds like a delicous issue to solve
19:29 Denyerec a t3x export could be used to wrap up the page.
19:31 smda hmm.. but.. - I'm on deep water now, extending my limited t3 knowledge, but .. you can have multiple websites in one installation right? and you can do soft refererenses of contents I think? (thinking of the old way of doing localization).
19:31 smda Then wouldn't it be possible to build it that way? (in some extends..)
19:31 Denyerec multiple sites can reference the same T3 source
19:32 Denyerec but each site would have its own DB
19:32 Denyerec *unless* you put all the sites in the same tree
19:32 Denyerec Which we already decided would be madness.
19:32 smda yeah. thought they didn't have to be in the same tree
19:43 smda hm.. Denyerec I think having all in one tree is doable? I mean, the only one that would ever have access to the entire tree is the SA and that could of benifits having every site on the same place, while the other site admins would only have access to the main site plus their own extra parts..? It would be sad if a ~2000 pages would be a performance issue for T3.
19:43 Denyerec True.
19:44 Denyerec Franchise owners then would not need their own websites / hosting.
19:44 smda exactly. and the company group sa has total control over information,security,visual id etc..
19:46 smda well.. good luck with it whatever you go for. cya
20:06 FutureCrash hi
20:08 FutureCrash I have a question about creating a hierarchical menu: I have 2 levels and now I want that when the user clicks on one element of the first level that the elements of the second level appear but that the elements of the first level disappear. how is it possible to make the elements of the first level disappear?
21:15 jpk Hi guys.
21:15 jpk Is there any way to convice Typo3 to generate Carriage Returns after list items in TMENUs?
21:15 jpk Right now all wrapped items appear in one large row.
21:15 jpk This is hard to read and debug...
21:25 bedlamhotel jpk: you can set up 'tidy' in the install tool (which will format source code). There are also a couple of 'tidy' extensions in the TER.
21:34 jpk bedlamhotel: Thanks will have a look at that!
21:40 jpk yeah that was it. Helped a lot. Thanks!
21:47 j0hndeere #$^*)@%(@#$#*
21:47 j0hndeere what the heck is wrong here
21:49 j0hndeere Here we go again.
21:49 j0hndeere <censored> you and everything you stand for, peer.
21:50 j0hndeere welcome back, Ries.
21:53 Denyerec JPK
21:53 Denyerec It'll be something to do with \n
22:01 Denyerec Generating accessible menus with Typo3 is mad.
22:01 Denyerec Trying to insert accesskeys and failling very badly
22:07 hagus Why is it that this channel has so many nicks but nobody speaks?
22:08 j0hndeere it's not really a chatroom
22:08 hagus :)
22:08 j0hndeere people ask TYPO3 questions and, if they're lucky, someone answers them
22:08 j0hndeere I just sit here to absorb TYPO3 wisdom
22:08 hagus lol
22:10 hagus From my experiments with 4.1, although it works a little better with php5.2, it still does not do things like allow me to clear the two caches.
22:11 hagus I have typo3 on two different sites - one where the php version is lower than 5.2 and the other where the php is 5.2
22:11 hagus The pre php5.2 site works grand even with 4.0 whatever it is.
22:12 hagus I just hope that the php5.2 people or the typo3 people or both will hurry up and fix whatever the glitches are between the two things.
22:15 hagus I have been giving WordPress a try and I find it easy to work with but typo3 is still way out ahead.
22:16 hagus Guess WordPress was not intended to be a CMS even though it has some CMS like features.
22:16 hagus So, maybe comparing the two is not fair.
22:16 smda not really :)
22:22 hagus I was asked to reproduce an existing typo3 site at a location hosted by folk who installed php5.2 a couple of months ago. As the site to be ported was fairly small, I elected to use WordPress to recreate something that looked comparable to the original.
22:22 hagus I tried using their fantastico version of typo3 but the two cache options at the bottom left of the typo3 screen were not allowed :(
22:23 hagus So, I resorted to what I reckon was the fastest fix until things advance more either on the typo3 front or on the php front :)
22:26 hagus Well, enough of my monologue! Time for me to think about heading for my scratcher.
22:27 tansta i heard Kasper has made a gallery extensions call thumbgallery, is it release yet ?
22:29 hagus I do not know, tansta - sorry.
22:30 hagus When I do a google search for it - it comes up with all kinds of unsavoury links :(
22:30 tansta hagus: its was demonstrated in one of his podcast
22:30 hagus ah :)
22:30 tansta :)
22:38 ndee how can I get the current sys_language_uid in my own extension?
22:42 smda ndee: something like $GLOBALS['TSFE']->sys_language_uid
22:44 ndee smda: found it :D
22:44 smda good :)
22:46 ndee do you also know how I can make in my own extension a form with GET-variables? When I have an element like <select name="tx_dealersearch_pi1[city]">, it won't show correct after I have submited the form
22:46 ndee it will break the braces
22:59 jsfan hello everybody :)))
22:59 jsfan tansta, Ries and gerards all here?
22:59 tansta jsfan: i haven't seen them say anything
23:00 jsfan tansta, ok. :)
23:00 tansta cool :)
23:00 jsfan no latin americans today, it seems... ;-)
23:00 tansta nope...
23:01 jsfan so we might be all aussie ;-)
23:01 jsfan Denyerec, you here?
23:02 tansta yes yes, we aussies are taking over the world
23:02 tansta Die Denyerec Die...
23:02 tansta muuhhahahaaha
23:02 tansta kill the poms
23:03 tansta hehehe...damn he was just here 2 mins ago
23:07 Ries Hey jsfan
23:07 Ries I am...
23:08 jsfan hey Ries
23:08 Ries gerard left 1 hour ago (from my house)
23:08 jsfan seen the thread on search optimisations on dev?
23:10 Ries yes
23:10 jsfan what do you think?
23:11 jsfan the dbal stuff is a fair comment, i reckon...
23:11 Ries I am thinking how I can install my own LaTeX fonts....
23:11 Ries jsfan: I think that typo3 needs database drivers rather then DBAL....
23:11 tansta what thread ? how come i dont see any ?
23:12 jsfan ries, hm, might be a good idea, too. but would it make this particular problem any easier?
23:12 tansta oh now i see :)
23:25 tansta does anybody know if pb_survey are able to sent the survey result to an email after someone has fill it out ?
23:26 Ries jsfan: Well, you asked what I thought....
23:34 Denyerec jsfan
23:35 Denyerec I am back
23:35 Denyerec did you want something ?
23:35 jsfan Ries, but do you think it would help with this problem?
23:35 jsfan Denyerec, i was only wondering if you were here.
23:41 Ries jsfan: I think it would help... indexed search sux anyways and anything to improve it it will help
23:42 jsfan yes, but with a driver you would still have to find a generic api that's common to all drivers. which would make you unable to use some mysql features.
23:43 tansta hehehe
23:43 tansta i need a new job
23:43 tansta i am sick of my job
23:43 tansta :(
23:43 Fab1an- is there anything around better than tt_products?
23:43 tansta osCommerce ? :)
23:52 Denyerec Cubecart? :)
23:52 Denyerec Ries
23:53 Denyerec you never answered me the other night about how to integrate that search system you were talking about with a typo site
23:53 Ries jsfan: The driver should encapsulate the features underlaying object provides
23:53 Ries jsfan: one of the functions could be search...
23:54 Ries then the undelraying drivers knows how to perform it

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