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00:00 Denyerec item.wrap = <h2> {LLL:fileadmin/lang/locallang_common_website_values.xml:main_menu} </h2> |
00:00 Denyerec ?
00:00 gerards s/wrap/dataWrap/
00:00 Denyerec no gerards - I am dealing only with a .wrap
00:00 Denyerec or are you saying i should swap .wrap with .dataWrap
00:00 Denyerec ?
00:00 gerards yep
00:00 Denyerec Ah
00:01 Denyerec Not that they want the site translated (I don't think)
00:01 gerards i assume item has stdWrap methods.
00:01 Denyerec ugh
00:01 Denyerec I don't know
00:01 Denyerec it's a tv object path
00:01 Denyerec ts op
00:01 Denyerec TSOP
00:01 uschi yes, mine to
00:01 gerards yeah but if its a TSOP u need to tell it, TSOP = TEXT.
00:01 uschi why can't you do it with the value and then have a wrap?
00:01 gerards or HTML
00:01 gerards or whatever.
00:02 bedlamhotel http://phpfi.com/215664
00:02 Denyerec this is what I have right now
00:02 uschi Denyerec remember my TS snippet there?
00:02 Denyerec http://phpfi.com/215665
00:02 Denyerec yes
00:02 Denyerec blah.value = {LLL: stuff }
00:03 uschi right, but it was
00:03 uschi lib.wac_something = TEXT
00:03 uschi lib.wac_something.value = LLL: stuff
00:03 Denyerec Hmmm
00:03 uschi i did not need a wrap, because i mapped inner
00:04 Denyerec So my question is, how do I get it into a wrap?
00:04 uschi if you mapped outer, just one more line
00:04 Denyerec maybe I just do tsop.5 = TEXT
00:04 Denyerec ?
00:04 Denyerec but then that would require the TSOP to be a COA right ?
00:04 uschi no
00:04 uschi lib.wac_something.wrap = <h2>|</h2>
00:04 uschi and thats it
00:04 Denyerec Yes
00:04 Denyerec but in my case wac_something is already full of images
00:05 Denyerec Sorry, I had not explained that very well
00:05 uschi ah, ok, then 5 = TEXT
00:05 uschi 5.value = LLL
00:05 Denyerec need to make it a TSOP 1st tho.. let me paste
00:06 uschi hurry up, i have to go to bed
00:06 Denyerec like so: http://phpfi.com/215666
00:06 Denyerec ?
00:07 uschi yes :-))
00:07 uschi stop
00:07 uschi mistake
00:07 uschi tv.Sponsors.5 = TEXT
00:08 uschi tv.Sponsors.5.value = {LLL...}
00:08 uschi tv.Sponsors.5.wrap = <h2>|</h2>
00:08 uschi Denyerec, you read me?
00:08 Denyerec Ummmm
00:08 Denyerec that looks a LOT like mine
00:08 uschi important different
00:08 Denyerec or are you saying I don't need the COA?
00:08 uschi the 5!!!!
00:09 Denyerec ANHHHHHHH
00:09 Denyerec BLimey
00:09 Denyerec I think I'm the one who needs to go to bed :)
00:09 uschi no we both have to
00:09 Denyerec You are clearly more awake than me!! :)
00:09 uschi no, because i cannot get my stuff ready
00:09 uschi i do not know in which obect path i am by now
00:11 uschi and i need to a calculation again
00:11 ndee when I'm in my extension, how can I get the path to my current extension?
00:11 ndee I don't want to hardcode it somehow
00:11 ndee it just seems ugly
00:12 Denyerec I am sure you shouldn't have to
00:12 Denyerec Ries would surely know.
00:12 Denyerec Ries !
00:12 Denyerec Rie1 !
00:12 uschi Rie1 he is
00:12 ndee he knows everything :D
00:13 Denyerec gerards is Robin
00:13 uschi ok, i will do catwoman
00:13 Denyerec Meeeeeooooow.
00:13 Denyerec :)
00:13 Denyerec Is that the sound German cats make ?
00:13 uschi in german she does miiiiiauuuuuuuuuu
00:14 Denyerec I found it amusing at school that in textbooks French dogs go "ouuah ouuah"
00:14 uschi shall we make that one a common website value?
00:14 Denyerec :D
00:14 Denyerec cat_noise
00:14 uschi right
00:14 Denyerec hehe
00:15 uschi would be funny as an example
00:15 uschi you take the images of those animals
00:15 uschi and then i18n the noises
00:15 uschi wonder what it looks and sounds like in chinese
00:16 ndee a lion would LOOOOOOOOOOOAL
00:16 uschi lol
00:17 uschi anyway i will go to bed now
00:17 uschi have to get up at seven which is in 5.5 hours
00:17 ndee good night uschi!
00:18 Denyerec :(
00:18 Denyerec Gnight uschi, sleep well!
00:18 Denyerec (And thanks for that excellent LLL snippet!)
00:19 ndee going to bed too
00:19 ndee night!
00:23 uschi night
00:26 Denyerec There was a shooting at my university last week :/
00:26 Denyerec And it turns out the victim was a friend of mine from KungFu :/
00:27 Denyerec He is alive, and now out of intensive care, but it's still crappy.
00:33 gerards goodness. Denyerec does that happen often?
00:33 Denyerec no
00:33 Denyerec first one in the UK
00:33 Denyerec at a Students Union
00:33 gerards are you still in that uni?
00:33 Denyerec there was a live music event, and "outsiders" from Nottingham (A notoriously dangerous gun-happy drug city) came in
00:34 Denyerec they let off CS canisters and one guy opened fire
00:34 gerards man.
00:34 Denyerec my friend was caught trying to get away, I think the shooter wanted to hit some other drug dealer
00:34 Denyerec and my friend caught a stray shot in the back
00:34 gerards man
00:35 Denyerec aye
00:35 Denyerec sent shockwaves around the place, I can tell you
00:35 gerards for sure.
00:35 Denyerec I am no longer a student there, but I take the kungfu classes
00:35 Denyerec I instruct there when the main instructor isn't present.
00:36 gerards were the gunmen caught?
00:39 tansta morning guys
00:39 tansta does anyone have any idea what could cause this error ?
00:39 tansta Warning: move_uploaded_file() [function.move-uploaded-file]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/tmp/php_upload/phpBPnL64) is not within the allowed path(s) in /Users/<removed>/mar/marcos-style.com/public/www/t3lib/class.t3lib_div.php on line 3416
00:40 xracer good evening everyone
00:41 xracer can someone provide me with some help on where to templates for typo3?
00:43 voidus Denyerec: terrible incident(
00:43 Denyerec Yer man
00:43 xracer i am new to Typo and started creating a new page but when i try to view the page itgives me an error "No Template available"
00:43 Denyerec Drug dealing cunts
00:44 Denyerec xracer - you may not have created a template.
00:44 Denyerec and if you HAVE, you might not have assigned it to your root page.
00:44 xracer I have been reading the tutorials but maybe I am not up to that area yet
00:44 xracer i saw tha templates area and there is nothing there
00:45 Denyerec Then the error message looks prett correct ;)
00:46 xracer lol well of course :P
00:46 xracer so i was looking into it and i have no clue how to create one
00:46 xracer :P
00:46 Denyerec On the template page
00:46 xracer yup
00:46 Denyerec there should be a link to "create a new template"
00:47 voidus Denyerec: was gunmen caught?
00:47 Denyerec They have a man who has been released on bail
00:47 Denyerec so I don't know if they have the right guy
00:47 xracer yeah in there also but should i sue htm or lo well i guess i created a template!!!! with nothingin it just the title of the page
00:47 Denyerec cos they wouldn't release a gunman on bail
00:48 Denyerec Ok, well it's a start
00:48 Denyerec xracer are you following the Futuristic Template Building tutorial ?
00:48 xracer lol well that was way down the tutorial so i figure i won't need it until i get to that point
00:48 Denyerec Indeed ;)
00:49 Denyerec Stick to the FTB tutorial and you won't go too far wrong.
00:49 tansta Warning: move_uploaded_file() [function.move-uploaded-file]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/tmp/php_upload/phpBPnL64) is not within the allowed path(s) in /Users/<removed>/mar/marcos-style.com/public/www/t3lib/class.t3lib_div.php on line 3416
00:49 tansta any idea what's causing the problem ?
00:49 voidus tansta: php misconfiguration?
00:50 xracer lol..... sort of counter productive, you can create everything but can't see it until you have a template, However we will not teach you how to create a template until chapter 7 so jsut bite the bullet
00:50 tansta voidus: what's the right config ?
00:50 voidus tansta: dunno...
00:50 xracer but i guess is a good way to make you work a little :P
00:51 tansta hehehe okay
00:51 tansta hmmm...
00:51 voidus tansta: warning just says that php cannot access file inside /tmp
00:51 voidus maybe php cannot enough rights for doing that
00:51 voidus *don't have
00:52 Denyerec Yeha xracer, I thought that at first!!
00:52 Denyerec But when you know what you're doing, you can upload your template earlier on
00:52 Denyerec so at least you can see your markup :)
00:52 Denyerec that's the stage http://wla.systemcms.com is at right now
00:52 Denyerec tansta - have you googled for open_basedir errors ?
00:53 xracer hahahaha... i can defenetly see your point :)
00:53 Denyerec I think it's something to do with the directories in which PHP is allowed to execute code if you're in safemode.
00:53 Denyerec that site is just the HTML markup and no Typo
00:53 Denyerec well, a tiny bit of testing, but nothing much
00:54 xracer so i guess i better get cracking on the teamplate buidling, now one question can i create a file in dreamweaver and then import it to Typo?
00:55 xracer of course by import i mean copy paste the code
00:57 Denyerec the HTML yes
00:57 Denyerec but try and avoid table based markup
00:57 Denyerec it just causes pain elsewhere.
00:59 voidus xracer: you just get file from dreamweaver and upload it to server. typo3 does not modify source file, but build an TO/DS based on this file
01:00 xracer hmmm.... i guess I will have to see where i fall in
01:02 Denyerec If I can do it, you can!!
01:05 xracer lol well i better get craking it seems have a few tutorials to read
01:06 xracer thank you very much to everyone i will probably com in here more often
01:06 Denyerec Idle her
01:06 Denyerec e
01:06 Denyerec best way
01:06 Denyerec then you don't miss things
01:06 Denyerec and it doesn't look lik eyou're just coming in, taking, and leaving :)
01:07 xracer well that is a good idea also I will stay in :)
01:07 Denyerec (even if that's what you are doing :))
01:07 xracer lol
01:07 xracer hahahahahhah that is true i guess that is not polite
01:07 xracer but it seems a lot of people are doing that :P
01:08 Denyerec Yeah
01:08 Denyerec And they tend to get less help :
01:08 Denyerec Plus
01:08 Denyerec peop[le in here are busy
01:08 Denyerec so sometimes it can take 30 mins, and hour before someone notices
01:08 Denyerec So in the end it's easier just to stick around
01:08 Denyerec where are you from xracer ?
01:09 xracer lol, well i just moved, i live in VA
01:09 xracer US just in case
01:09 xracer wha about you?
01:13 Denyerec bleh
01:13 tansta bugger all
01:13 Denyerec sorry xracer
01:13 Denyerec my PC had ANOTHER BDOD
01:13 Denyerec BSOD
01:13 Denyerec bloody thing
01:14 xracer lol
01:14 xracer is cool no prob you hve learn to live with things like that
01:14 xracer and you have to love computers :)
01:15 xracer so where are you from?
01:15 tansta Mars
01:15 xracer lol well that is not too far i figure you were from Vega
01:16 tansta hahaha
01:16 tansta Denyerec is from the Zoo
01:16 tansta hahaha
01:16 Denyerec *oook* *ooook*
01:16 xracer lol
01:16 tansta shit i should be working
01:16 xracer working !!!!
01:17 Denyerec me too :/
01:17 xracer hey don't be saying such curses in here
01:17 voidus xracer: just look on flickr ;)
01:17 voidus xracer: http://flickr.com/typo3/
01:18 Denyerec bad link?
01:18 voidus hm..
01:18 xracer yup
01:18 voidus url had changed :(
01:18 xracer well it happens
01:19 voidus ah, not
01:19 voidus it's fault of my memory
01:19 voidus http://www.frappr.com/TYPO3
01:20 voidus frappr, flickr - similar words with no meaning for me :)
01:20 xracer hmm...
01:20 Denyerec See ?
01:20 Denyerec http://www.frappr.com/?a=myfrappr&id=391222
01:21 Denyerec In the zoo...
01:21 Denyerec :)
01:21 xracer lol
01:22 xracer well it is too early too be working isn't???
01:23 voidus too early? or too late? :P
01:24 xracer well anything after 0100 is too early anything before 2400 to late and anything between is just a big ass gray line :D
01:25 voidus :))
01:26 Denyerec 0127hrs here
01:26 voidus 4:28 here
01:27 xracer in that case is way too early to be working
01:27 xracer is only 2128 here
01:27 voidus Denyerec: you are lucky, you don't need to think about GMT :) do you live in GMT+0?
01:27 Denyerec Heheh yeah
01:27 Denyerec UK, seat of time!
01:27 Denyerec ZULU HOUR!
01:28 xracer lol
01:28 xracer hey i have a prob the tut request to have a dumy template
01:28 voidus green which.. or how this word is spelling?
01:29 xracer i downloaded the dummy but the folder they are asking for is not there
01:29 Denyerec Greenwich
01:29 xracer so i created the folder and files but i do not have the code??? :S
01:29 Denyerec said "grenn-itch"
01:29 xracer lol
01:30 voidus :)
01:30 Denyerec I'd give a cookie to any one of you who could tell me how to pronounce "Belvoir"
01:31 Denyerec English is a ridiculous language. Just when you think you've figured out the rules, it throws a Belvoir at you.
01:31 voidus bivQ - i have a lingvo :)
01:31 Denyerec Heheh :)
01:31 Denyerec A friend of mine in Iceland once tried me with some of their words.
01:31 Denyerec All I can say, is I think I would have done much better if I'd had a bad cold at the time!! :)
01:32 xracer well as i understand it pronaunciation is just a matter of appreciation
01:32 xracer :)
01:33 Denyerec hehe
01:33 xracer lol
01:34 Denyerec Warning: 10 minute time-sink : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374jA_u18Zg&mode=related&search=
01:35 xracer well how about onomatopoeia
01:35 xracer i think is the correct spelling
01:36 Denyerec That's classically pronouncable though
01:36 Denyerec I mean "Belvoir" is said "Beaver"
01:36 Denyerec ...
01:36 Denyerec there is nothing to explain it.
01:36 Denyerec "It just is"
01:36 xracer ......
01:36 Denyerec The town "Biscester" is pronnounced "Bister"
01:37 Denyerec The list goes on
01:37 xracer lol
01:38 xracer hey i need to have templevoila to be able to create templates??
01:39 Denyerec No, but it's the easiest way
01:39 Denyerec so go install it :
01:39 Denyerec :)
01:40 xracer great just another part of the tutorail i must know in order to see my page :P
01:43 xracer so how do i install the module!!!
01:44 voidus in the extension manager
01:45 xracer i need more time to read this :) is going to take a while
01:46 xracer nice not so hard after all :)
01:54 xracer well i think i am done for the night better go to sleep before my wife catches me :)
01:55 xracer thanks to everyone again
03:03 Denyerec Man
03:03 Denyerec TV is really dicking me around with this current site.
03:03 Denyerec It's leaving my <body> tag empty
03:03 Denyerec :(
03:04 Denyerec Could it be something to do with the conditional comment sin the head of the template?
03:39 Suncho hi
03:40 Denyerec Waaaa
03:40 Suncho I have a problem
03:40 Suncho I'm trying to read the documentation pages on typo3.org
03:40 Denyerec Me too
03:40 Denyerec gerards - are you there?
03:40 Suncho but most of the links are broken and the longer pages seem to get cut off
03:40 Suncho anyone know what's up with that?
03:41 Denyerec Typo3.org has been having some tech difficulties recently
03:41 Denyerec there is a mirror but I forget the URL
03:41 Suncho hmm
03:41 Suncho ok
03:41 Suncho I'll look for it
03:41 Suncho thanks
03:41 Denyerec gerards, Ries ?
03:41 Suncho makes me a little nervous that the official website for typo3 uses typo3 and his having technical difficulties though ;)
03:42 Suncho *is having
03:42 Denyerec Oh, it was a temporary thing. I think they moved / upgraded or something.
03:42 Denyerec Even google breaks every now and then :)
03:42 Suncho ah
03:42 Denyerec Ries, gerards, I really hope you're listening cos I need a little help so I can go to bed before 4am
03:43 gerards i'm here.
03:43 gerards my brain is a little absent though
03:44 gerards Ries has been having trouble with his internet all day.
03:44 gerards we're pretty pissed off about it.
03:49 Denyerec Bah
03:49 Denyerec ok gerards
03:50 Denyerec See this page:
03:50 Denyerec http://wla.systemcms.com/index.php?id=12
03:50 Denyerec hover on "categories"
03:50 Denyerec on the main menu at the top
03:50 Denyerec you should see some subitems
03:50 Denyerec See the dummy menu on the right ?
03:50 gerards yep
03:50 Denyerec I want that to display the top level menu title, and the submenu items
03:50 Denyerec as it is doing, but dynamically, not static mockup as it is now
03:51 gerards yeah...
03:53 gerards and TMENU doesn't work?
03:53 Denyerec I am trying with this:
03:53 Suncho cool
03:53 Denyerec http://wilcoding.xs4all.nl/Wilco/Pastecode/4343/showpaste.aspx
03:53 Suncho I found a mirror for the documentation
03:54 Suncho do the people running typo3.org know that the documentation is all screwed up?
03:54 Denyerec I presume so.
03:54 Suncho why do you presume so?
03:54 Denyerec because you can't do shit without the docs.
03:55 gerards everyone knows the documentation is screwed up Suncho.
03:55 Denyerec So I'm 100% certain at least 1 person has contacted them :)
03:55 Suncho how long has it been like this?
03:55 Denyerec day or so
03:56 Suncho ok
03:56 Denyerec just so you know gerards
03:56 Denyerec http://wilcoding.xs4all.nl/Wilco/Pastecode/4344/showpaste.aspx
03:56 Denyerec that works fine
03:56 Denyerec so the TV mapping is working
03:57 gerards you need to set special.value = comma separated uids.
03:58 gerards and i don't know how to make hierachiel menus with list.
03:58 Denyerec it said if I left it empty it'd take the entrypoint
03:58 Denyerec which is what I need
03:58 Denyerec it just doesn't work
04:00 gerards no it says that if you leave it empty it would take entryLevel
04:00 gerards but you don't specify .entryLevel either.
04:00 gerards i kinda had a problem once with entryLevel, that i HAD to specify it.
04:00 Denyerec maybe voidus knows how to do it
04:01 Denyerec I think this is a similar thing to what uschi was doing
04:01 gerards voidus would know.
04:01 Denyerec voidus :)
04:01 Denyerec Go here: http://wla.systemcms.com/index.php?id=12
04:01 Denyerec and hover on "categories"
04:01 Denyerec you should see 4 submenu items
04:01 Denyerec What I would like to do, is generate a list of those to insert on the right where you see "damn typo"
04:02 Denyerec and use the toplevel name, "categories" in this case, in a heading.
04:13 voidus Denyerec: use COA: TEXT with data = leveltitle as 10 and HMENU with special = directory as 20
04:14 Denyerec what if I click on one of the subitems though
04:14 Denyerec then the menu will disappear
04:14 voidus ok, so need [treeLevel] option :)
04:15 Denyerec Whoa slow down cowboy
04:15 Denyerec let me write step 1
04:15 Denyerec ad pastecode
04:15 Denyerec so you can tell me about step 2
04:15 voidus ok)
04:17 Denyerec http://wilcoding.xs4all.nl/Wilco/Pastecode/4345/showpaste.aspx
04:17 Denyerec Ok that is the current code
04:17 Denyerec but data = leveltitle is blank
04:18 Denyerec the pages just have their pagenames at the moment.
04:18 Denyerec no header / content data
04:18 Denyerec maybe that is hy? maybe the titles are empty ?
04:19 voidus no
04:19 voidus you need to use leveltitle:1
04:19 voidus or maybe 2
04:19 voidus depends on your tree level
04:20 Denyerec W00ty
04:20 Denyerec ok
04:20 Denyerec :1 worked
04:20 Denyerec that's good
04:20 Denyerec now when I click those, I need them to maintain display of it
04:21 Denyerec You can see the live copy here: http://wla.systemcms.com/index.php?id=16
04:21 voidus so.. what should be at the right?
04:21 Denyerec ok click "categories" on the main menu
04:21 Denyerec and the sidemenu will show the subpages
04:21 Denyerec yes?
04:21 voidus yes
04:22 Denyerec Now I think what I want
04:22 voidus so when you click on "test category" sidemenu should show subcategories?
04:22 Denyerec is for that to remain
04:22 Denyerec so basically, if you're in a page within "categories", the sidemenu should show you the contents of the "categories" section
04:24 Denyerec maybe it would be best to have it show subpages of the page
04:24 Denyerec then leveltitle:1 won't work
04:25 Denyerec leveltitle:-1 will though
04:25 Denyerec neat
04:25 Denyerec sometimes I love Typo3
04:25 voidus yeah :)
04:25 Denyerec Ok so now all I need is some way to say "no subpages" if there are none
04:25 Denyerec instead of just being blank
04:25 Denyerec or even better, "Back to parent" link
04:26 Denyerec maybe I can just add that link to the end of the linkwrap
04:26 Denyerec mmm, no that would not work
04:26 Denyerec Mmm, it might
04:26 Denyerec but I don't know how to make the link.
04:27 Denyerec "Back to $parentName" would be insanely awesome
04:28 voidus if i were you, i'll make sidemenu 2-level deep.
04:28 voidus so current page may be highlighted every time
04:29 Denyerec Still doesn't help the pages that don't have any children though
04:29 voidus why?
04:29 Denyerec the sidemenu would be blank
04:29 Denyerec and that will look odd
04:30 voidus hm..
04:30 voidus if current page is in sidemenu?
04:30 Denyerec which is why I was thinking it would be great to add a "Back to $parentTitle" link to the end of every menu
04:30 Denyerec say, click on "about us"
04:30 voidus clicked
04:31 Denyerec See how the rightmenu is empty and odd?
04:31 Denyerec if I could just add:
04:31 Denyerec <a href="/?id=$parentPageID">Back to $parentTitle</a>
04:31 Denyerec to the linkWrap
04:31 voidus you can
04:31 Denyerec then it would all be sorted
04:32 Denyerec I thought it would be possible but I don't know how
04:34 voidus use IFSUB
04:35 voidus ?..
04:35 Denyerec be simpler if I could generate that link somehow.
04:35 Denyerec I wouldn't mind that mode of operation.
04:35 Denyerec Just the syntax is a mystey
04:35 Denyerec mystery
04:35 Denyerec and I am so tired :(
04:35 voidus you can generate it easyly
04:36 Denyerec Then I can sleep :(
04:37 voidus http://wilcoding.xs4all.nl/Wilco/Pastecode/4347/showpaste.aspx
04:37 vikas hi from india!
04:37 voidus Denyerec: but this will place such link to all pages, even if they have a subpages :)
04:37 voidus vikas: hello :)
04:38 Denyerec yes, I think that's what I want voidus
04:38 vikas hi voidus!
04:38 vikas past few days are my first typo3 days.
04:39 voidus vikas: so welcome to our community :)
04:39 Denyerec welcome to hell vikas ;)
04:39 Denyerec The people in here are lovely
04:39 Denyerec and the code is.... plentiful :)
04:39 vikas thank you! :)
04:39 Denyerec Ok so voidus - last Q I swear before I quit bugging you and go to bed...
04:39 Denyerec how to I set the text on the typolink
04:40 Denyerec I should look at typolink in the TSRef
04:40 vikas so, here comes my question!?
04:40 voidus Denyerec: text?
04:40 Denyerec Yeah
04:40 Denyerec it's using the pagename
04:40 Denyerec I want "Go back to parent"
04:41 Denyerec I suppose I could wrap it with "Go back to "
04:41 voidus yes
04:41 Denyerec so the end result is "Go back to $PageName"
04:41 voidus you can
04:41 vikas firstly, i used typoscript H and TMENU. they worked fine but we have diff menu with static already made images.
04:41 Denyerec but if I did wanna set the link text, what would I do
04:41 voidus Denyerec: just use .wrap = Go back to |
04:41 voidus Denyerec: you can set a text too
04:42 voidus vikas: so you need a TMENU, assign images to pages and select them in the TS
04:43 Denyerec Argh, it's eating my whitespace. &nbsp; time
04:43 vikas voidus: how does one assign images to page? and how to select them in the TS? (i hunted, any examples?)
04:44 voidus vikas: page have "media" or "files" property.. i don't remember..
04:44 Denyerec voidus - thanks man. It's not perfect, but it'll do for now.
04:45 vikas ok. i check that. but I found not property in TMENU to access anything but text data
04:45 voidus Denyerec: try parameter.value = go back, maybe
04:45 Denyerec I've nailled it
04:45 Denyerec I used the wrap, it makes more sense that way anyway...
04:46 Denyerec voidus I hope one day you get stuck on CSS, then I can repay you :D
04:46 vikas so, how do i select media in the TS for use in TMENU?
04:46 voidus Denyerec: hehe :) i think one day i can visit GB without money for hotel :)
04:46 Denyerec True that!
04:46 Denyerec Oh man
04:46 Denyerec there's always one thing
04:47 voidus which?
04:47 Denyerec I need the behaviour to change if you'r eon the home page :/
04:47 Denyerec as on the home page it has nowhere else to go
04:47 voidus vikas: one sec
04:47 voidus Denyerec: you need to use [treeLevel = 0] .. or maybe 1..
04:48 Denyerec Part of the problem is the rootpage is a shortcut called "home" that points to a page called "hom"
04:48 Denyerec "e"
04:48 voidus and unset unneeded in this case
04:48 Denyerec treelevel being the conditional?
04:48 voidus yes..
04:48 voidus but in such case i think it will not help you
04:49 Denyerec how do you do an endif?
04:49 voidus you need a [globalVar = TSFE:id = yourpageid]
04:49 voidus endif?
04:49 Denyerec [end]
04:49 Denyerec no worries :)
04:51 thevikas voidus: so, how do i select media in the TS for use in TMENU?
04:51 Denyerec Genius
04:51 Denyerec Thanks mate!! I'm off to kip.
04:52 voidus Denyerec: good night)
04:54 voidus thevikas: for example.. NO.preCObject = IMAGE
04:54 voidus NO.preCObject.{
04:54 voidus file.import.data = levelmedia: -1, "slide"
04:54 voidus file.import = uploads/media/
04:54 voidus file.import.listNum = 0
04:54 voidus file.import.override.field = media
04:54 voidus border = 0
04:54 voidus }
04:55 voidus try that
04:55 thevikas i try. slide is name of field?
04:56 voidus thevikas: no. media is a name of field
04:57 voidus i just copyed snippet.. maybe it will not work
05:02 thevikas how do i create this field media?
05:03 voidus this field is already exist
05:03 thevikas when how do i set my file name to this field?
05:04 voidus just assign image to page in backend..
05:04 voidus image will become renamed and moved to uploads/
05:10 thevikas so, i add a record to my menu item with type image?
05:31 thevikas voidus: so, i add a record to my menu item with type image?
05:31 voidus thevikas: record?
05:32 thevikas i need to upload my image to the field "media". how do i do that?
05:33 voidus in the backend in the page properties
05:48 thevikas in the "new content list" page, do i select typical>image or do i choose special>multimedia?
05:56 d|g hi all
06:36 dax77 good morning @all
07:02 Jigal hi @ll
07:05 zatmania hi all
07:05 zatmania hi Jigal
07:05 zatmania hi tobi, dax77
07:06 Jigal hi zatmania, tobi, dax77
07:06 zatmania how rae u ?
07:06 zatmania are
07:11 Jigal hi muh-die-kuh, mirco
07:11 mirco Jigal: what do you mean ?
07:12 Jigal mirco: I just said "hi" to you and muh-die-kuh, since you both just came online...
07:12 mirco OK I didn't expect muh-die-kuh to be a nic ...
07:13 Jigal I can't help it ;-) the nicks that some people pick... ;-P LOL
07:13 mirco I was wondering and looked into the user listing and after seeing that unusual nic I knew what you meant.
07:14 Jigal no problem; if you see a strange word, chances are that it is a nick... LOL
07:14 mirco not that usual from my point of view... but evereyone has to decide this on his own...
07:44 just2b good morning
07:48 Jigal morning just2b
07:48 just2b hi jigal
07:50 partykeller hi @ all
07:50 partykeller somebody available?
07:50 Jigal hi partykeller
07:51 Jigal no indecent proposals please ;-P
07:51 just2b :D
07:52 partykeller hey just2b :) I'm such a noob, sorry
07:53 partykeller I try to make a sitemap on the left side. I've chosen Standard Menu/Sitemap --> menutype: menu of "subsides"
07:53 partykeller but when I click one of the subsides in the menu, the menu disappears
07:54 partykeller so it's only visible in the "main" side...
07:54 just2b you have to insert it on the other side too...
07:54 just2b or is the left side a content with slide?
07:56 partykeller http://typo3.rwst.de the menu left works at "startseite"
07:56 partykeller but it doesn't work (after a click) on for example "neuigkeiten"
07:56 just2b the menu is fine
07:58 partykeller I did the same at start & neuigk. - but the menus are different - it disappears :-( :-(
07:59 Jigal the menus are different - they display a different subtree of the entire pagetree, but the menu is visible on most pages (except for the Impressum page)
08:00 just2b jigal.. want to see something nice?
08:00 Jigal just2b: yes, I could use something nice!
08:00 just2b http://www.rggooglemap.com/index.php?id=45
08:00 just2b a "little" enhancement for ve_guestbook
08:01 partykeller jigal, u are right, but when u click into the menu, for example at contact - you click on "contact" <- left , the menu disappear
08:01 partykeller +s
08:01 partykeller .... at startpage it doesn't :)
08:05 Jigal just2b: a question about the markers on the map: of the five entries in the guestbook I only see Jörg and Georg on the map, but also Andreas, Alexander, Irene and 'neu'... what's the relationship between the markers on the map and the gb entries?
08:05 mirco Really cool extension, I've got lumogooglemaps in use on wse-gmbh.de, but this seems to be more powerfull, and look's like a lot easier to setup, because I remember the torture I had last year when setting up lumo...
08:06 just2b jigal: there are 2 pages of ve_guestbook, but all are displayed on the map
08:06 just2b and the relationship: there is no relation. the date is saved in ve_guestbook ;)
08:07 just2b @mirco: yeah there are really many features in this new version
08:07 just2b check out http://www.rggooglemap.com/index.php?id=35
08:07 just2b right side there are most of the features listed
08:09 mirco just2b: I knew I had a look on the page before I posted, I'm very interested in replacing lumo with rggoogle.. but atm there's no time to do so, but the next project will be realized with this one...
08:10 Jigal just2b: I don't see Robert Woidicke aus Zürich on the map :-( (I know of a Zürich in Schweiz and a Zurich in Nederland, but that's all)
08:11 mirco As there's no link in his Posting 'I think he didn't input his location...
08:13 Jigal mirco: now I see that you have to set the location yourself!
08:14 Jigal (can anyone help partykeller a bit with his/her menu?)
08:14 just2b jigal.. he didn't insert coordinates...
08:14 mirco That would have been a hard job to examine the location from the IP, and what if a user come's to the page through a proxy...
08:14 just2b you can insert yourself here > http://www.rggooglemap.com/index.php?id=43
08:15 partykeller thanx Jigal :(
08:15 just2b the extension should handle 20k points ;)
08:15 mirco I can't help with menu's, as I more of an Admin then a dev I don't have any experience with Menu's...
08:15 just2b btw of course ve_guestbook hadn't been modified (just 1 line which should be added in new version of the guestbook)(
08:16 Jigal just2b: when I do that, click in the Ort field (no text entered) and click on the + to zoom into the map I get the alert "not found" and the map goes turns grey...
08:17 just2b ok i didn't handle the exception yet.. insert a town which exists
08:20 partykeller somebody in here, who is able to help me with a very little menu-question...? :D ?
08:20 just2b ask it and we well see
08:21 just2b thx for entry btw
08:21 just2b ;)
08:21 partykeller :)
08:21 partykeller I still asked :-(
08:22 just2b btw jigal.. you can of course link a POI from outside > http://www.rggooglemap.com/index.php?id=45&tx_rggooglemap_pi1[poi]=19&tx_rggooglemap_pi1[table]=tx_veguestbook_entries
08:22 partykeller I've got a sitemenu that shows the subsides, but when you click on it and the subside opens, the sidemenu disappers....
08:22 partykeller on another side I've got the SAME menu and it doesn't disapper :-( after a click
08:23 just2b so are there subsides?
08:24 partykeller bothe sides i'm talking from are subsides of "root"
08:26 partykeller what i mena u see here: http://typo3.rwst.de/index.php?id=6 --- and here...: http://typo3.rwst.de/index.php?id=7 --- at the first one it doesn't disappera and at the second it disappers. where to configurate?
08:26 just2b the colors are really pain for the eyes
08:26 Jigal just2b: would have been nice if the e-mail addresses would not have been displayed as plain text though (spam) The mailto: link is encrypted, but the address is displayed as text.. :-?
08:26 just2b jigal... you are wrong about this
08:27 just2b dot + @ are set by js
08:27 Jigal View source: <p><a href="javascript:linkTo_UnCryptMailto('ocknvq,lkicn0xcp0jgogtvBgwtqtuei0pn');">(obscured mail address)</a></p>
08:28 just2b yeah i see it.. but shouldnt be the case... i'' look into it
08:28 gcop1 hi all
08:29 partykeller heyho
08:30 just2b jigal, this the fault of ve_guestbook.. not creatingh links correcltry...
08:31 just2b but I hide the emailadr unitl I patch it :D
08:33 just2b code is just terrible...
08:35 Jigal just2b: great!
08:36 just2b you have seen the 2 tabs in the info window, right?
08:36 Jigal just2b: better is to not show e-mail addresses at all; just use a lable e-mail (like website) and use the encrypted mailto: link
08:37 just2b take a look now...
08:40 Jigal just2b: what do you mean by "the 2 tabs in the info window"?
08:41 just2b klick on a icon in map > opens the bubble
08:41 Jigal It shows my entry three times :-)
08:42 Jigal (the more... info that is)
08:42 just2b you can fill the tabs with every field of ve_guestbook... and make as many tabs as you want
08:43 zat[Away] hi just2b
08:43 just2b hi zat
08:43 Jigal the more... tab now shows the text "more info about van Hemert Jigal:" and then the guestbook entry text 3 times ;-)
08:43 just2b yeah.. the marker set 3 times...
08:44 just2b template looks like http://phpfi.com/215743
08:46 Jigal another odd thing in IE6 (haven't tested 7): if you click on one of those tabs the background images on the rest of the page are reloaded. This is a very irritating, but known bug in IE6 when you have background images set in CSS... (looking up details now)
08:46 just2b haven't looked yet
08:48 Jigal just2b: http://www.fivesevensix.com/studies/ie6flicker/
08:50 just2b thx
08:54 beev0r typo3 4.1 seems to have some problems with the frontend user login, could it be? as i read in some german forums i'm not the only one having problems with my login
08:55 just2b beever, as you said in typo3.net some min ago.. downgrade is IMO the best thing.. but i havent' tried out the login myself at 4.1
08:56 beev0r downgrading stinks
08:58 beev0r how do you know my username on typo3.net is manuelB ? =)
08:59 just2b it is how you write and a whois in irc helps too
08:59 Fanty I see this line i most extensions I've looked in 't3lib_extMgm::addTypoScript($_EXTKEY,'editorcfg','tt_content.CSS_editor.ch.tx_ext_pi1 = < plugin.tx_ext_pi1.CSS_editor',43);' ... and I've yet to figure out what it does?
08:59 Fanty what is that CSS_editor?
09:01 beev0r ah ok. whois. hehe
09:06 just2b beev0r: yeah i watch you :D
09:07 partykeller Is there another EDITOR availabe for "typo" instead of the standard richTextEditor?
09:07 just2b tinyrte... much better
09:07 beev0r http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1%5Bview%5D=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1%5Bsword%5D=editor
09:07 partykeller htmlArea RTE y-- ive got this one
09:08 partykeller tinyrte?
09:08 just2b yes
09:08 partykeller which one is the best...
09:09 just2b i like it more
09:09 just2b there is no best
09:09 partykeller html rte is just f*** ^^
09:09 partykeller doesn't do what I want.. :-(
09:09 beev0r html rich text editors generally suck ;)
09:10 Jigal just2b: I like tinyrte also better than the rest ;-) (especially the past from word button)
09:12 pulponair hi there
09:12 just2b hi plup
09:13 Jigal hi pulponair
09:15 partykeller installed tiny... yessa, it writes everything together, no <p> and so on
09:15 partykeller nooo :-(
09:16 dragon_reborn good morning everbody.
09:17 dragon_reborn i just want to say hi. i'm new to the t3 community.
09:18 just2b hi and a warm welcome to you!
09:19 gcop1 hi dragon_reborn
09:20 Jigal partykeller: there are a few settings in the backend which may help you :-)
09:20 gcop1 I'm noob too :)
09:21 dragon_reborn yes me too, that's the reason why i joined the community - to learn something about t3 :-)
09:21 beev0r first thing to learn is:
09:21 beev0r typo3 can sometimes be very painful
09:22 just2b this is not true... typo3 is very complex and needs quite a time... that is all
09:23 Jigal partykeller: my configuration of tinyrte: Invalid elements: script; force_p_newlines: 1; force_br_newlines: 0; resizing horizontal: 1: (only the non-default items listed)
09:24 ndee hey there, what's the normal way to include a php file which is in the res directory of your extension?
09:25 dragon_reborn i work with it since around 3 weeks and already reached more than one time the point where i nearly despaired
09:25 just2b there are many websites where you can get help, also mailinglists are quite good
09:26 just2b you are not alone
09:26 Jigal just2b: correct! TYPO3 is very flexibel, everything that can't be done with the standard system can be done with extensions (which you can write yourself in PHP). Hundreds of extensions are available (some better than others). Flexibility comes at a price: the learning curve is quite steep.
09:26 just2b jigal, there is so much you can do even not touching extensions, just with TS...
09:26 Jigal There is a lot of documentation, forums, mailing lists, websites with tips, and this channel... so don't despair
09:27 just2b but if you just need a cms and a quick website.. you are wrong with typo3
09:27 just2b jigal: e.g. what I do with my extension... so cool not touching any extension but including it every where ;)
09:27 Jigal just2b: I concidered TS (TypoScript, a language to configure the system) to be part of the system.
09:28 just2b ok that's a true view, sry
09:29 brain-xy morning all :)
09:29 just2b hi brain-xy
09:29 brain-xy hi just2b
09:30 dragon_reborn jap, i tried to work with the documentations. i'm reading "modern template building - part 1" right now. it's lot of work :D
09:30 dragon_reborn morning
09:40 Jigal hi brain-xy
09:40 brain-xy hi Jigal :)
09:42 just2b oh i just loove hooks
09:48 partykeller does sb know the reason for the following problme: i installed tinyrte but the rte doesn't remember breaks and so on - so after saving everything stands together...
09:50 brain-xy partykeller .. i never used this rte but it might be a configuration issue .. so that the rte doesn't allow brakes
09:51 just2b partykeller look into the EM > there you set everything
09:54 Jigal partykeller: have you done the settings I suggested?
09:55 Jigal partykeller: my configuration of tinyrte: Invalid elements: script; force_p_newlines: 1; force_br_newlines: 0; resizing horizontal: 1: (only the non-default items listed)
09:55 partykeller still looked into the EM.... but there's no option to "delete breaks or paragraphs" :D
09:56 Jigal partykeller: the option Invalid elements has as default "p, script"; this removes all <p> tags...; change to "script"
09:57 Jigal partykeller: set the option force_p_newlines to on (1); and force_br_newlines to off ( 0 );
09:57 partykeller 1 is *marked* and 0 is without a mark..?
09:58 Jigal yes!
10:02 partykeller it still "kills" my breaks :-(
10:02 Jigal partykeller: with the "paste from word"-button (icon: clipboard + word logo) you can clean the markup from Word. In my backend the <enter> key makes a new paragraph (<p>...</p>) and shift+enter inserts a line break ( <br /> );
10:02 dragon_reborn have a good day. bye guys
10:02 Jigal see you later!
10:06 partykeller ahhhhrgh i get crazy :) nowhere is marked that the rte shall delete Breaks - but it does
10:07 Jigal partykeller: did you empty all caches you could find?
10:09 thevikas how do I add a image so I can use it in "file.import.field = image" ?
10:10 just2b thevikas > edit page propeties > upload file at files
10:10 partykeller yes ;( i did
10:11 Jigal partykeller: can you list the backend options of tinyRTE; I'm pretty sure it must be a configuration issue...
10:14 partykeller force_p_newlines 1; force_br_newlines 0; convert_newlines_to_brs 0; rezising 1; rezing horizontal 1; Use Compressed Script 0
10:14 partykeller now, a paragraph is still a paragraph
10:15 partykeller but when working with shift-enter the rte makes "breaks" (html view) - shows breaks, but after savin' there are paragraphs...
10:16 Jigal partykeller: and the field "Invalid elements"?
10:23 pulponair is there a way to prevent the rte from wraping tabelle td content with <p bodytext> ?
10:25 Staffan__ where is the accesscontroll for the button [new page] located above the page content?
10:29 koomi Staffan__: ? either in user/group setting or you do it via access/acl ext
10:29 Jigal pulponair:http://www.datenwolken.de/index.php?id=195&L=1 (German)
10:30 Jigal pulponair: heading "Unerwünschtes <p>-Element in Tabellenzellen verhindern"
10:30 pulponair Jigal: thank you
10:30 Staffan__ koomi_: Got it so far - but excatly is the thing, thought i found it but no
10:44 pulponair is it possible to remove the "default template" from the new page wizard?
10:44 toms hi
10:47 kraftb hi ...
10:51 toms Using a SiteMap in my page i set the starting point to be special page, but typo seems to ignore this setting. In help is written "Notice that the sitemap will begin from the current page unless you specify another 'Startingpoint' page in the list below." I just did.
10:58 mirco has to restart his Machine after installing the OSX 10.4.9 Update ...
11:10 pulponair no one regarding my "default template" - issue?
11:21 gcop1 pulponair : welcome to my world of non-answered question ^^
11:23 just2b re
11:25 partykeller @@ jigal : only script!
11:29 eeos hi there
11:29 neostar hi
11:33 mirco tobi: will you be @Home tonight at about 8 a clock??
11:34 koomi mirco: no flirting in #typo3 :)
11:34 mirco or reachable via Skype, koomi: good joke!?!
11:36 eeos hi just2b
11:36 just2b hi eeos
11:36 eeos could explain exactly how do you your extension, and if it could be used on any other GIS engine?
11:36 eeos I mean apart google earth
11:37 tmjb hello i have a litle problem with my custom extensions and caching i am trying to switch content using $gp=t3lib_div::_GP('tx_gplkonf_pi1'); then if gp[tab]==1 {content1} if gp[tab]==2 {content2} but when page gets cached i only get one page until I clear the cache ?
11:37 tmjb one more thing i use $this->pi_USER_INT_obj=1;
11:37 tmjb not Chash
11:39 tmjb I also readed 'the-mysteries-of-chash' but I probly missing something I can not see
11:40 pulponair Yet another try: how to remove the default template from the "create new page wizard" ? :)
11:43 eeos pulponair I have tried myself for a while, but did not udnerstand how to do it
11:43 Fanty pulponair: you might try to hook some function before it renders the list and remove it?
11:44 pulponair Fanty: sure but it thought there would be a more comfortable way ;)
11:55 tmjb anyone got ide how make make extension work without &no_cache=1 ?
11:59 just2b tmjb, make it a COA_INT
12:04 m00re hi
12:04 just2b hi m00re
12:11 bauschan hi @all
12:12 neostar hi bauschan
12:12 just2b ... ah not interested in work today...
12:12 dj2007 The Install Tool is locked.
12:13 dj2007 how do i fix this?
12:13 just2b dj20007 i bet there is a message there
12:13 dj2007 The Install Tool is locked.
12:13 dj2007 Fix: Create a file typo3conf/ENABLE_INSTALL_TOOL
12:13 dj2007 This file may simply be empty.
12:13 dj2007 For security reasons, it is highly recommended to rename
12:13 dj2007 or delete the file after the operation is finished.
12:14 dj2007 thats the message
12:14 just2b so why not doing this?!?
12:14 just2b you can read ;)
12:15 dj2007 Warning: mysql_list_tables(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /Users/<removed>/public_html/testing/t3lib/class.t3lib_db.php on line 966
12:15 dj2007 now i get that..
12:20 partykeller anybody out there...? *echo*
12:20 pulponair Fanty: fyi: the default template is hardcoded in tv
12:21 Fanty pulponair: that pretty much shoots down anything but the evilish hack way to get rid of it then
12:22 pulponair Fanty: http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=4171
12:22 pulponair fanty: ignored since 09/06
12:22 pulponair fanty: should we donate?
12:24 Fanty pulponair: hehe, it was eeos that also needed it.. I don't have any issues with it yet personally ;)
12:26 eeos Fanty pulponair I do not have any issues with it pesonally, I have stucksome with sellotape on the screen in the position where the icon appears.
12:27 pulponair hmm ok i have to fix it anyway what way would you like to see it work?
12:27 eeos sorry, I have stuck some WHITE sellotape on the screen in the position where the icon appears.
12:27 Fanty eeos: uhh... clever fix! high maintenance tough
12:28 eeos Fanty YES, your keep moving the sellotape, but it is good for your finger muscular tone.
12:28 pulponair fanty,eeos: hidde the default template if there are other templates?
12:29 eeos pulponair yes, possibly using typoscript.
12:29 eeos pulponair :)
12:29 pulponair eeos: hmm
12:30 eeos pulponair are you the extension author?
12:30 pulponair eeos: no
12:30 eeos maintainer?
12:30 pulponair but i would attach the patch to the bugtracker
12:35 partykeller need help with the rte :-(
12:45 Ries monring
12:45 Ries morning
12:57 zatmania hi Ries
12:57 just2b oh i am so not motivated
12:58 just2b and zucchero makes it even worse
12:58 manoman i'm getting a problem getting into the extension repository
12:58 manoman The extension list has not changed remotely, it has thus not been fetched.
12:58 manoman thats the error i got
12:59 manoman how can i fix this?
13:01 manoman hello?
13:03 tmjb just2b,sorry but i still not clear how to catch with COA tx_gplkonf_pi1[tab]=2 could you plese write a something like this->cObj->GET('tab')?
13:03 mikhas question: if i have a typoscript-object, that currently inserts a hardcoded link (TEXT-object), how can I change it to make it parse the url through typo3/apache... so that it will be converted to realurl-ish link? It still works correctly currently, but the link would look nicer.
13:05 pulponair is there a way to traverse the rootline within the backend?
13:05 Ries mikhas: if you do it teh typo3 way, it will always be a parsed bu realUrl... or whatever you use
13:05 Ries pulponair: I think there is a BE function for rootlines aswell...
13:06 manoman hey Ries how do i get the extentions from the repository?
13:06 manoman it says it doesn't update remotely
13:07 beev0r how can i part a page into serveral pages?
13:07 manoman The extension list has not changed remotely, it has thus not been fetched. <<< this is what it states
13:07 mikhas Ries: what exactly is the typo3-way? :) typoscript is also typo3 =)
13:07 beev0r i have some very long pages and want to cut them into page 1 | 2 | 3 | ...
13:07 manoman the user name and password is correct
13:08 gcop1 beev0r : ... so... do it... it's a good idea ;)
13:08 beev0r yeah. i know it's a good idea
13:08 beev0r it's even a great idea
13:09 beev0r but HOW can i do that?
13:09 eeos just2b zucchero?
13:09 pulponair Ries: :got it
13:09 just2b eeos, yes
13:09 eeos just2b what is it?
13:09 eeos :)
13:09 just2b music
13:10 eeos just2b I suspected so. re you italian?
13:10 just2b austria
13:10 gcop1 beev0r: I'm not a expert in T3, so don't count on me, but I think this channel lacks of courtesy , respect
13:11 gcop1 just connexion, question, reponse or not, deconnexion
13:11 just2b gcop, and some people just making lines ;)
13:12 uschi just2b is right, gcop
13:12 gcop1 if I can do other things, sure I made ;)
13:13 uschi hi typo3 :-))
13:14 gcop1 I don't think this channel is a chat, but a minimum of plz and thx..... but it's just me.... the line-maker
13:14 uschi well, gcop1, each one in here is producing lines of code all the time
13:14 just2b gcop... i have stopped about complaing beeing a mod in a typo3-forum with over 8k postings ;)
13:15 just2b if someone is rude, he won't get help by me and the problem is for ME solved... > more time for everyone else and for me
13:16 Denyerec Morning/Evening chaps
13:16 uschi hey Denyerec :-)
13:16 gcop1 thx for lessons ;)
13:16 eeos Denyerec hi there!
13:16 Denyerec Hey uschi - I don't know if this is any use to you, but voidus helped me put together a menu last night that was sensitive to the entrypoint...
13:17 Denyerec lo eeos :)
13:17 uschi might be useful, Denyerec
13:17 Denyerec let me PM you
13:17 uschi ok, come in
13:17 eeos Denyerec what does it mean? it shows a different menu depending on entry point?
13:18 Denyerec Um
13:18 Denyerec No not really, it just has a submenu that varies depending on the parent page level
13:18 Denyerec I don't know if it was relevant to uschi, but she was doing something along those lines and every little helps!
13:20 uschi my case was different, because i wanted to calculate the entryLevel dynamically
13:20 uschi tobi wrote a small ext for me, which enables stdWrap for entryLevel
13:20 Denyerec ahh
13:21 Denyerec I was never 100% clear what you were trying to achieve
13:25 uschi now i am trying my first steps into GIFBUILDER
13:25 Irix_1 I was wondering if there excist a reservation modul to as a example a restaurant... ?
13:26 Irix_1 exist
13:26 uschi +s
13:26 uschi there was one for hotel rooms
13:26 uschi search for restaurant
13:26 uschi or booking
13:27 Irix_1 hehe... I totally forgot "booking" ;)
13:28 mikhas How can I parse a hardcoded url (typoscript) through typo3/apache... so that it will be converted to realurl-ish link?
13:28 just2b mikhas: why not making it with typolink instead hardcoded?
13:30 mikhas just2b: well, one reason is that it has attributes, like language and similar.
13:30 eeos lunch time! brb!
13:30 mikhas just2b: f.ex id=5&L=1&print=1 etc...
13:31 just2b mikhas, this can be all done with typolink
13:32 Denyerec By default the "task centre" seems a little useless. Is there a guide on how to capitalise on this feature?
13:32 mikhas just2b: you mean a regular link in typo3 backend, or is "typolink" a typoscript-term? I'll google a bit on it.
13:33 just2b what you need is here http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/4.0.0/view/5/8/
13:33 tobi Denyerec: i dont know if there is a docu but just create a action on the rootpage, it is quite straight forward
13:34 mikhas just2b: thanks, i'm reading up on it right now. ;)
13:35 mikhas ah yes, this will solve it.
13:36 just2b think easy ;)
13:36 Denyerec tobi - you mean make a new "internal note" ?
13:36 Irix_1 so anyone tried to use Solunas booking for other purposes than hotel booking ?
13:36 just2b mikhas.. to get a text with typolink, use this:
13:36 just2b temp.footerLeft = TEXT
13:36 just2b temp.footerLeft {
13:36 just2b value = Linktext
13:36 just2b typolink.target = _self
13:36 just2b typolink.parameter = 1
13:36 just2b }
13:37 just2b rest should be easy
13:38 tobi Denyerec no, new action .. you have to install sys_action too
13:38 zatmania typolink target don't work anytime
13:38 zatmania i have some rpb with
13:38 just2b have got never problems with it.. sry
13:38 just2b troubles are here to solve
13:40 Denyerec Ahh
13:40 Denyerec :)
13:40 Denyerec So there is a trick to it ;)
13:50 j0hndeere Good morning, humans.
14:03 beeeviz damn
14:04 beeeviz why does special.list = 1, 3, 4 not work?
14:04 beeeviz http://phpfi.com/215813
14:04 beeeviz i tried it inside of the TMENU part
14:05 beeeviz i want only the pages 1, 3 and 4 to appear in my menu
14:05 tobi why do you have the entrylevel there ?
14:06 just2b .. tobi was faster
14:06 zatmania :)
14:06 zatmania and the winner is .....
14:07 beeeviz because i dont want to have level 0 in the menu ?!
14:07 tobi i dont understand that beeeviz
14:07 tobi you want all menues that are in special.list ... so remove the entryLevel!!
14:08 beeeviz noooo
14:08 just2b lol
14:08 beeeviz i only want to have these 3 pages in my menu
14:08 just2b delete entrylevel
14:08 beeeviz why should i do that?! i need it
14:09 tobi entryLevel does not make sence with special=list
14:09 beeeviz level 0 may not be shown in the menu
14:09 just2b just do it and check it out
14:09 beeeviz hm
14:09 just2b don't ask if you don't trust
14:09 beeeviz hehe
14:10 beeeviz that's my pagetree
14:10 beeeviz http://manuelbieh.com/upload/menustructure.gif
14:11 beeeviz and this is how the menu is supposed to look like http://manuelbieh.com/upload/menu.gif
14:11 beeeviz but without the "kontakt" page
14:11 just2b if you want a menu of 3 pages, just doo specal.value = ID1, ID2, ID3
14:11 just2b so use the IDs of these 3 pages and delete entrylvel.-..
14:11 Denyerec or use a directory menu with exclude ?
14:11 Denyerec or select "hide in menu" for the contact page?
14:13 beeeviz well, actually that's a good idea
14:13 pulponair Fanty:http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=4171
14:13 beeeviz if i didnt need the kontakt page in another menu
14:13 beeeviz (breadcrumb)
14:13 pulponair Fanty: i attached a patch which should solve that issue
14:13 pulponair (hopefully)
14:14 Awol1010 What do I need to do if Typo3 doesn't take my Install Tool Password. I even changed the MD5 hash in localconf.php and still asks for the password
14:15 beeeviz i can do what i want to
14:15 beeeviz it just doesnt work
14:15 just2b awol: delete the both temp-files in typo3conf/
14:15 beeeviz remove the entry level, add exclude stuff ...
14:15 Fanty pulponair: cool... I'm pretty sure it beats eeos' sellotape fix
14:15 beeeviz nothing happens
14:17 tmjb I still can get COA_INT working in my extension here is the example code in http://phpfi.com/215817
14:18 tmjb works when i put &no_cache=1 i get the date
14:18 tmjb any ideas
14:19 tobi tmjb: your extension needs to be includet as USER_INT not as USER object
14:20 Awol1010 ok deleting the Temp files did nothing. Enter the password and comes back to the same screen asking for the password
14:20 pulponair Fanty: i would like to see someone testing it ! ;)
14:21 tmjb in function function main($content,$conf) { i have $this->pi_USER_INT_obj=1;)
14:22 tobi and somewhere there should be a ts include .. that one has to be USER_INT
14:25 Awol1010 any other ideas on why it doesn't accept my Install Tool Password?
14:26 pulponair Awol1010: <php md5('1234') ?>
14:26 pulponair Awol1010: afterwards paste the md5 hash to your localconf
14:26 pulponair finish
14:27 pulponair Awol1010: but first cat localconf | grep pass
14:27 Awol1010 I'm on a Windows server
14:30 Denyerec dax / voidus...
14:30 Denyerec What's the story on you getting your .crop code into the core?
14:31 Awol1010 ok created the hash for 1234 put the hash in the localconf.php file under $TYPO3_CONF_VARS['BE']['installToolPassword'] and it does the same thing just goes back to the TYPO3 4.1 Install Tool screen
14:33 webdev hi everyone
14:33 webdev is it possible to show an other language within the page tree ?
14:34 pulponair Awol1010: douple check your localconf for a second installToolPassword entry
14:34 webdev I wanna have the pagetitles in the language 2 when the user xy is logged in.
14:34 pulponair webdev: impossible
14:34 pulponair webdev: wait
14:34 pulponair webdev: i missunderstood you
14:39 webdev TYPO3 webpage: default langauge (english), language 2 (greek)
14:39 webdev if the greek user logs in the page tree should be display the greek page titles
14:48 Awol1010 having no luck with the install tool guess I won't use Typo3
14:51 Denyerec Awol1010
14:51 Denyerec Why on earth are you fiddling with the hash value
14:51 pulponair eeos: :http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=4171 i attached a patch which should solve that default template issue
14:51 eeos re
14:51 Denyerec in all the sites I've ever built I've never touched it.
14:52 pulponair Denyerec: he wasnt able to loggin to the installer so i considered the hashvalue being brocken
14:52 eeos pulponair thanks! I will test it!
14:52 pulponair eeos: could you keep me informed?
14:52 Denyerec Don't you just touch the INSTALL_TOOL_ENABLE file for that and use joh316 ?
14:53 eeos pulponair yes of course, could you give your email? pm
14:53 pulponair Denyerec: i guessed he tried that initially
14:53 Denyerec Fair enough.
14:53 pulponair eeos: just attache a note to the bug report
14:53 eeos pulponair ok!
14:54 pulponair eeos: the patch implements the way of handling suggested by the initial report
14:55 eeos pulponair ok
14:56 pulponair eeos: btw: you should add an imprint to your website ;)
14:56 eeos pulponair an imprint?
14:56 pulponair yes
14:57 eeos pulponair what is it?
14:57 just2b who is responsible for the website, and this text "links to external pages not responsible..."
14:58 eeos just2b is that the imprint?
14:58 just2b yes
14:58 eeos just2b thanks!
14:58 just2b np
14:59 eeos we put the website online recently, so any comment is welcome!
14:59 just2b url?
15:00 eeos www.eeos.biz
15:01 just2b ok comments in some minutes
15:03 Denyerec hey eeos
15:03 Denyerec one comment on the design
15:04 Denyerec I would set the min-height of the design to the height of the frontpage
15:04 Denyerec that way no matter where you navigate to, the page doesn't jump up suddenly.
15:04 Denyerec There are plenty of CSS methods to achieve it, so it shouldn't be a trouble.
15:04 eeos Denyerec the min-height of the <body>?
15:04 Denyerec No
15:05 Denyerec just the content area should do it
15:05 Denyerec for example on your main page if you clicl... um
15:05 Denyerec about us
15:05 Denyerec the page jumps in height quite dramatically
15:05 neostar Denyerec is right, otherwise looks nice, though I would soften out the top shadows at the edges
15:06 neostar eeos: especially on the right side the shadow looks a bit cut off
15:07 eeos neostar I am checking ....
15:07 eeos neostar which shadow?
15:08 eeos DenyerecI do not understand the jump up thig, could you please explain?
15:08 neostar eeos: at the top of the page, the one behind the three tabs
15:08 eeos neostar yes
15:08 eeos neostar what cange would you envisage?
15:08 eeos s/cange/change
15:09 neostar eeos: on the far right and left side it feels cut off to me, there should be something but it feels like there's something missing
15:09 neostar maybe it would help to add a shadow on the left side or to make the shadow harder
15:10 neostar sorry right side
15:11 neostar eeos: also I would add a thin line for the inactive tabs at the point where the light orange meets the darker orange tone
15:11 eeos neostar thanks!
15:12 eeos neostar Denyerec I still do not understand the jump up thing.
15:12 neostar eeos: for the shadow, just think where the light source had to be to give it this shadow
15:12 eeos neostar I will think about it, also have to discuss with others :)
15:13 neostar eeos: sure, no problem :-)
15:13 Denyerec The main page is say 500px high
15:13 Denyerec when you click "about us" the page height is 300px heigh
15:13 Denyerec For example
15:13 Denyerec and that "jump" or change, can be disturbing
15:13 Denyerec so it might be a good idea to make sure the site is always at least as tall as the frontpage.
15:14 eeos neostar we have to find a way, without having to redesign.
15:14 eeos Denyerec ah! thanks! I now understand!
15:14 Denyerec nps
15:15 eeos how would you solve it with min-height?
15:15 neostar eeos: yes
15:15 eeos neostar mmmm, how would that behave with older browsers?
15:16 neostar eeos: http://wellstyled.com/css-minheight-hack.html
15:16 eeos neostar we try to maintai compatibility
15:16 eeos neostar ah thanks!
15:17 neostar eeos: there are probably some other tricks around the net
15:18 eeos neostar the problem is that most of them break compliance with CS 2.1
15:18 eeos neostar like the _height trick
15:19 Awol1010 Denyerec: The hash value was changed cause it said to change it for security. But even changing it back to the default localconf.php file (with the added DB stuff) it still doesn't work I can't go in and do the extra configuration it said I could do
15:20 neostar eeos: well some hacks only apply to one special browser, since an old browser probably doesn't even go beyond quirks mode it shouldn't pose a problem for browsers who can handle a proper DOM
15:20 Denyerec Awol1010 - I would probably recommend starting over, and not changing those things until you've got stuff up and running and understand fully the implications of those changes
15:20 Denyerec Seeing as how you're not installed yet, starting over should be relatively straightforward.
15:20 Awol1010 then I suggest they don't make suggestions in the install program that allow you to make those changes
15:20 Denyerec Maybe so, though I'm sure advanced users have a need for it.
15:21 Denyerec I was under the impression the hash was generated randomly per-install anyway ?
15:21 Denyerec eeos, just2b - do you know much of the installation tool's hash value ?
15:22 Denyerec eeos
15:22 Denyerec One of the easiest min height approaches i have found
15:22 eeos Denyerec no, not really
15:22 Denyerec is either the min-height prop hack
15:22 Denyerec using a floating thin div as a "support"
15:22 Denyerec or this:
15:22 Denyerec div.class { height: auto !important; min-height: 400px; height: 400px; }
15:23 Denyerec Yes, you have a duplicate declaration of the height attribute, BUT, it doesn't use markup hacks.
15:23 Denyerec IE5/6 ignores !important and simply selects the last value it sees
15:23 Denyerec So Sane browsers get height: auto and min-height
15:23 eeos Denyerec would that not impose a height of 400px? what would happen in case the text flow pushed the content to a height of more than 400px?
15:23 Denyerec and the ugly sisters see height: 400
15:23 Denyerec No
15:23 Denyerec Because, again, IE doesn't bother listening to you with respect to height
15:24 Denyerec a container will expand regardless in IE
15:24 eeos Denyerec would that be comliant with CSS 2.1?
15:24 Denyerec Unless, I think, you specify overflow: hidden;
15:24 Denyerec eeos - given that hardly any browsers are, if it works, you should be thankful :)
15:25 Denyerec I never bother to validate my CSS, if the browsers can't be bothered to listen to the spec, then validating it seems a little... redundant :(
15:25 Denyerec Though I also avoid hacks as much as possible, using conditional comments where necessary
15:25 eeos Denyerec unless the customer requires it, or the customer's users :(
15:25 Denyerec (EG those awful backslash hacks for IE5.5, or the underscore hacks for IE6)
15:25 Denyerec True eeos
15:25 Denyerec I say write it with the CSS approach
15:25 Denyerec and run the validator on it
15:26 Denyerec if it fails validaton, include the second height rule in a conditional comment.
15:27 eeos Denyerec thanks!
15:27 Denyerec Please let me know what the validator thinks to it!
15:27 Denyerec I've never actually checked :)
15:29 Denyerec at best the validator will throw a warning
15:29 pulponair eeos: did you test the patch?
15:29 neostar eeos: 15 included style sheets, that's what I call breaking something down
15:29 eeos Denyerec thanks, I will let you know!
15:29 Denyerec I long for the day I can use this #content tr:nth-child(2n+1)
15:29 Denyerec :(
15:29 eeos pulponair not yet!
15:30 eeos neostar yes :) update is much more manageable.
15:30 neostar eeos: i like that
15:30 eeos neostar an debugging as well :)
15:34 Awol1010 thanks for your help but I guess Typo3 doesn't want to run correctly back to finding something else to use to run my website
15:35 eeos why did you want to modify the hash value?
15:36 eeos ops is gone
15:37 neostar I really don't understand why the first thing when learning a new system is changing security related things
15:38 roelof hello, does anyone know cag_pagebrowser ??
15:40 Denyerec OK schoolboy error here.... but how do you make sure & in content and titles render as &amp; ?
15:40 Denyerec neostar - I don't understand people who give up on something because they don't want to try twice...
15:41 neostar Denyerec: seems to be a state of mind
15:41 Denyerec Indeed :/
15:41 Denyerec His loss, as Typo3 is quite good :)
15:42 neostar it is, the more I understand the more I like it
15:42 Denyerec Do you know how to convince Typo to output HTML elements liks & as &amp; ?
15:42 Denyerec For example in a page title Terms & Conditions
15:43 neostar Denyerec: I know where to look, just a sec
15:43 Denyerec Thanks man
15:44 roelof Does anyone know how to make cag_pagebrowser look, i did everything acccording to the book but nothing shows up
15:44 Denyerec Is that the extension that allows for paginated content pages?
15:46 roelof yep, denyerec
15:47 Denyerec You are a month too early :)
15:47 Denyerec I was intending to look into that extension after my current build!
15:47 Denyerec are you trying to isert it via typoscript or as a content element ?
15:47 Denyerec and have you checked your template record to see if you've included the static templates?
15:47 Denyerec (If any)
15:48 Denyerec click template module, select your template, click "Click here to edit whole record" and check the static templates list.
15:49 roelof As a content element because i use TV and according to the manual that's the way to go
15:49 roelof In the static template list there the plugin is named
15:51 neostar Denyerec: what is lib.parseFunc.nonTypoTagStdWrap.HTMLparser.htmlSpecialChars set to in your config?
15:52 Denyerec good grief I have no idea
15:52 Denyerec let me load the template analyser
15:52 neostar Denyerec: TS object browser should do
15:53 Denyerec it's set to 2
15:53 roelof denyerec, then i come bac in a month to ask you again :P
15:53 neostar try 1
15:53 Denyerec ok neo
15:53 Denyerec roelof - you have included the templates and cleared your cache ?
15:54 neostar Denyerec: I would like to show you the TSRef for the options but I only have a german link atm
15:54 roelof yep, denyerec, as i wrote, i did everything according to the manual
15:55 neostar Denyerec: there you go, just look for htmlSpecialChars http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/4.0.0/view/5/17/
15:55 Denyerec :(
15:55 Denyerec neostar - that breaks the content area and doesn't fix the menus! :(
15:56 Denyerec IE - it filled the content area with oddly placed &nbsp; entries, but didn't convert the & chars in the menu to &amp;
15:56 j0hndeere let's just blow up IE
15:56 Denyerec Perhaps the HMENU has the same thing ?
15:58 neostar Denyerec: well if it's just for the & you could also try to use parseFunc together with htmlSpecialChars where needed
15:59 neostar you can also parse through htmlSpecialChars per data field, instead setting it in general
16:00 tobi Denyerec: NO.stdWrap.htmlSpecialChars = 1 should do the job
16:00 roelof oeps, it's 5 o clock here, i have to feed a baby
16:00 roelof i will come back later
16:00 neostar tobi: that's what I mean, thanks
16:05 uschi hi tobi :)
16:05 eeos hi tobi
16:05 uschi can someone tell me please, what i meant to do with some piece of css i made about half a year ago :-)
16:07 neostar uschi: probably put some comment in half a year ago ;-)
16:07 uschi i forgot about the comment
16:07 uschi forgot the comment, i mean
16:14 tobi hi uschi
16:14 tobi hi eeos
16:20 zat[FarFarAway] ++
16:22 voidus_ Ries: you there?
16:22 eeos voidus_ installed eclipse with the new pdt finally
16:23 voidus_ eeos: i can't get working it's debugger :\
16:23 eeos voidus_ I am not at that stage yet!
16:24 voidus_ hm)
16:27 eeos I have to go, be back later maybe
16:27 eeos :)
16:28 roelof im back, can someone help me ??
16:29 alexwx how to wrap something(span) into A tag, like <a href="?" title="Story"><span>Story... thanx
16:29 uschi the whole linktext shall be wrapped then, alexw?
16:30 uschi done via typolink?
16:31 roelof Does anyone know how to make cag_pagebrowser look, i did everything acccording to the book but nothing shows up
16:31 uschi then it should be
16:32 uschi 5.typolink.wrap = <span>|</span>
16:32 alexwx uschi that A is default by typo3 in it also Story.... but without SPAN tag, i need to put it between the A and the text
16:32 uschi 5.typolink.ATagBeforeWrap = 1
16:33 alexwx uschi ah iok, but i am using also linkWrap = <li>|</li>, that doing mishmash?
16:33 uschi hm, give example markup please
16:33 uschi are you inside a menu?
16:34 alexwx uschi i have just linkWrap = <li>|</li>.,, this is ok, and i need to also put SPAN after A tag
16:34 uschi so <a href="#">text</a><span>something</span>?
16:34 uschi is that what you want?
16:35 Denyerec hey people
16:35 Denyerec in IE7 the Typo3 BE pop menu is busted
16:35 Denyerec Is there a fix for this around anywhere?
16:36 Denyerec Also drag&drop doesn't work in IE7 either.
16:36 Denyerec GO GO MICROSOFT! :/
16:36 uschi do we not all love our favorite browser dearly?
16:36 uschi alexw, is it that what you mean?
16:37 alexwx uschi no,, that i want : <li><a href="?" title="Stores"><span>STORES</span></a></li>
16:37 alexwx uschi thanx
16:37 bedlamhotel Denyerec: version? I have not experienced this, nor have I had any reports of it from clients.
16:37 Denyerec no uschi, we do not :)
16:37 Denyerec bedlamhotel - Checking for you now.
16:37 uschi for what, alexw
16:37 Denyerec 4.0.2
16:37 alexwx uschi TMENU
16:37 uschi ok
16:38 Denyerec I have checked now on 3 machines
16:38 bedlamhotel Denyrec: 4.0.2 should be security upgraded!
16:38 alexwx uschi is it possible?
16:38 oliver Hello everybody !
16:38 uschi yes
16:38 Denyerec To what version bedlamhotel ?
16:38 bedlamhotel 4.0.4
16:38 Denyerec 4.1 ?
16:38 uschi this way:
16:38 Denyerec Ok perhaps 4.0.4 fixed it
16:38 Denyerec I'll get onto my host.
16:38 alexwx uschi thanx
16:38 oliver Is anyone using TemplaVoila under version 1.3.0 ?
16:39 uschi NO.wrap = <li>|</li>
16:39 uschi NO.linkWrap = <span>|</span>
16:39 bedlamhotel Denyrec: http://typo3.org/teams/security/security-bulletins/typo3-20061220-1/
16:40 alexwx uschi i have it now like that, but the wrap doesnt work
16:40 uschi i cannot get my image right
16:40 uschi what do you get?
16:40 uschi post your code to phpfi
16:41 bedlamhotel Denyrec: drag and drop in pagetree works for me in IE7 T3 4.0.4 too. Not sure what drag and drop you were referring to.
16:41 alexwx uschi all without <li>
16:41 uschi post your code to phpfi, alexwx
16:41 uschi because for me it works
16:42 j0hndeere my site's going to have a helpful message on it:
16:42 j0hndeere "This site is designed for Firefox. IE users, do yourself a favor and GARB."
16:42 roelof Sorry, i use version 1.3.0 , Oliver
16:42 oliver roelof : Hello roelof
16:42 alexwx uschi http://phpfi.com/215857
16:43 oliver roelof: I had a problem with that version I had to rollback to 1.2.1
16:43 roelof and i try to make cag_pagebrowser work in TV
16:43 uschi sorry, alexwx, it has to be
16:43 uschi NO.allWrap = <li>|</li>
16:43 oliver roelof: The problem is that when logged in as 'admin' I can't create TV Contents
16:43 uschi i keep forgetting that it has to be allWrap
16:44 roelof sorry, i can't help you, im still learning to use T3
16:44 oliver roelof: : ok
16:44 roelof but what do you mean with TV Contents ??
16:45 oliver roelof: You have "PageTV" on the left menu then select a page then TV contents on the third pane
16:45 alexwx uschi its GREAT ushi thank U yea it is linkWrap, i forgot also
16:45 oliver Can someone explain me the effects of the TS Operator =< instead of < ??
16:47 uschi not really oliver, but i would like to know the answer as well
16:49 roelof Does anyone knows another way to make paginated content pages ??
16:50 oliver roelof: Sorry, but I would be interested to know the first way ?
16:51 just2b uschi + oliver: this is just a reference instead of a copy
16:52 uschi yes, this is what i read, but what does it really mean?
16:52 uschi does it mean that i am working with the referenced object itself and that if i change some value it will be changed in the referenced objekt?
16:52 just2b exactly
16:53 uschi and with a normal copy the original keeps untouched?
16:53 uschi ok, i suppose, then i got it
16:53 uschi somehow
16:53 oliver just2b : For example : a =< b Suppose I modify a, so I modify b ?
16:53 oliver just2b: ; And if I modify b, I modify a ?
16:53 uschi apart from the fact that i never know in which object i am in
16:54 uschi in php this is =& or not?
16:54 just2b don't know
16:54 oliver uschi: : The point is that TS is not an execution but a description language
16:54 uschi now, not exactly
16:54 oliver uschi: Like XML for example
16:55 uschi it is all about passing parameters to php functions
16:55 just2b it's a bit of a mixture
16:55 just2b you can also make selections and queries and checking if a value is there and so on
16:55 uschi one day i will open up the blackbox source code of typo3
16:56 just2b uschi.. it is there.. just go to typo3/ ;)))
16:56 just2b don't be shy
16:56 uschi i know, it is there
16:56 uschi but currently i still like to leave it alone
16:56 just2b :D
16:56 roelof the first way is to use the plugin cag_pagebrowser , oliver
16:56 uschi i had a little fight with the htmlparser
16:56 oliver uschi: Considering the TS language, I prefer not open the T3 Blackbox :-)
16:57 oliver roelof: : thanks
16:57 uschi i need to get my image right
16:57 uschi and i do not get any letters, only a little bit of it
16:57 roelof but that plugin i can't make it work properly :(
16:58 oliver What disappoints me the most about extensions is that they are not translated in french
16:59 oliver And another fact is that the translation tables are not stored always at the same location in different extensions
16:59 roelof Also in Dutch :(
16:59 uschi perhaps because the author does not know any french?
17:00 just2b oliver, there are mostly 2 files where translation are and sorry I don't speak french... so no translation for my extensions
17:00 oliver uschi: Of course. But considering Joomla for example, most of the extensions are french
17:00 just2b but you can translate extensions and send it back to the author.. it is that easy!
17:00 oliver just2b: Of course
17:01 just2b if you are a native speaker and you speak english, it takes 10min to have a translation... so just have a nice evening with some guys and make some translations
17:02 oliver And what disappoints me is that there are so many extensions that "do almost the same thing" that it is hard to get the best extension for the intended use
17:02 just2b backend languages are 32 available as I remember
17:03 just2b this is quite difficult to handle because someone needs a feature which isn't implemented and creates a new extension... it is difficult to decided.... but you will make your way and leaern which extensions are good and needed
17:03 Suncho anyone know how to make the typoscript property lookup window able to be resized?
17:04 oliver just2b: For example, let's suppose I need a "login-form with FE user management and remember me checkbox". How do I find such an extension ?
17:04 just2b you go to http://typo3.org/extensions and search for login
17:05 Denyerec thanks bedlamhotel
17:05 Denyerec Do you think this will fix IE7 being broken, though ?
17:05 oliver just2b: I have nearly 50 matches :-)
17:05 oliver just2b: I then do a find "remember" on the results page and no match :-(
17:05 just2b you can extend with fe_user
17:06 just2b forget these with date of 2005
17:07 oliver just2b: Yes :-)
17:07 just2b i couldn'T remember any of these with a "remember me" function so i just used google with "typo3 login "remember me"" and 4th entry says that arotea_loginbox uses this... maybe still a try even if it is from 2004
17:08 just2b german community is quite good and strong so you will get many help there. don't know how this is in france
17:08 just2b and you can still ask here or wherever you want
17:08 just2b just don't write mails to me :D
17:09 oliver just2b: ok thx :-)
17:09 Denyerec ah
17:10 Denyerec turns out the IE7 issue was resolved in 4.0.3
17:10 Denyerec Thanks again bedlamhotel
17:11 bedlamhotel Denyerec: NP.
17:12 just2b who uses 4.0.3 if there is a 4.0.5?
17:13 oliver just2b: Is it mandatory to upgrade ? :-)
17:14 just2b there was a secuirty bugfix between 0.4. and .0.5 so you should, yes
17:14 oliver just2b: : I have 4.1
17:15 just2b would be ok too ;)
17:15 oliver just2b: ;-)
17:16 ndee if you want to make a new sysfolder, is the only way over new -> page inside and then change page to Sysfolder?
17:16 oliver What is the minimal budget for a Typo3-driven web site (for a 30 persons association for example) ?
17:16 bedlamhotel just2b: the security fix was version 4.0.4.
17:17 just2b nedee: here a several buttons/links for a new page but you always need to change it after to sysfolder
17:17 ndee just2b: ah ok, just wanted to make sure
17:17 just2b ok sry bdlamhotel
17:17 ndee would be AWESOME if you could directly select a Sysfolder :D
17:18 just2b @bdlamhotel: no sry > http://typo3.org/teams/security/security-bulletins/typo3-20070221-1/ > was fixed in 4.0.5
17:18 just2b ndee: you can't IMO
17:18 uschi http://uni1.ttypista.datenwolken.net/typo3temp/GB/4b2239d249.gif
17:18 just2b oliver: I need a car, how much whould this cost... you understand what i mean?
17:18 uschi why does my gif look so ugly?
17:19 oliver just2b: Yes but comparing a Typo3-web site to a Joomla-web site, it's like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford
17:20 oliver just2b: So the budget for Typo3 should be greater than for Joomla
17:20 just2b uschi, because of transparent background?
17:21 uschi no background color is set
17:21 bedlamhotel uschi: using niceText?
17:21 just2b oliver: you can't compare these 2... and budget has to be greater if more things have to be done or the programmer costs more... but there is no "because typo3 = + 200%
17:22 uschi no
17:22 bedlamhotel uschi: scaling image?
17:22 just2b uschi, maybe posting your ts would be better than guessing?
17:22 uschi ok :-)
17:22 just2b just as idea
17:22 uschi it is not finished yet, but first i need to get the image right
17:23 oliver just2b: Hmm, I'm not sure. The Typo3 learning curve is really a big investment compared to ready-to-go solutions like Joomla
17:23 bedlamhotel uschi: sometimes, depending on the font, the ascenders etc are just too narrow to use at smallish sizes.
17:23 uschi http://phpfi.com/215873
17:23 uschi you mean doing that with a GIFBUILDER?
17:24 just2b oliver: true but it still depends on the features... i can make a 2000€ page with joomla and a 1000€ page with typo3... but i can also make a website wiith typo3 which costs 70.000
17:24 uschi i can do it in fireworks or photoshop
17:24 koomi i can draw you one with pen and paper
17:24 koomi we call it an offline page
17:24 koomi *duck*
17:24 bedlamhotel uschi: don't see a problem with the image, but there is an extra 'px'
17:24 uschi where?
17:24 oliver just2b: yes it depends on the features
17:25 just2b koomi: LOL
17:25 uschi it is the image that looks bad
17:25 uschi and if i do not set any offset, the text just disappears
17:25 uschi out of the top of the image
17:26 oliver I have to go, bye everybody !
17:26 bedlamhotel uschi: "10.wrap = <li id="uplink-parent" style="width:{TSFE:lastImageInfo|0}px height:32px}px">|</li>"
17:26 bedlamhotel end of line...
17:26 uschi not important at the moment
17:26 bedlamhotel uschi: I know :)
17:26 uschi it is the quality of the image itself which worries me
17:27 uschi i have no idea how to get this image as background image, but as long as it looks like this i do not want it
17:27 bedlamhotel uschi: try this making the image 3x or 4x its final size, and then scaling it to intended size.
17:28 uschi how do i do that
17:28 uschi ?
17:28 bedlamhotel uschi: ...and to make it background image is almost exactly what you've already done. Very little needs to change.
17:29 uschi how do i calculate the image to 3 times bigger if i do not know how big it will become
17:29 bedlamhotel SCALE: first just make the image much bigger (so change XY, fontSize, offset)
17:29 uschi so fontsize 36
17:30 bedlamhotel yes. Adjust offset etc too.
17:30 uschi ok
17:30 uschi i never liked our font
17:30 bedlamhotel then add a new object on the GIFBUILDER object: 20.file.1000 = SCALE
17:31 bedlamhotel 20.file.1000.height = 19
17:31 bedlamhotel uschi: it may or may not help :)
17:32 uschi and the width will be scaled as well then?
17:33 just2b scale has a bug which produces always (ugly) gifds
17:34 just2b oh sry was crop
17:36 uschi look, this XY means width and height
17:36 uschi right?
17:37 uschi so shall i take the fontsize for width and height?
17:40 uschi now i do not get an image at all :-(
17:44 uschi it says i have an image of sie 1x1
17:44 bedlamhotel XY should work the same way as you have it now.
17:44 uschi yes, but i do not get an image any more
17:45 uschi or better a 1px gif
17:45 bedlamhotel Make sure offset is changed. Might be worthwhile to do without the scale and just create a big image first. Once that's working, you can add the SCALE object.
17:45 uschi this is what i am doing
17:45 uschi but where should the offset start?
17:46 uschi XY = [36.w],[36.h]
17:46 uschi 10.fontSize = 36
17:46 uschi 10.offset=36,36
17:47 bedlamhotel top left is zero point
17:47 bedlamhotel ...and baseline left of the text I believe.
17:47 uschi this is what i tried at the beginning
17:48 bedlamhotel uschi: wait--that XY makes no sense. The number in [36.w] should be /10/
17:48 bedlamhotel it's a reference to the text object!
17:49 uschi ah, yeah, i remember
17:49 uschi shit
17:49 uschi this is what i wrote in my comment to that line *grumbles*
17:50 bedlamhotel *L*
17:52 bedlamhotel If I may quote myself, 'typoscript is neither arbitrary nor regular'. Which makes doing it from memory a serious pain in...somewhere.
17:53 uschi image looks alright now
17:54 uschi apart from the fact, that the background color is wrong
17:54 uschi it is bluish now, and i need my yellow
17:54 uschi my pale yellow
17:54 uschi the big image, i mean
17:55 uschi AND: i wanted to have it uppercased
17:55 uschi why is my NO.stdWrap.upper = 1 not accepted
17:56 uschi i will make this my motto
17:57 uschi bedlamhotel, why does it not accept my backColor?
18:02 ks hi
18:02 ks can I disable or change this: '_TRANSFORM_bodytext' => 'RTE', cause seems it breaks existing html
18:03 bedlamhotel uschi: code?
18:03 uschi wb Denyere
18:04 uschi http://phpfi.com/215885
18:04 uschi hm, i have never heard of this one ks?
18:05 uschi do you mean text that comes from RTE is displayed differently in frontend?
18:06 bedlamhotel uschi: a related question: will there eventually be more than one item in this TMENU?
18:06 uschi no
18:07 bedlamhotel so, why the TMENU?
18:07 uschi but you have to do it as special=list because using CONTENT or RECORDS will cause problems with a multilingual site
18:08 ks nm found this http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_core_api/4.0.0/view/5/2/
18:08 uschi for each of my portals i know the id of the parent page
18:09 smurfslayer hi there
18:09 uschi ks, i still do not understand what you need to know
18:09 uschi these transformations are a nightmare
18:10 bedlamhotel Ok, I get it.
18:10 smurfslayer i asked that already yesterday.. but maybe today i'll get an answer... i use typo3 with the standard doctype (4.0) but the meta tags typo3 generates, are using xhtml tags .. <meta ... /> .. <-- can anyone tell me how to say typo3 to use html tags for meta?
18:11 uschi hm, i cannot, but may i ask why you are using 4.0?
18:11 ks uschi i'm writing an import of about 3000 html pages into typo3, and encounter problems with RTE breaking original pages
18:12 smurfslayer it was not my decision to use 4.0 :)
18:12 smurfslayer i would use xhtml
18:12 uschi poor guy
18:12 bedlamhotel uschi: typoscript is neither arbitrary nor regular :-D
18:12 uschi you have to teach the RTE to leave your code alone
18:12 uschi *L*
18:13 ks well my question was about different RTE modes
18:13 uschi those html pages you are going to import
18:13 bedlamhotel 1.NO.stdWrap.upper = 1 makes no sense. Should be 1.NO.stdWrap.case = upper
18:13 uschi they do exist
18:13 uschi there is mode ts_css which really changes a lot of stuff
18:14 jdash Does anyone know a good way to determine a person's connection speed on a splash page and then direct them to a different TemplaVoila template depending on speed? (one for high-speed connection another for dialup)?
18:14 uschi and there is (was it called) ts_image which only does something if images are concerned
18:14 uschi you can even write your own parser ks
18:14 uschi and bypass the mainparser
18:15 ks uschi yeah i'm looking for some mode that preserves input html unchanged
18:15 just2b anyone used mailformplus to upload multiple files?
18:15 ks or transforms it only for display
18:15 uschi check the transformation doks for ts_css
18:15 uschi there you will find the otherones
18:15 roelof hello everyone
18:16 uschi i cannot remember the correct name, but i suppose the ts_img or so is what could serve you well
18:16 roelof anyone who is into cag_pagebrowser and TV ?
18:16 uschi bedlamhotel, do you know what happens to my backColor?
18:17 jdash nobody? :(
18:17 bedlamhotel uschi: yes. It's on the wrong object. Should be a property of GIFBUILDER object.
18:18 roelof i dont know what your problem is, Jdash
18:18 jdash Does anyone know a good way to determine a person's connection speed on a splash page and then direct them to a different TemplaVoila template depending on speed? (one for high-speed connection another for dialup)?
18:18 jdash sorry...I posted it before you logged in
18:18 uschi again *sniff*
18:19 smurfslayer hm there must be a way to get rid of these />
18:19 uschi but at least i know what is my mistake now
18:19 uschi convince your customer to keep them *g*
18:20 smurfslayer good idea ;)
18:20 smurfslayer "HTML errors are cool!"
18:20 roelof sorry, i didn't know if you can determine a person
18:20 uschi i know, i am full of them these days
18:20 roelof 's connection speed by downloading something
18:20 jdash wait a second...are you trying to validate your code? what's the problem?
18:21 uschi 4.0 does not allow closed meta tags?
18:22 jdash you want to get rid of "/>" on a meta tag? why?
18:23 bedlamhotel TYPO3 does not do a good job of allowing HTML 4.01 output. Read my arguments with the core devs on the .dev for more info.
18:23 smurfslayer since the doctype is html 4 and not xhtml, jdash
18:23 reber hi
18:23 reber all
18:23 jdash ah...didn't se that part
18:23 reber :)
18:23 jdash *see
18:23 jdash why not go with an XHTML strict doctype?
18:23 uschi cannot you use at least 4.1?
18:23 bedlamhotel It /should/ be configurable in the few places where TYPO3 outputs non-configurable code, but it isn't.
18:23 uschi because his customer wants crap
18:24 bedlamhotel Uschi: not without post processing as with tidy etc.
18:24 smurfslayer .. havta go.. bbl ;)
18:24 jdash lol, the life of working with clients...it's not hard to get Typo3 to validate XHTML strict...
18:24 bedlamhotel sorry, think I misunderstood your question.
18:24 roelof anyone who can help me with my problem ??
18:25 jdash doesn't look like it is our lucky dad roelof...
18:25 jdash *day
18:25 roelof no, i puzzle a few days and ask in the mailing list and no luck :(
18:26 jdash what is "cag_pagebrowser" not sure?
18:26 roelof with cag_pagebrowser you can make paginated pages
18:27 uschi bedlamhotel, background is back
18:27 bedlamhotel Hurrah :)
18:27 uschi can you tell me, why my text is not uppercase?
18:27 uschi again the wrong object path?
18:27 roelof so the user sees something like this < 1 2 3 4 .... >
18:27 jdash are you trying to make text in a GIFBUILDER uppercase uschi?
18:28 uschi yes, the value comes out of a tmenuitem
18:28 uschi so i did NO.stdWrap.upper = 1
18:28 uschi but nothing happens
18:28 jdash it took me a while to figure that one out...hold on...I'll get the code for you
18:29 bedlamhotel uschi: 11:16:04
18:29 uschi merci, jdash :)
18:29 uschi what?
18:29 bedlamhotel or 8:16:04
18:29 jdash 10.text.case = upper
18:29 bedlamhotel uschi: I told you a while back already :)
18:30 uschi shit, jdash, bedlamhotel already told me and i missed it
18:30 jdash ah, okay
18:30 jdash np
18:30 uschi sorry, bedlamhotel
18:30 bedlamhotel s'ok
18:30 jdash anyone know of an ext that I could get to do what I want?
18:30 uschi too many things in mind at once
18:30 roelof im sorry, Jdash
18:31 ks how do I know a range of possible values for '_TRANSFORM_bodytext' => 'RTE', ?
18:32 roelof im making a sort of live story of my daugther and i need something like this < 1 2 3 ... 6 7 >, Anyone knows another way to achieve something like this ?
18:32 uschi wait, i will find out for you
18:32 ks didn't find it in docs
18:32 uschi perhaps i found it in the code itself
18:33 bedlamhotel KS: tt_news or Robert Lemke's office importer can do this, and you can do it with HMENU too (special = browse)
18:34 uschi yeah, bedlamhotel but he wants to leave the RTE to leave the code alone or better the parser on the way DB=>RTE and back again
18:34 uschi and there is one, that achieves this
18:35 bedlamhotel I was just referring to pagination. Nothing to do with RTE unless I'm totally misunderstanding what's happening (quite possible).
18:35 uschi ah
18:39 roelof but, paginaton is my problem , not the problem of KS
18:39 uschi poor bedlamhotel :)
18:40 bedlamhotel uschi & roelof: dyslexics of the world untie!
18:40 bedlamhotel [In other words, I am having trouble reading apparently.]
18:40 uschi *gickers*
18:41 roelof is oke for me, Bedlamton
18:41 uschi well, obviously i have the same problem
18:41 uschi i am sure i once knew the solution for the problem of ks but i cannot find it
18:42 roelof maybe i will try to use tt-news but then i can't use the menu as i want
18:43 roelof for menu i use the foldout menu plugin
18:43 bedlamhotel roelof: try the browse menu. It's not too difficult.
18:47 uschi give me some more time, ks
18:47 uschi it exists, i am sure, i only have to find it
18:49 roelof i can't find that in the TER, Bedlamton :(
18:52 uschi ks, here they are
18:52 uschi http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_core_api/4.0.0/view/5/2/
18:52 uschi search for ts_links, this should be alright
18:53 uschi bedlamhotel there is too much antialias
18:54 bedlamhotel roelof: TER? It's just TS. Check the .special section of HMENU in the TSref: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/4.0.0/view/8/11/
18:54 bedlamhotel uschi: can I see?
18:54 uschi after scale: http://uni1.ttypista.datenwolken.net/typo3temp/GB/3587fa26ad.gif
18:55 uschi it should have the same optics as ERFURT
18:55 uschi the same look, i mean
18:57 bedlamhotel Uschi: tricky. You may be able to fix it by fiddling with the scale factor (i.e. does 2x work best? 4x?), and by adjusting the size of the original (prior to resizing). Fonts do not display equally well at all sizes in GIFBUILDER objects.
18:58 uschi i wonder whether the whole scaling thing is unneccessary if i do not have anti alias in the small one
18:58 pulponair uschi: font rendering issues?
18:59 uschi yes
18:59 pulponair uschi: what kind of?
18:59 uschi this is what i want to achieve
19:00 jdash have you tried "niceText"?
19:00 pulponair uschi: what is the problem actually?
19:00 uschi http://uni1.ttypista.datenwolken.net/fileadmin/templates/content.html
19:00 uschi this is what i currently get
19:00 uschi http://uni1.ttypista.datenwolken.net/typo3temp/GB/3587fa26ad.gif
19:00 pulponair uschi: yes go on
19:00 uschi there is too much antialias
19:01 pulponair uschi: ttf or ps font?
19:01 uschi i made the image thrice as big
19:01 uschi ttf
19:01 pulponair uschi: try ps
19:01 uschi i do not have it
19:01 pulponair uschi: usually has better outlines wanna see a sample?
19:01 uschi yes
19:01 pulponair ok stay tuned i ll prepare one
19:04 pulponair uschi: check query please?
19:05 uschi mom phone pulponair
19:06 bedlamhotel uschi: try an /even/ number for scale (possible that /3 requires more interpolation by IM than /2 /4)...
19:06 roelof oke, i will try something and wish everyone a good afternoon ??
19:20 uschi ok, bedlamhotel, ill try
19:20 uschi so scale by 2 or 4
19:21 uschi but there must be a way to switch the antialias of?
19:54 bedlamhotel uschi: {GIFBUILDER}.antiAlias = 0 # It's 1 by default
19:55 uschi i know by know, but it is still ugly
19:59 Boonkerz hello
19:59 Boonkerz my girlfriend will spend images for typo3
19:59 Boonkerz login or whatever
19:59 Boonkerz who is right guy for this :D
20:01 koomi what kind of images are we talking about?
20:02 Boonkerz http://www.flickr.com/photos/boonkerz
20:02 Boonkerz but i can make other
20:03 Boonkerz with the right topic :)
20:03 Denyerec [20:00] <Boonkerz> my girlfriend will spend images for typo3 ?
20:03 Denyerec I don't understand
20:04 Denyerec Look like Canon photos though
20:04 Boonkerz yes
20:04 Boonkerz for login screen
20:04 Denyerec Heh, so they are :)
20:04 Boonkerz as example
20:04 Denyerec Ahh right, you can replace that in your installation easily enough
20:05 Denyerec I dont know how you do it via an extension, I modified the source :(
20:06 Boonkerz no i mean for future versions
20:07 just2b you want a be login styled?
20:07 Boonkerz no :)
20:08 Denyerec Deneyrec would. As it would be neat to be able to just brand it a little for the target company,
20:08 just2b ok just guessing.. missed the discussion, don't be disturbed ;)
20:09 uschi bedlam: 10.text.antiAlias = 0
20:09 uschi this is right, or not?
20:09 uschi still looks really ugly
20:21 koomi uschi: ugly gif?
20:21 uschi yes :-((
20:21 koomi perhaps you could change the indexed colors
20:21 koomi or increase the number of colors in the palette
20:21 uschi yes??!???
20:21 uschi how?
20:21 koomi no idea :)
20:22 koomi just a thought
20:22 uschi what are you talking about?
20:22 koomi sometimes gif look crappy because the number of colors in the gif is not enough/not a good choice
20:22 koomi so you get ugly aliasing
20:22 voidus_ gif is always 255 bit
20:22 koomi nope
20:22 just2b with crope it is about very low bit ;)
20:22 voidus_ i mean, one byte for color..
20:23 koomi voidus_: just looked it up. i think you're right
20:23 koomi uschi: that's what i was going on about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gif#Palettes
20:23 voidus_ so, if you need more, you'd use png or jpg
20:24 uschi png with gifbuilder
20:24 koomi ie has severe problems with png (transparency)
20:25 uschi no transparancy needed
20:27 uschi i could try niceText with sharpen
20:27 voidus_ uschi: http://codeline.richmd.ru/?p=11 sorry for russian, but all is understandable i think
20:28 uschi hey, that looks great
20:28 uschi the first gif up there
20:29 uschi dla togo utobi etc
20:29 uschi a no, its text
20:29 andreasbalzer hi!
20:29 uschi ok, i will check my config
20:29 andreasbalzer i have a problem
20:30 voidus_ andreasbalzer: which one?
20:30 uschi you are not alone, andreasbalzer
20:30 andreasbalzer A page that's created by user A in the draf workspace isn't viewable by user b in the workspace
20:30 uschi perhaps we should go out and have a beer
20:30 andreasbalzer both users are in group 'gimmeaccess'
20:30 andreasbalzer and this one has access to every page via access module..
20:30 andreasbalzer why doesn't the workspace work?
20:31 voidus_ andreasbalzer: and both work in draft workspace?
20:31 uschi i want to try this nicetext thing first
20:31 uschi and if not i will try png
20:31 andreasbalzer voidus: yes
20:32 uschi where does niceText go? it is the textsubgifbuilder object, right?
20:34 bedlamhotel uschi: niceText goes on text object, antiAlias goes on GIFBUILDER.
20:34 uschi aha
20:35 uschi so 10.text.niceText = 1?
20:35 andreasbalzer voidus: any idea?
20:36 uschi antiAlias to the same place then as backColor, right, bedlamhotel ?
20:36 voidus_ andreasbalzer: hm.. i think, they should see elements created by others in draft... maybe in versioning module..
20:36 voidus_ but i am not sure - maybe you should create custom workspace for this
20:36 andreasbalzer hmm..
20:36 andreasbalzer good idea
20:36 null_ good evening
20:37 Denyerec voidus -do you know how easy it is to make an extension that changes the appearance of the login form, or indeed what is involved?
20:37 Denyerec I've no idea where to start reading :/
20:37 voidus_ Denyerec: hm.. what do you need to change?
20:38 voidus_ Denyerec: newloginbox have template..
20:49 uschi bedlamhotel, could you have a look at my code again?
20:50 uschi because nothing takes any effect, so my commands might be in the wrong position again
20:50 uschi http://phpfi.com/215937
21:32 uschi shit, do you think a have at least a slight chance to get this font rendering right?
21:32 uschi because the whole design is ....
21:32 uschi somehow fucked up
21:48 bedlamhotel uschi: was fixing some problems here. Tip: never use Drupal if you can help it. Does your font-rendering work yet?
21:48 uschi no, there is another problem
21:48 uschi so first things first:
21:49 uschi the text has to look like the wordmark (how is that part of a logo called in english)
21:49 uschi our font is vectora lh roman
21:49 uschi it is not really designed for screen
21:49 bedlamhotel it's "wordmark" in english :)
21:50 uschi great
21:50 uschi so call that part of the design the "second wordmark"
21:50 bedlamhotel right. common problem. And you need this throughout for navigation?
21:50 uschi the problem is not only about the font, but also about letterspacing
21:50 uschi even if i get a decent sharp rendering of the font
21:51 bedlamhotel letterspacing in GIFBUILDER: do NOT even TRY. You'll get old before your time.
21:51 uschi letter spacing seems to be something that cannot be done at all
21:51 uschi i realised that
21:51 bedlamhotel Can be, but not in any intelligent way.
21:51 uschi yes, because you can define the pixels between letters but this looks, well
21:51 uschi you get enormous spaces
21:52 bedlamhotel (I often restrict gifbuilder objects to monospaced fonts for these reasons)
21:52 uschi impossible solution in our case
21:52 uschi that means we have to produce those f... grafix ourselves
21:53 uschi and then we have to save them somewhere and the output has to be language dependent
21:53 bedlamhotel Yes, I got that. And these gifbuilder objects a) must be graphics, and b) must be dynamic?
21:53 uschi good night :-((
21:53 uschi yes, i tried to use the normal font (Arial Unicode MS), but that spoils the CI
21:55 bedlamhotel Right. Sorry, I don't have much by way of suggestions. GIFBUILDER is great (one of the biggest reasons I started trying out TYPO3), but for some things it's just too blunt an instrument.
21:55 uschi so if we produce those graphics manually, then where to store them and how to implement the multilingual thing
21:55 uschi producing those grafix is one thing
21:56 bedlamhotel Storing them is easy enough--anywhere in fileadmin should do. But look: you were going to use them for image replacement with css (i.e. as background images?), right?
21:56 uschi time consuming at first, but in the end it can be done
21:56 uschi yes
21:56 bedlamhotel So here--in outline--is a strategy:
21:56 uschi :-))
21:56 uschi lang dependent, mind you
21:58 bedlamhotel 1. Use TS to ouptut the text--you're already doing this,
21:58 bedlamhotel 2. Use TS to output CSS /according to the current language/
21:58 bedlamhotel 3. Name your graphics in a predictable way and use the pattern in TS
21:58 bedlamhotel In other words, make EVERYTHING except the graphics themselves dynamic.
21:58 uschi ok, sure
21:59 bedlamhotel for css, I picture something like this:
22:02 bedlamhotel HTML:
22:02 bedlamhotel <body class="fr">
22:02 bedlamhotel <h1 id="h1_123">Bonjour</h1>
22:02 bedlamhotel CSS:
22:02 bedlamhotel #h1_123 { background-image:url(...); }
22:02 bedlamhotel .fr #h1_123 { background-image:url(...); }
22:02 bedlamhotel Depends a lot on exactly WHAT needs to be made multilingual, but if it's things like headers etc, it should be doable.
22:03 uschi the problem again is that the bgimage changes from portal to portal
22:03 uschi this has to be defined per portal *sniff*
22:04 uschi it is sort of a link to a 'parent_page'
22:05 uschi can we talk about this again?
22:05 uschi because i have to go to bed
22:05 uschi i have to get up at 6 and had not enough sleep last night
22:05 uschi and it is exam time
22:06 uschi you know, i thougt about abusing such a locallang file for configuring the stuff
22:06 uschi but you are right, it can be done with a naming concept
22:07 uschi there is also a problem, that a 'subportal' might need languages the parent_page does not exist in
22:07 uschi heya Ries
22:08 uschi just thought of it
22:09 uschi i am using DAM
22:09 bedlamhotel Well, how much of a problem IS that, considering the total amount of development work? Are portals added/changed so often that it would be an immense maintenance job to add extension templates for each portal?
22:09 uschi this is exactly the question that i ask myself :)
22:09 bedlamhotel Midnight on the continent?
22:09 uschi nearly
22:09 bedlamhotel One TS template is more elegant, but engineering cannot always be elegant :)
22:10 uschi 40 minutes left
22:10 uschi can be done via constants, i suppose
22:10 uschi have to think about it and talk to my mates
22:10 bedlamhotel Oh right. Stupid new daylight savings rules here. Who cares about the rest of the world?
22:10 uschi :-))
22:11 uschi how late is it on the british iles?
22:11 uschi keep mixing that one up
22:12 bedlamhotel Not sure--I'm in Vancouver.
22:12 uschi ah, ok
22:12 uschi and there it is something around 8pm?
22:12 bedlamhotel 3:15.
22:13 bedlamhotel 15:15
22:13 uschi funny how far away you are
22:13 uschi i see, so you go to bed, when i get up :-)
22:13 bedlamhotel A long way from TYPO3 central. Yep.
22:14 Ries Hey uschi, Internet is even worse then yesterday! I didn't even bother to get on the net...
22:14 Ries I ordered from a other provder a faster internet
22:14 Ries $112 for 256Kbs......
22:14 uschi and?
22:14 uschi wow
22:14 bedlamhotel Ries: what kind of $ are those?
22:15 uschi great, that is what i call speed
22:15 Ries bedlamhotel: USD
22:15 uschi boah
22:15 uschi per year?
22:15 Ries uschi: hahahhahaha.... per MONTH
22:15 bedlamhotel Ries: I feel faint.
22:16 uschi so do i
22:16 uschi this is incredible
22:16 uschi you must be a very patient person
22:18 bedlamhotel Holy cow.
22:18 uschi this sounds like rubbery to me
22:18 uschi robbery it is, right?
22:19 uschi there he is again
22:19 bedlamhotel Robbery, yes. Rubbery=like rubber :)
22:19 Ries uschi: I don't care much if I pay 50 or 100
22:19 brain-xy does somebody know how i could reverse the menu? .. i got some images divided by || and need to go from the last to the front.. any idea?
22:19 Ries as long is it is stable
22:19 uschi how can you do your work under these circumstances Ries
22:19 Ries uschi: it's difficult
22:20 uschi the one you have right now is not stable, obviously
22:21 uschi anyway, i have to go to bed and leave you all alone far out there in the world
22:22 bedlamhotel Good night.
22:22 uschi night :)
22:23 uschi beldlamhotel, there is one other prob with statical graphics
22:23 uschi static
22:23 uschi the negative version
22:23 uschi you would have to produce them twice *sniff*
22:24 bedlamhotel Mouseover?
22:25 uschi no, but if i have a negative css for accessibility reasons
22:25 bedlamhotel Oh, that's what you meant by 'negative css' yesterday.
22:25 uschi obviously i have to do those graphics in those colors
22:25 bedlamhotel You know what you could TRY?
22:25 uschi what?
22:27 bedlamhotel Feed GIFBUILDER the original and use .invert on it. I don't actually know what the results would look like though. You might also be able to do a trick with masking using the original so that you only ever needed to produce one...
22:27 uschi hm, sounds at least worth trying
22:28 uschi we need more manpower
22:28 uschi or in our case, more woman power
22:28 bedlamhotel (sorry, invert belongs to EFFECT which is a GIFBUILDER object)
22:28 bedlamhotel Are you the only person building that site?
22:29 uschi at least i am the one with the most capabilities in terms of building websites
22:29 uschi in the end, there are three of us
22:29 bedlamhotel Aha.
22:29 uschi great, don't you think so?
22:30 bedlamhotel Superb :)
22:30 uschi and i am really short of time, and if you are short of time, you tend not to delegate things
22:31 bedlamhotel Indeed.
22:31 uschi i like doing it, but at times i am a bit frustrated
22:31 uschi like today
22:32 uschi to keep the engine running, i will do a preliminary thing for that second wordmark
22:32 bedlamhotel I never looked, by the way; did you ever look into using filemounts to help with your menu organization? You could use them to give the BE page tree a different structure from the FE, but retain the desired FE organization.
22:32 uschi you mean mountpoints, do you?
22:33 uschi it does not really help in this case
22:34 bedlamhotel Sorry, yes. Mountpoints. Not useful then?
22:34 uschi no, not really
22:35 uschi they would only complicate the whole situation
22:35 uschi and the menu works fine now
22:35 uschi only one thing left: if you are in the portals service folder, than entryLevel =
22:35 uschi this is something still to be done
22:36 uschi and the second_wordmark and the portal_title
22:36 uschi i hope at least that one can be done in gifbuilder
22:36 uschi i have to go, definitely, and now
22:36 bedlamhotel heh :) Can't all be accomplished in one day.
22:38 Denyerec newloginbox!
22:39 Denyerec I should have known there was already an extension fo rit
22:41 Ries boy I am heaving so much fin
22:41 Ries fun
22:41 null_ fine :)
22:42 tansta hi all
22:42 tansta :)
22:42 null_ thta sounds good. fun for everyone :)
22:42 tansta does anyone know if tt_news set its own path to image magic folder on linux ?
22:42 tansta for some reason i can upload images
23:02 uschi bedlamhotel?
23:02 uschi no, good night, enough for today
23:05 bedlamhotel Yes?
23:06 uschi what i would like to know apart from the ugly image, how to get it into my styles
23:06 uschi you know, the wrapthingy
23:06 uschi just to know how it works
23:07 bedlamhotel TMENU. Got 5 minutes, or do you want to go to bed?
23:07 uschi i think, i would like to know this before i go to bed
23:07 tansta does anyone know why the image gets uploaded to the right folder but tt_news cant reference it ?
23:07 uschi i will feel better then
23:08 bedlamhotel is it something like 1 image per page (for some arbitrary selection of pages)?
23:08 uschi the portal has a constant {$uplink_id}
23:09 uschi so itself and all its subpages will have this text
23:09 uschi or was that for tansta?
23:09 tansta me ?
23:09 tansta what did i do wrong ?
23:09 bedlamhotel uschi: for you
23:09 bedlamhotel 2 or 3 minutes.
23:09 tansta hehehe :)
23:12 uschi bedlamhotel, just if you need it, here is my current code
23:12 uschi the whole wrapperstuff is not to be taken seriously
23:12 uschi http://phpfi.com/215978
23:19 bedlamhotel Uschi: just a how-to to describe the concept: http://phpfi.com/215979
23:20 Denyerec usssssssssssssssssssssssssschiiiiiiiii
23:20 Denyerec uschi :)
23:20 bedlamhotel It could definitely be made tidier, and the css selector is not dynamic, but this was off the top of my head.
23:20 Denyerec Did you get to the bottom of the FCE headers in the end ?
23:20 Denyerec I recall a peice of TS from somewhere that added them in but I don't recall if that was the final solution or not.
23:20 bedlamhotel If you want to see an implementation of it, check out my BH FIR Tools extension (a couple of big TS templates in it).
23:21 uschi more or less, but not tried out yet
23:21 bedlamhotel uschi: plus, I've misnumbered 15 and 20.
23:21 uschi i think it is
23:22 uschi what does this wrap = #foo mean?
23:22 bedlamhotel uschi: CSS selector. That code will build something like this:
23:23 uschi and how do i get the text of the pagetitle in my accessibility span?
23:23 bedlamhotel #foo { background-image:url(...); height:18px; }
23:23 uschi ah it goes into the header then?
23:23 bedlamhotel This is ONLY making CSS. You'll build your actual menus with another TS object.
23:23 uschi aaah, i see
23:24 bedlamhotel Yes. The part I left out is something like page.headerData.5 < lib.pageTitlesCSS
23:24 uschi ok, got it :)
23:24 uschi if we are writing css, i understand
23:24 uschi i was missing some markup
23:25 bedlamhotel It might help if you read the manual for the extension I mentioned above and looked at the TS templates in it. TSFE:lastImgResource was not implemented when I wrote that, but otherwise it works exactly like what I'm describing here.
23:26 uschi you mentioned an extension? must have overlooked that
23:26 bedlamhotel http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1%5Bview%5D=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1%5Bsword%5D=BH+FIR+tools
23:27 uschi Denyerec, we have to do the TCA thing
23:27 bedlamhotel (it's what makes the menus and h1s on the site I showed you yesterday)
23:27 uschi what is a FIR object?
23:28 uschi ok
23:28 bedlamhotel Fahrner Image Replacement
23:28 bedlamhotel + object
23:28 Denyerec Hmm, ok uschi
23:28 Denyerec reading up on the newloginbox
23:28 uschi hm, and what is Fahrner Image Replacement, should i know that?
23:28 Denyerec seems it adds a loginbox to the FE, rather than allowing me to skin the normal BE login at www.mysite.com/typo3/
23:28 Denyerec FIR is just shifting your text out of the way and displaying an image instead
23:29 Denyerec it's what GIFBuilder headings SHOULD do, but don't.
23:29 uschi ah
23:29 Denyerec GIFBuilder headings as standard really hurt SEO, as images as headings is a really bad idea.
23:29 bedlamhotel Correct. Denyrec, you can do them now. Check out the extension I linked to just above ^^^
23:30 bedlamhotel Sometime soon I will modify it so that it ONLY uses TS.
23:30 uschi and since i am a good girl i do not want to hurt neither seo nor accessibility
23:30 Denyerec I will wait for your modification as I don't need it right now
23:30 Denyerec what I *DO* need is accesskeys on my top TS menu, and some other bits and bobs
23:31 bedlamhotel Uschi: do you follow the concept?
23:32 uschi no, not really
23:32 uschi i am looking at the setup.txt of that fir thing
23:32 bedlamhotel It's looooooooooong.
23:32 uschi yours was halfway through clear to me
23:32 uschi true
23:33 uschi too long for me tonight i suppose
23:33 Denyerec hey bedlamhotel
23:33 bedlamhotel and lots of < and > ...probably hard to follow.
23:33 Denyerec I upgraded to 4.0.4 as you suggested
23:33 bedlamhotel Denyrec: yes?
23:33 Denyerec and my COnstants Editor has disappeared
23:33 Denyerec In the template module, the dropdown now only has 3 options
23:33 Denyerec instead of the usual 4
23:33 bedlamhotel Install the fourth. It's there in the extension manager.
23:34 Denyerec Ah so now it's an extension itself?
23:34 Denyerec OK.
23:34 Ries Denyerec: That was not the intention of GIFBUILDER
23:35 Denyerec I know Ries, but people seem to want to use it that way
23:35 Denyerec So I guess it makes sense to adapt.
23:35 Denyerec (adapt it for that use, I mean)
23:35 Denyerec Also newloginbox doesn't alter the normal login, it just provides a FE login box
23:35 Ries Denyerec: I don't see a real reason to do tha actually...
23:35 Ries correct
23:35 Denyerec Mmm, I wanted to style the default login, like SkinGrey does
23:36 Ries I would just make my own form I think...
23:36 Ries But isn't tehre a 'better' login box wit temp,ating and proper CSS styles?
23:36 Ries maxmade or something?
23:36 Ries maxmade
23:36 Ries shit
23:36 Ries macmade
23:37 uschi bedlamhotel, i think, i know what you are doing there
23:38 bedlamhotel Yes? Basically TMENU for styles, TMENU for menu.
23:38 Denyerec WTF
23:38 Denyerec That's not the constant editor I remember
23:38 Denyerec and it says there are no constants, which is clearly wrong.
23:38 Denyerec There used to be a 4th option in the template drop down, Constants Editor. For some reason it's missing, and the extension is just,,, not right.
23:40 bedlamhotel Denyerec: make sure that all of the expected static TS templates are present in your TS template.
23:40 Denyerec Only 2 are listed
23:41 Denyerec CSS style content and Static info tables
23:41 Denyerec both are included
23:41 Denyerec There was nothing for the loginbox and nothing for the constant editor
23:41 Denyerec Quite why the original constant editor disappeared is a total mystery, was it removed 4.0.2 -> 4.0.4 ?
23:42 bedlamhotel In the 4.x series, none of them are installed by default. "installed" just means 'included in a list in typo3conf/localconf.php' though...
23:43 Denyerec It never appeared as a module though
23:43 Denyerec and never required manual installation
23:43 Denyerec it was just on the dropdown list next to "Template analyser"
23:44 bedlamhotel "appeared as a module"? That's NOT what I'm talking about then.
23:44 bedlamhotel You're looking for something lik TEMPLATE > Constant Editor in the EM.
23:45 Denyerec Hmm
23:46 bedlamhotel "Web>Template, Constant Editor" to be precise.
23:47 Denyerec AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
23:47 Denyerec Thankyou once again!
23:47 bedlamhotel What did you install before?
23:49 Denyerec Something called "Constants Editor" had an ugly red icon
23:49 bedlamhotel Hm.
23:49 bedlamhotel uschi: go to bed.
23:54 Denyerec hey bedlamhotel.. all the login extensions talk about adding login forms to the FE
23:54 Denyerec I wish to style http://www.mysite.com/typo3/
23:54 Denyerec Do you know if that's possible ?
23:55 bedlamhotel Denyerec: just use typoscript.
23:55 bedlamhotel Sorry. Not reading right.
23:56 bedlamhotel Possible? Certainly. You're probably going to have to either hack the source or XClass something.
23:56 bedlamhotel You should just check what's in /typo3/index.php for a start...
23:59 Denyerec Hmm
23:59 Denyerec I think perhaps I should not bother
23:59 Denyerec It's a shame, though :(
23:59 Denyerec It would be really really nice to style the main login to match the site.

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