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00:41 Jessica Hello!!!!
00:41 Jessica Ok it's saturdaynight and I have a TMENU problem
00:41 Jessica how bad is that ;)
00:42 Jessica Someone who can make my night?
00:43 Jessica void?
01:17 mayeco hello
01:18 mayeco whats the problem Jessica
01:18 Jessica Well I
01:18 Jessica am making a menu and submenu
01:18 Jessica and the menu generates fine
01:18 Jessica but the submenu isn't
01:18 Jessica any experience with tmenu?
01:19 mayeco yes a little
01:19 mayeco show me something...
01:19 mayeco the website or paste the TS
01:19 Jessica I will paste the TS
01:20 Jessica http://phpfi.com/275271
01:22 Jessica ow I solved the problem already :D
01:51 bekks hi
01:52 bekks have a weird problem ... created an FCE under 4.1.1, designed a field to be an text area for bodytext, but when filling input into that FCE, this field renders as RTE ... how can i prevent this?
01:55 mayeco if I have a table with a field with multiple number of relations with other table how to make a query for just one of this fields?
01:55 mayeco the typo3 stores that fields separated by commas
02:13 bekks where can i read more about the properties of a field in a FCE? having a text area i wont suspect it to be rendered as RTE
02:57 uschi hey Denyerec, my monkey, seems as if you never sleep
02:58 void hi uschi. are Uschi in HCI you?
02:58 uschi no, not that i know
02:58 void uschi, that's shared monkey :)
02:58 uschi but i try to follow the list
02:58 uschi ok, i am inspired to share ;-)
03:00 uschi as soon as this da.... university page is up and running, out of it's baby shoes, i plan to join one or the other group
03:00 uschi why are you asking whether i am a member of hci?
03:00 uschi void?
03:01 Denyerec Hey
03:01 void uschi: just known name..
03:01 Denyerec Uschi, you are not far wrong
03:01 void uschi: for me, every Uschi is you :)
03:01 uschi in which respect, Denyerec
03:01 Denyerec .Sleeping
03:02 uschi no table dance tonight?
03:04 uschi void, Denyerec wanna see a really funny video recommendet by just2b?
03:04 Denyerec I am busy leading a bunch of COmrades to victory
03:04 uschi http://www.metacafe.com/watch/911830/talking_dogs/
03:04 Denyerec BF2 tournament :)
03:04 uschi BF2?
03:05 void Denyerec: hehe.. i like simpler games :)
03:05 Denyerec Battlefield 2.
03:05 uschi aaah
03:05 Denyerec I'm a sucker for 'em
05:58 salamandyr hi, how can one align a form?
06:01 salamandyr i have two t3 sites, one where the contact form is aligned, and one where it isn't, and i cannot figure out what the diff is :)
11:26 tobstar How can it happen that I can create tt_news news with my news user and they show up fine in the normal view, but they never come up in my LATEST view? When I use an admin account, open such a news and just save it (without any changes), it shows up in LATEST immediately
12:02 Ruudi hello
12:02 Ruudi after upgrading mm_forum i get fatal (This module "txmmforumM1" is not enabled in TBE_MODULES ) in be forum admin module, any ideas?
12:06 Ruudi ok cleaning up localconf temp helped :)
12:24 snowman Hi everybody. What is this: The requested page didn't have a proper connection to the tree-root!
12:24 snowman (Illegal Mount Point found in rootline)
12:24 snowman ?
13:07 jameelsandham anyone got some time to talk about typo3?
13:08 snowman <jameelsandham> see topic ;-)
13:11 jameelsandham the topic is typo3 right? :S
13:12 jameelsandham snowman, is there any chance i can ask you a few questions?
13:12 snowman The topic is: Don't ask to ask, just ask!
13:13 Denyerec Hey
13:14 jameelsandham well, my question is, why, when i upload a zip file into fileadmin/template/etc. . . .. .. why cant i unzip it in typo3 backend?
13:14 Denyerec Cos you haven't installed the file zip/unzip extension?
13:15 snowman maybe also cause you just don't allow it on your webserver
13:15 snowman you need execute rights for your webserver
13:15 snowman Hi Denyerec
13:15 jameelsandham i will try the zip/unzip ext :)
13:15 snowman Denyerec did you used Mount Points one time?
13:16 Denyerec Hey snowman
13:16 Denyerec I fiddled with them to see what they'd do
13:16 Denyerec but never used them in anger
13:16 snowman I get a Hi everybody. What is this: The requested page didn't have a proper connection to the tree-root!
13:16 snowman [12:29] <snowman> (Illegal Mount Point found in rootline)
13:16 snowman and don't know why
13:16 Denyerec Um
13:17 Denyerec is it inside a sysfolder that's not below your root page?
13:17 Denyerec check the tree carefully, make sure it can collapse to a single page
13:17 Denyerec brb - driver forcing me to reboot
13:28 jameelsandham snowman: how would you rate your typo3 skills?..... e.g novice, inter , expert...
13:28 snowman between intr and expert
13:31 snowman jameelsandham: why?
13:32 jameelsandham i was going to ask how long you have been working on it, and more questions related to learning.... e.g how long before u built your first site etc
13:34 snowman belongs to the site you are planning to build
13:34 snowman typo3 is kinda live long learning, because you are able to make everything you want
13:35 snowman kinda hard to learn is imho typoscript. but that's important to do
13:35 jameelsandham yeh ive soon realised its endless.......
13:35 jameelsandham sory what does imho stand for?
13:35 snowman no it's not endless
13:35 snowman i my humble opinion
13:35 snowman in not i
13:36 jameelsandham how many years have you been working with typo3?
13:37 snowman i started really working with it decembre last year
13:37 snowman and from there on somekind everyday
13:38 jameelsandham ok, and now are you capeable of creating sites from scratch?
13:40 jameelsandham btw, thanx, the zip/unzip.ext worked :)
13:42 snowman jameelsandham: yes i am. but i was this let's say 2 weeks after starting
13:45 jameelsandham ok well i guess you are a fast learner :)
13:46 jameelsandham no matter how hard i try i just cant seem to get the hang of templating
13:50 jameelsandham sub pages because when i trwhats the fastest way to delete a page with y delete mainpage in the page tree, it sais : error deleting page with sub pages:.... so i have do delete all sub pages and this is SLOW
13:51 jameelsandham wow that sentence messes up somewhere
13:51 jameelsandham i will rephrase it
13:51 snowman i understood
13:51 jameelsandham have you an answer?
13:52 snowman well i never need to delete recursive. but i guess there is a extension for doing this
13:52 jameelsandham lol seems like there is an extension for allmost everything
13:52 jameelsandham thanks i will go look
13:59 Best anyone knows an easy but good fe upload ext?
13:59 Best tried some but i don't like them :/
14:01 jameelsandham what sort of fe ext do u want?
14:02 Best I don't know different sorts, just one where fe users can upload something like an image to use it for news or articles.
14:03 jameelsandham go on the repository and type in ''image upload'' see hwta comes up
14:04 toMeloos argh!
14:04 jameelsandham argh?
14:05 toMeloos I have a problem moving typo3 I can't seem to solve
14:05 jameelsandham explain the problem...
14:06 toMeloos I have shared hosting I was running typo3 on, and was working on a new test environment on my local computer
14:08 toMeloos I just deleted removed everything (in htdocs) on the server, copied the files from my local computer to the server, exported the local database using phpmyadmin, emptied the server database and imported the new one
14:08 toMeloos updated the localconf file to contain the right database settings
14:08 toMeloos result: the backend works fine but all frontend pages are blank
14:09 jameelsandham i have seen a similar problem before. . .. are all template files and configuration correct?
14:09 toMeloos i at least got a db connection error before I updated localconf... went into the installation tool to check and everything seems fine
14:10 toMeloos template files were uploaded as well
14:10 toMeloos it doesn't even display any error message
14:10 jameelsandham just a total blank page?
14:10 toMeloos yep
14:11 toMeloos it works file locally, just not on the server
14:11 toMeloos and I was running typo3 on it succesfully before, so it is supported....
14:12 jameelsandham only thing i can think of, is that the ts config for your template points typo3 looking in wrong direction for templates........
14:12 jameelsandham (sort of thing)
14:12 toMeloos hmm
14:12 jameelsandham if nothing like that then i have no idea
14:12 toMeloos that sounds logical to me
14:13 toMeloos question then is: where do I check that?
14:13 jameelsandham one sec, let me log into my backend and try talk you through it
14:13 toMeloos there are actually two sites on one typo3 installation, one using the traditional templating system and one using templavoila
14:14 jameelsandham are you logged into the be?
14:14 toMeloos both display completely blank pages
14:14 toMeloos yes
14:14 kuckuck hi
14:14 jameelsandham the server be, not the localhost
14:14 kuckuck will there be a 4.1.4 before 4.2?
14:14 toMeloos yes i'm logged in to the server be
14:15 jameelsandham well anyway. click on the root page. / main page, then click the template module,
14:15 jameelsandham not the templavioula one
14:15 toMeloos by the way, if I use the view option in the backend i get blank pages previewed as well (so typo3 seems to be consistently not working!)
14:16 toMeloos done
14:16 jameelsandham click on the little link below the box in middle of the screen that reads "Click here to edit whole template record "
14:16 kuckuck no idea?
14:17 kuckuck no up to date roadmap?
14:17 jameelsandham try find one?
14:18 toMeloos done
14:18 jameelsandham ok one sec
14:18 jameelsandham look at the config box that reads "TypoScript Setup code"
14:19 jameelsandham and copy and paste some of that to here so i can see what it reads
14:20 toMeloos you mean the setup box?
14:21 jameelsandham yeh think so
14:22 toMeloos hmm, that's a lot of code
14:22 toMeloos i should PM that ;)
14:23 toMeloos hold on, small chance this is a template problem
14:24 toMeloos i moved the typo3 installation from the server to local the same way and that worked fine
14:25 toMeloos just copy the files, export&import db and change db settings and i had it working locally
14:25 jameelsandham so you think its a server problem?
14:25 toMeloos now I try to copy a different typo3 installation from local to the server by copying the files and doing a db export&import and it won't work
14:26 jameelsandham chances are its a server problem then right?
14:26 toMeloos probably a general typo3 configuration problem i guess
14:26 toMeloos there are 2 main differences: php and mysql versions
14:27 toMeloos local: php5 and mysql 5
14:27 toMeloos server: php 4 and mysql 3
14:27 toMeloos could that be a problem?
14:27 jameelsandham oooh that could yes
14:28 jameelsandham quite an out of date server :O
14:28 jameelsandham why dont they have ver 5
14:28 toMeloos redhat
14:29 jameelsandham how much do they charge ? (just wondering)..... dont answer if you dont want too
14:29 toMeloos too much
14:30 toMeloos i think it's about 5 euro per month for 100mb
14:32 jameelsandham thats not that bad, ...... how is their customer support? e.g will make the sever php 5 and mysql 5 compatible if you ask?
14:34 toMeloos no way
14:34 toMeloos even though i know the owner personally
14:35 toMeloos it's a default installation of that fedora derivative
14:35 toMeloos CentOS
14:36 toMeloos that's it
14:36 jameelsandham anyone here good with templates?
14:38 toMeloos not really, just getting the hang of TYPO3 ;-)
14:47 jimmi hi
14:49 toMeloos hello
14:49 jimmi anyone know how to delete pages which have sub pages, without having to delete all subpages 1st?
14:54 void jimmi: enable recursive deletion for this use
14:54 void user
14:55 jimmi hmmm where?,
14:56 desy hi one question, i need the title of tt_news as a non-link... tt_news version: 2.5.0
14:56 jimmi void, where do i enable recursive deletion?
14:57 void jimmi: user>setup
15:00 jimmi thanks void :)
15:01 jimmi well that certainly made my life easier :)
15:01 jimmi lol
15:03 jimmi ok, does anyone know of a good site that lets you take free open source templates....? so all i have to do is edit the content? rather than building a whole site from scrathc/
15:05 jimmi ...
15:05 void jimmi: there are a lot of such sites
15:05 void jimmi: http://www.opendesigns.org/, for example
15:07 jimmi why thankyou. ...
15:08 jimmi ok another question...... if i was too lazy to create a table with raw html, and i designed it on M Dreamweaver...... would it make a difference when adding it to typo3?
15:09 void jimmi: don't think so. if that table is shown correctly in browsers, t3 will not damage it
15:23 jimmi goh im finding templating the hardest part to grasp on typo3
15:24 jimmi ok i have downloaded a template, uploaded it to fileadmin/templates.... unzipped it............... so what do i do to impliment it into the site?
15:26 sjjh jimmi: what does the template contain?
15:30 void jimmi: install templavoila?
15:30 sjjh I mean the zip.folder...
15:32 jimmi i have got templavoila,
15:33 jimmi umm the template contains html template. support images and css i think
15:33 void jimmi: so, go through the wizard
15:33 roadrunner i think typo-script ist the hardest part :(
15:34 jimmi kk thanks (stupid question really want it )
15:34 jimmi ..... yes typoscript is exteremly hard:(
15:34 roadrunner because there is now way to check if the code is correkt
15:35 roadrunner s/correkt/correct
15:40 jimmi hmm i think there must be ways of doing that...
15:41 roadrunner feature request :)
15:41 roadrunner but i guess this can only be solved with an external editor; but eclipse with plugins could be one.
15:42 void roadrunner: pspad,kate,notepad++ have syntax highlighting for TS..
15:43 void don't know, maybe they have correct checking ability too
15:46 roadrunner they only have highlighting - because this are 'only' editors.
15:53 jimmi hmm i am having trouble mapping a menu item in templavoila,. ..... how do i recongise the menu item on an existing template? because the one im mapping doesnt have an obvios menu
16:02 jimmi hello
16:21 Phlogi jimmi: hmm what do you mean?
16:22 Phlogi you just map some lib.myObject in TV and then use lib.myObject in your TS to setup the menu
16:24 Phlogi hello guys :)
16:26 jimmi so much so learn :( why didnt they make typo3 more simple for us young, less experienced guys :@
16:29 jimmi where is the best place to get a pre existing template, so all i have to do is manipulate the data
16:30 void jimmi: install one of tmpl_andreas* extesion, or urban_nomad, etc
16:31 jimmi ok, what exactly do these extensions do?
16:32 void they provide some predefined typoscript + templavoila template in T3D form
16:33 void so, you can install them and begin to insert content. but your site will look like 200.000 others
16:34 jimmi i just need to understand how to either, make a template, or to impliment it into the backend, so i can manipulate and create specific content
16:35 jimmi because i had someone show me how to do a very basic frame and he put it into the backend for me, but its not TV compatible for some reason, and i dont understand all of the elemnts involved so i find it very hard to edit the site
16:36 void jimmi: so, you need to read futuristic template building tutorial
16:36 jimmi oh, ok! :)..... is there a video version by any chance?
16:36 void there are a lot of podcasts..
16:38 jimmi on the typo3.org site?
16:39 void yes, typo3.org/podcast
16:39 jimmi tyvm :)
16:49 freddy__ where is class.tslib_pibase.php located in the tree ?
16:50 freddy__ ah found it: typo3_src-4.1.3/typo3/sysext/cms/tslib
16:56 sureshontour i am a new bie at typo3. i have just installed typo3 on my debian machine. read the official typo3 book also
16:56 sureshontour now if i want to create good looking websites, i understand that i need good templates other than the one available with typo3 installation
16:56 sureshontour how do i go about that
16:57 sureshontour how to get good looking templates? newbie qn
16:57 sjjh sureshontour: there are basicly two ways. I would recommend you to read the modern template buliding tutorial at typo3.org
16:58 sureshontour i somehow figured out that i need templavoila. then its doc said i should read futuristic template building which said i should read modern templated building doc
16:58 sjjh another way would be to work with templaVoila. (But I have never tried it. :-) )
16:58 sureshontour so is it that i must read 3 big manuals bfore i can do something sensible
16:59 sureshontour i saw some templates like andreas01 etc on the web...i am finding ti difficult even to use them
17:00 sureshontour is templavoila different from modern template building stuff?
17:00 sjjh yes
17:01 sureshontour so what is the direction taken by most people? TV or mtb ?
17:01 sjjh I can't tell you. mtb was there first.
17:01 sureshontour so u use mtb...i guess
17:02 sureshontour u know my friends here use things like drupal and they bring their sites up very fast and i was struggling with typo3. i was wonderfing how go get it up faster...
17:02 void sureshontour: TV is simpler when you make simple sites. if you change template 30 times, remapping for TV is a hell
17:03 sureshontour ok
17:03 sureshontour thanks void
17:03 sjjh yes. And I would say, that it is easier to start with mrb, but I can be wrong
17:03 void hm..
17:03 void i think TV is simpler to start
17:03 sureshontour i just came to irc (for the first time) to talk with some typo3 people
17:04 sureshontour but TV manual asks me to read ftb which asks me to read mtb..so i must study all that to start with TV ?
17:06 void sureshontour: you need to read 0.5 of mtb and FTB.
17:06 sjjh If you should give a short overview I would say: mtb is making a html-template, put some markers in it for dynamic stuff (content, menue) and then fill this markers by TS. TemplaVoila is making a html-template which you later map with the tv-extension. Who much ts you have to I can't tell
17:06 void or MTB1, but don't read MTB2
17:08 sureshontour it looks like both mtb and ftb must be understood bfore i can do anything sensible ?
17:11 void sureshontour: hm. ok, i'll explain. TV can make a template for you. very quick. and you can begin to insert content
17:11 void but of course you will need a menu
17:11 void or something else
17:11 void or login box at the side
17:11 void or whatever
17:11 sureshontour void: listening to you
17:11 void and for that you need to use typoscript
17:12 sureshontour void: so what is the conclusion?
17:13 void conclusion is: 1) you need an basic understanding of typoscript, which is in MTB1
17:13 void 2) you don't need knowledge about building templates without TV, which is in MTB2
17:13 void 3) you need knowledge about building templates with TV, which is in FTB
17:14 sureshontour and finally i must read templavoila manual too right ? :)
17:15 void no
17:15 void i don't
17:15 void cause FTB is a templavoila manual, really )
17:15 sureshontour void: thanks, but all these looks intimidating to me....so much to study to build a web site? dont feel bad about my plain asking
17:16 void sureshontour: yes... learning TYPO3 is not so simple like learning Drupal or Joomla. but when you'll learn, you can build more powerful sites for less time
17:17 sureshontour void: yea this is what i also feel....though i do nothave actual experience
17:19 Awillys void: heya
17:20 void hi Awillys
17:20 Awillys void: have ou guys ever made a vb integration for wiht 2 forums sharing the same DB or smthg
17:20 Awillys ?
17:20 void Awillys: wiht2?
17:20 void what is that?
17:21 Awillys 2 domains domain1.com domain2.com, 2 forums. everythg sharing the same user DB
17:21 Awillys *with 2
17:21 void i think we didn't
17:22 Awillys void: k, i am trying to think what is the best option
17:23 olegs ïðèâåò
17:23 Awillys either i should have 2 different t3 install and 2 vb install or 1 t3 install with the 2 domain and 1 vbinstall with the 2 forums
17:23 Awillys but then it becomes complicated if i need forum.domain1.com and forum.domain2.com to be the urls of each forums
17:25 void i think that is the best option..
17:25 void i think vb have 1 place where urls are generated
17:26 Awillys i see
17:27 Awillys so it would be possible to have the two urls
17:27 void yes
17:39 Denyerec Meh
17:49 void Denyerec: ?
18:41 helhum hi
18:45 desy hi one question: how can i disable the title hyperlink from tt_news 2.5.0???
18:47 Denyerec void
18:47 void Denyerec: what?
18:47 Denyerec desy - it's probably a linkwrap thing in the template
18:47 Denyerec [16:53] <void> Denyerec: ?
18:47 void Denyerec: ah.. that about your "Meh" +)
18:48 Denyerec ah
18:48 Denyerec Just grumpy.
18:49 desy @Denyerec i found the linkwrap for the title in the template, but this wrap is around the <a-tag...
18:49 Denyerec Curses :)
18:50 Denyerec Then you'll have to dig a little deeper into the title processin gin tt_news temlate's setup.txt in the /static/ folder for the extension
18:50 Denyerec and figure out how they're linkifying it
18:51 desy @Denyerec i checked all... even the sources
18:52 desy i thought there must be a parameter do diable it but it wasnt..
18:55 helhum desy: remove the <!--###LINK_ITEM###--> stuff in the html-template
18:56 helhum <!--###LINK_ITEM###-->###NEWS_TITLE###<!--###LINK_ITEM###--> has to become ###NEWS_TITLE###
18:57 desy @helum there is no ###LINK_ITEM### marker in the html template since the new version.
18:57 desy that would be easy ^^
18:59 helhum i'm using 2.5.0 as well and there is the link_item stuff
18:59 desy WHAT??
18:59 desy in my template it isnt..
19:00 desy strange ...
19:01 helhum and it works, if i remove it...
19:01 helhum (just tested)
19:02 desy tt_news 2.5.0?
19:02 helhum yes
19:03 helhum How does your list template look like?
19:03 desy the html template?
19:03 helhum yes
19:04 desy mom
19:12 desy http://desy.thorne-lan.de/ablage/news_template.html
19:22 desy @helum some idea?
19:27 rejeep Hi, I have a menu (watch typoscript http://pastebin.com/m45d58a9a). How can I make the link wrap the div "submenu"? I.e. I want the whole div to be a link.
19:29 rejeep Wrong link above! http://pastebin.com/m561ff7f4
19:37 void rejeep: search tsref for "linkwrapbeforea" or so
19:39 rejeep void, Care to give me a hint where to look? New to Typo3 and haven't learned how to find in the TSref...
19:41 void rejeep: i have tsref in the .chm form..
19:42 rejeep void, And that is?
19:43 void rejeep: .ATagBeforeWrap
19:43 void use that
19:45 rejeep Thanks!
19:54 toMeloos does TYPO3 detect php version during installation?
19:59 kreegee somebody here ever did a event calendar?
20:00 kreegee sth. like http://www.nightline-zuerich.ch/public/kalender.php / http://www.nightline-zuerich.ch/public/kalender.php?action=details&eid=143 would be nice
20:00 kreegee i don't need much more
20:05 toMeloos just search for calendar in TER
20:05 toMeloos argh! typo is starting to piss me off!
20:05 toMeloos sorry
20:22 kreegee i searched, but i didn't find an ext that is 1. a fit and 2. still maintained
20:24 void kreegee: i don't know what you need, but: cal is universal calendar, it also have integration with "seminars" extension.
20:25 void maybe not so simple extension, but it should fit a lot of different needs
20:28 kreegee void, thx
20:28 kreegee will take a look at it
21:08 timdeluxe i am moving an typo3 installation to another server. did someone ever experienced an error like "XML-Output: Invalid character"?
22:33 uschi is there a way to enhance the length of the title of template objects?
22:34 void uschi: of course
22:34 uschi and how?
22:36 void do you want to make it on one local installation or to do in universal way?
22:36 uschi universal, because 60 is a bit small in general
22:37 void so, you need to make a small extension :)
22:41 void anyone knows where eclipse store the general settings, like woskpace list?
22:44 olegs in .settings
22:45 void olegs: and where is this .settings is located?
22:45 olegs in unix under configuration/.settings
22:47 void olegs: and where is configuration?
22:47 uschi void, and in this ext i am doing what?
22:48 olegs void, where did you unpack it?
22:48 olegs I have it under /Users/<removed>/bin/eclipse
22:48 olegs --> /Users/<removed>/bin/eclipse/configuration/.settings
22:49 void ah, aha..
22:49 void uschi: you extend one field in ext_tables.sql and ext_tables.php
22:50 uschi ok
23:18 Jessica Goodevening
23:19 olegs u too
23:19 Jessica Has someone worked with CSV export in de t3lib class?

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