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00:20 kraftb I'll leave ...cu tomorrow ...
00:20 kraftb bye
00:21 kraftb have a nice evening/night/morning/day (dependen on your /etc/zoneinfo)
00:36 void Sebastan: yes
00:40 Sebastan ok... I want to know how to get a special bit of data from the 4 columns. Not the whole column only one part of it...
00:41 Sebastan marks.Titel= CONTENT
00:41 Sebastan marks.Titel {
00:41 Sebastan table = tt_content
00:41 Sebastan select.orderBy = sorting
00:41 Sebastan select.where = colPos = 0
00:41 Sebastan }
00:41 Sebastan this works only for the whole "normal"-Column...
00:41 Sebastan how to pick for example the first part?
00:42 Denyerek void?
00:43 Sebastan I have 2 Records with Text on Column Normal and want to send only one Text to a mark...
00:46 void Denyerec: solved my problems..
00:47 Denyerec Ah ok.
00:47 void Denyerec: sorry for disturbing..
00:47 Denyerec Gah I needed kraftb :(
00:47 Sebastan void can you help with my question?
00:48 void Denyerec: why? maybe i can help
00:49 Denyerec Do I owe you money? :)
00:49 void Denyerec: hehe.. no =)
00:49 Denyerec Well, it looks like I still need KraftB :)
00:51 Sebastan hm...
00:53 Sebastan asking me why void is saying newbie questions will be answered but no one does...
00:54 void Sebastan: sorry.. please highlight me..
00:54 void Sebastan: what you mean as "first part"?
00:54 void Sebastan: first content element? or first and second?
00:55 Sebastan yes, the content elements. as example only the first...
00:55 void Sebastan: add line: marks.Titel.select.max = 1
00:56 Sebastan i will try it...
00:59 Sebastan void: thanks a lot... :) I cant believe why this doesnt is wrote down in my book and I searched all the time on google without result...
00:59 void Sebastan: use TSRef... books are books, not references..
01:01 Sebastan I found it. unfortunately its only a list of commands. So for a special problem it would be hard to find the solution...
01:03 void Sebastan: yes.. so, in hard cases, ask here
01:03 Sebastan void: next question I have is that I have a textfield where the writer could write a <h1> into it. Normally it should show it as a caption
01:03 Sebastan but its shown as <h1>überschrift>/h1>
01:03 void Sebastan: haha! bug in my kvirc!
01:03 Sebastan </h1>
01:04 Sebastan from my <h1 >-tags :)
01:04 Sebastan ?
01:04 void Sebastan: yes... popup windows with huge letters
01:04 void -s
01:04 Sebastan hihi
01:05 Sebastan but what do I have to change to get the caption shown as a caption
01:05 void Sebastan: do not understand where you have that caption? you mean header of content element? or contents of "text" field of content element?
01:06 Sebastan contents of "text"-Field
01:06 Sebastan marks.Titel= CONTENT
01:06 Sebastan marks.Titel {
01:06 Sebastan table = tt_content
01:06 Sebastan select.orderBy = sorting
01:06 Sebastan select.where = colPos = 0
01:06 Sebastan select.max = 1
01:06 Sebastan }
01:06 Sebastan here should be send back the caption
01:07 Sebastan but it only shows the caption without parsing the html
01:08 void Sebastan: hm.. still does not understand. do you want to see only header of first CE?
01:08 void or parse HTML of bodytext somehow?
01:11 Sebastan void: on my site there is a logo. Right of it should be shown the sitetitle. Because I cant set the sitetitle to h1 as recordtype caption I made it as a normal text-record. Into the record I wrote the caption and made it h1. After taking it from tt_content its not shown as a h1 because the h1-tag is written out as h1. not interpreted as h1-caption...
01:13 void Sebastan: can you give me a link?
01:13 Sebastan no, its not online...
01:13 void Sebastan: btw, you need to use RECORDS in that case
01:14 Sebastan records? you mean instead of Content in "marks.Titel= CONTENT"
01:15 void Sebastan: yes...
01:15 Sebastan ok, I will try this...
01:18 Sebastan Hm dont have a result with this. I tried:
01:18 Sebastan marks.Titel= RECORDS
01:18 Sebastan marks.Titel {
01:18 Sebastan table = tt_content
01:18 Sebastan select.orderBy = sorting
01:18 Sebastan select.where = colPos = 0
01:18 Sebastan select.max = 1
01:18 Sebastan }
01:19 Sebastan but maybe its the wrong syntax. I will read at tsref
01:19 void Sebastan: yes, a bit wrong..
01:21 Sebastan void: today I have lost a number of hours trying to get results on typo3 and I thought I dont get it until I found out that it only loaded a older cached site... Is there a way to always get the fresh code without always clicking on clear cache? Maybe in the template?
01:22 void Sebastan: config.no_cache = 1
01:22 Sebastan thanks... I searched a long time and didnt found this. cant believe it...
01:23 Sebastan void: I think this will help me a bit forward. Thanks a lot for help...
01:23 void Sebastan: np =)
01:23 Denyerec void I do not know if this would interest you: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4128183/Eve_Online_Source(client_side)_Code
01:25 void Denyerec: 3 pages of english text.. spare me
01:25 void Denyerec: can you take that shortly?
01:25 Denyerec The EVE sourcecode.
01:25 Denyerec Available for download.
01:25 Denyerec Plenty of Python :)
01:26 void Denyerec: hehe =)
01:26 void *-t
01:28 Denyerec Hehe
01:28 Denyerec You seen the review for GTA4?
01:28 Denyerec Oh my word.
01:28 Denyerec Looks absolutetly incredible, and not just in terms of the graphics (Which are of course top notch)
01:30 void Denyerec: hehe.. and protagonist is from Eastern Europe.. not so far as afroamerican in san andreas
01:31 Denyerec indeed
01:31 Denyerec Really looking forward to the PC release.
01:31 Denyerec They have multiplayer also!
01:32 void Denyerec: really? i think multiplayer is not in GTA spirit..
01:33 Denyerec You what?
01:33 Denyerec It's what made it great!
01:33 Denyerec GTA1 multiplayer was hillarious fun
01:34 JCal hey, anyone know anything about a fatal php error when you try to use the switch fields check box when editing page content?
01:37 JCal no way
01:37 JCal oh man, im getting fatal errors everywhere now
01:38 void Denyerec: i started gta from gta III. and that's my favorite game so far... rain, smog, dark streets, silent protagonist...
01:38 void JCal: which ones?
01:38 void JCal: delete temp_CACHED* files from typo3conf
01:38 Denyerec Ahhh, ok. SO you never played the top-down original games?
01:39 JCal void: i assume you mean just click the clear cache in typo3conf/ link? not via some other method?
01:40 void Denyerec: i cannot start them.. dunno why.. i saw screenshots and videos..
01:40 Denyerec Ah, well rest assured the multiplay was most entertaining.
01:40 void JCal: if you can do that in that way - yes
01:40 Denyerec However GTA4 is going to take things to places no-one has been before . It just looks incrediblke.
01:41 void Denyerec: btw, about multiplayer.. found a game some time a go - http://www.teeworlds.com/
01:41 void *ago
01:41 JCal void: yeah, cleared cache, when i try to go edit page content: Fatal error: Cannot use string offset as an array in /var/www/uxfr0010c/htdocs/typo3_src-4.1.6/t3lib/class.t3lib_transferdata.php on line 621
01:43 void JCal: hm.. weird..
01:43 JCal void: i was editing page content, then i saw the check boxes with a down and up arrow and thought... hmm, i wonder if those will switch the order in the page... clicked one, hit save... fatal error
01:44 JCal void: cant quite figure out how to delete that page content and start over
01:45 void JCal: what is that CE? templavoila FCE?
01:45 Denyerec void what the heck is that game
01:46 void Denyerec: really cool.. hybrid of worms and quake
01:46 Denyerec trying to find a manual!
01:46 JCal void: it was a new page i just made with a new template from templa voila
01:46 Denyerec You ever play Transport Tycoon void?
01:46 Denyerec Kinda figure you'd like that...
01:46 Denyerec I recently re-discovered it via OpenTTD
01:46 JCal void: so i dont mind getting rid of it even
01:47 JCal but i swore i wuldnt sleep until this site is live :D
01:47 JCal void: other pages seem to be editable just fine
01:47 void JCal: sooo urgent?
01:48 JCal void: im thinking, maybe it could be related to this tinyrte extension i was using? i mean, it happened when i tried to reorder the boxes
01:48 void JCal: i cannot understand which boxes you mean.. can you show screenshot?
01:49 JCal void: haha, yes, i left the office, locked myself in the room, and swore i wouldnt leave until i got it live (on a test server)
01:49 JCal void: sure, can you past screen shots in here:
01:50 void Denyerec: something like early Sims?..
01:50 Denyerec Um, not really.
01:50 Denyerec more like sim city
01:50 Denyerec But emphasis only on transport
01:50 Denyerec it's really quite engrossing :)
01:50 Denyerec http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTD
01:50 Denyerec (And free, of course)
01:51 paulmaidment Hi all, anybody here?
01:51 void Denyerec: I am afraid of strategies... played into Civilization I..
01:51 void paulmaidment: yes =)
01:51 paulmaidment does anyone here know much about realurl?
01:52 void not so much..
01:52 paulmaidment can't get cache hash to work :(
01:52 paulmaidment everything else works great
01:52 paulmaidment just working on some optimisation stuff and trying to cache tt_news articles, not having much luck
01:56 JCal void: is that screenshot transfer working? that the way to do it?
01:57 void JCal: no.. use imageshake.us
01:58 JCal void: how about this: http://www.eodub.com/example/screenshot.jpg
01:58 void JCal: aha. templavoila flexform..
02:00 Denyerec LOL void that game is aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesome
02:00 void Denyerec: which?
02:00 Denyerec teeworlds
02:00 void Denyerec: hehe.. yes! =)
02:01 Denyerec OpenTTD: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Right-of-way_Roundabout
02:01 Denyerec it's not strategy, it's.... civic planning :)
02:01 void Denyerec: let's play?)
02:01 Denyerec I'm currently getting slaughtered in some CTF server
02:01 Denyerec FP8
02:02 void Denyerec: i don't like CTF..
02:02 void Denyerec: i like DM2
02:02 Denyerec ok... Do you know a good server? There are not many populated ones
02:02 void JCal: really don't know.. searched bugtracker.. nothing
02:03 JCal void: ok, thx... do you know how i can just dump that page and start fresh?
02:03 JCal void: i can edit the other pages OK
02:03 void JCal: what you mean "dump"?
02:04 JCal void: sorry, let me just try recreating the page, and its sub pages (there was no content yet) and reassign the templates and not click that button for now
02:04 JCal void: i meant delete that page, ideally clean it out without messing with the page tree, but no biggie
02:06 void JCal: use web>list..
02:07 JCal void: weird, did that, it gave me another fatal error when i tried to delete it, but refreshed page tree and its gone, fingers crossed
02:10 void Denyerec: yeah.. but it's night now..
02:10 Denyerec True
02:29 paulmaidment solved the realurl chash problem :)
02:29 paulmaidment now my details pages are cached :)
02:29 paulmaidment very pleased
06:13 titii Hello there
06:13 titii BOTTOM_BORDER_CONTENT < styles.content.getBorder |enter| BOTTOM_BORDER_CONTENT.override.cObject < temp.ext.tx_konlinegames_pi1.radio_station
06:13 titii Is on that script something wrong<
06:13 titii ?
06:27 titii ries?
07:37 imran Hi
07:37 imran I need Help
07:38 imran about xml parsing in typo3
08:28 koomi moin
08:42 ommya Hello all
08:43 ommya I have got problem with my TYPO3.If I click on any link it only shows home page .No other page than homepage is displayed
08:43 ommya can anybody help
08:44 ommya I have realurl enabled
08:44 SWEMark What does the link look like
08:44 SWEMark is it just www.homepage.com?
08:44 FloLeBlanc hi all
08:44 SWEMark Good morning
08:44 ommya no
08:44 ommya whole path to the page
08:45 SWEMark got an url for us?
08:45 ommya www.example.com/menu1/page1.html
08:45 SWEMark belive it or not, i actually clivked that link
08:45 SWEMark too early
08:46 ommya sorry for that :)
08:46 SWEMark np :)
08:46 FloLeBlanc sorry for the off-topic fellow typo3'ians, but I have to share my joy: ZakMcKracken2 (The Fan Project) is done (www.zak2.org) ;)
08:47 SWEMark ommya: got an url for me to see?
08:47 SWEMark one that works :)
08:47 ommya its on my local pc
08:47 ommya just a sec
08:48 SWEMark oh
08:48 SWEMark ok
08:49 ommya http://www.mysite.com/home-page/home.html
08:50 SWEMark Cant help much without knowing what happens on the page
08:51 SWEMark try disabling staticdocuments
08:51 ommya ok thanks I will try
08:51 ommya thanks for your help :)
08:54 ommya FloLeBlanc:Really nice website :)
08:55 FloLeBlanc :)
08:55 FloLeBlanc not mine :)
08:56 ommya oh
08:59 SWEMar1 FloLeBlanc: wheres RC2?
08:59 FloLeBlanc swe?
08:59 SWEMar1 typo3 4.2 rc2
09:00 LionRock when will be final 4.2 released ?
09:00 SWEMar1 I'm guessing 2 months
09:03 SWEMar1 any luck ommya?
09:03 ommya no
09:04 FloLeBlanc swe: how should I know? :)
09:04 SWEMar1 Do you use firebug?
09:04 ommya yes
09:04 FloLeBlanc it it even released yet?
09:07 ommya can firebug be the problem?But there is also same problem when I view any page in B.E. using view module
09:08 SWEMar2 News said new RC once a week though
09:12 JaXtreme hello
09:35 nublaii can I truncate all the index_* tables to clear the indexed content or will that give me problems?
10:02 tsrepadmin Good morning. I have this strange error, but this table exists: NO entry in the $TCA-array for the table "tx_overview_fondsections". This means that the function enableFields() is called with an invalid table name as argument.
10:03 tsrepadmin If I debug $TCA it turn out, that "ctrl" and "feInterface" are empty, but I have a configuration for that
10:03 tsrepadmin does anybody got some tipps where to look?
10:32 tsrepadmin the ctrl section gets not loaded :-(
10:49 sharquedo I try to echo/var_dump/debug stuff in my frontend plugin, when the page is loading I can see some echo/debug stuff, but after loading it just shows the template with no echoed/debugged info whatsoever (both screen and source).
11:19 bin hi techies
11:19 bin good morning
13:10 whnsnn how can I set the access for a frontend user-group recursively?
13:18 tPl0ch Hello there I have a templavoila template which has 2 columns in which content can be inserted. I have a sidebar, where you can add content, too. But I want a login form appear as the first content element in the sidebar by default. How do I do this?
13:19 Denyerec hmm
13:20 Denyerec you want it on every page?
13:20 tPl0ch yes
13:20 tPl0ch can i somehow do that in the root template?
13:21 Denyerec it would be better as part of your template, yes
13:23 tPl0ch hmm, how can i address the templavoila sections via the root template?
13:24 Denyerec You define a mapping as a "Typoscript Object Path" and give it a name, like tv.fred
13:24 Denyerec then in your typoscript template you can just point stuff to tv.fred
13:24 Denyerec like tv.fred = TEXT
13:24 Denyerec tv.fred.value = Hello world
13:24 Denyerec etc
13:25 tPl0ch aaaahhhh, nice :-)
13:25 tPl0ch thank you
13:26 tPl0ch so its "lib.fred" in the root template, same as with the navigation, if I call it lib.fred
13:27 Denyerek lib.fred, lib.rary, whatever you want really
13:27 Denyerek I usually use "tv.something" so in my template I know it's a TSOP I'm dealing with
13:32 alexwx Hey friends
13:33 alexwx Can I put with TS config somethnig into the HEADer section of the HTML template?
13:38 Denyerek hey pmk
13:38 Denyerek alex: page.headerData.10 = TEXT etc
14:00 tPl0ch hi, now i have added the tv.loginform to the templavoila template. Now I want to assign the tx-newloginbox-pi1 plugin content to it. How is this done. can i just do 'tv.loginform < plugin.tx-newloginbox-pi1'
14:10 imran Hi
14:11 imran I need help
14:11 imran about Rich text area in typo3
14:11 imran can any one help me
14:11 imran ?
14:12 imran When i paste code with <div>
14:12 imran rich text area convert <div> into <p>
14:16 JCal hey all, trying to work with a link field in a TV FCE, two questions: How can I define the link text (instead of default which is the page name) & How can I control whether it opens in a new window/tab?
14:17 tPl0ch you map a plain input element to the <a> tag
14:17 tPl0ch a:inner
14:17 tPl0ch and map a link field to the same a tag
14:18 JCal ahh ok
14:18 tPl0ch then you can just set the target, either _self or _blank or what you want
14:18 JCal thx
14:18 JCal any idea why sometimes the link opens a new window/tab by default?
14:20 tPl0ch aahh, don't forget to select 'attribute' when mapping the link field and select the 'href' attr
14:20 JCal ahhhhh, thx
14:20 JCal ty ty
14:35 imran When i paste code with <div> in rich text area
14:35 imran rich text area convert <div> into <p>
14:35 imran can anyone help me
14:35 imran ?
14:43 JCal imran: did you check the extension manager and look at the extenstion configurations? i use tinyrte which has a bunch of configs about that type of stuff
14:44 imran Yes
14:44 imran I have checked the Configration ext
14:45 imran it showing typo3_confg_vars
14:45 imran and typo3 tables.php
14:45 imran TBE styles
14:45 imran which option i select
14:47 JCal imran: not sure, but i would check the rte extension itself
14:48 imran ok
14:51 Fanty Hi! Anyone know in what class / function t3 loads and sets the content of the $TSFE->fe_user->user array?
15:01 Fanty class.t3lib_userauth.php->fetchUserSession()
15:02 voidus_ Fanty: when cookie with user id is set?
15:03 Fanty void: yep, cookie is set afterwards
15:13 bin is it possible to show database values in select box using typo3 script
15:20 faulpaul hi guys
15:20 imran JCal : Any solution
15:21 imran about RTEHTML
15:22 JCal imran: i dont even use rtehtml, i use tinyrce, bu the more i think about it, i dont know if divs are meant to be contained inside an RTE area... not sure
15:24 faulpaul i have just installed typo3 4.1.6 and have the following problem. When I am in the BE and click on something in the menu (for example "DB check") the page reloads and the menu is gone. The new page fills out the full window. I hade the same issue before, but I have forgotten how I fixed it....
15:27 bin is it possible to show database values in select box using typo3 script
15:30 tPl0ch which values from which table, i think there are only some tables allowed to select from
15:38 maholtz @bin: yep
15:38 maholtz perhaps via CONTENT
15:39 maholtz have an look at select and renderObj
15:40 faulpaul anybody an idea about my issue?
15:40 JaXtreme faulpaul do you use firefox 3 beta?
15:40 bin maholtz i wrote like this
15:40 bin 16 = CONTENT
15:40 bin 16.table = tx_seminars_speakers
15:40 bin 16.select {
15:40 bin pidInList = this
15:40 bin orderBy = sorting
15:40 bin }
15:40 bin is this one correct
15:40 faulpaul JaXtreme, :) yes, i will try another browser
15:40 faulpaul thanks, forgot that
15:40 bin tx_seminars_speakers is the table from where iam selecting the values
15:41 JaXtreme there's a bugfix for ff3 in ter
15:42 bin maholtz is that correct
15:46 JCal i forget, how do you set global site title? just in setup of template record? or is there another way?
15:46 fred^^ holah
15:46 fred^^ do any of you people have pages with included php scripts which you need to post data to?
15:47 fred^^ im trying to use this form script together with lumo php include, and its not working very well
15:47 fred^^ my form script is not picking up the variables
15:53 JCal hey all, any better RTE extensions then default and tinyrce? im trying tinymce now
15:54 tPl0ch hey ho, I want to add the tx_newloginbox plugin to a TSOP. Is this the right way to do it?
15:54 tPl0ch tv.login = USER
15:54 tPl0ch tv.login.userFunc = tx_newloginbox_pi1->main
15:54 tPl0ch tv.login.templateFile = EXT:newloginbox/res/newloginbox_00.html
15:55 void tPl0ch: tv < plugin.tx_newloginbox_pi1, tv.templateFile = ..
15:56 tPl0ch :)
15:58 Phlogi__ anyone ever tried file_explorer?
16:02 fred^^ Phlogi__ i have
16:02 fred^^ or.. hmm. im not sure if that was the name
16:02 Phlogi__ fred^^: does list view work?
16:03 Phlogi__ fred^^: not the moc one nor the air one :)
16:03 SWEMark anyone got any clue as to why my flexible content messes up an attribute?
16:03 fred^^ sorry, was the wrong extension i was thinking about :)
16:03 Phlogi__ np
16:03 SWEMark It copies the <a></a> and then creates another one
16:13 webworker hi everybuddy
16:14 webworker hi
16:14 webworker hi everybuddy
16:14 JCal SWEmark: someone just told me to do it this way and it worked, not sure if this is same issue... make a field that is an Attribute/Link field, then make a field that is the link text, element/plain input and link both fields to same "a" tag
16:14 JCal hey webworker
16:15 webworker hi
16:15 webworker My messages do not apear?
16:15 webworker a now it works :-)
16:15 webworker hi everybuddy
16:16 JCal hi webworker
16:17 Denyerek Need a TemplaVoila sort...
16:17 Denyerek anyone about? Need to get the parameters from an image to insert into another part of the FCE template.
16:18 uschi_ hi Denyerek
16:18 Denyerec Did you ever fiddle with dynamically sized elements in FCE's?
16:18 Denyerec I'm sure someone here did...
16:18 Denyerec EG taking the image height from the defined image so you could use that value in the CSS
16:20 mik4 has anyone ever installed aux_newsmailer?
16:21 webworker I've got a realy strange phenomenon with caching in an extension.
16:22 mammut mik4: no I am just installing tcdirectmail for newsletters
16:23 webworker I've got a from which is submited onselect of a select field, this form is using GET method, the extension is set to USER (cached) and var $pi_checkCHash = TRUE; is set. Most times it works, but sometimes it just takes the wronge page from cache.
16:23 webworker sombody an idea?
16:25 webworker I can not set the chash, because I don't know which values are taken
16:32 mik4 webworker , what about, setting the chash in the onselect javascript?
16:36 webworker mik4: ok, but to which value?
16:43 webworker mik4: I tought the cHash value should reflect the values which are selected?
16:44 Softzilla can you generate links for each possible values in select?
16:45 Softzilla if it something like quick navigation menu I recommend to use links for select values
16:47 Denyerek ds
16:48 guid1 hi, a question concerning tt_products: i want do integrate the mini-cart below the subnavigation on the left, with RECORDS, source and tables -- source is the ID of a working mini-cart, hidden in the menu - but the result of the typoscript is some product data instead of the mini-cart. what is wrong? can anyone help? thx
17:05 tPl0ch hello, Why is the mininews not showing up -> http://phpfi.com/310052 Did I forget something?
17:09 tPl0ch Do I have to tell the mininews plugin where to find the news records?
17:14 tPl0ch :(
17:24 koomi i've got to admit that flex/as3 is really nice
17:25 Denyerek Hey koomi
17:25 Denyerek you run any load tests with Flex?
17:26 Denyerek Ries was very concerned about the performance
17:26 ries Denyerek: was??? I still am...
17:26 Denyerek haha
17:26 Denyerek Figure of speech unfortunately ;)
17:27 ries I am still planning to blog about that
17:28 ries Did you see the AOP browser??
17:31 koomi hrhr. what did you do with it ries?
17:32 koomi i've got to finish a uni project: graffiti in my neighbourhood. embedded map, pictures, etc
17:32 ries koomi: Just check how fast I could retreive the default page...
17:32 koomi errm
17:32 ries koomi: and using jmeter it gave me about 3req/sec.... which worries me
17:32 koomi what are we talking about?
17:33 ries koomi: flow3?
17:33 koomi nope. flex
17:33 koomi adobe flex .. :)
17:33 ries koomi: I though that we where talking about flow3.... what about Adobe Flex??? I like it...
17:33 koomi me too.
17:34 koomi :D
17:34 koomi hey think Denyerek confused us
17:34 ries koomi: I think so.......
17:34 ries koomi: I use flex for quite a number of appplicaitons now.... even customer likes it
17:35 koomi once i wrapped my head around the concept (still bumping my head at the odd corner) it's really smooth
17:36 koomi and integrates nicely with my as3 only logic/backend model
17:36 ries koomi: I like the speed of AMF3... make all json,XML sort of requests feel sloooooooow
17:37 koomi amf3?
17:37 Denyerek Oh you're righ
17:37 Denyerek t
17:37 Denyerek I misread flex as flow
17:41 koomi Denyerek: easy. took me a day to read the random docs and play around. today i got a nice presentation and logic integrated
17:42 Denyerek Are all the controls premade?
17:42 Denyerek cos I don't do Flash
17:42 Denyerek koomi you much good with TemplateVoila?
17:43 koomi Denyerek: wee-eell. i can click and select the parts i need.
17:43 koomi i think i never really used the power of tv
17:44 Denyerec Damn
17:44 koomi what do you want to do?
17:46 Denyerec I want an FCE with an image in
17:47 Denyerec and the FCE needs to read the height of the image, and set an inline CSS property on the FCE based on that image's hight
17:47 Denyerec So say the FCE is contained in a div with class="fred"
17:47 koomi style="width:{someProperty.width}"
17:47 koomi like that?
17:47 Denyerec then if I set an image in the FCE that has height 300, I need the output to be <div class="fred" style="height: 300px;"> ... </div>
17:48 Denyerec pretty much ay
17:48 koomi but you can access those values from within the fce
17:48 koomi edit the xml and add a ts block
17:48 koomi i think that's even in the futuristic template building tutorial
17:50 Denyerec Long time since I read that.
17:50 Denyerec I'll take a loo
17:50 Denyerec k
17:51 tofirius hi all
17:51 koomi hey tofi
17:51 tofirius hey koomi
17:51 koomi (i like that nick-nick)
17:51 koomi tofi :D
17:51 tofirius heh
17:51 tofirius hey... got a question....
17:52 tofirius would you be willing to look (just hover the links) at this page? http://www.ywamlatvia.com/index.php?id=ministries&L=0
17:52 tofirius do you see something weird with the L variable?
17:53 JaXtreme tofirius
17:53 JaXtreme i now this problem
17:53 tofirius JaXtreme: yeah>
17:53 tofirius ?
17:53 JaXtreme had this a while ago too
17:53 tofirius it's like a virus?
17:53 JaXtreme hard to explain, but i guess its caused by a spam-bot
17:54 tofirius ok
17:54 tofirius i think i understand
17:54 tofirius how do i fix it?
17:54 JaXtreme clear fe cache ^^
17:54 tofirius ok
17:54 tofirius how can i prevent it?
17:54 JaXtreme and than have a look at config.linkVars
17:55 guid1 hi, short question: can i update from typo3 4.1.6 to 4.2 just by replacing the files under /typo*-folders?
17:55 tofirius JaXtreme: in my template setup?
17:55 JaXtreme config.linkVars = L(1-3) - "&L=[L-value]" will only be added if the current value is 1, 2 or 3.
17:55 JaXtreme yes
17:55 trialio hey all, in DataStructure XML of TV TCEForms->config->type = group -- does <maxitems> mean how many Content Elements can be inserted?
17:56 tofirius JaXtreme: well....
17:56 tofirius my language (L) values
17:56 tofirius are 7,8,9
17:56 tofirius but the default
17:56 JaXtreme oh
17:56 tofirius of course is 0
17:56 JaXtreme yes
17:56 tofirius how can i change the default?
17:56 JaXtreme hm, so, there is already defined, which values L can contain?
17:57 tofirius well.... when i was learning typo3
17:57 tofirius i started over a couple of times
17:57 tofirius & so...
17:57 tofirius the id's incremented
17:58 tofirius so when i finally got a version that worked
17:58 tofirius i used Ries's code
17:58 tofirius that he gave me
17:58 tofirius well... his TS
17:58 JaXtreme yes
17:58 tofirius & so...
17:58 tofirius my languages are 7,8,9
17:58 tofirius but
17:58 tofirius i realized...
17:58 tofirius that maybe i don't need 7 which is the same as my default 0
17:59 tofirius but anyway
17:59 tofirius 0 still gets used
17:59 tofirius in my site
17:59 tofirius sorry
17:59 tofirius 8 is the same as my default
18:00 tofirius JaXtreme: so what did you do to prevent another spam bot?
18:08 tofirius JaXtreme: did i lose you?
18:53 d|g hi all
18:56 JCal wait a minute, ok, ive been working for hours on these new functioning templates... now i am confused... are there any RTE/WYSWYIG options besides the default and tinyrce?
18:56 JCal because, im not really understanding... like... they suck
18:57 JCal i cant possibly expect to give this to someone without HTML experience to update without them ruining layouts and etc
18:57 JCal so, umm... does that mean i have to map every single possible item? like, every link, every subhead? every header?
18:58 JCal and create fces and such, and make multiple templates so that editors are only using plain input fields?
19:01 JCal so thats what it all boils down to? just... input fields? period?
19:03 guid1 hi, short question: can i update from typo3 4.1.6 to 4.2 just by replacing the files under /typo*-folders?
19:24 JCal i think i maayyyyy hate typo3
19:24 JCal maybe
19:24 JCal :D
19:24 JCal kidding of course, except... maybe not
19:28 trialio JCal: i think one can give options to the RTE which kind of tags are allowed and that sort of stuff
19:28 ries JCal: don't be shy.. everybody has a love hate relationship with typo3
19:29 JCal trialio: yeah, ive been playing with it... it ... hmm, i guess will work
19:29 JCal trialio: i think i just need to get better at FCE
19:29 trialio see http://typo3.creativesites.de/Konfiguration-des-RTE.295+M54a708de802.0.html its in german though
19:29 trialio its about configuration
19:33 JCal trialio: honestly, i cant even figure out where to go in the BE to even ADD fce
19:34 trialio i did try one time but didn't get them to show in the TV page overview
19:35 JCal lol, this is crazy, ive spent like 30 minutes just trying to see where i even get the screens referenced in the FCE portion of the ftbtut
19:35 trialio lol
19:35 JCal oh you use the OLD page module??
19:36 JCal oh, no...
19:37 trialio no i use the general_tvp
19:37 trialio together with temlpavoila
19:37 trialio or maybe in french cen'estpasvoila
19:38 JCal general_tvp?
19:38 trialio wait
19:39 trialio http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/extension-manuals/general_tvp/0.0.0/view/
19:39 JCal hey, that german link you sent me is awesome
19:40 trialio searched for with google
19:40 trialio cause i knew i would be in a need sometimes
19:40 JCal i guess that is the cool thing about the whole system, is once you get deeper, you can do things like making your own config script for different modules and extensions and get all sorts of cool stuff going on
19:42 trialio yes and sometimes its kind of funny, for example to insert new Content Elements within TV Page you have to have the right to insert new Pages
19:43 trialio oh ok rethought -- its allright better then no check
19:43 JCal but, i mean, i cant even find out how, as admin to add new content elements, lol
19:44 JCal like, when i got to the TV page, and see a page, its just the mapped fields
19:45 JCal so you need an extension to give you a module that will let you do that?
19:46 trialio yeah thats weird, thats why i'm trying to use those "Editing Type: Content Elements" in the mapping with templavoila
19:46 trialio then they are shown in TV Page Modul Overview
19:47 JCal yaeh, i get that, but for instance, the ftb tut seems to reference screens that dont even come with tv?!
19:47 JCal or is it written for a prev vers?
19:47 trialio lol
19:47 trialio like some manuals from 2002 or even older??
19:48 JCal its like... im following.... map this, map that... this type, that type... ok, gotcha.... "now, go add page content".... ummm... hmm, let me see... "TV Page? Nope"... hmm... "page? Nope"... hmmmmmm... "List? Template? TemplaVoila? Nope. Nope. Nope." okkkay... hmmm, lets try all of those again
19:49 trialio rofl
19:50 JCal hmm: NOTICE: Forgetting the Template?
19:50 JCal One thing on the ToDo list is enhancement of the DS / TO selection. There are some ideas. For now, just be warned - it is very easy to forget to set the TO value after having set the DS value. If you forget it you just get a blank spot - which is rather confusing... will change soon...
19:50 JCal is THAT the problem?
19:51 trialio cant follow this
19:51 JCal yeah, me either, and its english.
19:55 mac3 hm
19:56 trialio you know that you have to use cssstyledcontent extension together with templavoila don't you?
19:56 mac3 did you set the page template to the ds/to ?
19:56 mac3 its in the page properties
19:56 koomi you need to hang a dead chicken behind your monitor
19:56 koomi always works for me
19:57 trialio that#s magic
19:58 JCal yeah, i have cssstyled content, and im trying to mess with the page template ds/to stuff, i think thats the issue... im sure i can get a chicken somewhere, im in vietnam....
19:58 JCal so by tomorrow, we will be good to go
19:58 JCal cobra blood
19:58 mac3 maybe dance to minimal techno for at least 2 minutes in front of your computer if you cant get one =)
20:01 JCal so i spent 22 hours straight yesterday working on getting this thing working, and ive been at it for about 8 hours straight today... but the good news? ive got 5 pages live! i mean sure, they are just 1 column pages, with headline, sub head and a link or two... and most of that was RTE
20:02 JCal oh, that 30 hours is after getting it all installed and working through modern temp building, etc
20:02 JCal but dont get me wrong, im not bitter.... i mean, hell, i got a dynamic menu yo
20:02 JCal pshh, i change the page name? the menu changes! unnnhhhhhhhhhhh
20:03 mac3 it takes some time at the beginning to learn the stuff
20:03 mac3 but believe me, typo3/templavoila is worth it
20:03 JCal yea, im in it for the long haul... im not giving up.... im going for it... i never know when to cut my losses :D
20:03 mac3 :>
20:04 JCal i think i can see a glimmer of light at the end of the dark, ugly, dirty smelly tunnel
20:04 JCal wait, this IS the "vent your typo3 pent up agression IRC right?" we dont only have to talk about PHP and TS and such?
20:04 JCal am i gonna get booted? blocked? banned
20:04 JCal ?
20:05 JCal i <3 typo3
20:05 mac3 if you setup your ts/do correctly and mapped everything
20:05 mac3 you need to include the cssstyledcontent
20:05 mac3 set the page template in the page's properties
20:05 JCal yeah, i think i missed a peice of the TS part for getting FCE working
20:05 mac3 include the ts code in the main template ts
20:06 JCal cuz, i was just flying along making templates
20:06 JCal that all work
20:06 mac3 sec, ill show you mine
20:06 JCal but for FCE content? like, adding multiple links
20:07 mac3 # include templavoila
20:07 mac3 page.10 = USER
20:07 mac3 page.10.userFunc = tx_templavoila_pi1->main_page
20:07 JCal ya ya, got all that
20:07 JCal def
20:07 JCal i mean, i got basic templates down
20:07 JCal i can map stuff, make templates, add pages, choose different templates
20:08 JCal but im stuck on figuring out how to add flex cont elements
20:08 mac3 include static (from extension)
20:08 mac3 CSS Styled Content
20:08 JCal oooo
20:08 mac3 ok
20:08 JCal yeah
20:08 JCal i have that
20:08 mac3 hm, what do you mean with flex content elements?
20:09 JCal well, cant you make content elements that can be added to templates?
20:09 mac3 ah i cee, flexible content elements
20:09 mac3 yes
20:10 mac3 do they show up in the templavoila overview?
20:10 mac3 you have a tab menu: "Page templates", "Flexible CE", "Other", "Template Files"
20:10 mac3 i have for example a sidebar box as flexible ce, it shows up under the "flexible ce" tab
20:11 JCal no, templavoila module just wants me to start a wizard
20:11 JCal oooo
20:11 mac3 check the table at the header
20:11 JCal noooo, the storage folder
20:11 mac3 no
20:12 mac3 "start wizard now!"
20:12 mac3 this page should be right
20:12 mac3 then there is a table at the top
20:12 mac3 "page header" "data structures" "template objects"
20:12 mac3 there should be at least one row
20:12 JCal that page has no table, but if i go TemplaVoila > Storage Folder > there is a table
20:12 JCal oh yeah
20:13 mac3 i did overlook it the first time
20:14 JCal oo, ok, ok, im gunna get busy in there
20:15 mac3 :)
20:15 mac3 and if you want to create a flexible ce, you have to go to the typo3 file browser, like you did for the site template ds/to
20:15 mac3 good luck ,)
20:20 trialio mac3 are those flexible content elements also shown in the TV Page Module Overview like simple Content Elements, i mean also in localization view?
20:21 JCal its always something totally simple, that i feel stupid for overlooking... mac3, your rock
20:21 mac3 you mean the page module, where you can add new elements to the page?
20:21 trialio yes
20:22 mac3 yep, they show up in the list
20:22 mac3 "flexible content"
20:22 trialio ah ok, will try
20:23 mac3 JCal: yep, same with me, i was frustrated the first time i used typo3
20:23 trialio and from there on are they editable by a click? Or do the editors have to go some other ways to edit them?
20:24 mac3 trialio: yep, you can fill out the mapped fields
20:24 mac3 in the sidebar box example: box header, box body
20:24 trialio wow cool, will try thaks alot
20:25 mac3 easy, np =)
20:30 JCal hey mac, ok, i created the DS/TO for a flexible content object... very simple, just a link area... no header, just link title & link URL, in a CO set to a section...
20:31 JCal saved it, etc
20:31 JCal but when i got to Pagetv module > {selected page} >
20:32 JCal i still cannot find anywhere to actually insert the element
20:32 JCal oooooo
20:33 JCal oh no, thats not it
20:34 mac3 you have to save it as "flexible content element"
20:35 mac3 the root element has to be mapped as "outer (include tag"
20:35 JCal yup
20:36 mac3 CREATE Data Structure / Template Object:
20:36 mac3 in this form you have a "Template Type:" dropdown
20:36 mac3 Page Template, Content Element, Undefined
20:36 mac3 these are the options
20:36 mac3 you need to select "Content Element"
20:37 mac3 so the system knows that you want to use it as a flex. content element
20:37 Denyerec koomi you there
20:37 Denyerec ?
20:38 JCal hmm, ok let me try
20:39 mac3 you can check all your elements in the templavoila site module
20:39 mac3 The following pages in the root line contain data structures and template objects:
20:39 mac3 Page header Data Structures: Template Objects:
20:39 mac3 just click on the first line of this table
20:45 uriahheep void: you around? :P
20:45 void uriahheep: yes..
20:47 uriahheep void: do you know how to find the last seen link in typoscript?
20:47 void last seen?
20:47 uriahheep yeah...
20:47 uriahheep just like TSFE:LastImage
20:47 uriahheep but for a link? ;P
20:49 JCal mac3: ok, i made a bunch of FCEs, they show up under templavoila module, in the top line i have "Page Templates | Flexible CE | Template Files "
20:50 uriahheep void: basically, i want to quickly make a button that i can put after a regular typo3 text element, and make this button just have whatever the last link in this text element was
20:50 uriahheep hmm, but never mind...
20:52 void uriahheep: for a CE, you can use lastTypoLinkUrl.. but it's not in TSFE
20:53 JCal mac3: ohhh, i use standard page module, and add page content, hit normal, and change drop down to flexible content, and select DS... ok i see, i think im on the right track
20:54 Edwinl Hello, who can help with little question ?:$
20:56 mac3 JCal: easy :)
20:56 Edwinl ??
20:57 Edwinl what:P
20:57 chefan i can
20:57 uriahheep void: nice
20:57 uriahheep void: thanks
20:57 Edwinl you can chefan?
20:57 chefan "why do i NOT get answers before actually asking my question?", Edwinl
20:57 chefan that is the question you should ask yourself
20:58 Edwinl when i add parameters to an url, its doesnt look at them, he filters it..how can i fix that?
20:59 JCal mac3: but now that i have made this page content, how do i get it to appear when i edit the page itself?
21:00 JCal mac3: cant i have my page use a template, and also add in some content element?
21:00 mac3 yes
21:00 mac3 you select the tv template for the page
21:00 mac3 those are 4 drop down boxe
21:00 mac3 boxes
21:00 mac3 2 of them appear after selecting the other 2
21:01 mac3 then you can add page content elements
21:01 mac3 including the flexible content elements
21:01 JCal thats after you click the pencil icon (sorry for all these questions, i REALLy appreciate you walking me through this, like REALLLLLY)
21:02 mac3 yep, with the pencil icon you enter the pages properties
21:02 mac3 there you select the tv template
21:02 mac3 after that, use the page module to add content ,)
21:04 pmk65 does anyone know how to access the setup of another extension, inside own extension? I need to access/read the ._DEFAULT_PI_VARS of indexed search in my plugin.
21:05 pmk65 I tried using $GLOBALS['TSFE']->tmpl->setup['plugin.']['tx_indexedsearch.']['_DEFAULT_PI_VARS.']; , but that only work on pages where Indexed Search is installed.
21:05 Denyerec pmk are you going to be around later?
21:05 pmk65 Yess on and off :)
21:06 Denyerec Cos I'm trying to do something with TV and am a bit stumped :
21:06 Denyerec :)
21:06 Edwinl pmk are you experienced user? :P
21:06 pmk65 what are you trying to do?
21:07 pmk65 Edwinl: yes, I have been using TYPO3 for quite a while (4+ yeas)
21:07 Edwinl can i ask you something ?:)
21:07 pmk65 sure
21:09 Edwinl ok..: i made an extension, but i want to generate the output of that extension that depends on what url the user is on.. example: if url = /index.php?id=21&tx_plug[cmd]=new then plugin should let see the new option of that plugin..but typo3 filters that part of the url, and i cant find how i can get it to work..do you know something to make that work?
21:10 pmk65 You want to get the value of the tx_plug[cmd] inside your ext?
21:11 pmk65 btw: is it a BE or FE extension?
21:13 mac3 $this->piVars should contain your variable
21:13 mac3 its an array
21:13 Edwinl its in FE
21:14 Edwinl i mail a link to user if they submit a form..in the email is a link , that should contain something like that line..so i can see what to do
21:14 Edwinl but it is not in the piVars..
21:15 mac3 weird
21:16 mac3 index.php?id=21&tx_plug[cmd]=new&tx_plug[somevar]=1
21:16 mac3 use this
21:16 mac3 and do a print_r($this->piVars)
21:16 mac3 in your plugin
21:16 Edwinl that returns empty
21:16 JCal mac3: ok, lol, so i have definitely used PAGE module to add Page content, where i selected the FCE and added in some stuff, but i just cant get it to appear? i can add content in the TV Page module no problem... am i trying to do something that isnt meant to be? I thought i can use the TV Page module to set the page design, using one of my templates, and then just use the regular Page Module...
21:16 JCal ...to add content as well...
21:17 mac3 did you clear the cache?
21:17 pmk65 Edwinl: you have the plugin installed on page id=21 ?, and the name of the plugin is tx_plug ?
21:18 mac3 JCal: and check if your template's ts setup is included in the page (the templavoila setup)
21:18 JCal mac3: ok
21:18 pmk65 Edwinl: try pasting your code into http://phpfi.com
21:19 Edwinl wait a minute please
21:20 Edwinl but normally it should have to display the id?
21:20 Edwinl cause now its empty
21:21 Edwinl and if i do print_r ($_GET);
21:22 Edwinl it gives the id, but not the &txplug..
21:23 pmk65 Is your class named "tx_plug" ??
21:23 pmk65 The prefix name should be the same as the classname of your plugin
21:24 Edwinl really, else it doesnt reconize it?:S
21:27 Edwinl cause if i do : index.php?id=9&user_test=1 it still doesnt print anything
21:30 pmk65 If your class is named "tx_plug_pi1", then your GETvar should look like this: tx_plug_pi1[yourvar]
21:30 pmk65 And in PHP you access it using $this->piVars['yourvar'].
21:30 pmk65 But try pasting in your code, so we can see it..
21:35 Edwinl http://phpfi.com/310133 ? i stripped down the code now, but that makes no sense offcourse cause it must show the pivars ..but doenst
21:36 Edwinl so i made the url like:
21:36 Edwinl id=9&user_registratie_pi1[cmd]=1 and doesnt give any pivars
21:41 Edwinl so i really dont know how i can fix that..
21:47 pmk65 Maybe it's because your class is named "user_" instead of "tx_" ?
21:48 Edwinl ya but i used now : id=9&user_registratie_pi1[cmd]=1
21:48 Edwinl and still gives no $this->Pivars
21:48 Edwinl piVars
21:49 pmk65 it could be that piVars only work if the class is named tx_ (I always name mine tx_, so you'll have to try renaming it and see if that helps)
21:50 Edwinl so in kickstarter
21:50 Edwinl i have to say: tx_ in front of excisting name
21:51 pmk65 rename "user_" to "tx_"
21:51 Edwinl ok..moment
21:52 Edwinl but wait..classname in directory = = class.tx_txregistratie ..that doesnt care right?
21:52 pmk65 remember to also rename the file itself
21:53 pmk65 class shold be in pi1 directory.
21:53 Edwinl it is in that folder..but has other name
21:53 pmk65 Didn't you use the Kickstarter to generate the initial plugin code?
21:54 Edwinl yes i did
21:54 Edwinl with the test form in it
21:54 pmk65 why is it called user_ then?
21:54 Edwinl i gave it that name lol
21:54 Edwinl in left box under options
21:56 Edwinl i will try it with new plugin
22:00 pmk65 edwinl: Here's a cut from one of my plugins, looks pretty much like yours except for the tx_ part. http://phpfi.com/310142
22:01 pmk65 If i call the url of the page with this parameter, &tx_samsekevent_pi1[email] then it's detected in the plugin.
22:02 Edwinl weird
22:02 Edwinl i will have a look:)
22:06 Edwinl do you make it as a cobj?
22:10 Edwinl or what?
22:19 Edwinl and do you get that from an form or an link?
22:34 Denyerec Yo PMK got a mo?
22:39 Edwinl think he is hone
22:39 Edwinl gone
22:41 Denyerec That would be very sad.
22:41 Denyerec For me at least
22:42 Edwinl for me 2
22:42 Edwinl im stuck xD
22:49 JCal omg, i am going friggin crazy
22:49 JCal i have been trying to get FCE appearing for HOURS now
22:49 JCal this is insane!
22:50 Edwinl and?
22:50 JCal just wont appear in FE
22:50 Edwinl lol
22:50 JCal i can create regular templates with templavoila no problem
22:50 FoBunko hi
22:50 Edwinl this is stupid 2 .. i want to get the variables from my url in my extension, grr:p
22:51 JCal create the fce, save the TO/DS, add page content... nada
22:51 Edwinl lol
22:51 Edwinl sometimes it sucks:p
22:52 JCal i literally, literally, have been workingon a 12 page, simple simple site for 33 of the last 48 hours, and cannot get the fce to appear
22:53 JCal i could create everything in plain templates if i wanted to be simple, but noooo... i gotta actually try to figure this out. if i had hair i would tear it out, burn it, and stick it in my cd rom drive before smashing my laptop through the tv and going to sleep
22:53 Edwinl lol
22:53 FoBunko do you think that would make that fce appear ? :)
22:54 Edwinl i want to give you a good feeling before you go to sleep, can you help mewith my problem?:P
22:54 JCal haha
22:54 FoBunko ya, tell him something stupid before goind to bed
22:55 FoBunko I've also spent some time to make 'name' field appear first in my record edit page but I think having category as first will be just fine
22:56 JCal if i cant get a plain old link area to appear in FCE i doubt im going to be able to help parse url variables and pass them into anything... except maybe the burning pile of stuff im about to start
22:56 Edwinl lol
22:56 FoBunko cmon, burn it burn, disco inferno salala
22:57 FoBunko (typo inferno ?)
22:57 Edwinl nah stupid thing..i found a article about the problem..but really doesnt helps me xD
22:57 JCal 33 hours, 40+ cigarettes, 5 cans of lipton, 1 order of KFC, 3 packages of crackers, 2 bags of chips, 3 bottles of water, 2 coca colas, 1 diet coke, 2 slices of pizza... zero fce
22:58 FoBunko you seriously miss some weed.
22:58 Edwinl all you can get, vs things you cant ?:(
22:58 JCal i wonder if weed would actually help this situation
22:58 Edwinl lol
22:58 FoBunko you may never know
22:59 Edwinl indeed he can try
22:59 FoBunko at least you'd be happy with no fce
22:59 JCal "Now, select the Template Object used for the Data Structure - as you did for page templates! - and fill in the form with content. You can preview immediately with Save Document and View:"
22:59 Edwinl :D
22:59 Edwinl maybe you laugh about it
22:59 JCal oh they make it sound so... simple
22:59 JCal "result:"
22:59 Edwinl ya, but it isnt:p
22:59 JCal result?!?!
22:59 JCal ill show you some result
22:59 FoBunko fill that form with content and roll it
22:59 JCal hahaha
23:00 Edwinl fobunko doesnt know what to do in my case?:(
23:00 FoBunko I do
23:00 FoBunko roll it.
23:00 Edwinl except that
23:00 FoBunko smoke it
23:00 JCal yeah, you should parse that url and smoke it
23:01 Edwinl lol
23:01 JCal you gotta break it up see... just like weed
23:01 Edwinl thats the problem he doesnt parse it:p
23:01 Edwinl like what else is working in typo3
23:01 FoBunko soz m8t I'm quite newbie in typo all I can do is push some bad jokes
23:01 JCal can YOU make fce appear?
23:02 FoBunko after smoking some dutch I can make EVERYTHING appear
23:02 JCal well then i hate you.
23:02 FoBunko welcome to the club
23:02 Edwinl dutch :Q
23:02 FoBunko last night I had Elvis appear
23:02 Edwinl Flexible content element is a typo3 element which can be created by user Or in simple words we can say a "User created Element". It is very simple to understand if you go step by step.
23:02 Edwinl that ome?
23:02 Edwinl one
23:02 JCal lol
23:03 FoBunko slow down, I'm quite happy I've created some records I can add in the BE
23:03 FoBunko (some record types)
23:03 Edwinl lol
23:03 JCal "point 'n click"
23:04 Edwinl you did that steps jcal?
23:04 JCal how about aim and shoot
23:04 FoBunko cmon shoot me I can make those things disappear as well
23:04 JCal lol
23:04 Edwinl jcal , ?:P
23:05 JCal edwinl: i think ive done everything, every option, but im sure im msising the basic necessary step somewhere
23:05 Edwinl looked on google?
23:05 JCal i mean, i have site... root page has TS, templates work fine... new page, new fce to/ds, all mapped and good... page module > add page content...
23:06 JCal the page shows up... no content
23:06 FoBunko shit happens when you are too lazy to code your own cms
23:07 Edwinl http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/TemplaVoila/FCE#Creating_a_basic_Flexible_Content_Element_.28FCE.29 ?
23:07 Edwinl i am not allowed to make my own, lol.. else i did that:D
23:08 JCal thats what i was just thinking... man... in 33 hours, i probably coulda just made my own CMS ya know, i mean sure, there wouldnt really be anything like an api, or like... yeah, anything... but damned if you could go in there and add some content
23:08 JCal and it would be stylized
23:08 FoBunko you're walkin my shoes then as well
23:08 Edwinl ah nice
23:08 FoBunko and you wouldn't have to bother with gpl haha
23:09 Edwinl grr stupid url
23:09 Edwinl Make the plugin a USER_INT type. In this way the page is cached only one time with a placeholder which is substituted by the content of the plugin being run dynamically on each request.
23:10 Edwinl yes if he recognize my url variables
23:10 Edwinl then i could create my output dynamically but no..dont ever dare to recognize my url variables
23:11 FoBunko give them some nice name, like tits=42&boobs=dd+
23:11 Edwinl no
23:12 Edwinl typo3 likes words as: jesus
23:12 Edwinl and stuff like that
23:12 Edwinl maybe that works
23:12 JCal hey edwin, yeah, that whole tutorial works perfectly, up until the point where it says "result:"
23:12 JCal and then has a screen shot of a page with content
23:12 JCal which is just obviously wrong
23:12 JCal since what actually happens, is you get a page thats blank
23:13 Edwinl ah ok, i didnt know, never played with fce
23:13 JCal oh
23:13 JCal hmm, so like, fce is a total waste of time, i really dont need to be doing that?
23:13 JCal i figured it was kinda important to understand
23:14 JCal cuz ya know, the whole like, adding dynamic content areas on the fly to various pages seemed like imprtant, but ya know, maybe not...
23:14 JCal maybe im bugging
23:14 JCal i think i should just make one big RTE
23:14 Edwinl haha
23:15 Edwinl hmm i dont know if its a waste of time:Q
23:16 JCal but so you have all sorts of stuff going on, since your making extensions... and you dont ever need fces?
23:16 JCal why do i need fces?
23:16 JCal i hate fces
23:16 Edwinl i dont know, throw it awat
23:16 Edwinl away
23:16 JCal yeah, fces is feces
23:16 JCal im done with it
23:16 Edwinl who needs typo3?
23:17 JCal thats a better point
23:17 Edwinl :P
23:17 Edwinl i must use it for my work..
23:17 Edwinl but else..
23:17 JCal yeah, see, my boss thinks its going to be great, since he has been working with some dorky cms from some web development company...
23:18 Edwinl ah relaly my boss is thinking that 2
23:18 Edwinl but i dont think its going to be great, if i dont have the knowledge for simle things like the url:A
23:18 JCal you know, i figured something was wrong with this whole approach when i read "as you can see, typo3 is just like the windows regsistry!"
23:18 Edwinl lol
23:19 FoBunko my boss thinks we should be developing typo3 plugins... =]
23:19 JCal i was like.... what? the windows registry editor? what? nooo...
23:19 Edwinl btw: you know anything about chash?:A
23:20 JCal hashish?
23:20 Edwinl no
23:20 Edwinl cHash
23:20 FoBunko I know chash
23:20 JCal roll it, smoke it?
23:20 FoBunko I csmoke it every now and that
23:20 FoBunko yayaya
23:20 FoBunko :D
23:20 Edwinl no, in the url:(
23:20 FoBunko I don't smoke in urls
23:20 JCal lol
23:20 Edwinl lol
23:20 FoBunko maybe public places, but no urls
23:21 Edwinl The solution to this problem is to cache only when known and valid parameters are sent. So in reality TYPO3 will cache ?id=123&USELESS_PARAMETER=[any random number] under the same identification as ?id=123 because the USELESS_PARAMETER is unknown to TYPO3 and the page content is the same.
23:21 Edwinl really that is my problem
23:21 Edwinl but the solution is not written
23:21 Edwinl lol
23:22 JCal no wait, seriously ... why is this whole system so psycho?
23:22 Edwinl because its made by a jesus freak
23:22 FoBunko it's just overgrown itself
23:22 JCal i am going to email my boss
23:22 FoBunko and is misses some small points of view like consistency?
23:22 JCal thats it
23:22 FoBunko tell him you're done
23:23 FoBunko switch to joomla :D
23:23 JCal im emailing him, and im gunna tell him something
23:23 Edwinl lol
23:23 Edwinl and im going to ask for a cursus
23:23 Edwinl lol
23:23 JCal i used drupal once, for like 10 minutes, and stopped that
23:23 FoBunko tell him you're changing religion and he should find a mohamedan cms
23:23 Edwinl if you want it to work -> let me take a cursus \o/
23:24 Edwinl or how do you clal it
23:24 FoBunko or muslim or whatever it's called in english...
23:24 FoBunko aren't you paid for learning it at home ? ;)
23:24 JCal but wait, are there any CMS systems that are like... really cool? and a bit flexible, a bit scalable, but mostly... ya know, easy to use? like, can totally take your templates and make some stuff dynamic?
23:24 Edwinl no
23:25 FoBunko jcal: almost all leading brands... but they have their own hassles as well I bet
23:25 trialio flow3 is gonna be what you want JCal
23:25 JCal flow3?
23:26 trialio typo3 v5
23:26 trialio underlaying framework
23:26 FoBunko will TS be dropped ? :)
23:26 trialio no
23:26 JCal i mean, ive messed around with HTML, CSS, javascript, php, sql, linux, actionscript, perl, cgi, jsp, asp.... all just played around a bit, enough to get familiar... but holy hell
23:26 trialio TS gonna be more like php Objects
23:26 FoBunko we're putting our feet in the same shit then.
23:27 JCal ive NEVER had this hard of a time learning the basic stuff
23:27 JCal i mean, i made a nice little PHP CMS, users, form validation, news, styles, ya know... took me about... 10-15 hours... wasnt that fresh, but it was functional
23:27 void trialio: flow3 is a question on dispute. will it be or not.. why should i use it?.. typo3 is here and it's good
23:28 JCal i spent about 10-15 hours just installing the thing
23:28 mac3 JCal: took me 2 minutes :)
23:28 void JCal: but you'll get perfect backend interface, easy localization, workspaces, ACL and tons of other stuff
23:29 JCal yeah, all this is true
23:29 JCal so many features
23:29 JCal its hard to dispute the feature list
23:29 FoBunko and tons of new unneeded stuff which you could code in half time ?...
23:30 JCal but what good is it if you cant even do basic stuff, like, add dynamic content all super quick...
23:30 JCal i mean
23:30 void FoBunko: if you don't need that stuff, use joomla.
23:30 JCal RTEs everywhere
23:30 FoBunko void: would you tell this my boss too ? :)
23:31 void FoBunko: no. i am agree with your boss and you'll really optimistic...
23:31 mac3 JCal: still messing around with the fce?
23:31 void FoBunko: you can't code competitor of templavoila or workspaces in even 2 years, i think
23:31 JCal mac3: yup... started fresh 3 times... nothing works
23:32 JCal i mean
23:32 mac3 pm
23:32 FoBunko void: do I need compete them ?
23:34 void FoBunko: maybe not. maybe yes. but joomla is bad at any case.
23:34 JCal mac3: is my PM coming through?
23:35 mac3 yes
23:35 mac3 mine not?
23:35 JCal no
23:35 FoBunko void: I don't know joomla. but I see some serious problems with t3. maybe just my point of view, who knows.
23:35 void FoBunko: which ones?
23:36 Denyerec Aye, which ones?
23:36 mac3 k
23:36 mac3 lets talk here
23:36 void FoBunko: i also see problems in t3.. let compare list
23:36 mac3 <div id="simplebox">
23:36 mac3 <div id="header"></div>
23:36 mac3 <div id="body"></div>
23:36 mac3 </div>
23:36 mac3 put this in a html file, and the html file inside your filedamin template folder
23:36 JCal ok good point
23:36 JCal right
23:36 JCal let me try that
23:36 FoBunko void: like having to learn TS for almost everything. like having some form definitions in some insane xml, others in php...
23:37 FoBunko there must be reasons for those, but I see these as a problem.
23:37 Denyerec FoBunko, I'm retarded, and I managed to get the hang of it :)
23:37 mac3 JCal: then go to the t3 file tool and browse to the html file, right click on it > templavoila
23:38 JCal mac3: yup, done
23:38 mac3 JCal: click on "Clear all"
23:38 FoBunko Denyerec: ya, maybe in some years I'll do that too. and waste some years on something which I can't use anywhere else. nuh, that's problem.
23:38 void FoBunko: TS is a configuration language. can be converted to JSON or XML or php array.
23:38 mac3 JCal: there should be only one root element now, map this to the first div
23:38 Denyerec Sure you can't use it outside of the internet... but I've been making a living with it, so it's no bad thing.
23:38 void FoBunko: that's not the main problem
23:38 mac3 JCal: mapping-type: outer (include)
23:38 Denyerec But, if it's not for you then it's not for you.
23:39 JCal mac3: yup
23:39 mac3 JCal: then map the two inner div's as plain input fields
23:39 JCal mac3: done
23:39 mac3 JCal: type: excluding
23:39 void FoBunko: will you prefer .ini files?
23:39 mac3 JCal: now save as and choose "content element" as template type
23:39 FoBunko Denyerec: currently I'm paid for learning and using it as well. but I'd be much happier to learn something I can use outside itself, that's it
23:39 Denyerec void - since I promised to make the TemlateVoila training video, a lot of people have joined asking about it.
23:40 Denyerec FoBunko, you're lucky. I didn't get paid to learn it.
23:40 FoBunko void: nope, I just can't see the need of a new language.
23:40 FoBunko void: and I'd be much more happy to have everything in xml for eg
23:40 void FoBunko: so, you want to use php array?
23:40 mac3 JCal: if you are ready with it, you can either check if the ds/to exists or go directly to the page module and insert the fce
23:40 void FoBunko: Java world lost you..
23:41 void FoBunko: XML is not human readable (and not human writeable)
23:41 FoBunko and especially very very happy to have a system that's not so powerful but also doesn't parse hundreds of lines of code for single pages as well
23:41 FoBunko void: nuh, a well formed xml is.
23:41 void FoBunko: not
23:41 JCal mac3: done
23:42 mac3 FoBunko: thats a good point, i used to run a typo3 system on a quite slow web server and it was like really sloooow
23:42 void FoBunko: xml is a language of machines. not humans.
23:42 mac3 FoBunko: our new server is handling it quite well though =)
23:42 mac3 void: it is at least human readable
23:42 void mac3: really? don't think so
23:43 FoBunko void: I'm using xmls for some time and I get along with them, but on the other side has some drawbacks as well
23:43 mac3 JCal: maybe create a fresh page first, choose the right template (4 drop downs)
23:43 FoBunko void: beleive me it really depends on the schema and formatting
23:43 mac3 JCal: and insert the fce instance there
23:43 Denyerec Well if you only need a single page, there are admittedly more appropriate systems out there.
23:43 JCal mac3: ok fresh page coming, inserting
23:43 mac3 void: depends on the scheme =)
23:43 Denyerec It's a CMS by nature of having content in sufficient volume to require management :)
23:44 void mac3: no. do not depend on anything. HTML is not human readable (otherwise we will not use browsers). and XML too.
23:44 FoBunko omfg. :)
23:44 mac3 void: but you could edit it, not like binary formats
23:45 void mac3: yes, i can. i also can edit plain text, YAML, JSON and TS. text formats is better than binary.
23:45 JCal mac3: wait, i made a new fresh page, but what do you mean "right template, 4 dropdowns"
23:46 mac3 JCal: click on the page root, choose "new", then create the site with the assistant
23:46 FoBunko void alright, what other problems do you see
23:46 mac3 JCal: choose location, template and title (forget the 4 dropdowns, this is only when you create a page without the assistant)
23:47 mac3 void: thats what i wanted to say
23:47 void FoBunko: typo3 is a perfect CMS for those who learned it. perfect for use. but not perfect for develop. it's poor framework and I hate writing extensions.
23:48 mac3 void: did you use flow3 yet?
23:48 Denyerec void - query
23:49 void Denyerec: where?
23:49 Denyerec you not see it?
23:49 Denyerec Ah I was not registered
23:49 void mac3: i looked at it's code
23:50 FoBunko void: what's a cms worth if it has a poor framework to work with
23:50 mac3 void: k
23:50 FoBunko void: I really think some things are overcomplicated and should be supported on lower levels only and let plugins do more work
23:52 void FoBunko: i don't think so
23:53 void FoBunko: if you need a perfect framework, use Django or RoR. If you need simple CMS, use typolight or MODx.
23:53 mac3 JCal: how is it going?
23:54 FoBunko :)
23:54 FoBunko ror is another mess for some so-called-programers
23:54 JCal mac3: ok, lets step back one sec.. ran into a couple problems
23:54 JCal mac3: i make a new page
23:54 JCal type > standard
23:54 JCal mac3: pagetitle > testing
23:55 JCal mac3: but here, am i trying to select also "page template structure:"?
23:55 mac3 yep
23:55 mac3 JCal: choose your template there
23:56 JCal mac3: one of the page templates i made previously, correct?
23:56 mac3 yep
23:56 mac3 JCal: there will appear 2 new drop downs
23:56 FoBunko void: alright, other problems ? :)
23:57 JCal mac3: i selected my std 1 col template i made earlier, only option was to add pagetitle
23:57 void FoBunko: that's all
23:57 mac3 JCal: ah ok, you did use the assistant
23:57 JCal i tried both ways, sorry
23:57 mac3 k
23:58 mac3 what way are you going now?
23:58 JCal mac3: so with assistant, made the page
23:58 mac3 oki, now add the fce
23:58 JCal mac3: page module > test page >
23:58 FoBunko void: alright. :)
23:58 JCal mac3: i see the left | normal | right | border areas
23:59 JCal mac3: so im going to add this content in the normal area
23:59 mac3 JCal: is this like you build your template?
23:59 JCal mac3: no
23:59 JCal mac3: this is like the default page setup
23:59 mac3 ok
23:59 mac3 then try to add the page without the assistant

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