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05:42 nkuttler hm, what about those index_search templates? the extension ignores my templateFile settings, editing them in the extension directory directly has no effect either, clearing caches changes nothing...
05:54 nkuttler ah, i get it. i wasn't using the indexed_search form but apparently another one that's included by default
06:15 nkuttler hm, the templating options for indexed_search look really limited
06:17 chefan bad time
06:18 nkuttler no worries, i'm not really in need for help. reading code helps.
06:19 chefan very true
06:19 chefan personally i think if you really have to rely on help from support irc channels, you are pretty much fucked anyway
06:20 chefan they are great to point you to things you still have to learn or to issues you might have overlooked
06:20 chefan and for an occasional hint from people with more experience in special fields
06:20 nkuttler hehe, i just googled about the template issue and somebody seriously asked on some mailing list if it was possible to edit it in dreamweaver...
06:21 chefan pixelpushing is quite popular these days
06:21 nkuttler i just think that typo3 has some rough edges where you have to edit the source if you want good results
06:21 chefan i was asked recently if i know a good ide to program html
06:22 chefan i agree
06:22 chefan it's what happens if a code base grows with the ambitions of the creators
06:22 chefan it gets messy
06:23 nkuttler well, i'm confortable editing the source, so all is fine
06:23 nkuttler but i was a little surprised nonetheless
06:23 chefan same here
06:23 chefan why is that?
06:24 chefan open source developers are not more or less geniouses than you are
06:24 nkuttler yeah, i know i'm free to send in patches
06:24 chefan if they were, they'd have no time to develop open source, but rather busy replying politely to job offers :)
06:25 nkuttler well...
06:25 chefan i don't mind sending in patches
06:25 chefan what frustrates me if you offer bug fixes on bug trackers and don't get replies or support even after explaining the bug thoroughly
06:25 nkuttler it's just that patching so that it works for you is so much less work than patching it that it works for everybody
06:26 nkuttler oh, that sucks
06:26 chefan exactly
06:26 chefan makes you fix it for your own purposes and that's it
06:26 chefan not quite the open source idea
06:26 chefan reminds me that i still have to write my license
06:28 chefan i think most open source licenses suck
06:28 chefan they all lack common sense
06:29 chefan another thing that's frustrating is if code does not do what the little bit of documentation says :)
06:32 nkuttler heh, the code IS the documentation ;)
06:43 chefan i second that only partially
06:43 chefan a bit of docstring or similar stuff should be best practice
06:44 chefan off course with a bit of consideration i can write code that documents itself
06:44 chefan but still a hint here and there on not too obvious things might help
06:44 chefan an example
06:45 chefan i found a connect method in an open source project that is buggy
06:46 chefan i would not have known that it is buggy if it wasn't for the description in the documentation what its intended use is, but would just have assumed that it does what it has to do, just that i don't get what that is and where it might be used
06:46 chefan in purely sequential code the code might be enough, in oop it isn't
09:35 d|g hi all
10:55 just2b hi
10:55 just2b anyone here?
11:25 Faulix is it possible to show the navigation in a defined language if the chosen language does not contain the navigation in the chose language
11:25 Faulix i mean the navigation titles
12:23 nkuttler Faulix: content_fallback should do that
12:23 nkuttler config.sys_language_mode
12:25 Faulix sys_language_mode = content_fallback ; 1,0
12:25 Faulix sys_language_overlay = hideNonTranslated
12:25 Faulix you mean this nkuttler, or?
12:26 Faulix now the content is in the language with the id 1, but the navigation is still in the language 0 (as standard defined), but it should be 1
12:26 nkuttler kind of. :1,0
12:26 nkuttler ah
12:27 Faulix or did i something wrong?
12:31 nkuttler http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=6009
12:33 Faulix ahh a bug
12:33 Faulix my first bug ^^
12:33 nkuttler the report suggests a solution
12:34 Faulix but that doesn't work
12:34 nkuttler :/
12:34 Faulix still german navigation insteed of the english (1)
12:36 Faulix headlines now in english, but navigation still german (default)
12:37 nkuttler if i read the report correctly you have to apply the included patches or install the linked extension
12:41 Faulix ahh with the patch it works
12:41 Faulix first i only tried the ts config
12:41 nkuttler lesen bildet ;)
12:41 Faulix sag halt dass du deutsch kannst :D
12:42 Faulix woran haste gemerkt dass ich dt bin?
12:42 Faulix am schlechten englisch? ^^
12:42 nkuttler whois. um die uhrzeit auch nahe liegend
12:42 nkuttler und de, ru, en
12:42 Faulix ^^
12:42 timdeluxe or because the default in the described problem is german ;)
12:42 Faulix hmm das mount problem ist aber wohl nicht gefixt damit
12:43 Faulix but there is still the mount problem, if i mount a site the fallback does not work in any way
12:44 Faulix has someone a solution for that?
13:49 peyrol hello
13:51 peyrol i'm looking for some help. After creating extension plugin how it is modern template building part 2+3 i have got blank page. Of course I used other template files not this from extension... but I spent few hours and I don't know how I can reslove this problem
13:52 peyrol hmm... maybe create log into temporarty file.. i will check this
14:40 untouch hello
14:41 untouch can any1 tell me a good news plugin
14:42 untouch and i need a good guestbook plugin also
14:42 untouch the names of the extensions
15:04 JohPie untouch: tt_news
15:04 JohPie and a GB is only a spamcatcher
15:33 peyrol so i get my $GLOBALS['TSFE']->page['name here'] is empty and i don't why
17:03 jopk hi
17:04 jopk I have a extension which provides a rte-field. when I insert a picure and save it all scr-tags are removed. any ideas why?
17:07 jopk sorry, image tags are removed. the whole <img> tag is missing after saving
17:12 jopk ok, it seems to be a config problem: http://i8t.de/zggqo89p where do I find this coniguration?
17:18 jopk where do I have to change typoscript like this: http://i8t.de/zggqo89p ?
17:34 untouch hi
17:35 untouch will anyone give me a few instructions with this tt_news system
17:35 untouch it wont work!
17:35 untouch my site: http://typo3.liquidc.net/index.php
17:35 jopk where can I edit page TS-config?
17:36 untouch the site aktuelles is supposed to be the site wich shows the news
17:37 untouch i added news extension and changed the aktuelles site content to insert type
17:38 untouch i mean insert plugin of course
17:38 untouch and then i added a sys folder as a subsite of the aktuelles site
17:38 untouch added a few news posts to it
17:38 untouch wont work
18:47 nkuttler untouch: you have to point the news plugin to the forlder with the news. the documentation is pretty good as far as i remember
18:51 untouch you mean
18:52 untouch the site "news" to its folder news?
18:52 untouch i did !
18:59 nkuttler how?
20:17 lolli_ Is somebody willing to test my new patch (RFC #5203: Feature: Implement fileoperation permission configuration from be_groups in core list)?
20:19 JohPie hi lolli_
20:19 lolli_ hi JohPie,
20:19 lolli_ your #8715 is still on my todo list ;) i will take a look next
20:20 JohPie nice...
20:20 JohPie I had mad a chance today
20:20 JohPie -chance + change
20:21 lolli_ yep ... thats why i didn't test before ... waiting for your change sugested by masi
20:21 lolli_ but i already gave you a +1 on #9172 ;)
20:22 JohPie I have seen that
20:23 lolli_ i just thought today: ok after #2222 and #9249 (both no-brainers) ... lets do some real stuff. so i looked into #5203. this is a nice one, i think
20:25 lolli_ and very usefull for me, too. my users are authed against a ldap directory. so its more or less a hack if i need to set permissions on user-level and not on group level, like the file permissions.
20:25 JohPie when #5203 goes in trunk, I have to change my make-script for new users :(
20:25 lolli_ why? backwards compatibility is not broken. you can still set file permission on usel level.
20:26 lolli_ s/usel/user
20:26 JohPie yes, but I will go with the new version ;)
20:26 lolli_ :)
20:28 lolli_ you will have quite some time to do this. there has been no commit of one of the big features for 4.3. so we are far from stabilizing trunk ...
20:29 lolli_ i am really looking forward to the new list module. i hope it will rock.
20:29 JohPie I wait for dam 1.1...
20:30 lolli_ hmm .. never used dam so far. this is one of the big t3 parts i never implemented to my installations.
20:30 JohPie I need to use dam_categories but with typo3 4.2 the user can't make new categories anymore
20:31 JohPie we need this, because the old one copy upload files and so we have files twice at the server
20:31 JohPie with dam we also can use quota for the users
20:31 lolli_ has a bug been filed for this? did you digged into the code? is it hard to implement?
20:32 JohPie what do you mean? quota?
20:32 lolli_ the categorie thing
20:33 JohPie I don't had the time to look for
20:34 JohPie and with dam1.1 it works..
20:34 lolli_ but 1.1 is not released yet?
20:36 JohPie yes
20:36 lolli_ to #8715 (by reading): don't use global $TYPO3_CONF_VARS; and $TYPO3_CONF_VARS['BE']['fileadminDir']); ...
20:37 JohPie question to #5203 what has the higher priority? groups oder user
20:37 JohPie ah...
20:38 lolli sry, my xchat just segfaulted
20:38 JohPie lolli: I only had copy it from an other place in that file
20:38 JohPie np
20:38 JohPie do you read my question?
20:38 lolli use $GLOBALS['TYPO3_CONF_VARS'] instead
20:39 lolli which question?
20:39 JohPie question to #5203 what has the higher priority? groups oder user
20:40 lolli they are OR'ed together
20:40 JohPie ok
20:40 JohPie for #8715: must I change this in all places in the file?
20:41 lolli no, change the global things only for parts you are changing
20:41 JohPie mmh... I see just now....
20:42 JohPie in your diff
20:42 lolli eg: in my patch there was a global BE_USER; statement and the only line using this was changed by me. so i removed the global there and used $GLOBALS['BE_USER'] instead
20:42 JohPie in class.tx_impexp.php are also usesd $TYPO3_CONF_VARS['BE']['fileExtensions']);
20:43 JohPie ok... I change it later
20:43 JohPie everything else?
20:44 JohPie anything else? shit english....
20:44 JohPie :(
20:44 JohPie it is not my language
20:45 lolli according to (not released new) cgl you shoul add whitespaces around concatenation dots and whitespaces after , in function calls.
20:45 lolli in line $filesInUserDir = ....
20:45 lolli i think this is the new cgl expectation, but i am also not 100% sure about this ;)
20:46 lolli i didn't test your patch, this was just by looking at it ... give me some minutes, i actually never really used impexp by now ..
20:47 JohPie I'm searching for the code in your patch where the two permission are match together, but I can't find that
20:48 lolli t3lib/class.t3lib_userauthgroup.php
20:48 lolli $this->dataLists['fileoper_perms'] |= $row['fileoper_perms'];
20:48 JohPie ah...
20:49 lolli that is in a function that loops through all user assigned groups, i just copied the workspace_perms solution
20:49 JohPie yes, I see
20:49 JohPie the only problem is, when some extension use the old code
20:50 JohPie $BE_USER->user['fileoper_perms'] instead of $GLOBALS['BE_USER']->returnFileoperationPermissions()
20:51 lolli then these extensions need to be fixed ;)
20:51 JohPie I think so, too
20:55 JohPie lolli: bad question...
20:55 lolli yep?
20:55 JohPie patch --dry-run < 5203.diff
20:55 JohPie won't run... have you a better Idea?
20:55 lolli patch -p0 --dry-run < file
20:56 JohPie thx
20:56 lolli you always need the -p param (this tells patch which parts of the directory to be stripped of)
20:56 JohPie ok
20:57 lolli and --dry-run does no actual code change, it just looks if the patch "would" apply cleanly
20:57 JohPie I know
20:59 lolli i will go for a walk to get a beer. but i will test your patch today evening, i promise.
21:05 JohPie lolli: your patch works fine
21:05 JohPie you will get a +1 from me
21:42 lolli many thanks, JohPie!
21:42 JohPie np
21:47 bmack JohPie and lolli: you are just great. Thanks for your efforts on the core list!
21:49 lolli thanks bmack!
21:52 JohPie thx
21:57 bmack sorry for being so absent on the core list.
21:57 bmack the last weeks
21:57 bmack I gotta finish one more client project hopefully next week, then it's gonna be rockin and rollin again.
21:58 nkuttler hm, is there a way to let anonymous users see the draft workspace version?
21:58 nkuttler through some parameter?
21:58 lolli great bmack, i am looking forward to this :)
21:59 lolli bmack, just in case you are bored: #2642 looks good to me, #9249 is extremly simple, steffens #9263 seems ok to me too, #2642 is tested twice from me please take a look, #5203 will need some real proof reading, #9172 should be ok, one might argue about pronounciation in #2222 but its in fact a no-brainer, and i will try to test #8715 right now. and if you are really bored you might take a look into some of the still open bt issues mentioned in th
21:59 lolli e bugday wiki page from yesterday ;)
21:59 bmack lolli, that's why I wanted your IM, so I could a list of RFCs to check from you :-D
22:01 lolli that would be great :) i use the tag feature in thunderbird to mark issues as work (if i have given a vote or a patch), so its quite simple for me to filter threads i commited work to.
22:01 bmack yeah, I just started to do so last week
22:02 Amr0d hello
22:02 bmack hey
22:03 Amr0d is there any way that templavoila does not create this example pages when i want to setup a new template?
22:03 lolli yep, very usefull feature. as soon as a patch has been commited i just remove the work tag and mark it as done. (always just on the top level post of the thread). so i have a simpel visual green / yellow feedback
22:03 Amr0d i only want to use the pages created by me
22:04 lolli and black threads are just things i don't want to touch ;)
22:05 bmack :-D
22:06 bmack @Amr0d: don't know what you mean, what templavoila example pages do you mean?
22:06 bmack I always get a clean setup going.
22:08 Amr0d when i click on templavoila in the menu on the left side i can define a template and after i have chosen a template file i type in the name of the site, the url and the user who is allowed to edit it, templavoila creates something like the following
22:08 Amr0d http://it-republik.de/zonen/magazine/onlineartikel/pspic/picture_file/14/Abb24864a1b006b2f.gif
22:08 Amr0d and i already have my own pages created and don't need this things created by TV
22:09 bmack ok
22:09 bmack this is how you do it.
22:09 bmack on a new site, instead of using the "Templavoila Control Center", you go to "Filelist"
22:09 bmack then to fileadmin/templates/
22:09 bmack or wherever your templates are stored
22:10 bmack then you click on the icon of the main.html (or whatever your template is called), and you'll see a "TemplaVoila" entry in the clickmenu
22:10 bmack use that to create a new DS / TO without having the sample pages added
22:10 bmack of course, before doing that you should have a TemplateFolder and Main page created already.
22:12 Amr0d hmm, i hope it works :) i am pretty new to typo3
22:13 Amr0d first of all i am getting this on top "Error No accessible Storage Folder found - please create one immediately! "
22:13 Amr0d ??
22:14 bmack that's what I told you.
22:14 bmack have you created a page structure?
22:14 Amr0d yea
22:14 bmack like: do you have a pagetree going?
22:14 bmack ok. with a SysFolder page?
22:14 bmack as a subpage or similar.
22:14 Amr0d yea its called "storage folder" like in the example pages
22:15 bmack ok
22:15 bmack then go the main page (the root page, the one directly under the globe icon)
22:15 bmack and edit the page properties
22:15 bmack there is one option "Storage Folder"
22:16 bmack you have to select the SysFolder there
22:16 bmack and save the page
22:16 bmack then do the Filelist steps again
22:18 bmack btw, Arn0ld: have you ever read about "Futuristic template building"?
22:19 Amr0d its in english :(, my english is not bad but when it comes to things like typo3 its better for me to read a german document
22:20 Amr0d the thing is i am working with typo3 for about 2 days now and nothing works ^^
22:21 bmack well, you're asking in english on this list and seems like you're doing pretty good :)
22:21 bmack check it out: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/tutorials/doc_tut_ftb1/1.0.1/view/1/2/
22:21 bmack it tells you exactly the same steps as I just did (except that it has screenshots :))
22:22 Amr0d like i said i can understand english pretty good since my sister is nearly married to a british soldier but when it comes to specific terms i am some kind of dumbass
22:23 bmack :) just ask here then :)
22:24 Amr0d i had a "typo3 for noobs" course a few months back but can't remember anything :)
22:30 lolli JohPie, i have a question to your patch: if a user exports to fileadmin/subdir/foo.t3d (he has a filemount to subdir), then an admin user is not able to reimport the same file, because only fileadmin/ (he doesn,t have special filemounts) is listed for him. is this ok in respect of the impexp module (i never really used it), that users are only able to import files they have uploaded / created themself? is this indended behaviour?
22:35 JohPie lolli: I would say yes. I have write the patch, because the user in our system must be able to import their old pages form an old system without TV. And we have more then 700 users an I don't won't import the files for all these users
22:35 lolli if yes -> your patch looks good to me and just enables users to import files they have created before. if not -> there should be a system to search for stored .t3d files in the folder tree and list them as import candidates
22:36 JohPie as an admin I'm able to copy or move the file to fileadmin, so I can Import the files
22:36 JohPie what do you think?
22:37 lolli yep, i see. so this patch is just to enable to reimport backups they have created before.
22:37 JohPie yes
22:37 lolli should mean: yep, i see. so this patch is just to enable non admin users to reimport backups they have created before.
22:37 lolli fine
22:38 JohPie or import files, which the admin has copy to fileadmin
22:39 lolli exactly: to one of the users mount point
22:40 JohPie no... to users mountpoint and fileadmin/
22:42 lolli so if a admin wants to enable a user to import a backup, he copies this to a users mountpoint, and if he self wants to import the backup, he copies to fileadmin/. but he can not directly import files of some non-admin users mountpoint, except he copies the file to fileadmin to import it later on.
22:43 Amr0d bmack: i did all the steps in the tutorial
22:43 JohPie yes
22:43 Amr0d but when i try to preview the page an error occurs with "no template found"
22:44 lolli ah, users can also import from fileadmin/ directly, even if its not in their mountpoint
22:44 JohPie Amr0d: has you create you page with "Seite (TV)"
22:45 Amr0d i don't know
22:45 lolli so your patch just enables users to import files they have stored to their mountpoints before.
22:45 JohPie lolli: yes... Dmitry ask for
22:45 Amr0d i have only done what the tutorial said
22:45 lolli ok. now i got it. thanks
22:45 JohPie lolli: yes, because they are not allowed to upload files
22:48 JohPie when a admin upload a input-file it is copy to fileadmin/_temp_
22:48 JohPie an there he can import it, too
22:48 lolli k. i think this is ok.
22:49 Amr0d JohPie: you're german?
22:49 JohPie when I have more time, I can make a patch with a config for import
22:50 JohPie so that user only can import from fileadmin/, their own dir or both...
22:50 JohPie but not today
22:50 JohPie Amr0d: yes, but not with much time
22:51 JohPie but I think, there was an TV-Tutorial in german....
22:51 JohPie but I don't know where
22:52 Amr0d the problem is that they using more template files and another page structure
22:52 Amr0d its not really the english
22:53 Amr0d i only made a html file with a 3 row table in it for testing purposes
22:53 Amr0d for logo, navigatio, content tests
22:53 Amr0d and they got pretty much things i don't need
22:53 JohPie talbe-layout? *shake head*
22:54 Amr0d any problems with a table based layout?
22:55 JohPie yes
22:55 JohPie have you read a table layout with a screenreader?
22:56 JohPie use div's
22:56 Amr0d its only for testing purposes now and a table was the easiest way for now
22:57 Amr0d i just want to get a stupid result but nothing works :) and minute per minute i am getting more disappointed :)
22:57 JohPie <div> test1 </div><div> test2 </div><div> test3 </div> is more easier....
22:58 JohPie what is your problem?
22:58 JohPie have you got a data-structure?
23:02 Amr0d ok changed my template file to divs
23:03 Amr0d data-structure?
23:03 Amr0d i don't know
23:06 chefan if it' a table, a table layout makes sense. have you seen div layouts on links? ;)
23:06 lolli bmack, i think we should get the pending docheaders patches finally commited (maybe to trunk only?). like #8492 these patches are one of the things that need to be reworked again and again if something changes. but i will try to update them if needed and if some core dev has time to look into them.
23:07 bmack sorry. I was coding (didn't look at the chat window)
23:07 bmack lolli, I agree.
23:07 bmack but last time i talked to patrick, he said he'll take care of it
23:08 bmack that was 4 weeks ago though (last bug day)
23:08 lolli good! didn't want to disturb you ... thats one of the problems of irc: it tends to call to much attention ;)
23:09 bmack :)
23:09 bmack yes
23:10 JohPie a spezial room for coders ;)
23:10 JohPie we need ....
23:11 bmack that's actually why I'm not on IRC that much. even the newsgroups take a lot of attention (at least to me, as I tend to answer often... ;-))
23:14 lolli yeah, we always want to direct things to the best possible solution.
23:15 JohPie I will do my very best, that the next patch is much better as the first time
23:16 JohPie -as +at
23:17 JohPie but first must my my first patch commited to trunk ;)
23:18 JohPie so.... I have to learn something for my Examen... cu later
23:18 lolli i try to safe time by testing and voting rfc's and sometimes sending an own patch. i hope this helps a bit to reduce load on you core devs.
23:19 lolli cu JohPie :)
23:19 bmack cya
23:22 Amr0d pfff, i think i'll trash all the pages and things and start new on my typo3 without TV
23:23 bmack what didn't work?
23:23 bmack (sorry, I didn't follow your whole problem)
23:24 Amr0d well, nothing works to sum it up :)
23:24 Amr0d i am close to destroy my keyboard ^^
23:25 lolli Amr0d, tv is the way to go. this is much better than the column paradigm in t3 (from my point of view). try to get used to it, the system really rocks. but like all other major features in t3 it needs quite some time to understand it.
23:25 bmack full ack
23:26 Amr0d yea i read about that and that was the reason why i skipped the normal t3 template things and installed TV directly after i installed t3
23:26 Amr0d but as you know, its disappointing when nothing works :)
23:27 lolli ok, i will try to help you. please tell me what you have done, what is working and what fails.
23:27 Amr0d ok, what works = 0, what fails = all
23:27 Amr0d i created a page tree
23:27 Amr0d with some subpages
23:27 lolli maybe we could switch to german in a query if that is more easy for you
23:28 Amr0d oh god, yes
23:28 Amr0d please
23:28 bmack let's go to a private (german) channel. I'm in :)
23:29 lolli ./join #Amr0d
23:30 lolli bmack, join #Amr0d ;)

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