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#TYPO3 IRC log from : Sunday 21 December 2008

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03:28 Phlogi anyone here?
04:40 samek Phlogi: wahat's up
10:14 turuburu hi
11:21 turuburu timtab or tt_news is better for creating a blog? or something else? what do u propose? thanks
11:25 oxygen-addict timtab uses tt_news
11:31 turuburu aha, sorry i did not know. then i can install both .then i suppose timtab enhances tt_news
11:31 turuburu thanks oxygen-addict
11:32 oxygen-addict yes, timtab combins tt_news with ve_guestbook and adds default-templates (with RSS Feeds) and things like pingback, blockrole etc.
12:02 turuburu thanks oxygen-addict
12:02 turuburu anything else you propose to enrich a blog?
12:04 oxygen-addict interesting content? ;)
12:11 turuburu :)
12:11 turuburu i have the latest typo3. in which case do i need realurl? what extras offer?
12:12 turuburu i mean typo3 by itseld does not offer clear seo urls?
12:15 s-andersen turuburu: You will need RealURL for nice URL's, TYPO3 has something built in, but I wouldn't recommend it
12:16 turuburu thanks s-andersen. i had idea that latest typo3-v4 had included most functionality of realurl. but since u say so, i ll install it
12:39 turuburu RealURL (BK)
12:39 turuburu what this bk means? what the difference from simple realurl?
12:42 turuburu how can i transfer a site and all the extensions installed from localhost to another host? should i just tar zxvf all typo3 directory and backup mysql database and then restore it remotely? in this case there will be some hardcoded directories that must be cleaned somewhere? is there any more sophisticated way to backup-restore sites and extensions and generally typo3 settings?
12:52 s-andersen turuburu: Just setup the basic TYPO3 stuff on the server (t3lib, typo3, index file, and that other stuff), then copy the directories: typo3conf, typo3temp, fileadmin and uploads to the server. Import your database to mysql and correct the settings in the install tool, and you should be all done.
12:53 s-andersen Use the RealURL extension, that has the key "realurl", there are lots of others you don't have to worry about.
13:12 TaucherMK hi, i have a problem with th_mailformplus. The extensions just prints out the name of the template... I get no warning or notify in the admPanel. The path is correct and the file is read- and writeable. The Template must be correct, because i use it in another typo3 site and there it works
13:13 TaucherMK i testet to load the improved_demo.html, but it results in the same behavior
13:45 s-andersen TaucherMK: How do you set the template?
13:46 TaucherMK i tested it with typoscript setting and in the backend form, it doesn't works either
13:47 TaucherMK plugin.tx_thmailformplus_pi1.default.mail_htmltemplate.value = fileadmin/mailform.html
13:48 TaucherMK this doesn't works and when i select the file or the improved_demo.html in the wizard, it doesn't works either
13:51 s-andersen If you rid the TS, and choose a template in the flexform, clear the cache, what happens then?
13:53 s-andersen If that doesn't give you any form, you could try to change the setting "useReference" in the ext. manager, of the plugin.
13:57 TaucherMK lol, it works...
13:58 TaucherMK i just commented out the template line in TS
13:59 TaucherMK thanks s-andersen
14:00 s-andersen TaucherMK: np ;)
14:51 turuburu s-andersen: thanks
14:52 s-andersen turuburu: np
16:41 tuxick lo
16:42 tuxick installing this database wossname extension blew up my install
16:42 tuxick nothing shows anymore, log gives Call to a member function admin_get_charsets() on a non-object in /shared/sites/typo3/typo3_src-4.2.3/t3lib/class.t3lib_install.php
16:44 tuxick yup, not even login dialog anymore
16:44 tuxick $this->character_sets = $GLOBALS['TYPO3_DB']->admin_get_charsets();
16:45 tuxick what is supposed to be in TYPO_DB?
16:48 pmk65 Is there anyone here who is not English, German, Danish or Finish speaking? :)
16:49 pmk65 As we need some additional translations for the TinyMCE RTE ext: -> http://forge.typo3.org/wiki/extension-tinymce_rte/Typo3fileadmin_language
16:50 pmk65 it's only 2 language kays, so it should be an easy task :D
16:50 pmk65 kays= keys
16:51 tuxick i can give you dutch
16:51 tuxick but i'm already about to give up
16:52 tuxick this stuff is still as chaotic as 3 years ago
16:52 tuxick even the docs haven't been updated
16:52 pmk65 true
16:53 tuxick i don't see how installing an extension can totally destroy the core
16:55 tuxick ah it's been discussed on forum
16:55 pmk65 tuxick: what ext is that?
16:57 tuxick database something
16:58 tuxick i can't tell now, since i just get a blank screen
16:58 tuxick database abstraction something?
16:58 tuxick http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=8936
16:59 pmk65 if you edit your typo3conf/localconf.php and remove all occurrences of that plugin, your system should be accessible again
16:59 tuxick ah, i was assuming that was done in database
17:00 tuxick but i'm trying this patch now, it looks credible
17:00 pmk65 if it doesn't you can always try my suggestion :)
17:00 tuxick yeah, thanks
17:01 tuxick anyway, what about this translation?
17:02 tuxick it's a fine example of "check instead of assuming a variable is set"
17:03 pmk65 Just enter your translation on the Wiki here - > http://forge.typo3.org/wiki/extension-tinymce_rte/Typo3fileadmin_language
17:03 pmk65 Same login/pass as on typo3.org
17:03 tuxick *cough*
17:03 tuxick wasn't that compromised?
17:03 tuxick lessee if i still have my account at all
17:04 pmk65 yes, and reset, so you should be getting a new pw which is encoded.
17:05 tuxick Reason: "/community/your-account/loginlogout/" could not be found, closest page matching is /
17:06 tuxick can't log in anyway
17:09 tuxick is tv still the thing to use/look at?
17:10 pmk65 In my opinion yes, bet there are some who still prever the old non-TV setup.
17:10 tuxick haven't touched t3 for years
17:10 tuxick i managed without back then
17:10 tuxick but i'll give it a go
17:10 tuxick anyway, i can't help you with translating, the login seems broken?
17:11 pmk65 afk. need to go get some cigarettes..
17:11 tuxick aha, it's konqueror
17:11 tuxick konq + t3 = no
18:28 tuxick following FTP i keep getting this red warning symbol on root page icon
18:29 tuxick how to find out what that is warning me about?
18:36 temro hi
18:36 temro is there a way to edit the html directly using the internal typo editor?
18:44 s-andersen tuxick: Warning on root page icon???
18:44 s-andersen temro: You can edit HTML directly in the file module
18:44 tuxick s-andersen: it was "hidden"
18:45 tuxick but i suppose this warning icon can mean several things
18:47 s-andersen tuxick: It should only mean hidden
18:47 tuxick oh ok :)
18:53 tuxick "The directory "fileadmin/templates/" (relative to the website root) does not exist! "
18:53 tuxick so which is it? template or templates?
18:53 tuxick FTB/examples are wrong or do i need to reconfig tv?
18:55 s-andersen tuxick: TV has evolved since FTB was written.
18:56 s-andersen tuxick: Maybe you should try this one: http://castor.t3o.punkt.de/files/podkast_julestue3-build-website.m4v
18:57 tuxick ok so i go with TV, thanks
18:58 s-andersen Which way to build your template depends a lot on the task, in my oppinion
18:59 s-andersen For komplex websites, I usually use TV, for simple websites I use standard template engine
19:00 tuxick well it is a complex site :)
19:01 tuxick trying to set up a demo to convince colleagues
19:01 tuxick one is a joomla clicker, so it might be a problem
19:01 s-andersen Flexible content elements are great, that's the only thing I miss when using the standard engine.
19:02 s-andersen I went from Joomla to TYPO3. I hated the way joomla worked, it really had a serious lack of flexibility. Almost every extension that could do something useful required a core hack.
19:03 s-andersen And just a simple thing like different backend access was completely impossible with Joomla, but that's more than one year ago, hopefully they have evolved
19:03 tuxick typo3 is very flexible but rather intimidating to new users
19:04 tuxick i've had hysterical users failing to follow even basic instructions
19:04 s-andersen tuxick: Depends a lot on how you setup the backend users and configure the RTE. In my opinion it doesn't have to be so bad, I have had lots of people start TYPO3 with no more than a text manual, who have made great progress in learning to use TYPO3
19:05 tuxick there's hope :)
19:09 temro s-andersen: how do i get into this mode?
19:09 s-andersen I can recommend making videoes of how you accomplish simple tasks. I made videoes for a community with about 20 editors, among them a man 70+ of age, who now uses TYPO3 with no problem.
19:10 s-andersen temro: Have you found the file in the filelist?
19:10 temro s-andersen: yes
19:10 s-andersen Right-click the icon and choose edit
19:10 temro s-andersen: but then i get into the html editor
19:11 s-andersen And you didn't want that?
19:11 temro s-andersen: i want an editor that doesnt convert enter into <br/> etc. i just want to put in my html without any side effects
19:12 temro this is not possible?
19:12 s-andersen I'm not following you. Do you want to an HTML file or do you want to insert HTML on your website without the editor?
19:12 temro well i want to put in html without typo3 fucking up my formatting :)
19:13 temro so the later
19:13 s-andersen temro, then make a normal HTML element instead of a TEXT element
19:14 temro s-andersen: how do you mean that? i didnt make any element as far as i know
19:14 s-andersen I'm having a hard time understanding what you actually want to do, I'm sure it can be done, but since I don't know what it is, I can't really explain it
19:15 temro ok thanks anyway
19:15 s-andersen Can you explain your situation a bit more?
19:17 temro s-andersen: im not really a typo3 user, i just need to add something to a website and have no real choice :) so i initially used this rich-text editor but had the problem that i couldnt really use something like <pre> with it. so i just noticed i can switch this thing off and use a plain editor which also enables me to input html. but the drawback of this editor is that it also converts enter into <br/> and some of the pre output still looks weir
19:21 temro i want to prevent that the editor does weird stuff with my html, the one i input is not the one it outputs
19:22 temro <span style="font-family:Courier,monospace">sometest</span> will become <span style="font-family:Courier,monospace"><p>sometext</p></span> for example
19:23 temro s-andersen: can i achieve this somehow or not?
19:25 temro this crazy editor just wraps every line in <p></p>
19:29 tuxick wiki shows "Providing TYPO3 (Multiple TYPO3 or virtual host Installation on one Webserver; Installation, Security)"
19:29 tuxick but that's no link
19:30 tuxick can typo3 use vhosts/multiple sites in one tree at all?
19:30 tuxick since i thought it could
19:38 tuxick ah, too easy :)
19:49 s-andersen temro: It does that on purpose, so that regular editors can't fuckup the layout
19:49 s-andersen You need to create a new element, the same way you created a text-element, there is one fo the type HTML, and this one isn't parsed
20:13 tuxick can't find it anyway
20:18 tuxick ah
20:42 tuxick wow, htmlarea keeps spitting out errors
20:43 tuxick i guess until FF blows up
20:43 tuxick [HTMLArea::initIframe]: Failed attempt at loading stylesheets: [Exception... "Access to restricted URI denied" code: "1012" etcetc
20:43 tuxick can't find a clue in apache error log
20:44 tuxick what's that restriction from/about?
20:47 s-andersen Failed attempt loading stylesheets, tuxick is that a PHP error?
20:47 tuxick no
20:48 tuxick it's shown instead of htmlarea/rte
20:48 tuxick nothing in apache log
20:48 tuxick it keeps flooding that forever
20:49 s-andersen Well is there any write access to the stylesheet?
20:49 tuxick i have no idea, where would that be?
20:50 tuxick it says "acces" instead of "read access" or "Write access"
20:51 tuxick classical mistake
20:51 tuxick typo3temp/rtehtmlarea is writable anyway
20:51 tuxick and that's in the url
20:51 s-andersen it should be inside typo3/sysext/rtehtmlarea
20:51 tuxick and can not even guess what the error is supposed to mean
20:52 s-andersen typo3/sysext/rtehtmlarea/res/contentcss/default.css
20:53 tuxick ah i remember now
20:53 tuxick the htmlarea exension installer failed
20:54 s-andersen Well it's a sysext, you shouldn't install htmlarea tuxick
20:55 tuxick uhm
20:58 tuxick HTMLArea::init]: Editor url set to: /typo3/sysext/rtehtmlarea/htmlarea/
20:58 tuxick and then the flooding starts
20:58 s-andersen Hmmm
20:59 s-andersen Perhaps you should copy the rtehtmlarea folder over again
21:01 tuxick this is getting annoying
21:01 tuxick copy from where?
21:02 tuxick what does this "make updates" button mean?
21:02 tuxick it's not english :)
21:03 tuxick it does show "A difference between the originally installed version and the current was detected!"
21:03 s-andersen tuxick: You are in the install tool
21:03 tuxick yes
21:04 s-andersen Do you have FTP access?
21:04 tuxick what kind?
21:05 tuxick something wants to upload data?
21:05 s-andersen Another question, did you upgrade TYPO3 from some older verison?
21:08 tuxick no
21:08 tuxick new install
21:08 s-andersen Then there should be no reason for upgrading in the install tool
21:09 s-andersen But somehow the fileupload must have been bad, maybe you should retry?
21:09 tuxick i didn't upload a new one
21:09 tuxick i just clicked 'install'
21:09 tuxick and it told me it wanted to upgrade something
21:10 s-andersen Hmm, I don't understand. Didn't you upload the source files to the server in order to install TYPO3 in the first place?
21:11 tuxick well i installed a tarball
21:11 s-andersen Maybe you should retry that tuxick?
21:13 tuxick a full reinstall because extension manager goofed?
21:13 tuxick "nstalling htmlArea RTE: DATABASE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED"
21:13 tuxick Please select which operations to perform:
21:14 s-andersen Or just do this: look in the folder /typo3/sysext/rtehtmlarea/res/contentcss/ is the folder empty?
21:14 tuxick and then there's that "make update" button
21:14 tuxick there's stuff there
21:14 tuxick default.css
21:14 s-andersen Well just click "make update" then
21:15 tuxick yes, and then i get this long list of options
21:15 tuxick and no "save" button
21:15 tuxick or "ok"
21:15 tuxick it does say "The extension is installed (loaded and running)!"
21:16 tuxick so no idea what those config options dialogs are about
21:16 tuxick this is also where it says "A difference between the originally installed version and the current was detected!"
21:16 tuxick and a list of files
21:16 s-andersen Yes, but that doesn't really matter
21:17 s-andersen Can you give me access to the backend, it's hard to imagine what the problem is
21:17 tuxick sorry no, this is a production server
21:18 tuxick but isn't there supposed to be some "ok" button?
21:19 tuxick afaic it's a bug anyway, it's looking in typo3temp/rtehtmlarea
21:20 tuxick well i have stuff there
21:21 tuxick aha!
21:21 tuxick it wants htmlarea_d1dec8a236685ad8492c_compressed.js
21:21 tuxick which isn't there
21:21 tuxick oh it is
21:21 tuxick just not fetching
21:22 tuxick and apache allows fetching, wget was ok
21:25 tuxick there's a guessthread about it in german
21:29 tuxick i did the windows thing
21:29 tuxick had to restart kde anyway
21:29 tuxick so did that, with fresh FF, logged in again and it worked
21:29 tuxick still no idea where the error was of course
21:30 tuxick i did clear cache as told
21:43 s-andersen tuxick: You have made typo3temp typo3conf fileadmin and uploads read AND writeable by TYPO3?
21:49 tuxick yes
21:49 tuxick installer insisted :)
21:50 tuxick but it's ok now
22:34 tuxick how does system 'guess' to map a content element to the template ?
22:34 tuxick i don't recally setting this anywhere
22:59 Trumpf hello
23:00 Trumpf do any one have gallery2 on there websites? And how did they get installed and working?
23:28 tuxick ah, it seems to have a problem with multiple content elements
23:58 tuxick heh, the news extensions still beta? after all those years?
23:58 jsfan good morning everyone :)

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