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01:02 gerards morning everyone.
01:02 gerards anyone know just2b's email? can pm to me? thanks.
01:05 Denyerec Hey gerards
01:05 Denyerec just look up smoothgallery in the T3R
01:05 Denyerec it'll be on there
01:06 gerards its not there.
01:06 gerards I'm checking his website.
01:07 gerards Denyerec: how was your day/night?
01:07 Denyerec So so.
01:08 Denyerec Putting another site together shortly
01:08 gerards must be fun to be so productive....
01:08 Denyerec need to read up on SEO to finish writing a report, then I need to read up on localisation for TYpo
01:08 Denyerec as the site I'm building needs to be in English, Polish, Spanish and Chinese... :S
01:08 Denyerec (Fortunately I don't need to read up on the languages too!!)
01:30 Denyerec Has anyone noticed Google have changed their tracking code?
01:36 gerards Denyerec: looks fine to me.
01:37 Denyerec They've moved from urchin to ga.js or such
01:37 Denyerec and altered the javascript required
01:38 gerards really? where did you read that?
01:38 Denyerec I just added a new site
01:38 gerards I didn't change my website html....
01:38 Denyerec and they now have two JS versions, one legacy, and one "new" for using "new features"
01:38 gerards ok..... :)
04:52 sessaid How can I show a player for flash video files in tt_news items (not just a file link)?
06:03 d|g hi all
06:55 Nav hello all
07:02 foool hi
08:16 Nav foool : do u know how to make ajax calls in typo3?
08:16 foool no srry
08:16 foool :(
08:16 foool sorry
08:16 Nav :(
08:16 Nav i m stuck in this issue since the last week
08:16 foool have you ever used accordion
08:17 foool i'm stuck on that
08:17 foool grrr!! 3 weeks
08:17 Nav i guess u r like me the
08:18 Nav :)
08:18 foool hehe not much of a help channel hahaha!!!
08:18 Nav :)
08:18 Nav yah i guess
08:19 foool The regulars here seem to think we are stuid as we are not up on typo3 like they are
08:20 Nav yah maybe
08:20 Nav but we r still learning
08:20 Nav we r doing our best
08:21 foool trying
08:21 Nav actually what i feel typo3 is a great system
08:21 foool fantastic
08:21 foool me too
08:21 Nav but documentation not that proper
08:21 foool frustrating though
08:21 Nav what u think
08:22 foool it is terrible compared to other sysems
08:22 foool systems
08:22 Nav documentation should be easy to read and not so complex
08:22 foool not user friendly at all in some ways
08:23 foool I work with joomla too for small sites and it is so easy and lots of docs out there
08:23 Nav yah iits so much easy as compared to typo3
08:24 Nav as joomla is following an MVC architecture
08:24 Nav but in typo3 there are so many
08:28 Nav typochur: have u any idea how to make ajax calls in typo3 wihout using eID feature
08:29 Nav in which i hav e complete access of every library
08:59 tomyN anyone home?
08:59 Nav i m using $GLOBALS['TSFE']->id; in an eID script
09:00 Nav but it is returning nothing
09:00 Nav what libraries do i need to include in my eID script?
09:00 tomyN I am trying to work with "FileList" and get "This module "file_list" is not enabled in TBE_MODULES" What shall I do now? Kinda lost...
09:02 Nav anybodu have an idea?
09:03 tomyN sorry, I am still new to all this
09:04 tomyN How to create a sysfolder?
09:06 Nav create a new page
09:06 tomyN k
09:06 Nav and then make its type to sysfolder
09:06 Nav simple!
09:06 tomyN argh, of course!! I forgot this again :\
09:06 tomyN Thanks
09:07 Nav :)
09:07 m0oman you'll get used to it after a while. :)
09:08 tomyN trying ...
09:09 tomyN I'd like to create a Playlist for an MP3 Player
09:09 tomyN On a sysfolder, just create a new element and choose «Playlist» from the list:
09:09 tomyN ??
09:10 tomyN sorry, kinda late here, found it ...
09:20 tomyN I get an error now, it says I need the extension "api_macmade"?
09:20 tomyN Would that be "Developer API" ? Cannot find anything else
09:21 tomyN and well it small print now ... better go to sleep now. Thanks, never mind .... ns ns ...
09:43 Nav hello
09:44 Nav does anybody know how can i access $GLOBALS['TSFE']->id; in an eID script
09:44 Nav it seems that the required library is not included when using eID scripts
09:45 Nav thats why TSFE->id does not return anything
09:46 Nav does any body have a solution to this problem
09:46 Nav i am stuck in this for a couple of days now
09:49 Nav hello???
09:50 RaKi i guess they are still sleeping
09:50 Nav :(
09:50 RaKi or are at work ;)
09:50 Nav plzzzzzzz anybody
09:50 RaKi and i can't help you
09:51 Nav otherwise i will just bang my head on the wall
09:51 RaKi have you already been trying your luck on the mailing list?
09:51 RaKi you might not get an instant answer... but it's the same here ;)
09:54 Nav it seems nobody worked on ajax on typo3 except me
10:02 Nav i m the only geniuos in this community then
10:02 Nav :)
10:09 typochur aehm
10:09 typochur you would be a genius, if it worked :p
10:09 typochur but since you didn't get the mistake fixed ...
10:09 typochur :p
10:10 Nav it will be fixed only by myself then i will be geniuous
10:13 typochur :)
10:13 typochur good luck
10:42 JunGle 10 Bonjour ( hello )
10:43 JunGle 10 I have a question. Why use a typo3 patch ? ( http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=5774 ) ??
10:53 gerards Nav
10:53 HardPhuck anyone using newscalendar ext?
10:53 Nav yes
10:53 Nav nop not yet
10:54 gerards Nav: you need to create a fe object first. that's not fantastically easy.
10:54 Nav i have done that
10:54 Nav but still it wont working
10:54 gerards but that's not the important thing.
10:54 gerards the important thing is, if you're in a eID script, TSFE shouldn't mean anything.
10:54 Nav to me it mean everything :)
10:55 gerards it doesn't apply.
10:55 Nav what if in my case i want to use it
10:55 gerards eID is "outside the page tree"
10:55 Nav then what??
10:55 gerards then you need to pass a uid to the eID script.
10:55 gerards eg. page 145 makes an ajax call to your extension.
10:56 gerards it calls index.php?eID=something&somevar=145
10:56 gerards did that make sense?
10:57 gerards you have to keep telling yourself, that the script that handles the eid request doesn't have a page id associated to it. its a script 'outside the page tree'. it 'belongs' to your extension.
10:57 Nav but by doing this page i have to send the page id
10:58 gerards yes, you have to send a page id.
10:58 Nav i just wanted to get thorugh TSFE->id object
10:58 Nav well
10:58 Nav may be i should try
11:01 Nav well gerards do u know any way to initialize realURL libtrary in an eID script?
11:01 HardPhuck crap, i need to fix an extension to xhtml compliancy
11:01 HardPhuck i hate to do that
11:01 gerards oooh... that's touch.
11:01 gerards tough
11:01 gerards Nav: that's tough
11:01 Nav :)
11:02 Nav yah i know thats why i m asking
11:02 gerards I suggest you try to do it in the calling script, then pass it to the eid script.
11:02 Nav i want that my links generated by my eID script must be realURL aware
11:02 gerards ah....
11:02 gerards whew.....
11:02 gerards :)
11:02 Nav :)
11:03 gerards very very difficult.
11:03 gerards I suggest you try to do it in the calling script, then pass it to the eid script.
11:03 Nav actually i have tried myself to load the realURL library in my eID
11:03 gerards :D
11:03 Nav i cannot pass links to the eID script
11:04 Nav they are generating from database from a query
11:04 Nav they are build in the eID script, they can not be passed through parameters!!!
11:04 gerards I suggest you #1 rethink your approach to the problem.
11:04 Nav and #2???
11:04 gerards when the solution gets complicated, its possible that we don't undestand the problem correctly.
11:05 gerards #2, try storing the links in a session.
11:05 Nav can u tell me the solution
11:05 Nav thats a bad idea :)
11:05 gerards or in a db table.
11:06 gerards like I said, I think you should be re-thinking the problem instead.
11:06 gerards eid is never meant to do such heavy stuff.
11:06 Nav prblem is that i m calling an ajax script which is an eID script which generates some html and some links
11:06 gerards can't you keep the links in index.php?id=84?
11:06 Nav i have made those links deal with typolink
11:07 gerards most search engines can't read ajax output anyway, so nice urls aren't important.
11:07 Nav i m not finished yet
11:07 Nav :)
11:07 gerards i'm sorry. please go on.
11:08 Nav after clicking on those links the normal page appears with out any ajax stuff
11:08 Nav so thats where sef urls paly theri part
11:08 Nav thats it!!
11:09 Nav now u got my point?
11:10 gerards so, after clicking on the links, the a normal page loads,
11:10 gerards with the url like www.my.com/index.php?id=77
11:10 gerards is that it?
11:10 gerards you want the address bar of the browser to say www.my.com/some/special/address?
11:10 gerards is that what you want?
11:11 Nav yah now u got it :)
11:12 Nav thats why i want to load realURL in my eID script
11:12 Nav so that links are generated like www.my.com/some/special/address
11:12 gerards why do you want a nice looking url in the address bar?
11:12 JunGle 10 Please How use the patch in bugtracker ?
11:12 gerards sorry for asking such a basic question:
11:12 gerards why do you want a nice looking url in the address bar?
11:12 Nav thats a funny question
11:12 gerards :D hahaha I think so too.
11:13 Nav all my website have search engine friendly urls
11:13 smeringe :)
11:13 gerards yeah but the search engine can't read the urls in an ajax generated webpage :)
11:13 gerards the page before the "normal" page is generated with ajax right?
11:13 Nav but what if the clients want that way
11:13 Nav :)
11:13 Nav yes
11:13 gerards tell them its impossible.
11:14 gerards okokooko i'm going to regret this....
11:14 gerards but
11:14 Nav u know clients how they are :)
11:14 gerards on the normal page, what you can do,
11:14 gerards is use javascript to change the address in the address bar.
11:15 gerards on the normal page, which is generated normally, use a php script to call the real url, and use java script to change the address. I'm not sure if it can be done.
11:15 Nav nothing at all
11:15 Nav :)
11:15 Nav but i have a solution right now
11:16 gerards smeringe: feel free to jump in anything :)
11:16 Nav i will generate the url manually means not with typolink
11:16 Nav and then i will feed the pattern in the realURL configuration
11:16 Nav and when the normal page appears then voila its sef urls
11:17 Nav yippy!! :)
11:17 gerards smeringe: feel free to jump in anytime :)
11:17 smeringe gerards: hehee
11:17 Nav hows that gerards??
11:17 Nav not a bad idea to me
11:17 gerards not bad
11:17 gerards theres one more solution.
11:18 smeringe it all feels so backwards..
11:18 gerards :)
11:18 Nav :)
11:18 Nav tell me plzzz
11:18 gerards Nav: from the ajax generated page, you generate links to ONE landing page.
11:18 gerards that landing page then takes the id, and redirects to the nice-looking-url-page.
11:18 smeringe but why have ajax when a reload is neccessary? am I missing something?
11:19 gerards smeringe: i can see why its necessary.
11:19 gerards think you tube.
11:19 Nav yup ur right
11:19 gerards you can generate a list of videos with ajax.
11:19 gerards this is done w/o reloading the page.
11:20 gerards then when a user see a video he likes, he clicks on it.
11:20 Nav think in one section ajax based content is listed and on clicinkign on it a new normal page appears with referesh
11:20 gerards it goes to anothr page which shows the video.
11:20 gerards Nav: you shuold have done iframes instead.
11:20 Nav i think gerards is now understanding my point totally :)
11:20 smeringe ah.. but.. ok.. :)
11:20 gerards its more search engine friendly.
11:20 gerards Nav: I understand your point,
11:20 Nav yaaaaaaakh iframess!!!
11:21 Nav no way
11:21 gerards i just don't think its necessary to use nice urls
11:21 gerards Nav: why not?
11:21 Nav they are gone with the wind
11:21 Nav iframes are gone a long way back
11:21 Nav and they are not sef friendly especially to google
11:22 gerards < I once had a termite problem. instead of buying insecticide, I hunted down the queen ant and plucked out her legs. This is so when all the new termites are hatched, the leg-less genes will be passed down. my termite problem was solved >
11:22 Nav :)
11:22 Nav nice solution!
11:23 gerards ok Nav. enjoy your solution! think about the landing page one. It might work. gonna go for dinner now.
11:23 Nav ok thanks
11:33 gerards that was weird....
11:34 gerards iframes are gone with the wind.....
11:37 animan hi
11:37 animan anyone here knows a nice plugin to save FE pages to PDF?
11:39 gerards try windows xp! :D
11:39 animan ? :S
11:40 gerards ignore me. I'm going for dinner.
11:40 animan heh, ok
11:51 animan anyone?
11:52 RaKi you mean: dynamically generate PDF-documents?
11:52 RaKi in that case: take a look at the extension pdf_generator2
11:53 RaKi (or something like that)
11:53 animan i'd like to have small link (similar to printlink) where i could save the page in pdf
11:53 RaKi well... that _would_ be nice... but it depends on your layout
11:54 RaKi animan: let's clear things up, what you want to do
11:55 RaKi do you want to make a button for other ppl to receive a pdf-version of the page?
11:55 RaKi or do YOU want to save a page as pdf (for yourself)?
11:56 animan yes, visitors should be able to export page as pdf
11:57 RaKi ok. that's not that trivial
11:57 animan :/
11:59 Jigal ries: are you awake?
12:02 animan i should use pdf_generator2 for that?
13:08 ries Jigal: not even now :s
13:13 Randomresult hi there
13:14 Jigal ries: I'll start a private conversation (while you're sleeping)
14:55 avb hello, is it possible to ask a question about the using of typo3 here?
14:56 ries avb: yes it is
14:57 avb i ve got a problem with the "menu/sitemap" plugin
14:58 typochur mh
14:58 typochur i ve got a problem understanding, what your problem is
14:58 avb when i select "menu of subpages..." it displays only one layer
14:58 avb but i want so show ist deeper
14:59 avb shit, my english is veryn bad
15:00 avb the "menu with subpages" displays only one level
15:00 avb but i want to let it show all levels of the page, did you understand?
15:01 Denyerec Yep
15:02 Denyerec There is probably an option to set how many levels you want to show.
15:02 avb hmm, can't see an option there
15:02 avb in properties of the element
15:03 Denyerec Is this the default menu/sitemap element?
15:03 avb yes
15:04 Denyerec 1 moment
15:04 avb k
15:04 Denyerec Hmm, you are correct, I see no options either.
15:05 Denyerec When I set the rootpage for it, I get the fully-expanded sitemap.
15:05 Denyerec Hmm.
15:06 avb you mean startingpoint?
15:06 Dander hi
15:08 Dander someone knows how i get the normal, translate to .. link, at the bottom of a FCE
15:08 Dander the localizations works, but only in the list module
15:08 avb is there maybe an typoscript code to make the "menu of subpages to these pages" show all levels (fully expanded)?
15:13 HardPhuck yes make menu.special = directory
15:13 HardPhuck something like that :)
15:13 avb where can i set this?
15:13 HardPhuck and then it's in reference to always be opened
15:13 HardPhuck in template
15:14 Dander look in the typosript object browser
15:14 avb i only want to set this for the "menu with subpages .." menu
15:15 Dander you'll find the typoscript for this menu in the typoscript object browser
15:15 Dander tt_content.menu
15:18 avb there is no tt_content.menu in contants&setup
15:18 Dander yeah, you must add it
15:19 Dander und if you choose typoscript object browser in the info & modify select box
15:19 Dander you can add it by click and edit an option
15:20 avb 1 moment
15:26 avb i added menu.20.1.special = directory and menu.special = directory to setup at info/modify but the menu doesnt expand
15:30 Dander you dont need spacial directory
15:30 Dander special
15:30 Dander first you need to know wich menu you have choosen
15:30 avb what i need then?
15:30 Dander because there are about 7
15:31 pulponair hi there
15:31 Dander you need expAll
15:31 avb menu/sitemap - type "menu of subpages to these pages"
15:32 pulponair ries: are you arround?
15:32 Dander expAll = 1
15:33 pulponair btw: hi just2b, hi Denyerec
15:33 Denyerec Hey pulp
15:34 avb menu.20.1.1.special.expALL = 1 ?
15:35 Dander ok add this to you setup: tt_content.20.1.1.expAll = 1
15:35 Dander but i think you need to add more levels
15:35 Dander tt_content.20.1.2 = TMENU...
15:35 Dander sorry
15:35 Dander tt_content.menu.20.1.1.expAll = 1
15:35 Dander i forgot the menu
15:37 avb i put in tt_content.menu.20.1.1.expAll = 1, and then?
15:37 avb sorry, i'm a real typo3 newbie
15:48 Dander do you know how to build an menu in typo3
15:48 Dander ?
15:48 avb sorry dander, that didnt work
15:48 avb no
15:48 avb i d
15:49 Dander hm you should read some documentations
15:50 Dander http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/4.1.0/view/
15:51 avb but i thought the menu is build automaticly, when i add an element
15:51 avb maybe you can help me with the code
15:52 Dander you need to add more levels to this menu, because in general it is for showing only the subpages
15:53 avb yes, for this i did this http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/My_first_TYPO3_site#Site_Map
15:53 avb tt_content.menu.20.1.1 = TMENU, tt_content.menu.20.1.2 = TMENU and so on
15:56 avb this is my code:
15:56 avb tt_content.menu.20.1.1 = TMENU
15:57 avb tt_content.menu.20.1.1.expAll = 1
15:57 avb tt_content.menu.20.1.2 < .1
15:57 avb tt_content.menu.20.1.2.expAll = 1
16:00 smeringe anyone being a smart as at flexforms..? I'd like to be able to handle the fields as separate fields when it comes to translation, like 'normal db fields'. See http://dev.merea.se/dump/flexformfields_translated.png for what I don't want :)
16:09 just2b smeringe how did you insert these fields?
16:09 smeringe just2b: with dynaflex
16:11 just2b so the problem is there
16:12 just2b dynaflex is missing the multilanguage thing
16:13 foool why ain't you replying to my brother just2b?
16:14 just2b why are asking these things in public?
16:16 foool we tried emailing you
16:17 just2b as i always said > i try to help if i got time
16:47 smeringe just2b: ah.. ok. bummer then.. :S
16:56 smeringe just2b: can I cry against your shoulder? :'(
16:56 just2b sure
16:56 just2b 1€ / min :D
16:57 smeringe hehe :)
16:58 just2b because I need to make a new template for skpagecomments right now
16:59 smeringe ok then;
16:59 smeringe so... 1145 rows in class.dynaflex.php.. where to begin adding language support :D
16:59 just2b forget it ^^
17:00 just2b localization is a very big issue
17:00 just2b but go on if you want to ^^
17:00 smeringe waaah.. just2b, I know! i know! that's why I'm crying ;)
17:01 smeringe *gnn.. well time to rethink and formulate a reply to the client.. And I who thought I had things coming my way.
17:04 ndee can't I make a page only visible for a special user group?
17:05 ndee got it :D
17:34 Denyerec hey purp you there?
17:34 Denyerec *pulp
17:35 Denyerec pulponair ?
17:35 pulponair Denyerec: just a minute
17:35 Denyerec Ok nps
17:35 Denyerec URL question for you ;)
17:38 pulponair Denyerec: shot
17:38 Denyerec Ok
17:38 Denyerec I have realURL running, as you know
17:38 Denyerec and now www.microwavemarketing.com microwavemarketing.com and microwavemarketing.com/home.html are all the same page
17:38 Denyerec How do I go about 301 redirecting all those things to www.microwavemarketing.com/
17:38 Denyerec (note the trailling slash)
17:47 moodaepo Denyerec: why home.html? when they are the same?
17:47 Denyerec When you hit the domain via the root url
17:47 Denyerec there is also a link in the main menu "back to home"
17:47 moodaepo better to keep the main www.xxx.com and make a separate "home" page as a shortcut to the root
17:47 Denyerec which links to home.html
17:48 Denyerec The issue is the shortcut page has the home.html as the name of the shortcut is "home"
17:48 Denyerec But if I am to redirect the non-www links ANYWAY, redirecting home.html in the same manner will be simple
17:49 Denyerec I just don't know how/where to do it to NOT screw up RealURL
17:50 moodaepo not a bad looking site by the way : )
17:50 Denyerec Ta
17:50 Denyerec was my first Typo3 site
17:50 Denyerec so it usually receives all the tweaks as a bit of a testing ground before they go elsewhere.
17:50 Denyerec :)
17:51 moodaepo I don't see any links going to home.html just main.html
17:51 Denyerec yes
17:51 nature hi
17:51 Denyerec same thing
17:51 nature i gotta not be doing *something*
17:51 Denyerec I'm a little tired and blurry eyed, so excuse the little slips.
17:51 moodaepo k no worries
17:52 nature so... since I know you are all dying to know what my issue is... :)
17:53 nature i'm adding categories to tt_news... but they don't appear under relations for each new article
17:53 Denyerec You're probably missing it in your templat.e
17:53 Denyerec EG, the templat eyou're using for output might not have the "categories" marker in it.
17:54 nature it's using the "stock" templates
17:54 nature and... it's not even on the front end that i'm not seeing it
17:54 nature it's on the back end for the actual article
17:54 nature under the relations tab
17:55 nature i wish you were getting paid to answer my questions :P
17:59 Denyerec Me too ;)
17:59 Denyerec which version of tt_news are you using ?
17:59 void hi all
18:00 void hi Denyer
18:00 Denyerec Heyhey voidus
18:00 Denyerec http://www.videosift.com/video/Mario-2-Drums :D
18:01 _maGe heyp
18:01 nature 2.5
18:01 _maGe im using calendar base 15.5 and realurl 1.21
18:02 _maGe but dont understand why when i add under filenam -> rsscal.xml.. it doesnt redirect to page 151 to show the calendar rss
18:02 _maGe doin anything wrong?
18:05 _maGe anyone can do a real url config
18:05 _maGe i want to redirect to a special page
18:05 _maGe with type=151
18:06 _maGe eg redirect every rsscal.xml to page=38?type=151
18:06 _maGe this should be possible with real url
18:06 _maGe but how
18:10 void _maGe: you can use 'redirects' part of realurl config
18:10 nature please please... one at a time when trying to address my tt_news issue. I'm overwhelmed over here.
18:13 _maGe i dont mean like redirecting
18:13 _maGe i mean like enter /calendar/rsscal.xml and get the page=38 and type 151
18:14 _maGe isn that possible?
18:14 _maGe oh now i understood your answer :)
18:14 Denyerec void...
18:14 _maGe searching 4 that
18:14 Denyerec You mention redirects
18:14 Denyerec and now www.microwavemarketing.com microwavemarketing.com and microwavemarketing.com/home.html are all the same page
18:14 Denyerec [16:47] <Denyerec> How do I go about 301 redirecting all those things to www.microwavemarketing.com/
18:15 Denyerec (Within RealURL, or in a realURL safe way)
18:15 gec hello...
18:16 void gec: hello
18:16 moodaepo Denyerec: I was going to say can't you just use .htaccess?
18:16 void Denyerec: i don't know which code is sent by realurl if redirect is used
18:17 gec does anyone have good typoscript experience? I want to do something in tt_news, but seems difficult.
18:17 moodaepo I haven't touched realurl config in years so I'm not sure there
18:17 Denyerec I'm just concerned if I .htaccess it if RealURL will complain
18:18 moodaepo I don't think so of course my real url config is quite simple
18:18 gec I want in tt_news, to have different html for each list item that has an image displayed, and different for each item that has no image - I want to wrap items with no image with a different class than those with image!
18:18 moodaepo try it and see if you break anything, is the site live? : )
18:19 moodaepo it's is freakin midnight nearly though or after...so test away I say!?
18:19 gec so if ###NEWS_IMAGE### is there for a news item, I would like to wrap the whole news item in div class="a", but if ###NEWS_IMAGE### is not there, then wrap with div class="b"
18:22 moodaepo Denyerec: http://phpfi.com/291700
18:23 Denyerec it's 1730 hrs here
18:23 moodaepo but I use realurl folder style not the .html style
18:23 moodaepo oh right I forgot
18:24 _maGe ah lol now it works
18:24 _maGe dunno what did it
18:24 _maGe i installed realurlmanagement
18:24 _maGe refreshed cache again
18:24 _maGe worked
18:34 hi-ho Hi, I would like to know how to enable the friendly URL instead of the ID number
18:35 Denyerec Looks like RealURL night in #typo3
18:35 just2b use realurl
18:35 moodaepo HAH! Is today "Ask About RealURL Day"? : )
18:35 hi-ho sorry I just got in
18:36 hi-ho thanks for the info just2b
18:36 moodaepo hi-ho: no it's just everyone's been talkking about it for the past hour at least
18:36 hi-ho moodaepo: realurl is a built-in extension or should be added
18:38 moodaepo should be added
18:38 hi-ho thanks
18:38 moodaepo if I remember correctly there is a wiki entry that explains it decently, I say you should read it first
18:39 Denyerec A lot of people prefer coolURI, but that depends on SImpleXML which may or may not be avaialble if you have a dodgy web host.
18:40 just2b a lot of people? i dont know
18:40 just2b i dont know why it is better
18:40 hi-ho moodaepo: If I add this extension, is it going to update the menu directly because the menu uses the Id now
18:41 nature looks like tt_news category night in #typo3 :)
18:41 just2b re
18:41 Denyerec just2b do you know if it is possible to add a nofollow parameter to tt_news links? I want all my [more] links to be nofollow so that the heading based links are the ones that pick up the search engine interest.
18:41 just2b i guess not by default
18:42 just2b i would do it in a 5liner ext
18:42 moodaepo yes/no you will need to change TS for realurl a bit, take a look at the wiki (if menu is being generated dynamically it should work right after that)
18:42 Denyerec What would said extension do ? Override the function that generates the [more] links ?
18:43 just2b generete new more links
18:44 Denyerec Being largely unfamiliar with extension authoring (I can hack, sure, but haven't done anything from scratch) care to shed a little more light on the approach ?
18:44 just2b make it via an hook
18:45 Denyerec So look through the tt_news code for the relevant point to hook into
18:45 Denyerec then create an extension that is called by that hook?
18:47 just2b yep
18:47 just2b there are already some hooks there
19:03 sessaid Is there a way to insert a content element that is based on a TS object path that is defined in the template, or just defined right in the content element?
19:08 sessaid Found it! ext tscobj
19:17 Denyerec Having a hard time with redirects here
19:17 Denyerec just want domain.com to redirect to www.domain.com
19:17 Denyerec but this:
19:17 Denyerec rewritecond %{http_host} ^domain.com [nc]
19:17 Denyerec rewriterule ^(.*)$ http://www.domain.com/$1 [r=301,nc]
19:17 Denyerec seems to kill RealURL and the server, returning 500 errors
19:19 nature yo Den...
19:20 nature sean want's to skype you at 2:30 his time
19:21 Denyerec Errrrrrm, what timezone is he in?
19:21 nature EST
19:22 nature that'd be an hour from now
19:22 Denyerec That is a super bad time, as my GF gets home from work around then and we cook & eat.
19:23 Denyerec And she doesn't like me spending the few hours a day we have together working :S
19:23 Denyerec (She gets home at 7:30 and goes to bed at 10)
19:23 Denyerec Small window :/
19:23 Denyerec Can he call now ?
19:24 nature hmm
19:24 nature don't think so. he just ran out for food and we have a dev meeting in 30 minutes. it can probably wait.
19:24 nature though I'm getting desperate for help over here :)
19:25 nature here's a question to ponder... not sure if this is the direction I want to take but....
19:26 Denyerec OK well now I know your timezone, which is EST, then "before 2:00pm" seems to be the best time to call me.
19:26 Denyerec I can usually work from 11pm -> 3am
19:26 Denyerec but I doubt you'll be in the office then either.
19:26 nature well
19:27 nature i keep odd hours
19:27 nature and i'm not in his timezone
19:27 nature i'm MST
19:27 nature which makes it 11:30 AM here in New Mexico
19:27 nature so... the basic GET string passed is index.php?id=13
19:27 nature but say I want/need to pass a little more for every page
19:28 nature index.php?id=13&bvd=1
19:28 nature any idea how I can get the extra param to write to the url for each page?
19:28 Denyerec Yeah
19:28 Denyerec It's called um
19:28 Denyerec L Vars
19:29 tokam_one how to set the symlinks on a webserver without a shell account
19:29 tokam_one nature: which book? do you have a german one for meß
19:29 tokam_one ?
19:30 nature the Typo3 book in english :)
19:30 tokam_one mhh
19:30 tokam_one an ebook?
19:30 nature no
19:30 nature hard copy
19:30 tokam_one what is it?
19:30 nature Altmann et al
19:30 nature i think it's the one they sell on the typo3 site
19:31 tokam_one but my 1st question is now for me more important than the 2ed about the book
19:31 tokam_one 1st question was how to generate symlinks without a shellaccount
19:31 tokam_one do you want to send me the book nature?
19:31 tokam_one or isnt it digital?
19:31 nature it's not digi
19:31 tokam_one ok
19:31 nature http://typo3.org/documentation/typo3-book/
19:31 tokam_one how long did you write on it :D
19:32 nature got it on amazon
19:32 tokam_one you got it of a friend and copied by hand with a pen ;)
19:32 nature lol
19:32 nature nothing on L Vars
19:32 tokam_one how to set the symlinks on a webserver without a shell account
19:33 nature i'm not sure how you could do that
19:33 tokam_one ok
19:33 tokam_one than i gone call the webmaster
19:33 nature and even if you could
19:33 nature it's possible the webserver isn't set up to allow symlinks to be followed
19:33 nature so ask your WM that too
19:33 Denyerec Hold on nature
19:34 Denyerec lemme get you a snippet
19:34 Denyerec config.linkVars
19:34 Denyerec that's what you wanna be looking into
19:34 Denyerec they're usually used for localisation
19:34 tokam_one mhh
19:34 Denyerec but I used them in the past to identify a text-only mode for a website.
19:34 tokam_one where to find config.linkVars?
19:35 nature oh
19:35 nature this sounds promising
19:35 tokam_one i need a symlink from
19:35 tokam_one cd /var/www/localhost/htdocs/html/mydomain/
19:35 tokam_one to
19:36 nature the site i'm currently building as constants new "sub sites". in that each time they add a new data for one of their fashion shows they need a new content related to that show. i'm hoping i can do it under one framework
19:36 tokam_one ln -s ../../typo3_src_1.5.0 typo3_src
19:37 Denyerec nature - your description sucked. Try again :)
19:37 Denyerec I almost understood...
19:37 nature on top of that they have four different types of shows (read four different logos) and two cities for each
19:37 nature ok
19:37 tokam_one and
19:37 tokam_one ln -s typo3_src/typo3 typo3
19:37 nature it's called business journals - the main site. under it they have four brands (Moda, Accessories, etc.)
19:37 nature each brand has shows in Vegas and Manhattan
19:38 Denyerec keep goin
19:38 nature so in the future they will continue to add new shows (new dates)
19:38 nature so my trick is to set up a framework but not have to add new pages for each new show(date)
19:39 nature so i figure a query string might look like id=1&venue=moda&city=vegas&date=021408
19:40 nature if you land on home page and you passed in venue=moda then we need to show the moda title graphic
19:40 nature that make any more sense?
19:40 nature if not
19:40 nature that's cool
19:40 nature cuz it barely makes sense to me and i've been pondering it for four weeks
19:45 nature i guess knott :)
19:45 Denyerec I'm thinking
19:46 Denyerec can you not hear the cogs?
19:46 Denyerec Do you have skype ?
19:48 nature yeah
19:49 nature oh, i thought it was the chant music i have playing. cogs!
19:50 tokam_one Denyerec: can i solve my problem with the symlinks with out the WM ?
19:50 Denyerec WM ??
19:51 nature web master
19:52 Denyerec You'll need shell login
20:02 ries php van also make symlinks... or not?
20:04 Denyerec Depends on the server config as to which shell commands are enabled / allowed]
20:04 tokam_one mhh
20:05 tokam_one i tryed to get a shell with my user name and password of confix
20:05 tokam_one but i did not get
20:05 tokam_one but they have a shh server there
20:12 evermind good eve
20:20 HardPhuck guys on the production server what owner and what group should be set for folders and files
20:20 HardPhuck www:www?
20:20 HardPhuck the webserver's user and group
20:20 evermind the same owner that your webserver is running as
20:21 evermind thats in general a good idea
20:21 evermind another idea would be defining in install tool, that files are created 0666 and folders 0777
20:21 evermind that way everyone has access
20:22 HardPhuck thank you
20:22 pulponair yeah really good idea pff
20:22 evermind well, if you want your stuff secure, dont put it on a web;)
20:23 HardPhuck no i don't need maximum security, just the default one
20:23 pulponair evermind: never heard of jails, chroot, safemode .suhosin and stuff?
20:23 evermind yeah, pulp, but that wasnt the q
20:24 pulponair no comment
20:25 evermind besides chroot and safemode dont really live on the chmod, that you set on files and dirs, and if you setup suhosin, you should also already know which perms you want where
20:26 evermind but those all are just glueing around things
20:27 evermind to real secure your precious stuff, if you really want it up the http way, theres things like htaccess eventually, or user sessions
20:27 evermind of course over https
20:28 pulponair evermind: that comment was related to your "if you want security dont put it on the web" stuff
20:28 evermind and typo3 is making copies of everything in typo3temp and uploads anyways
20:28 pulponair evermind: still no need to set the ownder to www
20:30 pulponair owner
20:30 evermind well, if you dont do that, you might have some fun with extension manager
20:30 pulponair evermind: one passable way is to set the docroot to owner: particular vhost specific user group www and set all necessary dirs to g+w...
20:31 evermind ok, if you have a per user vhost
20:32 pulponair evermind: root:www would also do it if that particular mashine is just hosting one vhost
20:32 evermind yeah, ok
20:32 pulponair evermind: but setting all docroot files to www:www /777 is really risky
20:32 evermind well, if things are buggy, true
20:32 evermind e.g. that whole javascript insertion stuff lately
20:33 pulponair evermind: yes ...wild running php scripts or code injection
20:33 evermind one more reason to code secure;)
20:33 HardPhuck so the bottom line is? :)
20:34 pulponair evermind: for sure but t3 is just a bunch of ugly grown code ...so its take care of the server configuration
20:34 evermind well, im an optimist, i believe in the ppls who code typo3 extensions and the core
20:35 evermind and from what ive seen the past 3-4 years, they always tried to be as good on the coding part as possible
20:35 pulponair evermind: tell ...tried yes ;>
20:36 evermind i havent had a break in the past 5 months on my clients pages
20:36 evermind and we run alot of self written and 3rd party ext
20:36 evermind we had exactly one web, which was attacked successfully, and that was an old 3.8.1
20:37 evermind bottom line, install ter_update_check and run it daily
20:37 evermind also update core, if theres new package out
20:41 HardPhuck so is it enough if i change user and group to the webserver (www-data or www) to achieve some default level of security?
20:45 evermind chown root:webservergoup -R yourdir
20:45 evermind but real security, as mentoined above, really starts somewhere else...
20:45 pulponair HardPhuck: dont forget to set g+w to all necessary directorys
20:45 pulponair HardPhuck: e.g. fileadmin etc...the install will tell you
20:45 pulponair HardPhuck: if you are planning to mix fileadmin and ftp uloads use a defined user instead and set "set uid on execution"
20:45 pulponair sorry guid
20:45 evermind i think the whole thing with perms is explained in the readme included with each t3
20:45 pulponair evermind: yes, but afaik the directory structure has change meanwhile that document referes to t3 3.5 or something but iam not sure
20:45 evermind i havent read it in a while too
20:45 evermind lately usually going for changelog
20:49 pulponair ries: i had a look at that aswing ..looks promising...
20:53 HardPhuck i'll read some more on the topic, thank you guys
20:57 ries pulponair: it feels a bit more slick then flex... however the community is small
20:58 pulponair ries: yes
20:59 pulponair ries: but anyway thank you for pointing me at it .....
20:59 evermind hmm, a replacement for flexforms?
21:00 ries evermind: what are you looking for?
21:00 pulponair ries: he is mixing flex with flexforms
21:00 evermind nothing atm, just generally looking around on new stuff)
21:01 evermind actually i was misunderstanding the ... after flex;)
21:04 pulponair ries: btw funny story: today one of our flash guys asked me to crossbrowser test a banner he build ...mainly the local connection and html stuff arround it ...well i opene all avaible browser and surfed the url .....everthing behaved totally strange...it took me a while to realize that "flash localconnections" ar working accross serveral browser instances ...hehe
21:05 tokam_one where do i found localconf.php?
21:05 evermind typo3conf/
21:05 tokam_one thx i found
21:06 tokam_one i have no shell account to the web server just ftp and phpmyadmin, so i do not know how to create the required symlinks
21:06 tokam_one because of that i can install typo3 also, install tool asks for the localconf.php because i do not open the installtool with a symlink including path
21:06 tokam_one i opened it directly
21:07 pulponair tokam_one: http://blog.diefirma.de/2006-03-20/creating-symlinks-on-ftp-accounts/
21:07 pulponair tokam_one: try to use a small php script
21:10 tokam_one mhh
21:10 tokam_one i try now
21:10 tokam_one to work with wine linux and windows
21:11 tokam_one to manage my task
21:11 tokam_one i want to create the link with linux
21:11 tokam_one copy it with wine to the ipod
21:11 tokam_one and with windows to the ftp
21:11 tokam_one :D
21:11 tokam_one LOL
21:12 ries pulponair: intresting!!
21:13 ries tokam_one: sounds a complicated procedure!
21:15 tokam_one damn
21:15 tokam_one wine works also with the symlink#
21:15 tokam_one lol
21:15 tokam_one i cant copy it like a file
21:16 tokam_one thx
21:17 tokam_one your php link is nice
21:22 tokam_one i have got a nice php book
21:22 tokam_one reading now about the function
21:24 tokam_one what is an machines id?
21:24 tokam_one the german word in my book is geräte id
21:24 tokam_one perhaps there is a better translation
21:25 tokam_one there is written down, that symlink(PHP 3, PHP 4>= 4.9b1) gives back a "geräte id)
21:33 timdeluxe talking about a linux filesystems?
21:33 timdeluxe -s
21:39 tokam_one mhh
21:39 tokam_one we talked about how to create the typo3 symlinks without an shell account
21:39 tokam_one and now i asked which id that function usually if it is not 0 gaves back
21:39 tokam_one is it the id of the file system?
21:40 timdeluxe ah, wait i'll take a look at the script
21:42 timdeluxe hm symlink() only returns a boolean value, which says if it had success or not
21:43 timdeluxe does that answer your question?
21:57 timdeluxe tokam_one: perhaps highlight helps :)
23:35 zumirdio hi
23:59 tokam_one timdeluxe: what is highlight?

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