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00:08 SeeeD hi
00:08 SeeeD i have a problem with my TYPO3 backend
00:09 SeeeD the style is really old and i miss some items, i.e. template
00:10 SeeeD but i donÄt know why the style has changed itself ....
00:45 falcon-01 j
04:07 falcon-01 In the extension manager, I selected "import extensions". After a long delay, it said there were 3000 extensions. How do you view them. I select "install extensions" and the list is very small. Only one unstalled backend extension + 3 other uninstalled extensions.
04:14 falcon-01 I try entering a string in the "Look up:" box, such as "mail", click "search" and it returns *no* extensions.
04:16 falcon-01 I was trying this because I was watching the "image_archives" getting started video and he shows clicking on the File->Images module.
04:16 falcon-01 Mine has no "Images" module.
04:16 falcon-01 I thought perhaps on the new Typo3, that module had to be installed as an extension.
05:17 falcon-01 Nobody can answer my question or is everybody asleep? :-)
05:30 falcon-01 Hi chefan
05:32 falcon-01 In the extension manager, I selected "import extensions". After a long delay, it said there were 3000 extensions. How do you view them. I select "install extensions" and the list is very small. Only one unstalled backend extension + 3 other uninstalled extensions. I try entering a string in the "Look up:" box, such as "mail", click "search" and it does not return any extensions.
05:33 falcon-01 I was trying this because I was watching the "image_archives" getting started video and he shows clicking on the File->Images module. Mine has no "Images" module.
05:33 falcon-01 I thought perhaps on the new Typo3, that module had to be installed as an extension.
05:41 chefan hi
05:42 chefan well
05:42 chefan i can only tell you how i install extensions
05:42 chefan i usually review them first along with the docs at typo3.org
05:43 chefan if i think they could suit my needs, i download them from there and import them manually from the local system
05:43 chefan it is not in any way more complicated than selecting them from the list
05:44 chefan another thing is, that part of the default system extensions are shy
05:45 chefan so you might want to review the installed extensions with the "show shy extensions" checkbox marked, to see if there is anything to tweak
05:46 chefan usually, shy extensions should not need configuration as far as my design philosophy goes, but who knows if other people might think different?
05:47 falcon-01 Ok. I enabled shy, It shows the addition System extensions taht are installed, but I still have not gotten a list of available uninstalled extensions.
05:48 chefan as i said, i didn't even configure direct access to the TER
05:48 chefan i prefer to review the extensions before downloading them and littering my server
05:49 chefan just go to http://typo3.org click on "extensions" and search for whatever you think you need
05:49 falcon-01 I can review them on the web site first, but it is still strange that I cannot access them to install throught the exension manager.
05:49 chefan read the docs (if any) and if it suits you, download it locally and you can import the T3X archive directly
05:50 chefan might be a configuration matter
05:50 chefan i don't know enough about the extension manager if it respects conflict info for instance
05:50 falcon-01 The video nor the manual said anything that I saw about having to configure anything to get it to access the repository.
05:51 falcon-01 It does have a mirror list URL already configured.
05:51 chefan well
05:51 chefan we are not living in a perfect world ;)
05:51 falcon-01 I want it to be perfec! :-)
05:52 chefan one thing i learned about computing is that you can rely on a howto or vido about a week after it was created
05:52 chefan things change rapidly
05:52 falcon-01 Actually, I know this worked a couple of years ago on typo3 3.x. It was pretty cool.
05:52 chefan and slight differences in platform, environment or configuration lead to a lot of derivations of a process
05:53 chefan i am sure if it worked then, you'll get it to work now. keep looking and googling ;)
05:54 falcon-01 Do you have any idea why I would not have the File->Image module that they show in the video?
05:56 falcon-01 He was demonstrating managing images with it, but I only have the File->Filelist
06:18 falcon-01 Hmm. It looks like it is communicating now. Don
06:19 falcon-01 Don't Know why it did not return any results to my searches, such as "mail" earlier. but I get a result now.
06:19 stubidoo good morning all
06:20 stubidoo falcon-01: at my installation it wont work neither
06:23 falcon-01 Mine seems to be working now. I think the reason I am getting so few results is because it is only searching *reviewed* extensions.
06:24 falcon-01 Don't know if that can be changed.
06:24 stubidoo hm
06:24 stubidoo this may be
06:24 stubidoo then i think its kinda worthless
06:27 falcon-01 Yea, because the first time I selected "Import extensions" it said there were 3000 extensions. But I do not seem to be able to search the whole list.
06:30 stubidoo O_O
06:31 stubidoo where can i remove the html-comment about typo3?
06:31 stubidoo didnt find it so far
06:32 falcon-01 Ah! Finally found it. Under the extension manager settings there is an option I kept overlooking to enable exensions without review.
06:34 falcon-01 Well.. I don't know if it worked though. I just searched for mm_forum and it did not find it.
06:34 stubidoo hm
06:35 falcon-01 Ah! now it worked.
06:35 falcon-01 I apparently had to re-import the extensions after changing that setting.
06:36 falcon-01 stubidoo: what html comment are you talking about? The logo in one of the standard templates?
06:37 stubidoo no
06:37 stubidoo wait
06:37 stubidoo theres a standard html comment in the html header
06:37 stubidoo i use my own template
06:38 stubidoo the comment begins with "This website is powered by TYPO3 - inspiring people to share!" & is 4 lines long
06:38 falcon-01 Oh.
06:38 stubidoo this stupid html comments ... ):
06:39 falcon-01 If it is not from your template, then I would venture to guess in one of the typoscript variables
06:39 stubidoo hmm
06:40 stubidoo nothing found in object browser
06:41 stubidoo its weird
06:42 stubidoo u know what comment im talking about?
06:43 falcon-01 I don't know then. I bet there is a setting somewhere. I don't mind personally if it lets you know in the comment that it is typo3. :-)
06:45 stubidoo hm
06:45 stubidoo but its more secure when its not that obvious ;)
07:42 chefan grep -r
07:45 chefan class.tslib_pagegen.php
07:47 chefan stubidoo: do you really want to replace all the links in your site with shortcuts?
07:47 stubidoo um
07:47 stubidoo is it possible that you dont want to talk to _me_?
07:47 chefan if not it's fairly easy to guess the platform from the link structure without even looking at the html source
07:48 stubidoo actually i use url-changing extensions ;)
07:48 chefan i was refering to the statement, it could be more secure to remove the comment from the page source
07:49 chefan ok, that's something different ;)
07:49 stubidoo so my links look like directory structure ;)
07:49 chefan besides, i thought the context was clear, after posting the lib where you find the comment
07:50 stubidoo a thank you :)
07:50 stubidoo sry ... i did something very different (;
07:52 chefan it's added to the content
07:53 chefan what you could do for instance is to look for a hook after page generation and just remove it before output
07:53 chefan as far as i remember there is a hook available directly after content compilation
07:53 stubidoo hm
07:54 stubidoo i thought about that before but i guess its not very nice, is ot?
07:54 stubidoo *it
07:54 stubidoo its kinda performance eating i think
07:54 chefan lol
07:55 stubidoo hm?
07:55 chefan we are talking about a simple string replace, nothing fancy, not even a regexp
07:55 stubidoo clearly.
07:55 stubidoo but we're talking about 250k pages (;
07:55 chefan if you have performance considerations, take a look at what happens in the rendering process
07:56 chefan and then drop using typo3 and write an engine of your own ;)
07:56 stubidoo :D
07:57 stubidoo i considered that ... but ... its just because i'm such a lazy *** (;
07:57 chefan while using hook points i was hinted on a documentation of the frontend rendering process
07:57 chefan with uml and all
07:58 chefan the caching considerations alone will eat up way more performance than a simple string replace with nothing
07:58 chefan besides, if you do it at the right point, it will probably be cached anyway ;)
07:59 stubidoo tha built-in cache is something i never really understood ...
07:59 chefan no wonder
07:59 stubidoo :D
07:59 chefan caching is the 21st century version of black magic
07:59 stubidoo you are native german speaker arent you?
08:00 chefan yes
08:00 stubidoo :D
08:01 stubidoo the built-in cache actually has no userdefined options. thats weird
08:01 chefan caching has similar complex considerations to follow as database replication
08:01 chefan well
08:01 chefan that's partially true
08:01 stubidoo i consider using xcache or technology like that
08:01 chefan for instance, what type of plugin you define makes a difference in caching
08:02 chefan hmm, i wouldn't
08:02 chefan every caching takes management
08:02 stubidoo but its not that "undurchsichtig"
08:02 chefan well, you could switch off caching alltogether in typo3
08:02 stubidoo dunno whats that in english (;
08:03 chefan obscure would suit
08:03 stubidoo yes.
08:03 chefan and just use xcache
08:03 chefan but there is a catch to that
08:03 stubidoo i think xcache (or an equivalent webserver-built-in cache) is much more performant than typo3 cache is
08:04 chefan nope
08:04 stubidoo O_O
08:04 chefan for a simple fact
08:04 chefan depends on the use case
08:04 stubidoo hmm
08:04 chefan imagine you have a small, almost insignificant portion on every page that is dynamic
08:04 stubidoo actually there will be some pages that use monthly or less
08:05 stubidoo and some pages will change hourly
08:05 chefan typo3 caching is able to cache most of the page and insert just the plugin with the dynamic data
08:05 stubidoo hm
08:05 stubidoo isnt the content generated by php?
08:05 chefan a cache outside typo3 would not be able to make such a decision
08:05 stubidoo nack.
08:06 chefan part of it is saved and just reloaded
08:06 chefan caching is non trivial
08:06 stubidoo xcache is used on a per-php-file base, notthing else
08:06 chefan seems easy at first, but as soon as you start working with it, your life starts to get interesting
08:07 stubidoo i really should consider building my own framework :/
08:07 chefan if you are bored ;)
08:07 stubidoo its not that much as it sounds like
08:07 chefan personal opinion is: if you have special use cases in mind, it might be worth the trouble
08:07 stubidoo because im very new to typo (;
08:08 stubidoo so actually im doing around fr over 2 weeks now and dont get as far is i wanted to
08:08 chefan if you are planning something generally usable, it's probably not worth it to reinvent the wheel
08:08 chefan 2 weeks for typo3 is nothing
08:08 stubidoo what does general actually mean? its just one project (;
08:08 chefan typo3 is huge by now
08:09 stubidoo i know .. but in 2 weeks i could code my own stuff (;
08:09 stubidoo excuse me for a sec
08:09 chefan if i have a small, well defined page that should run on low ressources, i avoid general cms'es
08:09 stubidoo that page isnt small
08:10 chefan small is relative
08:10 chefan a page can be huge with recurring structures
08:10 chefan in that case, the code base used is small
08:11 falcon-01 The source installation is 25MB. Not to bad. Twiki was 18MB.
08:11 stubidoo chefan: as i said: 250k pages, daily growing
08:11 chefan if on the other hand i integrate an intranet with a web presentation, b2b interfaces and intend to keep the solution scaleable, that's not small anymore
08:13 stubidoo hmm
08:13 falcon-01 And twiki wanted me to install a copy for every web site. I can manage all our domains with one installation of typo3.
08:13 stubidoo actually there's a difference betweens size vs. complexity (;
08:13 falcon-01 One of the many reasons it looks like we are choosing typo3
08:14 stubidoo hm
08:15 stubidoo the main problem is that i can use most extensions only by doing some manually hacks
08:15 stubidoo thats not that good (when updating i.e.)
08:16 falcon-01 hm
08:17 stubidoo next i have to include some kind of automation (push articles from dpa into the website)
08:17 stubidoo this will be the next challenge (;
08:19 falcon-01 Thats something I have been wondering. If there is a way to submit content externally via automated scripts without doing it manually vi the web interface.
08:19 chefan stubidoo: that's why i said 2 weeks is nothing
08:19 stubidoo there _must be_ sth like that
08:19 stubidoo without, typo3 is wothless for me
08:19 chefan you can patch typo3 on the first day of using it if you are a skilled coder
08:19 stubidoo (cant update around 50 press articles every day)
08:20 chefan and, yes, you can do that with typo3
08:20 chefan the thing is it will be hard work to learn how
08:20 stubidoo -.-
08:21 chefan taken you don't find a suitable out of the box extension, that is
08:21 stubidoo maybe i write my own f*ing api outside typo3 2do this (;
08:21 falcon-01 Are there already extensions for it or are you talking about hacking typo3 code
08:21 chefan stubidoo: calm down ;)
08:21 stubidoo hey its much easier that way ...
08:21 chefan review hooks and X-Classes
08:22 chefan that will save you from a lot of update problems
08:22 chefan and consider using existing extensions as inclusions for yours, instead of directly modifying them
08:22 stubidoo and ... wondering if FE-inserting (and/ or erditing) of news is possible?
08:22 chefan then you might get somewhere
08:23 chefan of course
08:23 chefan that is why typo3 is so big
08:23 stubidoo actually i am not using typo3 for copding my own extensions (;
08:23 chefan it can do about everything
08:23 chefan you just have to learn how ;)
08:23 chefan but?
08:23 chefan for the fun of it?
08:24 stubidoo if i have to code most of the stuff of my own i dont have to use it.
08:24 chefan i am not talking about most of the stuff
08:24 stubidoo i can still code all the thing myself ...
08:24 stubidoo *soudl
08:24 stubidoo could
08:24 chefan once you understand typo3, it will take you 5 minutes to add your functionality
08:24 uschi_ but why should you?
08:25 uschi_ morning chefan
08:25 chefan taken it does not allready exist
08:25 chefan hi uschi_
08:25 stubidoo uschi_: as i said before ...
08:25 stubidoo most of the functions i nedd dont exist
08:25 stubidoo rrrrah
08:25 chefan how weird
08:26 uschi_ stubidoo, what the hell do you need?
08:26 chefan are you sure?
08:26 uschi_ cannot believe this
08:26 chefan for instance, of course you can do frontend editing
08:26 stubidoo as i got information, yes.
08:26 stubidoo actually i need only a few existencially things
08:27 chefan as soon as there is a BE user cookie set on your box, you have an admin panel where you can activate that
08:27 chefan naturally, you cann connect FE users to BE user rights and implement that per default too
08:28 chefan even by page or structure, via user groups
08:28 stubidoo 1st i need some news articles with a controlling-workflow like "s.o. writes s.th. - needs to be reviewed by supervisor - and publish"
08:28 stubidoo i think thats solved by typo3 core
08:28 uschi yes workspaces
08:28 chefan ah, workflow :)
08:29 stubidoo 2nd i need to connect articles with user comments <-- still no problems on typo3 i think
08:29 stubidoo 3rd i need to combine articles with a kind of table-structure-event-database
08:29 uschi no, dmitry has coded a new ext for it recently
08:29 uschi cal
08:29 uschi will be your friend
08:29 stubidoo cal dont works the way i like to
08:30 stubidoo *doestn work
08:30 uschi what does it not do?
08:30 uschi cal is quite complex and can do a lot of things
08:30 stubidoo i didnt figured out how to combine an event date with different keywords and connect it to tt_news
08:31 stubidoo 1 news article is connected wth n events
08:31 uschi hm, there is a news service that lets you display news in cal
08:31 stubidoo does cal support diff categories?
08:32 uschi i am not an advanced cal user, i must say, you should perhaps ask in the cal news group
08:32 uschi sure
08:32 stubidoo like different locations showing in a table?
08:32 uschi you could set up the locations as categories
08:32 uschi one event can be added to multiple categories afaik
08:33 stubidoo and can multiple ecents link to only 1 news article?
08:33 uschi not sure, as i told you, i am not a cal expert
08:33 stubidoo hm
08:33 uschi you do know about the cal mailing list?
08:33 stubidoo additionally all that stuff must been done automatically
08:33 stubidoo must be done -.-
08:34 uschi ask all those questions in the newsgroup for cal, there you will find the answer
08:34 stubidoo hm
08:34 stubidoo alright
08:34 stubidoo thank you
08:34 falcon-01 what is cal?
08:34 uschi np, that group is really helpful
08:35 uschi a calendar extension
08:35 falcon-01 oh.
08:35 uschi massive tool
08:35 stubidoo actually all those links between tt_news an the calendar have 2 be bidirectional
08:35 stubidoo for me (in my head at all) its a really complex structure
08:37 stubidoo atm i try to solve this by tt_newsevents
08:38 stubidoo but the human-readable output is not that pretty (;
08:38 uschi stubidoo what does it look like?
08:38 stubidoo it looks like row-based linear output of events
08:39 uschi that is an ext?
08:39 stubidoo today, 6pm <foo>
08:39 stubidoo today, 6:15pm <foobar>
08:39 stubidoo and so on
08:40 stubidoo it extends tt_news
08:40 uschi i see
08:40 stubidoo mbl_newsevent
08:40 uschi cannot find it in ter
08:41 chefan prettyness is usually best solved with css
08:41 stubidoo http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/mbl_newsevent/0.4.7/
08:41 uschi there is a template
08:42 stubidoo chefan: ever tried to figure out how to set some column-based layout by css? like if you have a list of i.e. 20 events and you want to order them date-by-column?
08:42 stubidoo its just not possible ...
08:42 stubidoo uschi: but the template depends not on the content ):
08:43 chefan sorting is a matter of information structure, not of prettyness
08:43 uschi do not understand what you mean with that
08:43 stubidoo for example i got articles in a category with different dates like 1:01, 1:02, 1:03 ... and so on
08:43 stubidoo and you want to show it in different columns
08:44 stubidoo like hour 1 | hour 2 | hour 3 | ...
08:44 uschi yes, ok
08:44 stubidoo this is not solvable by temnplate and css
08:44 stubidoo only if there are same number of articles for every hour
08:44 stubidoo but there arent
08:44 uschi if you use a table
08:45 stubidoo how should this work? give me any idea (;
08:45 stubidoo the number of events per hour and the number of hours depends on the category (;
08:45 uschi too early for me to solve such questions ;-)
08:46 stubidoo ):
08:46 stubidoo weather here doenst look good .. i've to drive abt 250km today ):
10:56 nd_ Anyone has an idea what http://phpfi.com/299746 means? I get it right when I start the installer...
10:59 nd_ The installer worked quite fine, but while installing DAM I screwed the system... I thought that might be related to this message...
11:04 chefan you don't get a connection to the db
11:05 chefan you could access the database directly as admin and check the configuration
11:09 nd_ chefan: This message is from the first page of the installer. At this point (tell me if I err), there shouldn't be a connection to the db, as I didn't put in any credentials yet...
11:10 foool it will go away when you create a database normally
11:11 nd_ That's right, it did. As said above, I had several problems later on. So I can assume it has nothing to do with it?
11:11 nd_ (Weird that I have other systems where I don't get this message)
11:12 flops hi
11:17 flops i have a problem. i wrote an extension with an RTE-Text element. This element should behave like the normal Bodytextelement, how it saves data to the database and how these data is transformed for the frontend. but this text doesn't get saved in the databse with the p tags, someone a hint? in the kickstarter i already tried the options: transform content like the content element bodytext field and typical basic setup. is there a typoscripts
11:17 chefan nd_ that depends if the database exists, or has to be created
12:12 foool nd_ you may have uninstalled an extension and the database can't find the image or reference to the plugin anymore. You may still have the plugin activated in the content area and the extension is gone (uninstalled) if you catch my drift.
12:57 oversize hello, i have just setup a typo3 install. the symlinks to the sources seem correct, but when i want to access index.php just nothing happens, but theres no error in apache that index.php would not be found. if i create a file with phpino() an name it index.php in the typo3 site folder, the phpinfo() shows correct. what do i miss?
12:58 oversize i can access every file and symlink through apache in the vhosts folder, where the dummy site package was placed into
12:58 oversize but as said, if i access index.php just nothing responses, but apache does not compplain about not being able to find index.php
13:05 uschi hi koomi
13:05 uschi i need heeeelp
13:05 koomi moin
13:05 koomi shoot.
13:06 uschi koomi do you know how to get rid of <base href="mydomain.tld" /> in head?
13:06 koomi config.baseUrl >
13:06 koomi ?
13:06 uschi impossibe because that is needed by cooluri
13:06 uschi and/or realurl
13:08 Awillys hi there
13:08 Awillys any Tinyrte user? i am wondering why the 'Preview' button is not showing up?
13:09 koomi uschi: hmm. is <base / > a bad thing to have around?
13:09 uschi obviously
13:09 uschi look what it does to my to top link
13:09 uschi http://cms.uni-erfurt.de/sprachenzentrum/sprachen/latein/grammatik/kasussyntax/ablativ/einfuehrung/
13:10 uschi each link has to start with that
13:10 uschi and therefore a simple <a href="top">To top</a> becomes base/#top
13:11 koomi that sucks
13:11 koomi your template is tv-based?
13:24 foool I want to put captcha in formmail anyone know how to do that?
15:21 nd_ When I put in an URL into the RTE, it automaticly removes the http:// in the output and makes it a link. How can I change this?
15:39 vanelst Hello
15:41 vanelst I get
15:41 vanelst Warning: mysql_fetch_assoc(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /usr/local/psa/Users/<removed>/van-elst.biz/httpdocs/t3lib/class.t3lib_db.php on line 796
15:41 vanelst message after my attempt to install
15:42 vanelst would someone tell me what i missed?
15:42 vanelst as well as line 823
15:49 vanelst or a hint where i could look for the solution?
15:55 vanelst Is here anybody?
15:59 vanelst Is here anybody who would help for a small financial compensation?
17:59 chefan whats the deal?
17:59 chefan oh
18:00 chefan your database configuration is faulty
18:01 chefan you need: either a db user with the rights to connect to the db and create a new db
18:01 chefan or an existing db to use with a user who has the apropriate rights to that db
18:02 chefan oh, its gone since hours oO - i should do /names before answering questions to /dev/null
19:36 gs|hiraeth hello :)
19:36 gs|hiraeth anyone here with a slight knowledge of tt_news?
19:41 gs|hiraeth :-(
20:10 nd What is the best extension for a simple contact-form (mail-based)?
20:49 nkuttler hm, is there a way to automatically upgrade installed extensions to the newest available? Or some kind of mailing list that announces new versions?
20:52 void nkuttler: semi-automatically - yes, fully - no
20:55 Nipsting evening :)
20:57 Nipsting anyone ever integrated phpBB3 with typo3 ?
21:01 void Nipsting: me is going to
21:03 Nipsting you going to use an iframe to put it all into the same window ?
21:05 void Nipsting: no
21:05 void iframe is evil
21:05 void i'll make header/footer from typo3...
21:06 Nipsting yeah thats what I heard as well.. just dont know how else to include it into a content window
21:06 Nipsting care to explain how to do that ? :)
21:06 void i think that's obvious..
21:07 Nipsting not to me im afraid.. pretty new to typo3
21:09 void the simplest (and dirties way) is to make page on typo3 with no content, save it using browser, split into header and footer and place header part into overall_header.tpl and footer into overall_footer.tpl
21:09 void maybe in phpbb3 filenames was changed, dunno
21:10 Nipsting Ill see if I can get it working that way
21:11 Nipsting thanks
22:06 nkuttler void: care to elaborate?
22:06 void about what?
22:06 nkuttler semi automatic extension upgrading
22:07 void ah.. use extension ter_update_check
22:07 nkuttler ok, will check. thanks
22:55 ckoehler for some reason my form object doesn't retain values when i submit
22:56 ckoehler the form is just blank
22:56 ckoehler i have no_cache = 1 and noValueInsert = 0
22:56 ckoehler any idea?

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