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00:02 drindt what for a question...
00:15 vince2 I keep seeing comments in the docs like "For more details please see [4]". How do you see [4]? It is not a link and there are not footnotes or anything on the page for it.
00:19 IngoRenner good night guys!
00:21 void vince2: give us a link
00:23 vince2 Example: http://typo3.org/development/articles/release-notes-40/page/2/
00:24 void vince2: http://typo3.org/development/articles/release-notes-40/page/5/
00:25 chefan drindt: a valid one
00:26 chefan with loads of different answering possibilities
00:26 drindt chefan: i haven't asked for anything but thanks for messaging me ;)
00:26 chefan you're welcome :)
00:32 vince2 void: hmm.. so the number is an id number you replace at the end of the url. I tried it. went to [4], but the subject on that page is *API*. It said goto *[4]* for details on typoscript changes, but no mention of typoscript on .../4.
00:33 void [4] TSref: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/current/view/
00:33 void what is not clear?
00:34 void [4] is a footnote of multiple-pages document...
00:35 vince2 When I go to http://typo3.org/development/articles/release-notes-40/page/4 it is subject *API*.
00:35 void why do you went to page 4?
00:36 void 4 is not a page number
00:37 vince2 Oh. I thought when you said, http://typo3.org/development/articles/release-notes-40/page/5/, that was an example based on whatever the number was.
00:39 vince2 So you have to navigate to the last page of the article to get to the foot notes.
00:39 void yes =)
00:41 vince2 The see [#] for more details should be links to take you there. There was no way for me to know that from reading the page.
00:42 vince2 Also, is there any way to navigate directly to the footnotes? If it is a 10 or 20 page article, it takes an awful long time to get there clicking on the next page link for each page.
00:44 void vince2: i think such article is rare case for typo3.org
00:44 void other large articles (extension documentation, for example) have table of contents
00:46 vince2 void: Ok. Well I appreciate your clarification. At least I know what they are now :-).
00:47 void np)
00:51 vince2 Maybe Kasper or the page authors will stumble across a log of this IRC and realize those numbers should be links taking you directory to the page :-).
00:51 vince2 I mean "directly to the page"
00:51 uschi heeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
00:52 uschi i ran into a multilingual trap with tv
00:52 uschi void?
00:53 void uschi: what?
00:54 uschi i have a problem
00:54 uschi i have some FCEs for two columns thre columns an so on
00:54 uschi Via $TCA I reactivated the display of the normal header
00:55 uschi but in order to get my inner CEs displayed I have to set the language of the grid FCE to all
00:55 uschi thus being unable to translate the header of the grid FCE ...
00:55 uschi do you know what I mean?
00:56 uschi or what i am talking about?
00:56 uschi I wanted that my users have to insert the header twice
00:57 uschi a desparate uschi ...
00:58 uschi I hate TV and I love it
00:59 uschi or is this what i can use local processing for
00:59 uschi i guess not
01:00 void don't know, uschi... never dig so deep into TV
01:00 uschi hmmm
01:00 uschi shit
01:00 uschi I never thought of that problem
01:02 uschi anyway, have to sort this one out tomorrow
05:03 xsebi mornin
08:00 Hurricane #sde.sek75
08:06 Timoslav hi guys
08:06 vince2 hi
08:07 Timoslav lil' question..is there a typo3 forum or just the blog and mailinglist?
08:11 vince2 They have what looks like a forum at support.typo3.org, but it seems to be a mirror of the mailing lists.
08:12 Timoslav ok thx
08:12 vince2 Actually, looks like there is.
08:13 vince2 typo3board.com
08:13 Timoslav ah i see
08:13 Timoslav thanks dude
08:14 vince2 np
08:26 FloLeBlanc hi all
08:27 vince2 hi
08:41 vince2 Wow. I just watched the king of typo3 video about Kasper stepping down has head of development. I didn't know about that until tonight.
08:42 FloLeBlanc vince2: yep, koomi was quite concerned about the "posing as king" part :)
08:43 vince2 Heh. I thought it was kind of cute :-)
08:45 FloLeBlanc hehe
08:50 Timoslav hey guys is the HOI community EXT still in dev?
08:54 FloLeBlanc what is HOI?`:)
08:54 Timoslav http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/search/hoicommunity/1.1.1/
08:55 Timoslav or is there some kind of succedeer?
08:59 vince2 Timoslav: Looks like an interesting extension :-) Don't know. You might search the extensions for community to see what all pops up.
09:04 Timoslav ok i'll try thx
09:05 vince2 It's 3am here. Good night :-)
09:10 Timoslav n88
09:30 Randomresult good morning... or hello all!
09:30 Randomresult someone here has experience with tt-news -> rss feeds and german "umlaute" öüäß ?
10:09 FloLeBlanc re
10:13 wiuff Anyone who can direct me to docs regarding SSL on a multiple domaine TYPO3 installation?
10:44 Rapp hi everyone!
10:44 Rapp what is the best simple file upload plugin for typo3? i see quite a few in the extension repo.
10:48 Vanesa hi everyone
10:48 umc hey Vanesa
11:16 Denyerec Allo all
11:17 SWEMark Heya
11:19 FloLeBlanc hi denyerec
11:24 Rapp how do i use the frontend login? are there any examples available?
11:24 Rapp e.g. how do i use it to secure certain pages, and how do i add users?
11:26 FloLeBlanc Rapp: don't know where a manual is available, for a quick first start: you can secure certain pages by clicking on page - page in the navtree - edit page properties - and at the bottom there is "access" (this is for Frontend users)
11:27 Rapp FloLeBlanc, thanks.
11:27 FloLeBlanc rapp: you're welcome
11:29 FloLeBlanc rapp: as for the users. I use sr_feuser_register, in this extension you define a sysfolder where the frontend user records are stored, they are accessed by the "list" view afterwards (you could create new users there too) - I guess it will work similar in other FE-login extensions
11:29 Rapp hm, ok.
11:44 Rapp one more thing -- does the extension 'Front End User Admin' still exist?
11:44 Rapp i saw it referenced in some tutorial, but cannot find it
11:49 FloLeBlanc Rapp: yes it does, I had to edit it for my own needs however, it's rather limited
11:50 FloLeBlanc http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/feuser_admin/1.0.2/
11:50 Rapp well, i installed the sr_feuser_register extension now. it might do what i need :)
11:50 FloLeBlanc Rapp: careful, sr_feuser_register is extremely hard to manage/template
11:50 FloLeBlanc :)
11:50 Rapp *sigh*
11:51 Rapp all i want is a SIMPLE way to authenticate a handful of manually added users...
11:51 Rapp for a handful of pages
11:51 FloLeBlanc rapp: don't the current versions of t3 do that by default?
11:51 Rapp does it? how?
11:51 Rapp i did not even find out how to add frontend users?
11:52 Rapp i find this all very poorly documented :-(
11:52 chefan it is atm
11:52 chefan create a system folder
11:53 Rapp yes?
11:53 chefan and drop a login box on your front page, referencing that system folder
11:53 Rapp ok...
11:54 chefan just a sec
11:54 Rapp what does "referencing that system folder" mean>
11:54 Rapp ?
11:55 Denyerec I am wondiering if this is "Against" the beliefs of Typo3 : http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/extension-manuals/msm_self_brand_typo3/1.0.1/view/1/1/#id3693685
11:56 chefan beliefs?
11:58 Rapp chefan, how do i proceed with the login?
11:59 chefan ok, you need a system folder named "FEUsers
11:59 Rapp folder?
11:59 Rapp in the fileadmin?
11:59 chefan you just add it like any other page in the page tree
11:59 chefan just as type "system folder"
11:59 Rapp ohhhh
12:00 chefan in that system folder you can add records of front end users
12:00 Rapp hm, i do not get the option of a "system folder"...
12:01 Rapp oh wait!
12:01 Rapp i was wrong. it is AFTER i select that its a page.
12:02 chefan in list view you should see the users you added then
12:02 chefan fe groups belong there as well
12:03 chefan atm i am not sure if there is something else to do in the config of the login box
12:03 chefan but afaik no
12:03 Rapp chefan, ok, thanks!
12:03 chefan iirc it is connected to the name of the system folder
12:03 chefan de nada
12:04 chefan administering typo3 is a major pain in the ass for me too ;)
12:06 chefan Denyerec: why would that be against any belief?
12:06 chefan GPL is a license, not a religion, and as long as the license boilerplate is included
12:07 Denyerec thats why I said "belief" and not "rules"
12:07 chefan the important thing is the open source part, that doesn't limit itself to typo3
12:07 chefan for instance
12:07 chefan personally i don't like typo3 very much, but i have to work with it
12:08 chefan (makes me the natural born security auditor in a way) :D
12:08 chefan anyway, i sharr my knowledge with others
12:09 Denyerec I just feel, that if someone gives something so incredible away for free and asks only for recognition, that hiding all traces of the originator is a little.... cheeky
12:09 chefan it still is all over the source code
12:10 chefan besides, i am sure the authors earned a shitload of money with the product
12:10 chefan just because something is open source, it doesn't mean you can't use it to make a living
12:10 Denyerec No reason to disrespect them, though.
12:10 chefan that has nothing to do with disrespect
12:11 chefan if i have an intranet for instance, i want that to have a little bit of corporate identity too
12:11 chefan the users have to learn to use the backend anyway
12:12 chefan so they will be well aware what they are dealing with
12:12 chefan besides that, not telling my be-users which product they are using in context of open source would be incredibly stupid :)
12:13 Rapp one more question: i have added the login box, the sysfolder, and as admin i can see and set the access to the usergroup i added. but ordinary BE users cannot see this. where can i grant this?
12:13 Denyerec I suppose it comes down to how you do it chefan
12:14 Denyerec if you say "This is Typo3, it's free and all that, and by the way I put your company logo in the corner" then it's fine.
12:14 Denyerec But I KNOW there are people out there who will attempt to charge for, and make out like the wrote the whole damn thing.
12:15 FloLeBlanc denyerec: really? lol I wouldn't dare to say something like that even if I was such a criminal :)
12:15 Denyerec You can BET there are people out there doing it.
12:18 chefan Denyerec: that would be the paramount of stupidity
12:18 chefan 1. you are selling a script
12:18 Denyerec It would be.
12:18 chefan source code
12:18 Denyerec But some people are paramountly stupid.
12:18 Denyerec And you don't necessarily need to give the client server access if you're selling it as a hosted service.
12:19 chefan it is absolutely pointless to try to SELL that
12:19 chefan Denyerec: i can sell typo3 running sites to clients without even allowing them access to the backend
12:20 chefan the point is: 1. there is nothing wrong with gaining money with open source
12:21 chefan you have to see it that way, you are not selling someone elses work (in open source the work is more or less a community achievement anyway, the personal credits are in the copyright note)
12:22 chefan you are selling your expertise in deployment and maintenance
12:22 chefan it's a form of consulting
12:23 chefan for any single professional, i would think it takes at least a year of learning to "sell" a safe, functional platform based on typo3
12:24 chefan and the idea of putting a different logo there was not putting the logo of the vendor, but rather that of the client
12:24 chefan at least that is how i understood the comment
12:24 Denyerec I can see it from that angle. Just get the feelin that some unscrupulous sorts would capitalise on it.
12:24 Denyerec I even KNOW some people who are that way inclined.
12:26 Denyerec Don't get me wrong, I see all your points. I just have my suspicions about how some people might try and use that.
12:28 chefan Denyerec: unscrupulous sorts capitalise on anything
12:29 Denyerec True, but it won't stop me passing comment on it :)
12:29 chefan anyone unscrupulous to sell typo3 would have already passed the code to china and got the logo changed in order to sell it way before someon in the open source community offers solution to that ;)
12:30 chefan while you are maneuvering in anything open source, get over those considerations
12:31 chefan if it's useful, do it, publish it
12:31 FloLeBlanc can I insert a content element via TS? (f.e. mm_forum , latest posts)?
12:31 Denyerec Hahaha
12:31 Denyerec Err
12:31 Denyerec Yeah you can flo
12:31 Denyerec use the RECORD thing
12:31 Denyerec snippets are on Typo3wizard
12:31 Denyerec I think if you wanna grab a content element from the content table it's a CONTENT object
12:31 Denyerec (Again snippets are on T3 wiz)
12:32 FloLeBlanc denyerec: well I'm already able to insert a content element that is already present SOMEWHERE :) I wanted to know if I can create it via TS
12:32 Denyerec Oohhhh
12:32 chefan you can't prevent things from getting done anyway. Same moral catch oppenheimer or braun faced. well, about so.
12:32 Denyerec you mean create the content element and stick it in the DB
12:32 Denyerec rather than insert it onto a page...
12:33 FloLeBlanc nah just do the "insert" of the content element via TS.. but I think that is not possible
12:33 FloLeBlanc (I already have getLeft, getRight, getContent and getBorder used up on my startpage hehe)
12:33 chefan like you have a page that automagically inserts a certain type of content by a set of rules?
12:34 chefan hm?
12:34 chefan you "used something up" in page generation?
12:34 FloLeBlanc I use automaketemplate. If I want to paste the tt_news box in a specific div I use subparts.XXX < styles.content.getRight (if the content element is in the "right" part of my starpage)
12:35 FloLeBlanc not I have the banner module in the "left" part, tt_news in the "normal" part, login_box in the "right" part and the toplogo in the "border" part of the content elements
12:35 FloLeBlanc not = now
12:38 FloLeBlanc is there something similar to styles.content.getRightGET2NDELEMENT , and so on?
12:47 maholtz_ @flo: have an look at TSref CONTENT
12:47 FloLeBlanc maholtz: ok thank you
12:47 maholtz_ you can make your own styles.content.getXY
12:47 FloLeBlanc oh.. nice
12:48 maholtz_ and you can define: take 2 content element from page with id z
12:48 maholtz_ 2 == 2nd
13:19 FloLeBlanc maholtz: I checked the tsref but how would I get "the 2nd" element? I can insert the content via a TS-sql query as far as I got that
13:20 FloLeBlanc but the order in sql is always declared by the sort
13:22 FloLeBlanc ah colpos determines the right/left orientation
13:36 ndee http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Extension_Development,_using_Flexforms <-- is there some good tutorial around for using flexforms and all it's options?
13:44 Rapp ok, i have got my login running, using the new login box. now i have a file upload plugin on the same page. however, it uploads only to fileadmin/USERNAME and ignores my TS config on that page. i have added a config that tells it to put everything into fileadmin/upload/ and also raised the upload file size.
13:44 Rapp why does the plugin ignore my config?
13:44 Rapp the config is quite minimal: http://phpfi.com/301708
13:49 maholtz_ @flo: you can use CONTENT->select.max etc
14:10 Denyerec So
14:10 Denyerec RealURL and 404's
14:10 Denyerec does everyone resort to a custom script, or has anyoen managed to get it working out of the box?
14:18 Rapp does anyone have a hint why my file upload does not work properly? i have attached some TSconfig code to the page containing the upload plugin (see http://phpfi.com/301708), but the code is being ignored.
14:53 Denyerec Ah
14:57 FloLeBlanc can anyone tell me why [loginUser=4] some TS [global] would not work? this is the ID that is listed when I hover over the usergroup isn't it?
15:01 maholtz_ [usergroup != [loginUser] ;)
15:01 FloLeBlanc aaaaah :)
15:01 FloLeBlanc thank you
15:01 maholtz_ np
15:01 FloLeBlanc I wonder what weird results my user with ID4 had *G*
15:02 maholtz_ :)
15:23 animan has anyone experienced a problem where Commerce' ###PRODUCT_LINK_DETAIL### doesn't provide link with tx_commerce_pi1[catUid]=.. so link doesn't work?
15:47 Timoslav re
15:50 ndee so, when I add pictures to a record and want to read them out in my frontend plugin, how would I do that? The pictures are stored somewhere in the fileadmin/media/... folder.
15:52 ndee the thing is, the pictures can be in all different folders but in the database, only the filename is stored.
15:52 maholtz_ do you use the dam?
15:53 ndee yes
15:54 maholtz_ ok, perhaps you should render the image with typoscript in your plugin
15:54 ndee the problem is, I don't know what the path of the picture is.
15:57 maholtz_ you do not need to know the path
15:58 ndee maholtz_: http://www.ndee.ch/typo3/2006/10/23/output-pictures-the-easy-way/ <-- can I just give the file name and typo3 will find the file?
15:59 maholtz_ wiki.typo3.org/De:TSref/IMAGE - the last example gives you the typoscript you need for dam
16:00 ndee maholtz_: thanks a bunch :)
16:00 ndee ah, but can I somehow use that also directly in my extension(php code)?
16:02 maholtz_ i think so: $img["file."]['import.']['cObject'] = 'USER' ... and so on,
16:03 ndee oh ok
16:06 maholtz_ but maybe you should not use that direct in your extension, but insert it via typoscript configuration, than your extension should be able to work with and without the dam
16:54 animan does anyone know if there's a TS to configure Commerce' ###PRODUCT_LINK_DETAIL### marker to include catUid in link?
18:06 uschi heeeeelp, i need help: TV and localisation
18:06 just2b sry not from me
18:07 uschi sigh
18:10 Denyerec I can help you with TV
18:10 Denyerec but localisation? Heh... you're the expert there!
18:10 uschi it drives me nuts
18:10 uschi i have a two column FCE
18:11 uschi the two divs inside serve a Container for normal CEs
18:11 uschi I switched the normal headers on again for TV
18:15 uschi and i cannot translate them for this two column element
18:15 Denyerec you mean the standard headers
18:15 Denyerec rather than your own custom ones
18:15 uschi right
18:15 uschi i do not have any custom ones
18:15 Denyerec Ah
18:15 Denyerec You said you switched the headers on again
18:15 Denyerec so I presumed you'd been using something custom beforehand
18:15 uschi right, the ordinary ones
18:16 uschi because normally the headers coming from TV are never shown in FE
18:16 Denyerec Really? I had trouble turning the damn things off.
18:17 uschi and i have to set langDisable to 1
18:17 just2b uschi, hci woman ;) got a question g
18:17 uschi and that is?
18:17 just2b is there any ie png hack somehwere already?
18:17 uschi sure
18:17 Denyerec As an extension?
18:17 Denyerec or in general ?
18:17 Denyerec There's 101 general hacks, including .htc behaviours and directX filters, etc.
18:17 just2b more something i could just include with a little code
18:17 Denyerec Though all induce a pallette shift.
18:18 Denyerec Which is freakin annoying.
18:18 just2b would need it at the be lgin
18:18 uschi it is
18:18 just2b login
18:18 Denyerec http://www.mongus.net/pngInfo/
18:18 Denyerec http://code.google.com/p/pnghack/ <- prototype one, you like moo so perhaps not a good ide.a
18:19 Denyerec http://www.twinhelix.com/css/iepngfix/
18:19 uschi moo in be is a very bad idea because everything else is prototype
18:19 Denyerec Ahh, BE. Well if the BE already uses proto, then maybe the proto solution is workable?
18:22 just2b not really, i am sorry
18:22 just2b be login > nothing included ;)
18:23 just2b but whatever, it is business work ;)
18:28 uschi Denyerec, you are right, the headers are always shown
18:45 just2b anyone knows how I get the charset in the backend
18:46 void just2b: you mean the value of forceCharset ?
18:46 just2b yeah e.g.
18:47 void just2b: $GLOBALS['TYPO3_CONF_VARS']['BE']['forceCharset']
18:47 just2b ah TYPO3_CONF_VARS['BE']['forceCharset'] yeah works too in be
19:22 Nipsting anyone know how to tell typo3 to use an addition CSS class in content elements. More specifically I want to have a bottom element (small background image below the bodytext). Dont know if this makes any sense
19:45 vince2 Hi everybody. I am thinking about buying 1 or 2 typo3 books. Anybody have an Idea which one is the most up to date with the best coverage of templavoila?
19:51 Timoslav i know a german one
19:51 Timoslav but i dunno if its available in english too
19:52 Timoslav http://www.amazon.de/Praxiswissen-TYPO3-oreillys-basics-Robert/dp/3897214490/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204984599&sr=8-1
19:54 Timoslav http://www.german-bash.org/173514
19:54 Timoslav sorry wrong window o_O
19:54 vince2 Timoslav: thanks. It has to be in english though.
19:57 Timoslav what about this one? http://www.amazon.com/Building-Websites-TYPO3-Michael-Peacock/dp/1847191118/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205175556&sr=8-1
19:58 Timoslav i think that one is reliable
20:01 vince2 Yes, that is one of the ones I am considering. It has about the newest publication date, but I don't see any mention of templavoila in the book details on packtpub.com or amazon.com.
20:38 vince2 Hmm... I found a pretty good review on typo3bloke.net of "Mastering TypoScript" by Daniel Koch that says templavoila is fairly well covered. That will probably be one of the books I buy.
21:56 Phlogi_ what type do you choose for an extension that extents another extension?
21:57 just2b you mean fe, be misc?
22:21 nd__ I notized that it doesn't seem possible to use more than five pictures in one tt_news news-article. Anyone has any tipps on how to do that?
22:24 just2b yes, but you wont like it
22:25 void nd__: it's possible to override a part of TCA via TS config...
22:28 Phlogi_ just2b: fe
22:28 Phlogi_ yes
22:29 Phlogi_ What file does typo3 ext managment read from my extension? I mean I'm wondering how to add my php file with the hooks to typo3... I did specify the hook in ext_localconf.php, but that does not have any effect
22:33 Phlogi_ it looks like the ext_localconf file is not read by typo3, do I need to "define" that somewhere else? Because kickstarted did not create that file
22:34 Phlogi_ oh now I could make that it is read...
22:37 just2b just delete the conf cache
22:38 Phlogi_ just2b: thanks, it seems to work I'm in the hook now :)
22:49 nd void: tca?
22:50 void nd: $TCA, table configuration array...
22:50 nd well, will look that up
22:50 nd thanks
23:36 ndee hey there, anyone worked with userDisplayCatmenuHook before in tt_news?
23:37 ndee somehow in the manual, there is just a hint but I don't know how to call that hook.
23:37 just2b i guess so
23:37 just2b take a look at the res dir
23:37 ndee ah
23:38 ndee or, so I have to create a file called userDisplayCatmenuHook.php in the res directory and set the userDisplayCatmenuHook to true or something like that?
23:39 just2b there is already a catmenu demo, there stants also in it how to use
23:39 ndee just2b: does it start with example_ ?
23:55 just2b ndee yes
23:56 Phlogi_ vince2: turn off that please
23:56 Phlogi_ just2b: aren't you tired? =)
23:56 ndee just2b: I only have exampe_amenuUserFunc.php, exampe_imageMarkerFunc.php, example_itemMarkerArrayFunc.php and example_userPageBrowserFunc.php
23:58 chefan vince2: this channel is logged. do you want the first 2 pages of google hits on you be some away message lameness? ;)

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