| 04:51 |
vince1 |
hello |
| 05:01 |
vince1 |
chefan: Hi if you are there. I am the one you were talking to as falcon-01 the other day :-). |
| 05:03 |
chefan |
hi |
| 05:03 |
chefan |
did i help you or confuse you? |
| 05:04 |
vince1 |
chefan: Well, you convinced me to do a more thourough evaluation of Plone before I decide for sure what CMS we are going to use :-) |
| 05:05 |
chefan |
ah, i confused you :D |
| 05:05 |
vince1 |
Sort o :-) |
| 05:05 |
chefan |
any news yet? |
| 05:05 |
vince1 |
Sort of :-) |
| 05:05 |
vince1 |
Well.... |
| 05:05 |
vince1 |
I am still waffling. |
| 05:05 |
vince1 |
Plone is pretty cool but..... |
| 05:06 |
chefan |
expensive |
| 05:06 |
chefan |
say it |
| 05:06 |
vince1 |
I don't like the huge resource requirements. It uses 100MB ram just to get it up and running. |
| 05:06 |
chefan |
you can shake php "developers" from the trees if needed |
| 05:07 |
chefan |
likewise, world is paved with admins that are skilled in maintaining AMP's |
| 05:07 |
chefan |
that comparison isn't fair, you know? |
| 05:08 |
vince1 |
which is probably a plus but I have noticed a strong increase in popularity in Python over the last few years. |
| 05:08 |
chefan |
you'll have to watch how the memory usage develops under load |
| 05:08 |
chefan |
agreed, and it's no wonder |
| 05:08 |
chefan |
you have to love it |
| 05:08 |
vince1 |
I had to order an increase in ram from 64MB to 80MB on our VDS just to get it to stay running. |
| 05:09 |
chefan |
even more if it's a way to get rid of having to cope with php |
| 05:09 |
vince1 |
I am back to playing with typo3 today :-) |
| 05:10 |
chefan |
well, in a wee while i can tell you more how it runs on 512Mb |
| 05:10 |
chefan |
and apart of that i have been offered to participate in a beta test of a new vhost service |
| 05:10 |
vince1 |
I still like typo3's interface from what I have learned so far. |
| 05:11 |
vince1 |
That ought to be interesting. |
| 05:11 |
chefan |
the test is with 128Mb |
| 05:12 |
chefan |
hmm |
| 05:12 |
chefan |
did you watch the memory usage of typo3? |
| 05:12 |
vince1 |
My biggest gripe with typo3 is that every document and video I read or watch seems to be about 2 years out of date and only about 80% correct with the current version. |
| 05:13 |
chefan |
lol |
| 05:13 |
chefan |
welcome to typo3-hell :D |
| 05:13 |
chefan |
same here |
| 05:13 |
chefan |
i started with typo3 in december |
| 05:13 |
vince1 |
If it was not for that, typo3 would not have *near* as big of learning curve to get going. |
| 05:14 |
chefan |
usually i am fast in picking up new skills, but the broken links on typo3.org are more than annoying |
| 05:14 |
chefan |
with a bit of research, news and google, you find everything you want |
| 05:15 |
chefan |
but it slows down the learning process a lot |
| 05:15 |
vince1 |
It is hard to put my finger on the memory usage of t3 because the php is linked into php_mod in apache and I have the http processes running anyway. |
| 05:16 |
vince1 |
but t3 runs fine on 64mb ram |
| 05:16 |
chefan |
you'll see how it averages out under load |
| 05:16 |
vince1 |
No server load yet of course |
| 05:16 |
chefan |
i think it will depend on disk access |
| 05:16 |
chefan |
typo3 does a LOT with the mysql database |
| 05:17 |
vince1 |
I have been pulling my hair out all evening trying to figure out how to enable the font color/size buttons in the editor |
| 05:17 |
chefan |
while zope keeps persistent objects in memory |
| 05:19 |
xsebi |
i have an ext to add users to feusers moved from old t3 3.xx to 4.15 ,.. evrything works fine , edit or deleting records .. but not adding >_< |
| 05:20 |
vince1 |
yea, I have this long several minute wait to get zope to come up while it loads everything into memory. |
| 05:21 |
vince1 |
I also installed t3 in about 4-5MB of file space, and 160MB for zope with all dependencies using their unified installer. |
| 05:22 |
chefan |
can you add rows manually via mysql-client with the account used by typo3? |
| 05:22 |
vince1 |
Considering they seem to be comperable in power zope seems awfully bloated. |
| 05:22 |
chefan |
hmm |
| 05:23 |
chefan |
ok, 1st of all, if you want to compare zope/plone to something, you have to compare it to Apache, AND mysql, AND php AND typo3 ;) |
| 05:24 |
chefan |
since the unified installer includes the ZoDB, Zeo, Zope, CMF Python and Plone |
| 05:24 |
vince1 |
This is, I have to run apache anyway for a lot of the caching features and vhost, etc according to a lot of the docs I have seen. |
| 05:25 |
chefan |
hmm, depends |
| 05:25 |
vince1 |
I at least need it for any external static sites I have anyway. |
| 05:25 |
chefan |
i read that doc too, but talking to someone working with zope for quite a while, he disagreed |
| 05:26 |
chefan |
he said, zope alone does fine, and when the switches in zope are not enough anymore, it would be time to help out your trusty apache with a squid as well |
| 05:27 |
vince1 |
Yea, It just seems that there are a lot more layers and dependencies to break in zope. I have never had good luck running excessively bloated software. |
| 05:28 |
vince1 |
I have not discounted Plone yet, still waffling :-) |
| 05:29 |
vince1 |
I just am back leaning toward typo3 if I can get things working well. |
| 05:29 |
xsebi |
hm putting in by sql works |
| 05:29 |
chefan |
Zope alone is able to do http,https, WebDav,Ftp, persistent-cgi, fast-cgi, monitor and ipc |
| 05:30 |
chefan |
it is not bloated, it's just an application server, not a script with a webserver frontend :D |
| 05:31 |
vince1 |
Yea, I was also wondering if it possible in t3 to do any kind of distributed server setup like in zope/zeo |
| 05:31 |
chefan |
so "excessively bloated" is not quite the right term |
| 05:31 |
chefan |
nope |
| 05:31 |
chefan |
you could create an architecture which emulates that funcionality |
| 05:32 |
chefan |
but you would prolly find yourself in replication hell |
| 05:33 |
chefan |
your operations guys would ask for a raise every other friday |
| 05:33 |
vince1 |
yea, I was also hoping I could work off line and the mirror to the production server. I though about rsync for typo3 but then you have to deal with the sql db as well. Not sure how well it would work out. |
| 05:33 |
vince1 |
I mean "and then mirror" |
| 05:34 |
chefan |
well, in here we work with identical setups on development and production server |
| 05:34 |
chefan |
trying to approach the model as good as possible |
| 05:35 |
chefan |
but after all, it's not the same |
| 05:35 |
chefan |
i am not exactly sure what the workspaces can do for you in that matter |
| 05:37 |
vince1 |
If I understand zeo, couldn't I work from a home machine set up as a zeo client, and have changes automatically replicated to the server[s]? |
| 05:39 |
vince1 |
And, if so, if I were off line, would it replicate ounce re-connected or does it have to stay in communication? |
| 05:39 |
chefan |
as far as i understood, that should be possible. |
| 05:39 |
vince1 |
xsebi: sorry, you are not being ignored. I don't know the answer :-) |
| 05:40 |
chefan |
but i am still learning about the options too |
| 05:40 |
vince1 |
chefan: Do you hang out on the #plone irc? |
| 05:41 |
chefan |
not yet |
| 05:41 |
vince1 |
I would be curious to know what you learn. |
| 05:41 |
chefan |
maybe i should :) |
| 05:42 |
vince1 |
It does seem a lot more active on average with about 4 times as many users as #typo3 |
| 05:42 |
chefan |
well, as i said, i have a buddy that does zope/plone hosting, and an evaluation project, apart of other projects |
| 05:42 |
chefan |
wow |
| 05:44 |
vince1 |
Yep 145 users on #plone, 36 on #typo3 |
| 05:45 |
vince1 |
It is nitpicky but I was a little disapointed that the plone editor had no buttons to set font color/size |
| 05:46 |
chefan |
lol |
| 05:46 |
vince1 |
However, they are disabled on t3 and I have not been able to figure out all evening how to turn them on. |
| 05:46 |
chefan |
i think i read about why |
| 05:47 |
chefan |
there is a LOT of professional consideration in the standard template, including barrier free web standards compliance |
| 05:47 |
chefan |
why tempt users to spoil that? |
| 05:47 |
chefan |
with buttons... |
| 05:49 |
vince1 |
I read the recommend style sheets instead, but when I am pasting in other documents that have some single words colored, it is nice to be able to just mark it and set the color. |
| 05:49 |
vince1 |
I mean "they recommend" |
| 05:50 |
chefan |
well, actually i recommend style sheets too |
| 05:50 |
chefan |
no matter if in plone ore wherever |
| 05:51 |
chefan |
the reason why gets obvious once you start to exchange content with other sites |
| 05:52 |
vince1 |
In the typo3 video, episode1_RLE_VD I think, he emphasized how cool it was to have those buttons, and showed how to enable them, yet ... |
| 05:53 |
vince1 |
I guess he changed his mind. |
| 05:55 |
just2b |
morning |
| 05:55 |
vince1 |
In the editor for plone, there were just a few pre-defined text types. Are you able to add new ones? |
| 05:56 |
xsebi |
hi just2b |
| 05:56 |
just2b |
hi xsebi |
| 08:10 |
vince1 |
Dropping off for the night. Later. |
| 08:44 |
titii |
helo there, is there someone? I need to know how to create an wizard content in my ext, like form content, Form Wizard, to settuping form fields |
| 08:44 |
titii |
thanx |
| 08:44 |
just2b |
use the kickstarter |
| 09:05 |
xsebi |
i want to debug something like this : t3lib_div::debug($variable); |
| 09:05 |
xsebi |
but it doesnt work in the middle of the scirpt |
| 09:05 |
xsebi |
just at the very beginning or end |
| 09:05 |
just2b |
maybe there is an object in it or so? |
| 09:06 |
xsebi |
hmm |
| 09:07 |
xsebi |
i dont know how to find out |
| 09:07 |
xsebi |
but ill keep trying |
| 09:08 |
just2b |
try a print_r |
| 09:21 |
xsebi |
hum so far so good , main error was a dependency of 2 js vars .... wondering why it worked on t3 3.xx but not on 4.15 |
| 09:21 |
xsebi |
that was 8 hours of pain now : ) |
| 09:22 |
just2b |
^^ |
| 09:22 |
just2b |
3.* is loong ago ;) |
| 09:23 |
xsebi |
yes i have to migrate and update the extension from there |
| 10:07 |
uschi |
morning friends :-) |
| 10:09 |
just2b |
hi uschi |
| 10:09 |
uschi |
morning just2b :-) |
| 10:10 |
uschi |
jut2b, my language menu is not working anymore |
| 10:10 |
just2b |
why |
| 10:10 |
uschi |
it still works with 4.2alpha2, and i did not change in anything in that respect |
| 10:11 |
just2b |
but doesnt work where? |
| 10:11 |
uschi |
with latest version of 4.2, but it did not work for some time now, only i did not realise ... |
| 10:12 |
uschi |
do you know of any changes in terms of language management in 4.2 |
| 10:12 |
just2b |
between alpha + beta3? |
| 10:12 |
uschi |
yes |
| 10:12 |
just2b |
havent been any.. and define "not workiung" |
| 10:13 |
uschi |
language is not switched, even if there is another language available for that page |
| 10:13 |
just2b |
but l parameter is in the url? |
| 10:13 |
uschi |
yes |
| 10:13 |
just2b |
i bet the error is somewhere else |
| 10:14 |
uschi |
so do i |
| 10:14 |
just2b |
TS probably or repair some tables |
| 10:14 |
just2b |
linux or windows? |
| 10:14 |
just2b |
(server) |
| 10:14 |
uschi |
windows and solaris |
| 10:14 |
uschi |
both |
| 10:14 |
just2b |
both not working? |
| 10:14 |
just2b |
changed TS? ;) |
| 10:15 |
uschi |
both not working |
| 10:15 |
uschi |
where could i start to debug that issue? |
| 10:15 |
just2b |
make a new TS, just a styles.content get and simple condition |
| 10:15 |
uschi |
no, at least not for the language menu ... |
| 10:16 |
uschi |
how? |
| 10:16 |
just2b |
dont know how you create a new page or a new ts? |
| 10:16 |
uschi |
sure id do |
| 10:16 |
uschi |
but i do not understand why i should do so |
| 10:17 |
uschi |
and what |
| 10:17 |
uschi |
might be due to the fact that i am on my first coffee |
| 10:17 |
just2b |
because then you have 10 lines of TS, easy to find an error |
| 10:17 |
just2b |
i am working already 4hours ;) |
| 10:17 |
uschi |
you mean i should do something dependent on the L parameter? |
| 10:17 |
just2b |
and a complete translation test |
| 10:35 |
uschi |
just2b? solved the problem |
| 10:36 |
uschi |
i did some code cleanup, and guess what, i forgot to include the language config ... |
| 10:36 |
just2b |
see |
| 10:36 |
uschi |
everything fine again, so i count this as a good start for the weekend |
| 10:37 |
uschi |
stupid me :-) |
| 10:39 |
just2b |
and i just create new features for my exts ;) |
| 10:42 |
uschi |
if all problems could be solved that easily ... |
| 10:45 |
just2b |
if you wouldnt cause your problems, they wouldnt even be there :DS |
| 10:58 |
uschi |
i am human, just2b, so human ... |
| 10:59 |
just2b |
me too :D |
| 11:01 |
uschi |
now i have the next problem *sigh* |
| 11:01 |
uschi |
i have set up some user elements in rte |
| 11:02 |
uschi |
easy stuff, only wrap type, but: if i have <img src="path" alt="something" /> in my sourcecode, in FE i get that damned image without a closing slash |
| 11:02 |
uschi |
that one is for stans bugtracker, i suppose |
| 11:17 |
koomi |
moin |
| 13:27 |
DvSchuetz |
Hello over there! |
| 13:29 |
just2b |
hi |
| 13:31 |
DvSchuetz |
I am webdeveloper, but a complete newbie to Typo3. Since yesterday I try to get information in the docs, manuals, mailing lists and news to find help for a install problem, but don't find a solution |
| 13:32 |
DvSchuetz |
The error is "Warning: mysql_list_tables(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /mnt/web6/32/06/51046706/htdocs/cms/t3lib/class.t3lib_db.php on line 974" |
| 13:32 |
just2b |
you createt a DB already? |
| 13:33 |
DvSchuetz |
I installed the dummy |
| 13:33 |
just2b |
isnt an answer to my quewstion |
| 13:35 |
DvSchuetz |
I used the Quickstart and unzipped the typo3_src+dummy-4.1.6.zip to the server |
| 13:35 |
just2b |
so there is no DB yet? create one |
| 13:36 |
DvSchuetz |
ok |
| 13:36 |
DvSchuetz |
I thought the dummy-4.1.6 is already a db |
| 13:39 |
DvSchuetz |
In some postings I read it is a known issue with mySQL 5.0, and I should change a setting in my.ini - but there is no my.ini-file. |
| 13:39 |
DvSchuetz |
ok, new db created. |
| 13:40 |
DvSchuetz |
same problem |
| 13:42 |
xsebi |
just go on its a regular msg because nothing is been created in it till now |
| 13:46 |
DvSchuetz |
Now I receive a blank page, not even the Typo3 Install tool. Same Error: Warning: mysql_list_tables(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /mnt/web6/32/06/51046706/htdocs/cms/t3lib/class.t3lib_db.php on line 974 |
| 13:50 |
DvSchuetz |
PROBLEM SOLVED! The provider, strato.de, requires databases to be in a different directory than the homepage!!! |
| 13:51 |
DvSchuetz |
Thank you, @just2b and @xsebi |
| 13:51 |
just2b |
np ;) |
| 13:52 |
just2b |
didnt do much ^^ |
| 14:21 |
pulponair |
uschi: bing |
| 14:23 |
just2b |
hi pulponair ;) |
| 14:24 |
pulponair |
just2b: : hi |
| 14:39 |
Phlogi |
omg typo3 has now over 3000 extensions |
| 14:40 |
just2b |
and 300 usefull max |
| 14:41 |
Phlogi |
yes thats the problem |
| 14:41 |
xsebi |
lots of olds too |
| 14:41 |
Phlogi |
the repo should be brushed up somehow |
| 14:42 |
Phlogi |
all the manuals should be in some wiki form imho |
| 14:42 |
just2b |
will all come |
| 14:42 |
Phlogi |
just2b: oh really? nice... |
| 14:42 |
just2b |
yeah |
| 14:42 |
Phlogi |
is there a project page about that? |
| 14:42 |
Phlogi |
I thought of talking to some guys because of that :) |
| 14:42 |
just2b |
not yet |
| 14:43 |
Phlogi |
hehe hopefully a complete new typo3.org site .. |
| 14:43 |
just2b |
first ter |
| 14:43 |
Phlogi |
and a seo repo manager |
| 14:45 |
just2b |
bots are excluded because of reasons |
| 14:46 |
just2b |
epsecially because of performance |
| 14:47 |
just2b |
have to go now, nice we |
| 14:48 |
Phlogi |
just2b: ah ok I see... thats a reason of course |
| 14:48 |
Phlogi |
but the search for documentation is not great anyway. |
| 14:49 |
Phlogi |
But I'm sure they will make things better soon. |
| 18:45 |
neabo_ |
hi there! i have the following problem: http://forum.typo3.tros.nl/viewtopic.php?t=2281&sid=a93efed2f09ef9ad138212ad8b3a0af7 what should i do to solve that problem? thanks for any help! |
| 18:54 |
void |
neabo_: that's the rigts problem |
| 18:55 |
neabo_ |
void |
| 18:55 |
neabo_ |
i know |
| 18:55 |
neabo_ |
i set chmod to 777 to ext and typo3conf folder |
| 18:55 |
neabo_ |
and to localconf.php too |
| 18:55 |
neabo_ |
but no go |
| 18:56 |
neabo_ |
i also set .htaccess file to safe mode off |
| 18:58 |
neabo_ |
any other hint? |
| 19:01 |
maholtz_ |
maybe change the owner? |
| 19:01 |
maholtz_ |
to that user with id 10??? |
| 19:02 |
neabo_ |
maholtz_: how to do that? |
| 19:02 |
neabo_ |
don't know how to change user id?? |
| 19:03 |
void |
neabo_: chown -R |
| 19:07 |
neabo_ |
void: can i do chown with total commander? |
| 19:07 |
neabo_ |
i'm not sure how to do it |
| 19:07 |
void |
neabo_: no. using ssh only |
| 19:08 |
void |
do you have ssh access, don't you? |
| 19:09 |
neabo_ |
not sure, i have got control panel of my host provider, coudl it be on control panel? |
| 19:13 |
neabo_ |
aha: it seems i dont have shell access... what to do? |
| 19:19 |
HardPhuck |
anyone using jm_gallery |
| 19:57 |
uschi |
hey bedlamhotel :-) |
| 19:57 |
bedlamhotel |
Uschi: hello. |
| 19:58 |
uschi |
found internet access? |
| 20:00 |
bedlamhotel |
Uschi: yeah, it's been back all week. Though they've done something aggravating so I have to manually renew my IP address every time the laptop goes to sleep... |
| 20:01 |
uschi |
belgium does not seem to be the right place for webworkers |
| 20:02 |
bedlamhotel |
Well, probably KUL is not the right place for them :) |
| 20:04 |
bedlamhotel |
If I were actually to go out and find my own ISP, I could get an ok deal. Of course I have no way to stop paying for my current mediocre service... |
| 20:38 |
Dragan |
Hi all..I'm new to typo3, and I'm following the "getting started" tutorial. Everything is ok, but I have a problem with the login feature. I succesfully created the login box, users&Groups Sysfolder, placed it's pid in the template config, and created a "restricted" page allowed only to the particular group I created with only one user in it . The problem is that when I login with this user, the restricted pag |
| 20:42 |
ckoehler |
anyone know a nice gantt and flow chart creator for mac os x, free? |
| 20:56 |
void |
Dragan: your message truncated |
| 21:14 |
Dragan |
thanks void, I'll write it in more messages then.. |
| 21:14 |
Dragan |
hope I won't flood :) |
| 21:15 |
Dragan |
Hi all..I'm new to typo3, and I'm following the "getting started" tutorial. Everything is ok, but I have a problem with the login feature. |
| 21:15 |
Dragan |
I succesfully created the login box, users&Groups Sysfolder, placed it's pid in the template config, and created a "restricted" page allowed only to the particular group I created with only one user in it . |
| 21:15 |
Dragan |
The problem is that when I login with this user, the restricted page is not showing up, as if I'm not logged in. On the other hand, if I choose "simulate group" from the admin section on the frontend, it works as expected. |
| 21:15 |
Dragan |
Any clue on what could be the problem? Maybe I could give you more info? I hope I'm not doing overlooking something trivial.. Thanks |
| 21:16 |
Dragan |
I forgot to mention..I downloaded and installed TYPO3 WAMP 4.1.3 |
| 21:18 |
void |
weird problem |
| 21:28 |
HardPhuck |
how do i type conditinal logic to say if page id IS NOT 1 then .... |
| 21:28 |
chefan |
hmm, i remember having a similar problem |
| 21:29 |
chefan |
Dragan: i am not sure, but i think it was some misconfiguration in TS |
| 21:32 |
chefan |
or page caching? hmm, i think i won't be of much help speculating |
| 21:32 |
Dragan |
thanks chefan, I'll look into TS now (even though I first hear of it :) ) |
| 21:32 |
chefan |
i do remember though that i redid the whole thing step by step by the book |
| 21:33 |
Dragan |
I'll play with it some more, and I'll write if anything comes up |
| 23:13 |
HardPhuck |
anyone with jm_gallery here? |
| 23:45 |
HardPhuck |
how can i get the base url via php in typo3? |
| 23:45 |
HardPhuck |
getBaseURL or something like that? |
