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00:06 Marquel morning
00:08 Marquel i have a little problem w/ typo3-4.2.0: i'm trying to set up a localized website but i can't find methods to set up additional languages. am i missing something important?
00:12 void Marquel: http://typo3bloke.net/post-details/archive/2006/october/17/creating_multilanguage_sites_with_templavoila/ - quick and good manual
00:14 Marquel void: unfortunately i'm failing at step two: "create languages". i haven't found a method to do so.
00:15 void Marquel: web>list, select globe page, press "new record" icon
00:15 void green one on the top
00:17 Marquel *aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgghhhhhhh* you don't have a new palm rest for a thinkpad t61? thank you :)
00:18 brain-xy hello all :)
00:19 Marquel void: thank you again, that was the missing piece of information. *waves good night*
00:19 void Marquel: np.. does not understand the phrase about palm.
00:19 Marquel void: should mean something like "i sunk my teeth into my laptop's palm rest" ;)
00:20 brain-xy does anybody know out of his brain how i can tell the RTE that it may not delete all tags outside of the inner ones?
00:21 void Marquel: ah, ok -)
00:32 ely how goes
00:46 Marquel good night
01:21 brain-xy night all :)
01:21 brain-xy exit
01:21 brain-xy grml..
07:00 xsebi g'mornin all
07:16 foool mornin'
07:16 xsebi hi
07:18 foool hey!! in my old firefox I had a translator that translated Deutsch to English, now in it gone, it showed when I click on right mouse, where do i get that, I looked in plugins, can't find it. Anyone know where I can install it?
07:19 xsebi dont know ,.. but theres a typo3 addon even for firefox ; )
07:20 xsebi shortcuts to tsref and such
07:21 foool really I find in firefox typo3 is slower than explorer
07:39 xsebi cannot see a difference
07:39 xsebi i just use IE for testing
08:39 smeringe good morning
08:54 FloLeBlanc hi all
08:54 xsebi hi
09:06 smeringe hi x2
09:08 smeringe Anyone here thinking of going to t3con in october?
09:10 FloLeBlanc smeringe: where is it?
09:11 smeringe Flo, in berlin
09:11 smeringe http://t3con08.typo3.org/
09:18 FloLeBlanc smeringe: I'm afraid it will be a bit far to take holidays, pay the ticket to berlin and the accomodation for the event :(
09:19 smeringe :( to bad. would have been fun to meet up.. I'm still thinking myself
09:20 FloLeBlanc hmm I'd actually love to go to a typo3 event and meet the #typo3 guys/girls :)
09:20 smeringe me 2
09:21 smeringe then we would arrange special irc meetup :P
09:22 FloLeBlanc :)
09:22 smeringe s/would/could
09:22 FloLeBlanc and all donate fruits to void the extension god :)
09:22 smeringe with a special huge #typo3 flag :D
09:22 FloLeBlanc hehe
09:22 FloLeBlanc well actually this is the best support channel I ever found for any "program"
09:23 FloLeBlanc and the ppl in here make it that
09:23 smeringe and an #typo3 support award!
09:23 FloLeBlanc hehe
09:26 mikhas hello there. :)
09:26 smeringe hi mikhas
09:26 mikhas hi smeringe ;)
09:27 FloLeBlanc hi mikhas
09:27 mikhas smeringe: allt väl hoppas jag =)
09:27 mikhas woops, english.
09:27 smeringe :) absolutely
09:27 smeringe mikhas: done any extension development lately? ;)
09:28 smeringe heard you thought I was younger than I am... thnx :P
09:28 mikhas smeringe: haha, mark and his big mouth. :)
09:28 smeringe hehe
09:29 FloLeBlanc hmm... t3con.. *scratches head*
09:29 mikhas But yeah, I am working on an extension, actually have a question regarding exec_INSERquery. Is there an easy way to set all the "boring fields" like creationdate, sorting etc.. all that stuff that is done automatically in the backend when creating an element?
09:30 swemark *walks away*
09:30 smeringe hehe. hi swemark :P
09:30 swemark haha hello
09:32 smeringe hm.. mikhas, actually I donno... :S there a func to get the "enable fields" for a table.. but not sure how how to do with the "other std ones"
09:33 smeringe afaik, a lot of queries are selected with *..
09:34 smeringe FloLeBlanc: if you do it, I'll do it ;)
09:34 FloLeBlanc smeringe : lol
09:35 FloLeBlanc why do I have the feeling that it will end like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOKbhQbvpPA
09:37 koomi_ anyone tried to stomp on mysql's memory footprint? my laptop here is not the newest and i'd like mysql to be a bit more shy with my ram
09:37 smeringe FloLeBlanc: :D
09:38 FloLeBlanc koomi_: http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/reducing-mysql-memory-usage-for-low-end-boxes/ perhaps that is of help?
09:39 FloLeBlanc can someone point me to an article where various ways of form abuse are explained for that I can test a non typo3 form against it? (other project)
09:40 koomi_ FloLeBlanc: form abuse: depends on the kind of form
09:40 koomi_ FloLeBlanc: found that one too
09:40 mikhas smeringe: I've used enableFields for select-queries, I'll see if there's a function to autoset stuff for insert-queries
09:40 koomi_ and switched from apache to lighttpd
09:41 FloLeBlanc koomi_: "send email" form (no database involved)
09:41 FloLeBlanc I'm pretty sure I don't know all the tricks on how to abuse this for spam, that's why I ask :)
09:43 koomi_ FloLeBlanc: http://nyphp.org/phundamentals/email_header_injection.php (bottom of the page starts the explaination/interesting part)
09:44 FloLeBlanc koomi_ : thank you
09:50 emiles_ hm, how can i set a css class for the a elements in a typo3 menu?
09:51 FloLeBlanc emiles: I use wraps per level. f.e: wrap = <ul id="nav">|</ul>
09:51 FloLeBlanc or do you mean different classes for elements on the same level?
09:53 emiles_ FloLeBlanc: thanks. well, i wanted to make my html code slimmer
09:53 emiles_ FloLeBlanc: so i tried to get rid of the wrapping divs...
09:54 emiles_ FloLeBlanc: and use css on the a element instead of having it wrapped
09:54 emiles_ it'd also work better with the css file i need to "templatize" ;)
09:58 kv0s Hi!
09:59 kv0s I've a huge problem with charsets and the german "umlaute". Any experts here? My english isn't very well. So we can talk directly on german?
10:03 nd___ kv0s: Still having the problems?
10:03 nd___ I wonder, have workspaces completely replaced workflows? Because I can't seem to add a workflow, the task-center is empty, etc.
10:05 emiles_ kv0s: was ist das problem?
10:15 FloLeBlanc emiles_: er hat ein t3 update gemacht, und anscheinend sind alle backend verknüpften umlaute nun "zerstört"
10:16 emiles_ also im backend sehen die umlaute kaputt aus?
10:16 emiles_ oder alle umlaute die im content sind sehen auch im frontend kaputt aus?
10:18 nd___ emiles: Check the forum... there they're broken
10:31 nd___ Not possible? I guess it could be done with vim
10:38 nd___ smeringe: http://realm3.com/articles/getting_started_with_vim_and_php
10:41 m4rtijn hi all
10:41 FloLeBlanc hi martijn
10:41 FloLeBlanc m4rtijn of course :)
10:41 m4rtijn :p
10:49 Joker19 hi
10:51 Joker19 winter sleep is over ;)
10:55 nd___ smeringe_: You can visual-select the array-range, then fold it...
10:56 smeringe_ nd___: cool. must try that. I've only been using vim basicly so far, but maybe it'l become the next first choice then :)
10:56 FloLeBlanc vim is weird... if you know how to use it it rocks but until then.. brrr :)
10:57 smeringe_ +1
10:59 nd___ smeringe_: V+%,zf <- folds the array where the cursor is placed
10:59 nd___ smeringe_: But you gotta learn vim more in depth to enjoy it. Start with using `vimtutor` on your favorite unix system
10:59 mikhas just checked out the shorturl in the topic. if you could filter out all the joins and exits, #typo3 would be much more interesting. :)
11:02 mikhas btw, answer to my previous question regarding setting the boring stuff in a exec_INSERTquery statement. I set pid (to a nice folder), crdate and tstamp (to time(); ). That works fine for now.
11:06 d|g hi all
11:06 Joker19 How do I create backend formulars in my backend-extension based on TCA using TCEforms? Is there a useful how-to-document out there?
11:15 smeringe_ mikhas: ah. k.
11:16 smeringe_ nd___: I'm using . maybe I can be a lamer and use gvim as "a step into the deep" :)
11:17 smeringe_ he.. that is.. I'm using ... ubunut..
11:17 smeringe_ eh..
11:17 smeringe_ can't write today
11:28 nd___ smeringe_: Sure thing... I'm using gvim too (on Windows at work and on my mac at home).
11:28 nd___ smeringe_: Still, using vimtutor gives you basic overview
11:57 randomresult hi
11:58 randomresult i have a problem with tt-news... i want the bodytext to be used as subtitle (works...) and now i want to increase the displayed chars from 230 to 300... i tried the following: subheader_stdWrap.crop = 300 | ... | 1
11:58 randomresult but it has no effect
11:59 randomresult well it does... :)
11:59 randomresult shit sorry...
11:59 randomresult clear cache
11:59 randomresult sorry folks
12:21 tf hi all.
12:21 m4rtijn hi tf
12:22 tf when i write in my extension: if(isset(t3lib_div::_POST('name'))) { ... the whole page is blank. why ??????
12:39 FloLeBlanc tf: did you return $content ?
13:55 koomi_ ot: ted at it's best: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/264
14:03 m4rtijn ppl asked this question a lot of times.. but i never remembered.. whats the best solution for backuping a typo3 site with DB?
14:04 mikhas m4rtijn: hmm, w4x_backup works fine, in my experience.
14:04 emiles m4rtijn: i guess it's the same as for all php/mysql based apps. dump the database and save the sourcefiles.
14:05 mikhas it depends on the purpose I guess. I normally do it the 'dump the database / copy the filestructure'-way too.
14:07 m4rtijn me2.. but I hoped for it to be easier with a backup extesion..
14:10 mikhas m4rtijn: afaik w4x generates a compressed file with the whole filestructure, including an sql-file with the database.
14:10 m4rtijn hm
14:10 m4rtijn ok, thx
14:23 nexi hi
14:24 kv0s If i install ameos_formidable my pages are completly blank - including backend.
14:24 kv0s If i comment the extension in localconf out, my pages are running perfectly. ameos 1.0 and typo 4.2
14:25 nexi i'm new at typo and i have problems to understand how i can put content to an template field like here http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4535/tubasicnm1.gif <--i think i have to set the location in my pagecontent where the template has to show it or?
14:26 kv0s nexi: What do u mean?
14:27 kv0s kv0s: Do u read the template building? Do u start with a blank template?
14:27 nexi kv0s: i start with the template which u can see in my link
14:27 nexi the TU standard template from typo
14:28 nexi i wanna know how i can put text in the marked fields in this template like int point 3
14:31 kv0s nexi: you can edit all text within the page browser - can you edit?
14:31 nexi yes
14:31 nexi but how i can set the position of my text?`
14:32 kv0s You must edit the templates (html and css)
14:33 kv0s Typo3 - design, code and text
14:33 nexi hm so i cant set positions with typo3 only? like in the image? with template i can just format things like on section template right?
14:41 elbart hi guys
14:42 elbart does anybody has some tips about newsletter tracking with google analytics?
14:43 jimmi_s Hi, Can someone explain the conventional method of updating the Typo3 Version on a live site?
14:44 jimmi_s one of my clients uses 3.8.0. ... i need to update to the latest version. how do i go about doing this?
14:49 Marquel jimmi_s: i found an upgrade guide earlier today, lemme see.
14:50 mikhas jimmi_s: http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Upgrade
14:51 jimmi_s thanks
14:52 mikhas jimmi_s: preferably, if the uptime is very important, but not much is going on, on the site - setup a copy of the site and upgrade that one instead, and when you know that everything works, change the vhost to point to that site instead.
15:00 jimmi_s hmm, if only typo3 was easy lol :(
15:03 mikhas jimmi_s: well, 3.8.0 is kinda old, 4.0.0 came out in 2006 if I'm not mistaking.
15:03 Marquel morning... i've set up typo3-4.2.0 and it seems to work, but since i've started with the empty "dummy" site, i have a little problem generating content. either pages are not displayed at all (no template) or there's just "HELLO WORLD" but not the content i've set up. did i forgot something?
15:05 jimmi_s yeah i know its an old ver. hence my intent to upgrade :L
15:08 swemark Marquel: you've never worked with tpo3 before?
15:09 Marquel swemark: unfortunately not - i've tried to find a step-by-step guide to get to the very basics, but those on the website both assume there is already content on the site...
15:09 swemark ok
15:09 swemark page = PAGE
15:09 swemark page.typeNum = 0
15:09 swemark page.10 = USER
15:09 swemark page.10.userFunc = tx_templavoila_pi1->main_page
15:10 swemark Put that in your Template setup
15:10 swemark id strongly reccomend learning templavola
15:13 Marquel swemark: on the long term there's a corporate website to be transferred to a CMS (and typo3 was the first my boss came up with), so possibly that's a good idea ;)
15:14 Marquel swemark: technical question: i guess i should name the "root" page of the tree "main_page"?
15:15 swemark no
15:15 swemark name it whatever you like :)
15:15 swemark doesnt affect
15:16 swemark Marquel: templavoila ought to save you a good amount of time in the long run
15:16 swemark Theres a podcast on typo3.org/podcast
15:16 Marquel so there's no need to use the same name on "tx_templavoila_pi1->main_page" and on the tree?
15:16 swemark named something like templavoilda or future templateing
15:17 swemark Marquel: nope
15:17 swemark Anyway, that podcast outght to get you up and running
15:18 Marquel okay, that pretty much violates about everything i've learned so far about computing, but i should be used to such things by now and will simply force my brain to shut down that neuron fighting that "violation" ;)
15:26 mikhas Marquel: main_page is a function in tx_templavoila_pi1 if I'm not mistaking. So the line is calling the function main_page.
15:27 Marquel mikhas: okay, that explains it and will keep that cell silent ;)
15:27 koomi_ hehe
15:28 mikhas Marquel: ;)
15:38 tPl0ch hello, I have added a name="c{field:uid}" attribute to the anchor tags of content elements. But when I now want to jump to the section via http://index.php?id=37#c89, it doesnt jump there, although it should do. Is there something I have to add to the template or so?
15:44 kaktuspalme Hi i want to make a tmneu, the classes of the li tags should be counted, so <li class="asdf_1"></li><li class="asdf_2"></li>..., any idea?
16:15 nexi is there any way to fix the frame problem, if i click on a google link that i get the frameindex page as only one frame?
16:37 m4rtijn re
16:37 m4rtijn is typo3.org very slow atm. or is it me
16:39 razerL hiho
16:39 razerL is it possible to link a file from fileadmin to a page?
16:41 randomresult hi folks...
16:41 randomresult i have the following problem:
16:41 randomresult i made a tv-page with a possibility to place an icon for a navigation in the properties
16:42 randomresult this works fine as long as i enter an image...
16:42 randomresult but if i dont enter an image, typo3 renders a blank (white) gif
16:42 randomresult i dont want that... how to tell typo3 not to do that
16:42 randomresult i use the following code :
16:42 randomresult 10 = IMAGE 10.file = GIFBUILDER 10.file { XY = 24,21 10 = IMAGE 10.file.required = 1 10.file.import = uploads/tx_templavoila/ 10.file.import.current = 1 10.file.import.listNum = 0 10.file.maxW = 24 10.file.minW = 24 10.file.maxH = 21 10.file.minH = 21 }
16:43 randomresult 10.file.required = 1 does not have any effect
16:43 randomresult anyone can help?
16:43 randomresult means: if i enter no image, do nothing
16:43 randomresult dont render an image at all
16:44 m4rtijn randomresult -> paste your code at phpfi.com
16:44 m4rtijn not here
16:44 randomresult ok
16:45 randomresult http://phpfi.com/318391
16:45 randomresult sorry for that
16:45 randomresult normaly i do that... but ... iam sick of finding how to solve this prob
16:47 m4rtijn does anyone know if its possible in smoothgal.. to set the size of the images via TS ?
16:47 kv0s Any mm_forum experts alive? ,-) If i post a new article only a blank pages occours. the post is saved - but a blank page is displayed ... any ideas?
16:47 m4rtijn in the manual it just reads: Large image (in the middle):
16:47 m4rtijn Use the width/height field in the content element.
16:50 nexi hmm is there any way to black js with typo3? o.O
16:51 void nexi: to black?
16:53 nexi ups block
16:53 nexi cause i try to put in some js code and the browser seems to ignore it o.O
16:59 rodi_ nexi: where do you put in the code?
17:00 nexi between <head></head> and onload="script()" in body
17:02 rodi_ nexi: try to set page.bodyTag = <body onload="script();"> in your TypoScript Template
17:03 rodi_ or install the extension de_addbodyjscript
17:05 Awillys_ hi there
17:05 Awillys_ typo3.org/extensions link working for anyone?
17:06 rodi_ hi Awillys: nope, gets redirected to doc/book
17:06 Awillys_ yeah same
17:07 nexi rodi_: hm thx
17:08 nexi if (top.location != location)
17:08 nexi {
17:08 nexi top.location.href = document.location.href ;
17:08 nexi }
17:08 nexi i try with the js my frameset to force to reload cause only one framepart will be loaded
17:15 kv0s I got a message from mm_forum: sorry couldn't redirect to last page because your system prohibit it ... (or similiar - translated from german)
17:15 kv0s Any ideas why?
17:22 kv0s The correct error message in english: Unfortunately we could not return you on the last site, becaue your system suppresses the conveying of the last site. (mm_forum)
17:22 kv0s Does anyone knows why? Which configuration suppresses that redirect?
17:38 tommyd Hi! How can I prevent that selected files from the fileadmin get copied over to uploads/ in the Typo3 backend?
17:42 void tommyd: no way unless you don't use DAM
17:42 tommyd I don't use DAM
17:42 void if so - no way.
18:08 patped Hi, does anyone know some site with tutorials on java in typo3?
18:11 void patped: java?? JS, you mean?
18:12 patped yes
18:12 patped im trying to add some js to my frontpage
18:12 patped just cant get i working
18:13 patped *it
18:13 void patped: what does not work? how do you add js?
18:13 patped i basicly add some html + js in the rich text editor
18:14 patped the html works fine
18:14 void and js is of course stripped? ;)
18:14 void you should add JS with typoscript
18:14 patped stripped? :S
18:14 patped typoscript
18:14 patped hmm
18:14 patped ill search
18:21 nexi ask again^^ i use the buissines standard template, it uses frames, i have the problem that when i load a site only not from the rootpage my menu failed it just shows some menu entrys but not the hole one
18:23 nexi ah the ed ^^
18:33 Fanty hello!
18:33 Fanty any users of the extension a4n_edit_locallang here?
18:35 dot1 how to retirieve conf array in static php script in typo3 extension ?
18:36 dot1 I have some values in ext/my_extension/static/setup.txt and a standalone php script for ajax case but I don't know how to retrieve the typo3 value.
18:36 just2b standalone = no typo3 at all?
18:37 dot1 yep, a typo3 because I include all need include to have a correct typo3 context and object
18:37 dot1 perhaps need I to debug $GLOBALS array ?
18:48 Hayertje Hello
18:50 Hayertje I have a problem with uploading my typo3 ext it says Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 4546220 bytes) in...... /typo3/mod/tools/em/class.em_terconnection.php on line 152
18:50 just2b increase memory:limit
18:50 just2b 16mb is not really much
18:50 Hayertje how do i do that
18:51 Hayertje ?
18:52 just2b ask your hoster
18:53 Hayertje cant i do this myself? i have plent space left
18:54 Hayertje *plenty
18:54 just2b if you have the rights to
18:54 just2b but it is not about disk space
18:55 Hayertje What then?
18:55 just2b memory_limit is how many mb php is allowed to take
18:56 Hayertje so i have to ask for more MB in php?
18:56 just2b you need to set it in php.ini
18:59 rodi_ Hayertje: alternatively you could try to override it from a .htaccess file if the webserver settings allow it
19:00 just2b rodi_ which i doubt
19:01 rodi_ yeah, me too ;-)
19:01 Hayertje so I just have to ask for bigger space in my php?
19:02 Hayertje Or is there another option to upload MM_forum
19:03 Hayertje or what is a good forum to use
19:03 just2b you cant use typo3 with 16mb memory_limit
19:04 just2b it is like wanting a ferrari with 5l / 100km... you cant have 500 horse powers and dont want to pay for the petrol
19:05 rodi_ well you can run TYPO3 with 16 MB, though 32 MB is recommended
19:05 Hayertje ok should i sent a mail like
19:05 Hayertje Hello is it possible to update my php from 16 mb to 32 mb?
19:06 just2b Hayertje ask your hoster
19:06 just2b ask for more memory_limit
19:06 just2b @ rodi_ you cant.. not a 4.2. or 4.1.6, you cant change language, you cand download ext list, you cant install tt_news
19:07 Hayertje ok i will do thanks
19:07 just2b driving a ferrari is not driving 1m in your garage
19:07 rodi_ just2b: right about that, but still you can run a TYPO3 installtion an have to figure out different ways to upload your extensions, or are not able to use them
19:08 just2b this is not a running typo3 ^^
19:08 just2b this is a crawling typo3
19:08 rodi_ lol
19:08 Hayertje lol
19:08 Hayertje may i ask what u guys pay for the web host?
19:09 just2b 0
19:09 just2b ;)
19:09 just2b but e.g. visit mittwald.de
19:09 Hayertje You dont have any?:p
19:09 just2b or any other typo3 hoster
19:09 rodi_ well I pay about 35,- euro for a root server
19:09 just2b i have plenty
19:10 just2b insert "just2b typo3" in google... i am doing this quite some time ;)
19:10 Hayertje and mittwald is free
19:10 Hayertje what do u get at space ect
19:10 just2b no of course not
19:10 Hayertje oh i get it you dont pay
19:11 just2b i never said that i host at mittwald or that hosting therre is free
19:11 just2b visit the page.. there are different possibilites... so i wont copy paste all from there
19:11 Hayertje oh sorry i get it now
19:23 moodaep1 Hmm I have a link to a file on a page. I rename file...should the linked text be unlinked automatically?
19:27 temro hi
19:28 temro what fileformat is used to store the typo databse as a t3d file?
19:29 just2b moodaep1 static link > no
19:37 moodaep1 just2b: thanks I thought it was any link...oh well
19:38 makmoer hi all..excuse the idiot question..but how the hell do I access a GET request parameter? in the page I want <iframe src="www.blabla.com?xxx=<? echo $_GET['xx']; ?>..the php is not executed..is there some special way of doing this ?
19:40 just2b makmoer where? TS, PHP??
19:41 makmoer I juse see : "Standard HTML"
19:41 makmoer page content I suppose
19:42 just2b echo and so on is no html
19:43 makmoer the page type is html
19:43 makmoer should it be script or something ?
19:43 temro what fileformat is used to store the typo databse as a t3d file?
19:44 just2b internal thing
19:49 Hayertje some one has experince with a free hoster lik free hostia?
19:51 Hayertje also what is the best way for back up settings and text
19:53 just2b Hayertje you dont get it, do you? use localhost or pay
19:54 Hayertje no but the point is I am hosting with a paid hoster at the moment
19:54 Hayertje just send the question
20:09 GeisonQuevedo helle
20:10 GeisonQuevedo anybody can help in a problem?
20:10 void GeisonQuevedo: which problem?
20:12 GeisonQuevedo in the "Element Browser" I need select more 1 categories
20:12 GeisonQuevedo but is impossible, because dont have the incon "PLUS" +
20:13 void GeisonQuevedo: which categories?
20:13 GeisonQuevedo only the icon "flash"
20:13 GeisonQuevedo the categories of the DAM extension
20:14 GeisonQuevedo there is a Tree menu, end I need more than 1 categorie
20:15 GeisonQuevedo I dont know if this is possible
20:19 GeisonQuevedo void, you understand?
20:23 void did not use DAM for a while
20:23 void wait for someone other answer
20:26 GeisonQuevedo ok, thanks!
22:04 roterguru hi
22:04 roterguru hope this is the right channel ... I have a .htaccess and a .htpasswd for user authorisazion. Works fine but firefox and IE are asking me 2 or 3 times for the password/username. I always type in the correct ones and I don't user frames. So how can I avoid this multiple authorisatiion request?
22:07 roterguru going to ask in #apache ...

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