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04:19 rockysynergy My hosting company turned off the exec() and did not get imagemagick installed though requested. But my Typo3 site really need a photo book. Can any of you give me some suggestions on how to solve this problem?
04:42 chefan change the hosting company, if a nasty email doesn't help
04:43 chefan you can't work around every restriction
04:43 chefan oops, he left already
04:43 chefan rats
06:18 xsebi g'mornin
08:54 rapidfyredotnet I recently updated from Typo3 4.1.x to 4.2.0 on multiple websites...
08:55 rapidfyredotnet Using the update wizard, the compatiblityversion was set to 4.2 which by default makes rtehtmlarea use div.indent instead of blockquote when using the indent button.
08:56 rapidfyredotnet How do I made div.indent still visually indent inside the RTE in the backend so I can at least see some sort of preview of what it will look like?
08:57 rapidfyredotnet I have created a class already for my website div.indent {margin-left:60px;} but what do I do for the backend?
08:58 rapidfyredotnet help!!
09:28 Marquel morning.
09:28 Marquel the bad news is: i'm back. :)
09:34 mikhas goodmorning
09:35 JCal hey all... anyone know if it is possible to make "username" a NOT required field in sr_feuser_register?
09:36 Marquel now comes the question... i've created a login-page and an access restricted page. but whenever i login, the URL in the address bar changes to the id of the access restricted page but the content is from the root of the page tree... am i missing something? (not using templavoila, created the tree after "modern template building" guide...)
09:37 mikhas JCal: there are typoscript-settings to set field and required, but you should test it.
09:37 mikhas is tcdirectmail or directmail the most supported newsletter plugin? I personally like tcdirectmail better, easier to setup.
09:37 JCal yeah, i have been trying, but the more i think about it... i dont know if it is possible to create users without usernames (or at least email as username)
09:38 mikhas I wonder if I should use srfeuserregister to connect subscription to the newsletter or perhaps some other plugin. there's the additional ext direct_mail_subscription but it's aimed for directmail, not tcdirectmail
09:39 mikhas JCal: it's possible to set email as username though. and password can be autogenerated.
09:39 JCal hmm, ok, i set email as username, that should suffice... now i will look into auto generate pass
09:40 JCal ohh
09:40 JCal hmm, it can also generate username
09:43 JCal feuser kinda rocks
09:46 FloLeBlanc hi all
09:55 Marquel nvm. fixed.
09:57 Fanty morning
09:58 FloLeBlanc hi fanty
10:15 Marquel okay, say "half solved"... i think i'm still missing something...
10:18 rapidfyredotnet Good morning. Here's one for you. Since Typo3 4.2, blockquote is now replaced by a div of class indent. How do I make div.indent visually indent inside the RTE in the backend so I can at least see some sort of preview of what it will look like?
10:25 m4rtijn hi all
10:26 FloLeBlanc hi martijn
10:26 mikhas JCal: you managed to do what you wanted with sr_feuser..? ;)
10:27 JCal oh yeah... autogenerate username and pass
10:27 teppi|work rapidfyredotnet, create a css for this style and follwing line to your RTE configuration with your customizes filepaths ..
10:27 teppi|work RTE.default.contentCSS = /fileadmin/res/css/htmlarea.css
10:27 teppi|work maybe this is enough
10:27 mikhas sweet
10:29 dokma hi guys. anyone got experience with makelinks ?
10:39 rapidfyredotnet teppi|work: I love you! I've asked this question for the last two days with no answers. I'm still trying to figure out why "EXT:rtehtmlarea/res/contentcss/default.css" doesn't include default CSS for these default classes.
10:39 teppi|work even my girlfiend didnt said this to me yet :-(
10:40 rapidfyredotnet sorry I'm not a substitute for that.
10:40 Marquel teppi|work: where would i put that line ("RTE.default.contentCSS = ...")?
10:41 teppi|work into the TSConfig of the root page ..
10:41 teppi|work go to page properties
10:41 teppi|work there is a tsconfig field
10:42 teppi|work <INCLUDE_TYPOSCRIPT: source="FILE: fileadmin/res/ts/pageTSconfig.txt"> <-- this way you can externalize the setup into a file
10:42 Marquel teppi|work: first line was already sufficient ;)
10:43 dokma teppi|work: you got any clue about makelinks ?
10:43 teppi|work dont know what you mean with makelinks
10:43 teppi|work typolinks?
10:43 dokma seems to me like a way to add params to a tag with mailto addresses
10:43 dokma I'm trying to implement statistics for clicks on mailto links
10:44 dokma and makelinks seems to be the way
10:44 dokma lib.parseFunc.makelinks.mailto.ATagParams = onClick="alert('works!')"
10:44 dokma something like this
10:46 teppi|work and what isnt working?
10:47 dokma well the onClick does not appear on mailto links
10:47 dokma on the text CEs
10:47 dokma I also have this
10:47 dokma lib.parseFunc_RTE.makelinks.mailto.ATagParams = onClick="alert('works!')"
10:47 dokma which is used in tt_content.text
10:47 teppi|work http://www.typo3.net/tsref/functions/parsefunc/
10:47 teppi|work maybe helps this?
10:48 dokma so I figured it should affect it
10:48 dokma let me check it
10:51 rapidfyredotnet teppi|work: The <INCLUDE_TYPOSCRIPT... is sweet. Didn't know about that. I also saw that RTE.default.mainStyleOverride_add.indent may be the answer as well since I am just wanting to define a single class not specified in the default stylesheet. Thanks again for the tips.
10:51 teppi|work ;-)
11:12 JCal anyone have any pointers on using javascript to display additional fields in feuser_register?
11:22 rapidfyredotnet howdy
11:27 FloLeBlanc JCal: there is a manual on how to add new fields to sr_feuser_register in the äh.. manual :) (using an extension not JS)
11:28 JCal ahh yes, i have added fields no problem
11:29 JCal FloLeBlanc: but what I was hoping to do, is make it so when a user changes the attribute of a field, a new field appears
11:30 FloLeBlanc hmm.. I wouldn't know a hook for that.. the problem is that you COULD do that I think, but then you'll be unable to upgrade to future versions because the files would be overwritten
11:31 FloLeBlanc well you could script the js for that in the template, but I can't think of a good way to verify the input hmm
11:39 Flotto hi i use a catmenu from tt_news but my categories are sort by uid and not by title. i tried to change it in ext_table.php but nothing happens... is there any fix for it?
11:42 FloLeBlanc flotto: the order by field does nothing?
11:43 Flotto FloLeBlanc, nothing
11:43 FloLeBlanc flotto: changing it in ext_tables.php should work if you do a "dirty" fix
11:44 FloLeBlanc 'default_sortby' => 'ORDER BY uid' change to 'default_sortby' => 'ORDER BY uid' - according to a forum entry I found
11:44 FloLeBlanc sorry wrong paste
11:44 FloLeBlanc 'sortby' => 'sorting', is the replacement of course
11:45 FloLeBlanc hmm.. opinions differ if this works in the frontend also though :)
11:46 Flotto FloLeBlanc, 'default_sortby' => 'sorting', doesnt work
11:48 FloLeBlanc hmm.. sorry then I'm out of ideas
11:48 Flotto thanks for trying
11:50 FloLeBlanc flotto: did you try to edit the "category ordering in Backend trees" (perhaps this effects both the FE and BE) in the extension manager?
11:51 FloLeBlanc (don't forget to clear cache in between)
11:52 Flotto yes changed it to title but didnt work. and cleared cache but no change
11:52 FloLeBlanc hmm :(
11:53 FloLeBlanc flotto: good luck with the issue , I'll be back later
11:55 tPl0ch How do I configure the RTE that it uses <br> tags instead of <p> tags
11:56 tPl0ch ?
11:56 m4rtijn shift + enter
11:57 m4rtijn tPl0ch
11:57 tPl0ch m4rtijn: Is it possible to make the <br> tags as default behaviour, even only with shift?
11:57 tPl0ch ermm
11:58 tPl0ch I mean enter
11:58 m4rtijn yes it is.. I read it somewhere..
11:58 m4rtijn but i dont remember how :p
11:59 m4rtijn some ts setup thingie
12:08 Denyerec Ahoy ahoy peoples!
12:10 m4rtijn hi deny
12:14 Denyerec Hey martin
12:14 Denyerec Do you fancy complaining to the HCI list about the background colour in 4.2 ?
12:14 Denyerec I would do it again, but I'm not allowed because Dmitry doesn't think my name is real :)
12:15 Denyerec (That is, the main grey doesn't match with the menu grey spectrum. menu warm, main area cold. Looks naff)
12:17 Denyerec #EBEAEA would be a move towards correct.
12:18 Denyerec I wonder if I can write an extension to just change that one CSS rule...
12:19 martinac hi all
12:23 martinac i have a really strange problem with the extension: powermail
12:23 martinac i installed it and set it up like written in the manual and it works fine, when i am logged in in the backend of typo. But when i delete the cookies i just get a blank page on the site where the powermail extension is used
12:30 martinac Does anyone have a idea what could be the matter
12:30 martinac ?
13:43 soari how can i define MENUITEM for all states at the same time?
13:49 animan1 hi, anyone had a problem where one couldn't add a picture via WYSIWYG editor. I get a directory listing, but am unable to browse files inside of them
13:50 m4rtijn re
13:55 Denyerec YIKES
13:56 Denyerec what happened to the filelist module in 4.2 ?
13:56 Denyerec Can none of the typo3 devs afford widescreen monitors or something?
13:56 Denyerec full width pages = BAD BAD BAD
13:56 Denyerec at least BAD without the option to restrict it
13:56 Denyerec Filelist is a complete mess now :/
14:00 m4rtijn I dislike the complete 4.2 look
14:00 m4rtijn but.. its just some getting used to I guess
14:03 Denyerec Nah
14:03 Denyerec the new menu is nice
14:03 Denyerec but they have made some proper useability screwups
14:03 Denyerec mostly due to 100% page width issues
14:03 Denyerec leaving menu buttons and whatnot floating 2feet to my right
14:04 Denyerec and things like the filelist module looking incoherant when spread over a 1920px browser window
14:04 Denyerec Just bad UI design IMO.
14:04 Denyerec Not surprising given that the HCI list seems to be a constant circle of everyone rejecting everyone elses ideas /
14:04 Denyerec :/
14:04 Denyerec "Oh that's nice, but we won't be able to use it"
14:05 Denyerec "Good idea, but too late for 4.2"
14:05 Denyerec Repeat ad nauseum.
14:05 Denyerec I'm going to see if I can hack the master CSS file to sort things out
14:10 m4rtijn does anyone know if it makes any difference for google-friendlyness if I make a <ul><li> navi or <div> navi?
14:11 swemark void: whats the word on 4.2.1?
14:12 Denyerec martin, AFAIK, some people prefer how UL's render without CSS
14:12 Denyerec and there's an arguement that because they're listed and nested, google can infer structure from it.
14:12 Denyerec How much truth there is to that, I do not know
14:12 m4rtijn hmm.. k thanks
14:12 Denyerec I usually use LI's and just nest divs/spans as necessary for style purposes.
14:13 Denyerec as once you've stripped all the margins and crap off the UL/LI struct, it's pretty easy to style anyway
14:13 m4rtijn yes.. but I just read that display: none; messes with screenreaders..
14:13 Denyerec How does one go about modifying typo3/sysext/t3skin/stylesheets/typo3-file-list.css by means of an installable extension?
14:13 m4rtijn and its a barrierfree site
14:13 Denyerec why would you use display:none ?
14:14 m4rtijn to get rid of the dots
14:16 Denyerec ?!?!
14:16 Denyerec list-style-type: none;
14:16 JCal lol
14:17 JCal hey denyerec, is it just me, or do you have to add list-style-type:none to both UL and LI?
14:17 m4rtijn hehe
14:17 Denyerec I think so JCal
14:17 Denyerec I can never rememeber so do both.
14:17 Denyerec hnjdsuhf urihgfkjre
14:17 Denyerec JHFNUJEHFJEN
14:17 Denyerec ARGH
14:17 Denyerec 4.2 is so broken :(
14:17 JCal yeah, im so not upgrading yet
14:17 Denyerec Pagetree is completely unco-operative in Opera
14:18 Denyerec which given that it's more compliant than both IE and Firefox, is upsetting.
14:18 m4rtijn i had no problems in opera
14:19 Denyerec ]When creating pages, the ajax refresh fails
14:20 pmk65 I don't have those problems in my 4.2 installations. Maybe it's some extensions that fucks it up?
14:20 Denyerec I have tt_news and TV installed.
14:20 pmk65 no other ext?
14:21 Denyerec And I just installed pagetree tools, which seems to have just broken the tree completely
14:21 Denyerec so I'm removing that.
14:21 Denyerec and no, nothing beyond the standard exts
14:21 Denyerec couldn't find the clear cache button for a while cos it was literally a foot to my right...
14:22 swemark I blame the creator!
14:22 Denyerec At least it's free
14:23 Denyerec that's all I can say.
14:23 Denyerec pmk - the tree seems stable in Firefox, but in Opera it's a crapshoot
14:23 Denyerec I need to figure out how to modify the core CSS by way of an extension to make the thing comfortable to use.
14:23 Denyerec Got to get a site done for this evening though so I guess I just have to tolerate it for now.
14:24 pmk65 Copy the skin you need into a new extension, and then modify it.
14:25 Denyerec so copy the entire t3skin extension
14:25 Denyerec hack it
14:25 Denyerec then install that one, and remove normal t3skin
14:26 pmk65 yes. I use a modified t3skin myself ( daimi_skin) which have larger letters and other changes.
14:26 Denyerec might look at how t3skin installs its CSS files, then write an override for the rules that I deem stupid, so that if t3skin changes I don't have to repeat myself
14:26 Valdo hello, I'm using pi_getLL
14:26 Valdo but I don't remember how to replace markers from the localized text
14:27 Valdo there is a method for that
14:29 Flotto hi i use a catmenu from tt_news but my categories are sort by uid and not by title. i tried to change it in ext_table.php but nothing happens... is there any fix for it?
14:49 umc-work does anyone know how to create a filemount that's not in fileadmin ?
14:50 Denyerec Interesting question
14:50 umc-work I need to create one for a folder that's on the same level as fileadmin...
14:50 m4rtijn symlink?
14:50 umc-work hm... interesting solution
14:51 umc-work it's crazy enough that it might just work
14:52 m4rtijn :p
14:53 umc-work the problem is that we deploy the app with ebuilds, on gentoo, and everything in fileadmin is going to be screwed
14:54 umc-work and I have a template file that is changed by the backend, so it's not a good place for it to be under fileadmin :)
14:57 umc-work cool. symlinking seems to be the answer
14:57 umc-work thanks for the ideea m4rtijn
14:58 m4rtijn youre welcome
15:20 Denyerec Putting the RTE on the second tab was the work of a complete tool.
15:21 Denyerec IT'S A TEXT ELEMENT
15:21 Denyerec EDITING THE TEXT IS SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT
15:21 Denyerec Christ
15:21 Denyerec Sometimes I think the HCI group need dragging out and burying alive.
15:24 FloLeBlanc re
15:26 m4rtijn wb flo
15:35 void hi typo3
15:37 void it is like a making a draft of boeing nut
15:37 smeringe hi void. impressionistic art style? :)
15:38 void yeah... i'll draw in impressionistic art style.. but i'm forced to use some State Standarts
15:40 swemark void: whats the word on 4.2.1?
15:41 void swemark: i do not follow last news last week.. was it out?
15:41 Fanty What am I missing when I'm trying to update from 4.1 to 4.2 and the backend isen't really working all that well now? it seems cut off 100 px above the bottom (blank), clean cache dosen't expand when I press the icon and the menu you get by clicking the page tree is located far from the cursor
15:41 swemark void: not yet
15:51 FloLeBlanc hi void
15:52 void hi Flo
15:53 FloLeBlanc void: the invisible purple unicorn? :)
15:54 void maybe
15:57 Fanty seemed to be some access rights set wrong somewhere causing the JS to fail
15:58 void Fanty: got same probs... unless did not set fileCreationMask in install tool
15:59 Fanty rtehtmlarea is killing me :( Why won't it let me set a width of the textarea when I use it in other extensions (using rtehtmlarea/pi2)
16:03 Fanty any good alternatives to rtehtmlarea when it comes to getting RTE editors in my other extensions?
16:12 void Fanty: i think currently there is no alternatives to rtehtmlarea. but i personally think that markdown should be used everywhere instead of wysiwyg
16:13 Fanty void: I don't care. I just need a RTE I can control. I can't set width/height of rtehtmlarea without breaking IE6 or IE7
16:14 pmk65 Fanty: try TinyMCE/TinyRTE. It's very easy to configure that to different sices, and it doesn't choke the page if you got more than 1 editor :)
16:15 pmk65 Check out the LFEDITOR extension, it uses TinyMCE to create several editors on the same page.
16:21 Fanty pmk65: hmm.. ok - will do
16:21 Fanty pmk65: the base class seems to be BE only
16:22 pmk65 I haven't tried it for FE editing, but It shouldn't be that hard to modify
16:25 void btw, i made an extension which integrates webchat into typo3
16:25 void what do you think guys, should i release it to TER or no?
16:29 swemark backend?
16:29 swemark void: is it backend chat?
16:29 void swemark: no. frontend
16:29 swemark oh ok
16:30 FloLeBlanc void: what's webchat? :)
16:30 FloLeBlanc (or do you mean a generic web-chat)
16:30 void FloLeBlanc: web-chat... ajax and so on..
16:31 FloLeBlanc void: well.. yes I'm not sure if we'd use it but I'd like to see it released if it is stable :)
16:31 FloLeBlanc void: does it have a moderator function?
16:36 void FloLeBlanc: yeah... it's just a wrapper around http://phpfreechat.net/
16:37 void yes, it have moderation function... but i did not yet make a wrapper for that
16:41 FloLeBlanc void: just testing the testchat.. nice functions.. is it templateable too?
16:42 void FloLeBlanc: yes.. it have some "themes"
16:42 FloLeBlanc void: hmm my IE7 is in a constant "reload" state when testing the chat
16:54 chefan that is quite normal
16:55 chefan as long as you are working on http based connections, there is no alternative to requesting, waiting for an answer, requesting again... and so on
16:56 chefan you'll have to live with that until html is made truly asynchronous and event driven (which will obviously never be the case)
16:57 void FloLeBlanc: did not test on IE7 yet
16:57 FloLeBlanc chefan: :)
16:58 chefan hi void by the way :)
16:58 void hi chefan
16:58 chefan found something new to play with
16:58 chefan OpenLaszlo & Red5
16:59 void chefan: ries worked with OL some time ago
17:05 n33kz hi
17:08 n33kz does someone of you know why template.file = layout/template.html doesn't work, but template.file = fileadmin/layout/template.html works?
17:08 n33kz i want my templates not in fileadmin folder
17:08 FloLeBlanc Is it possible to allow access to tt_news records in one point of the page tree and restrict the creation of content elements, and do it the other way round in another part of the tree for one user? or do I need two usergroups for that?
17:09 n33kz with typo3 4.1.* it was no problem at all, but typo3 4.2.0 seems to have problems with this
17:09 FloLeBlanc n33kz: well if your structure is fileadmin/layout/template.html and you just search in /layout/template.html the path will not exist will it? :)
17:09 n33kz FloLeBlanc: my structure is /layout/template.html
17:09 n33kz and it doesn't work
17:10 FloLeBlanc n33kz: how can the fileadmin/layout/template.html file be found then? does the layout directory exist 2 times?
17:10 n33kz but when moved the template file in fileadmin/layout for test purpose
17:10 n33kz and changed the path to fileadmin/layout/template.html it worked
17:13 n33kz FloLeBlanc: if the template is under fileadmin it works, but when i try to have that templates outside of fileadmin it doesn't work, even when the paths are configured right
17:14 n33kz is this some kind of "feature" of typo3 4.2.0? i really don't want my tempaltes somewhere in fileadmin folder
17:21 FloLeBlanc n33kz: hmm perhaps the access rights? (fileadmin is 755 in my install)
17:23 n33kz i have checked that
17:23 n33kz it's not
17:25 Marquel hi - i have a little problem w/ temlavoila: i can install localized pages (and their titles are used in menus), but the localized content is not displayed. what have i missed?
17:43 FloLeBlanc can I somehow prevent users from adding new content and only allow editing of existant content elements?
17:44 FloLeBlanc existent of course :)
17:58 Guest2008 Hello
17:59 Guest2008 anybodys speaking german here?
18:00 Guest2008 cause I've got a problem with tt_news-template and maybe it is better to solve this problem in my mother tongue - german ;(
18:02 Guest2008 @m4rtijn: do you speak german?
18:06 Guest2008 ok than in English...
18:06 void Guest2008: there is a #typo3-de channel where german is allowed
18:07 void but it is empty as i see...
18:08 Guest2008 oh, here is the question: how can I edit the HTML-Template for tt_news? I've searched for this on Google many times, but I don't really get on with the solutions they write, who can help?
18:10 FloLeBlanc guest2008: you can just create the template the way you want and then set the template file via TS or with editing the content element and activating the tab "template" and choose the template (see the documentation of tt_news on typo3.org)
18:11 Guest2008 and which markers do I have to put in my template and aren't there any problems if typo3 doesn't find all markers that are needed for tt_news?
18:12 FloLeBlanc guest2008: you should find a complete template as reference in : /typo3conf/ext/tt_news/pi/news_template.tmpl
18:13 FloLeBlanc guest2008: you should however not directly overwrite that template, because you will loose the updates on a tt_news update. rather store your template in the fileadmin/ directory and link to it via ts or in the template tab as stated above
18:14 FloLeBlanc loose the changes that is not loose the updates
18:14 m4rtijn cu later dudes
18:15 Guest2008 ok, and whats the ts code to refer to my own template?
18:16 FloLeBlanc don't know this out of my mind, check the tt_news manual for that please
18:20 Guest2008 ah, I think it is this one, am I right: plugin.tt_news.templateFile = fileadmin/templates/tt_news_template.html02
18:44 Guest2008 ok, now I've did what you said but it doesn't work, what could be the problem? :(
19:53 just2b_ lol, new ext in ter with manual in 2h
19:57 Denyerec oooh ?
19:57 just2b_ ;)
20:01 Denyerec Wassit dooo!
20:01 Denyerec You gotta tell
20:01 just2b_ http://www.rggooglemap.com/en/dev/geoip.html
20:01 just2b_ it is just a small API thing which i wanted in an own ext
20:02 just2b_ which i need for another cool ext :D
20:02 just2b_ check out http://www.rggooglemap.com/fileadmin/img/ext/rgsimplegooglemaps/test.htm
20:04 Denyerec hey it's not too innaccurate either
20:04 Denyerec near
20:16 Awillys hello there
20:18 Awillys I have a fried of mine who wants to starts coding with Typo3. Is there any typo3 coding best practices guide somewhere? he did an extension but the codes might not be 'clean'...
20:18 nd____ Awillys: There's a styleguide
20:19 Awillys nd____: do you have the link?
20:19 Awillys maybe lib/div coding style from the ECT is also smthg to follow?
20:19 just2b take the core api
20:19 nd____ Awillys: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_core_cgl/current/
20:20 Awillys nd____: tx :)
20:21 nd____ welcome
20:35 jananne` just2b, i'm willing to accept you offer.
22:00 timemage do columns in the page content editor have anything to do with markers in the design template?
22:16 Marquel nobody?
22:30 hurry Delete file
22:30 hurry The command given to this module is unknown.
22:30 hurry Command:
22:30 hurry tx_dam_cmd_filedelete
22:30 hurry what does this mean?
22:30 hurry when i SU a User i can upload but not delete the file - what did i forgot?
23:17 hurry problem solved
23:34 HardPhuck guys
23:34 HardPhuck i have a presentation titled "What is new on web and it's technologies"
23:34 HardPhuck to make :)
23:34 HardPhuck anyone knows of a good point to start
23:35 HardPhuck i need to talk 15 minutes and about 10 powerpoint slides
23:35 HardPhuck short thingy nothing important
23:35 Tsoots top left corner
23:35 HardPhuck so... what's new :D
23:46 Denyerek lol @ top left corner
23:46 Denyerec Suppose you could talk about Silverlight and Air and all those flash enabling desktop crossover things
23:51 s-andersen goodevening
23:53 HardPhuck Denyerec, well silverlight i just wrote about, but i must not wrote about hardware
23:53 HardPhuck whats new on web only
23:53 HardPhuck so web technologies, no OSs no hardware no standalone software
23:54 Denyerec IPV6?
23:54 HardPhuck oh, nice one, thanx
23:54 HardPhuck im thinking a facebook article also
23:55 s-andersen Does some of you have experience with an extension letting FE-users edit tt_address records?
23:55 Denyerec I would be more generic, and talk about how the web changes the way people can interact through sites LIKE facebook
23:55 Denyerec there's a really good talk on this
23:55 Denyerec 1 sec
23:55 Denyerec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAEMjD4J55E
23:56 HardPhuck thanx!

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