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16:06 snoy_ms -> Laut Robert Lemke waren die Passwörter md5 verschlüsselt, das Passwort welches verwendet wurde, war lediglich zu einfach.
16:06 hrehf but md5 is insecure?! :)
16:06 ckoehler and you can run it through rainbowtables to get the real password
16:06 snoy_ms lol
16:06 ckoehler not hard
16:06 chefan insecure is very relative
16:06 HardPhuck s-andersen: thanx i will try it
16:06 s-andersen Yes rainbow tables shouldn't make it that hard to find a lot of the passwords
16:06 ries we can all agree that a non hashed password (plain text) is more easy to get then a hashed version
16:07 chefan i believe that the kind of passwords even "professionals" tend to use are still less secure than md5
16:07 HardPhuck s-andersen: i can use work on subpart only one per template or can i use it several tims
16:08 s-andersen HardPhuck: Actually I'm not that much into this way of building a template, I have used it once, and then left it for pure TS templates and templaVoila. There is some documentation here: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/4.1.0/view/8/26/
16:09 chefan i just read a funny bit about sha1 being broken :) seems to take 2**69 instead of the assumed 2**80 to brute force oO - what a shock
16:10 ries You can try your 'hash' here : http://passcracking.com/index.php
16:10 xxan0xx I'm a bit of a bind, I have a block on my template that I can't seem to get to be editable from the backend typo3 interface
16:10 ries I am glad to see that my password is not in that rainbow table :D
16:11 ries john316 is actually....
16:11 xxan0xx can anyone help me out ??
16:11 Anees Hi guys
16:12 Anees I am using typo3, facing problem in newsML feed template need help?
16:13 Anees any one has any idea?
16:15 s-andersen HardPhuck: I looked a little more into it, and I'm actually not sure that you can use "Work on subparts"
16:15 HardPhuck yeah, i've looked into that
16:15 s-andersen HardPhuck: There might be an ugly solution, if you don't mind having the content you want to append wrapped in a <div></div>
16:16 HardPhuck i don't mind
16:16 s-andersen ...subparts.right = COA
16:16 s-andersen ...subparts.right.wrap = </div><div>|
16:17 s-andersen forget that, I'm doing it in a pastebin
16:17 HardPhuck lol ok
16:17 HardPhuck i think i know where this is going :)
16:18 s-andersen http://www.phlogi.net/t3/tspastebin/
16:18 s-andersen Yeah, and my solution is so ugly that it fucks up the pastebin :D
16:18 HardPhuck lol
16:18 s-andersen 30.value = should have said 30.value = </div><div>
16:18 HardPhuck yeah i got the picture
16:19 HardPhuck force end the div and start a new one
16:19 s-andersen Yep. It's ugly, but it works :)
16:21 HardPhuck oh well i'll just use this solution, we can't have it all :)
16:21 Prot0 anyone ever made a module that uploads files in the BE?
16:21 xxan0xx we use Qixplorer
16:22 xxan0xx and it works alright
16:22 HardPhuck i use quixplorer too
16:22 Prot0 it's something custom
16:22 HardPhuck i have
16:22 Prot0 needs to process CSV files
16:22 Prot0 but file upload ain't working for some reason
16:24 HardPhuck afaik you allready have csv importing extension
16:24 HardPhuck see there how it's made
16:26 xxan0xx Wow this is pissing me off :| .. I've been working on this stupid thing for a week and im about ready to kick it
16:26 xxan0xx frustration is getting the best of me today i think
16:27 Prot0 lol
16:27 Prot0 your not alone... ;]
16:27 animan hi. i have a simple TS question -- how to map two different content elements in one TS -- http://nopaste.org/p/a2ACmhZOZ
16:28 animan at this point. later code overrides the first one
16:28 Anees any idea for newsML feed template?
16:28 xxan0xx Prot0 - it should be sooo simple tho, if you goto www.novastor.com - I'm just trying to make the "newsletter" block editable on the backend interface
16:30 Prot0 animan: http://nopaste.org/p/aF4PuheJh
16:30 xxan0xx its all hardcoded into the template file, and when i take that portion of the code out it doesn't do anything other that leave the block empty :(
16:31 animan of course! thanks prot0 =D
16:31 Prot0 hehe np
16:32 Prot0 is maar goed dat ze niet op irc zirt
16:33 Prot0 hardcoded for the win :D
16:33 Prot0 talking about proper coding hehe
16:33 Prot0 though sometimes quick solutions are all there is
16:33 Prot0 :D
16:34 xxan0xx yeah i would like to kick the outsource team that did the template right in the stomach for how they set this up
16:35 xxan0xx zero documentation... custom made extentions.. .its just a nightmare
16:35 Prot0 hehehe
16:35 Prot0 did you check for security issues? :P
16:35 xxan0xx that was the first thing i did
16:35 xxan0xx :)
16:36 Prot0 hehe
16:36 xxan0xx I want to rename the typo3 directory so bad, but everytime I do it completely screws everything
16:36 Prot0 haha
16:36 Prot0 why would you want to do that?
16:37 maholtz|WORK @xxan0xx: perhaps there are some hints in the security cookbook?
16:37 xxan0xx just to add that extra layer of protection of unauthorized backend access
16:37 xxan0xx Security cookbook? -- where can i find this?
16:38 PiMB at typo3.org :)
16:38 Prot0 http://typo3.org/fileadmin/security-team/typo3_security_cookbook_v-0.5.pdf
16:38 Prot0 te be more precise
16:38 Prot0 :P
16:39 Nitjuh :P
16:39 xxan0xx thanks :P
16:39 xxan0xx I think i found my issue on that block tho.... I just didn't realize it
16:40 xxan0xx I have my content i wanted to replace that block in the "Border" section
16:41 xxan0xx when you have the Left|Normal|Right|Border content sections
16:42 xxan0xx The left and right are populated. but the Normal section isn't
16:42 xxan0xx and i just assumed that the content where i wanted it to land would be defined in the Border section
16:43 xxan0xx that sound like where i'm messing up at?
16:45 Prot0 lol
16:45 Prot0 i guess
16:45 Prot0 :D
16:45 xxan0xx lol i'm on the same page as you are with this
16:47 xxan0xx well here goes nothing :)
16:55 xxan0xx well that didn't work
16:55 xxan0xx LOL
16:56 xxan0xx Guess one positive tho, I found out where I can add content to the top
16:56 xxan0xx lmao
16:58 PiMB lol :)
17:00 xxan0xx If only i had a nice bottle of something to help me out
17:02 xxan0xx anyone have any reccomendations on what I should do from here :|
17:03 maholtz|WORK @xxan0xx: didnt follow - whats your problem?
17:04 xxan0xx If you goto www.novastor.com, the newsletter block in the bottom right corner is hardcoded into the template.html file
17:04 xxan0xx and it's not editable on the backend content editor
17:05 xxan0xx and when I take that chunk of code out, it takes the newsletter block out, but I can't get anything to go into that block
17:07 xxan0xx I thought it had to do something with where I had the content laid since I thought that "newsletter" block was going to be the "Border" content block on the backend
17:07 xxan0xx but I'm not sure it is. but I know the other content blocks do not populate it
17:20 Prot0 finally! weekend!
17:21 Prot0 im off
17:21 Prot0 :)
17:21 Prot0 bye
17:22 xxan0xx @maholtz|WORK - any ideas at all?
17:23 Sakoon_Mahool HI Evryone
17:23 xxan0xx hii
17:24 Sakoon_Mahool How can i call plugin function through php file
17:24 Lars_rds Hi
17:24 Sakoon_Mahool I am in php file i want to call a extenssion function
17:24 Sakoon_Mahool ?
17:25 Sakoon_Mahool or Can any one knows how to autologin user after activation link i am using frlogin plugin
17:26 Lars_rds I have an ext. there came with an error everytime i try to send with it (its an error about there missing something) how can i make it to send (mailfunction)
17:27 maholtz|WORK @xxan0xx: you have to set an marker or something - how did you get the content into the other containers?
17:28 xxan0xx It looks like - that is defining the middle container <!-- ###VIDEO### -->
17:28 xxan0xx the news container is hardcoded in there from what it looks like
17:29 xxan0xx <div class="newscontainer">
17:30 xxan0xx is that the trick is that the div class is what's defining that?
17:30 maholtz|WORK usually you take ###MARKER### or ids
17:31 maholtz|WORK do you use templaVoila?
17:31 xxan0xx I don't think so, thats one of the questions i've gotten back from an outside consulting firm is why we didn't use that
17:33 maholtz|WORK i do not use that, but sometimes it could be helpfull
17:33 maholtz|WORK depends on your site if it is usefull
17:33 maholtz|WORK most times i think not
17:36 xxan0xx So are you saying the <!--###VIDEO###--> is the marker?
17:39 Sakoon_Mahool ?
17:40 Sakoon_Mahool Plz help me
17:47 maholtz|WORK @xxan0xx: yes
17:47 maholtz|WORK i would suggest
17:48 xxan0xx awesome :)
17:48 xxan0xx Now just to figure out where the "markers" are defined
17:48 xxan0xx lol
17:54 yetihehe sorry for possibly asking what everyone asked already, but do someone know extent of the recent security breach?
17:54 chefan facts or rumors?
17:54 yetihehe anything
17:55 chefan fact is as stated in the mail that someone obtained access to the backend and used contained authentication information to gain access to other sites
17:56 chefan rumor is that this is due to low password security on the part of the user, the passwords are said to be kept md5 cyphered
17:57 chefan conclusion is (to me) that the whole security context regarding typo3 has to be considered breached until i can be sure it is not
17:58 yetihehe thanks for reply, i'm relieved a little :)
17:58 Denyerec The email said they'd relieved the TYpo3.org user database
17:58 chefan it was as well stated that the intruder is known and legal steps are in the process, but you probably already know that from the mail you will have received
17:58 Denyerec IE, all our account names and passwords
17:58 chefan relieved? oO
17:58 dinsdale07 I read the FE passwords were actually NOT stored as md5
17:58 chefan why the hell should you be relieved?
17:58 yetihehe terieved ;)
17:58 yetihehe retrieved
17:58 Denyerec regardless, a rainbow table will reverse MD5 in seconds.
17:58 Denyerec So whether they're MD5 or not is irrelevant.
17:59 chefan more or less true as well, indeed
17:59 psychomieze good thing is: I wanted to change all my passwords anyway, now I'm forced to do it :)
17:59 Denyerec fact is, if you use the same password for typo3.org as you use anywhere else, it would be wise to change.
17:59 Denyerec psychomieze - I am in the same boat :)
17:59 dinsdale07 not if I have a unique secure password to start with which is md5 encrypted - or am I wrong here ...
18:00 chefan i just sincerely hope that none of the typical extension developer was unprofessional enough to use the same password on typo3.org as in TER
18:00 Denyerec if you start with a large enough rainbow table
18:00 Denyerec then anything can be reversed.
18:00 dinsdale07 does some readup on google ...
18:00 Sakoon_Mahool Please i need help how can i automaticcally login using felogin
18:00 chefan dinsdale07: md5 is broken since a while, and it is not too difficult to decypher
18:01 chefan the bad thing is the association with personal data in this case
18:01 yetihehe still i don't think it can be reversed in seconds on typical hardware
18:02 Sakoon_Mahool I have open a php ppoup and that popup have a button on click of that button i want to login that user automatically
18:02 chefan what you think and what's possible are in wishful thinking land, yetihehe :)
18:03 chefan but i think it is not so bad to get reminded every once in a while that security is an illuion in everyday context
18:03 chefan security is very relative
18:04 chefan as i already stated today, for some people seeing a relevant lack of security in needing 2**69 operations to 2**80 oprations in breaking a cypher, sha1 is broken as well
18:05 chefan to me it is sufficiently secure, still in most contexts i work with
18:06 Phlogi hmm really crappy what happened to typo3.org, anyone has more information? I mean why weren't the pw's not stored in md5?
18:06 chefan i heard today they were
18:06 Phlogi ok
18:06 chefan but due to low security in password selection they could be broken for 1..* users
18:06 dinsdale07 they were straight up front with the security breach though which is good. Now it's up to me whether I care that someone might post fake comments under my name on reddit ... :-)
18:07 chefan and see above, a md5 password does not guarantee anything
18:07 chefan you should care about your good name :)
18:07 Phlogi chefan: not anything but much
18:08 Phlogi chefan: thats a point
18:11 yetihehe hmm, I looked at some papers and it looks like one can crack md5 hashes in minutes, but it depends on password, for [a-z]{7} it's in single seconds range
18:12 chefan Phlogi: if you typically use passwords like 7&7gaf4!pr#zAc, md5 might be fine for you
18:12 nkuttler yetihehe: that's guessing.
18:12 yetihehe worst thing I don't remember if I'm registered on typo3.org and I can't check it now :D
18:12 maholtz|WORK if you use an salt, there should be no problem with md5
18:12 Metatronico chefan: you mean using md5-passwords as password in the first place ... ;-)
18:12 Phlogi chefan: hmm was not using any special chars I tunk
18:12 yetihehe nkuttler: yes
18:13 chefan what was found out to be broken in md5 is that md5 allows qualified guessing
18:13 nkuttler who uses the same password more than once anyway :-)
18:13 Phlogi lol
18:13 yetihehe I ;)
18:13 Phlogi one pw to rule them all
18:13 yetihehe it's too complicated to remember 20+ passwords
18:13 nkuttler well, i use the same username, i'm not _that_ paranoid
18:13 chefan nkuttler: 99.99% of the average user, 98% of professionals. 95% of security experts, i would assume
18:14 nkuttler yetihehe: i have to remember one master password to search my db
18:14 nkuttler chefan: 95% of so-called security experts
18:14 chefan ok, if you want to be picky ;) agreed
18:14 dinsdale07 what will be the legal consequences for the person who caused the breach?
18:14 Denyerec yetihehe you don't reverse the MD5
18:14 nkuttler bad thing is that the whole industry is full of so-called anythings
18:15 chefan death sentence in the us i assume
18:15 Denyerec you generate a permutive table of all character combinations converted to MD5
18:15 Denyerec then just do a reverse lookup
18:15 chefan noble peace prize in norway
18:15 Denyerec generating the tables takes a little while, but not long for a modern computer.
18:15 Phlogi Denyerec: that would be the bruteforce method yes
18:15 Phlogi Hi Denyerec :)
18:15 Denyerec Lo :)
18:15 Denyerec Well, the thing is someone has already generated the "rainbow tables" for you :)
18:15 yetihehe I have once tried to encrypt some illegal files. Everything was ok, but before system reinstall I didn't copy keys for gpg, now I had 80gb of not even too random data... encryption can sometimes hurt you :D
18:16 Denyerec Hahaha
18:16 Denyerec *facepalm*
18:16 nkuttler oh well, i once did rm -rf /
18:16 Denyerec On your own system?
18:16 nkuttler as root
18:16 Denyerec *double facepalm*
18:16 maholtz|WORK @psychomieze: how do you do?
18:16 yetihehe denyerec: I now
18:16 yetihehe i know
18:16 Denyerec :)
18:17 chefan nkuttler: there are even more disgraceful things that could happen
18:17 chefan you could have done it just in /dev
18:17 nkuttler chefan: easily
18:17 chefan and smile until your workmate rebooted your machine exactly at that time just for the fun of it
18:17 psychomieze maholtz|WORK: do you know the white rabbit from alice -> the one that has no time? that's me ;) and you?
18:18 yetihehe I once removed libncurses on gentoo, without it even gcc doesn't work
18:18 nkuttler yetihehe: well, that's easy to fix
18:19 yetihehe not if you are still noob, like me then
18:19 nkuttler yetihehe: #gentoo i guess
18:20 maholtz|WORK @psychomieze: i think a little bit better:) but yet on work now... i have to reduce the different issues/projects i am involved in... :(
18:20 yetihehe how to go to #gentoo, if you don't have ncurses and only one computer? :D
18:21 yetihehe no ncurses == many many apps don't work
18:21 yetihehe but enough about ncurses
18:24 yetihehe I have one question if someone knows: if you use salt for md5, where do you store it? if salt is along with user in table and attacker have whole table, isn't it as secure as no salt?
18:24 maholtz|WORK nope
18:25 maholtz|WORK different is: the attacker cannot use md5 databases
18:25 Phlogi yetihehe: you using gentoo too?
18:25 yetihehe not anymore
18:26 Phlogi hehe ok
18:26 yetihehe now just plain ubuntu ;)
18:26 Phlogi yetihehe: did you switch?
18:26 Phlogi gg
18:26 Phlogi idiot :D
18:26 yetihehe why?
18:26 Phlogi yetihehe: they don't add openoffice3 to current release... I don't get that
18:27 yetihehe so what? I can still install it myself
18:27 Phlogi yetihehe: so yes the distri sucks... my opinion
18:27 Phlogi but thats the wrong channel for such discussions anyway
18:28 yetihehe I think you're right :)
18:28 Phlogi :)
18:32 dinsdale07 I have a question for the cal extension - If I want to create my own calendar view (like list, day, month), what do I have to do? I added some TS but this is not showing up in the Flexform.
18:32 maholtz|WORK @Phlogi: lets stay offtopic: what would the best distri ?
18:33 Phlogi maholtz|WORK: hehe, thats a good question... it depends on your needs! ... years ago I would have said gentoo... but not any longer, sad but true
18:34 Phlogi hi maholtz|WORK
18:34 Phlogi btw :D
18:37 maholtz|WORK @Phlogi: hi:) i used SuSE 9 for years and changed than to kubuntu. But i do not want to think about my os - i should run. and i think kubuntu is ok
18:38 maholtz|WORK btw.: i have to check if i have openoffice 3 .. do not know:)
18:40 nkuttler dinsdale07: what do you mean, own view? cal comes with day, month etc
18:41 dinsdale07 I think ubuntu is a great choice if you want to run server and desktop on the same distro. + commercial and free Versions are the same.
18:42 dinsdale07 nkuttler, I'm using the extension seminars with cal and want to create my own view for a bespoke search view.
18:42 nkuttler ah, no idea
18:43 Phlogi maholtz|WORK: hmm yes.. I started with suse years ago... but now I think that opensuse is better than kubuntu... I have a lot of problems with kubunut on my gf laptop
18:43 Phlogi atm I would recommend debian maybe :)
18:44 nkuttler no, but on my nslu2
18:47 Phlogi hehe
19:22 chefan Phlogi: one linux distro is as bad as any other (or good, depending on taste) ;)
19:23 chefan it's usually just te question which one switches first to a broken kernel :D
19:23 Phlogi chefan: lol ok seeing it that way only makes sense
19:24 chefan he isn't probably REALLY using debian everywhere
19:24 chefan the only os known to run on toasters and mixers is netBSD of course
19:27 chefan maholtz|WORK: the answer to the best distro/os is found on alt.sysadmin.recovery faq. every os sucks, just depends on the Lovelaces and for what purpos it sucks most (or least)
19:27 maholtz|WORK so, without any os i would be fine....
19:28 chefan well, actually that is not so far from the truth :D
19:29 chefan but let's imagine you don't have a choice if you have to work with computers ;)
19:29 chefan you just have to pick the one that sucks least for your purposes
19:29 maholtz|WORK that will never happens i think
19:30 maholtz|WORK instead of an computer, i could use an telephone i guess:)
19:31 chefan hmm, call me a dinosaur, but i tend to call telephones that can do the job you probably have in mind ultrasubcompactcomputers with limited telephone functionality
19:32 chefan i remember asking for a business cell phone a couple of years ago, and the guy in the phone shop started a speech about how to take pictures and upload them directly to the internet and crap
19:33 maholtz|WORK lol
19:33 chefan when i stopped him and told him i was more interested in thngs like adress management, signal strength and voice quality he sort of threw an exception
19:34 chefan i used the moment to punish him with sarcasm of the "you might not know, but there are still old fashioned people who actually use cell phones to talk to other people"
19:34 chefan kind
19:34 maholtz|WORK did he understand?
19:34 chefan to be honest, no
19:34 chefan he started with "but with the new multimedia plan of...."
19:35 maholtz|WORK funny
19:35 chefan i can't tell you what came after that, i just turned around and left in mid sentence
19:36 maholtz|WORK hehe
19:36 maholtz|WORK i have to go now
19:36 maholtz|WORK bye
19:36 chefan l8ters
19:48 nkuttler chefan: yeah, i don't run debian on my bike. i run it on things that i perceive as computers.
19:48 nkuttler which doesn't include phones
19:56 chefan phlogi assumed that. i was talking about toasters
19:57 chefan and technically a toaster and a computer are quite similar
19:57 chefan both are stateful heating devices
19:57 Phlogi lol
20:04 Best Hello, I got a new typo3 source. I go to the Install Tool and when I click on "Database Analyzer" I get page not found error. must be something with the server settings, but what exactly??
20:04 nkuttler Best: check the server logs?
20:05 Best hm no ... didnt expect an entry there
20:05 ckoehler where else?
20:06 ckoehler server error -> check server error log :)
20:09 Best i just checked the apache error log, but no entry for this time
20:14 xxan0xx anyone work with a TYPO3 dev company name Arxia Group?
20:22 ries xxan0xx: I never did hear of them
20:24 xxan0xx is there an actual TYPO3 contractor that is timely and can manage a decent workload?
20:26 xxan0xx i've been running into the issue where all the good people are independant and aren't quite structured enough to take on a heavy workload :(
20:29 ries xxan0xx: I know a dutch company that can do the work
20:30 ries I also know a person in the USA...
20:30 ries or company that is...
20:32 xxan0xx what's the us company as I'm located in california
20:32 xxan0xx working overseas is kind of a pain, but doable
20:34 ries I am more then happy to go to california :)
20:36 xxan0xx lol hey our office is only 30 minutes from malibu :)
20:40 ries Malibu is fine aswell :)
20:49 xxan0xx Hey if i have a content defined in the border block on the backend is this this marker i need to use
20:49 xxan0xx <!--###CONTENT_BORDER### START-->
20:49 xxan0xx in the template i mean
21:02 xxan0xx anyone know where i can get a list of all the wireframe marker definitions
21:02 andreasbalzer2 hi alltogether! Long time no see.
21:03 xxan0xx howdy
21:03 andreasbalzer2 Can someone tell me whether it is possible to allow FE to one user only?
21:04 xxan0xx like a private login page?
21:04 andreasbalzer2 no. sry I have written it badly.. I'd like to create a user who cannot access BE
21:05 andreasbalzer2 but others should be able to
21:05 xxan0xx so like a reviewer role basically/
21:06 andreasbalzer2 something like that. I need accounts that are totally DUA compatible.
21:06 andreasbalzer2 so those users can only create contents within draft workspaces, etc
21:07 andreasbalzer2 frontend_edit_only seems to be an extension that did the login trick with T3 some time ago but doesn't look compatible to the current release
21:08 xxan0xx yeah i don't see a way to do it
21:08 andreasbalzer2 :-/
21:16 chefan there used to be an extension to connect a fron end user to BE user rights
21:17 chefan to my mind, that basic principle should still work, though i am not sure if the extension still works
21:23 chefan and he left already. when i just wanted to offer an alternative :D
23:06 HardPhuck guys which unix platform would be the best choice for Typo3 (easy and painless upgrade, fast mysql)
23:08 chefan FreeBSD
23:08 chefan personal opinion
23:10 chefan if you feel more like linux, debian is a decent server choice too
23:13 HardPhuck thanx
23:15 HardPhuck we have fedora core for one of our sites and it's working awfully slow
23:15 chefan hm, i always thought of fedora core more of a desktop distro
23:16 chefan where i work we usually use centos for the server stuff
23:16 HardPhuck i never used it before, dunno why client decided to go with it
23:16 HardPhuck especially when this is a 8 core, 16GB machine
23:16 chefan if the client is into fedora core, you might take a look at centos
23:17 chefan both redhat based, just that centos is intended for servers
23:17 chefan so on the shell they are quite similar
23:18 HardPhuck well the client asked me for an advice on the matter
23:18 HardPhuck i have used FreeBSD before so i recommened it too
23:18 chefan evil people (like me) claim that centos is not much more than s/RHEL/CentOs/g
23:18 HardPhuck but had to ask here to be sure
23:19 HardPhuck cliend also asked me if it would be better to used RHEL because of the support
23:19 chefan i think you can't be wrong with freebsd
23:19 chefan what support?
23:19 chefan if he wants to throw money in random directions, i could offer mine
23:19 HardPhuck well if you buy a license then you get some support don't you?
23:20 chefan if he is so keen on spending money for nothing, he should opt for windows servers
23:20 chefan :D
23:20 HardPhuck he has most of his servers on windows
23:20 HardPhuck :)
23:21 chefan a decent set up unix ampp does not need so much maintenance
23:21 HardPhuck they are preferred partner or something like that
23:21 HardPhuck i agree
23:21 chefan he is quite well off with some trustworthy freelance admin if he does not want to keep an admin inhouse
23:22 HardPhuck he has one in house, mostly windows servers with VMware ESX
23:22 HardPhuck certified on both
23:22 HardPhuck but for typo3 unix server is a better choice i would say
23:22 chefan nah, too much trouble to make him unlearn all the crap they put into himon M$ certifications and teach him admin business for real men
23:23 HardPhuck lol
23:24 chefan hmm... opensolaris could be an option too
23:24 chefan there should be some really good unemployed admins around since the vodaphone fusion
23:24 HardPhuck well, i kinda like FBSD because of ports (easy upgradeable)
23:24 chefan make build world :)
23:25 HardPhuck dont give me too much options here lol
23:25 HardPhuck you'll get me confused :)
23:25 chefan ok, stick to freeBSD
23:26 chefan on netcraft, the current leader in uptime is a freebsd system
23:26 chefan and it's a porn site, so i assume they do have their share of attacks
23:26 HardPhuck yea i'll do that
23:33 snoy_ms test...
23:42 ries test
23:42 ries chefan: who wants to attac a porn site?? Don't we want to have that ALWAYS UP!!!! :D
23:43 ries gives UP time a totally different meaning I guess....
23:43 ries may be they give that freeBSD server viagra....

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