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00:10 s-andersen Anyone here knows something about the GIFBUILDER boundary box?
00:56 dokma anyone on?
04:14 chefan mol
08:20 FloLeBlanc hi all
08:23 Awillys FloLeBlanc: hi FloLeBlanc
08:23 FloLeBlanc hi awillys
08:35 FloLeBlanc how are you? :)
09:05 GeorgesAbitbol hi all
09:08 FloLeBlanc hi georges
09:40 m4rtijn hi all
09:43 teppi|work good morning m4rtijn
09:47 Phlogi hey hello :)
09:49 m4rtijn sup dudes
10:10 Phlogi is there already a ts eclipse plugin?
10:14 teppi|work its still in development i think
10:15 teppi|work i was looking for it a month ago or so .. and i only found a plugin which allowed syntax highlighting for TS in eclips
10:17 teppi|work this is the external editor: http://typo3.area42.de/
10:17 teppi|work pspad is used as editor and the TS stuff is realized as external plugin
10:17 teppi|work has some nice features
10:27 m4rtijn any of u guys german?
10:27 m4rtijn phlogi.. right?
10:39 tf hi
10:40 teppi|work i'm german too, m4rtijn
10:42 tf i have a problem with my RTE. when i use a <hr /> tag before a link, in the frontend typo3 makes <link> instead of a <a>. without the <hr /> tag, all is correct.
10:44 tf when the <hr /> is inside a <p> tag, typo3 shows the correct <a> tag in the frontend. but this is not valid. outside the <p> tag, typo3 makes the <link> tags.
10:44 tf can someone test this for me please. :-) ?
10:47 teppi|work it seems that typo isnt passing your content through the rte parser function if you insert tags manually .. but im not sure how why ..
10:48 teppi|work normally the tags should be deplayed as html entities afaik
10:48 tf i dont insert it manually. i have the button for <hr />
10:48 teppi|work ah ok
10:48 teppi|work maybe your rte configuration is false .. i think
10:48 tf but its only when the hr is before the link. when a hr tag comes after a link. all is correct.
10:50 teppi|work hm .. sounds weird
10:50 tf can you test it for me? if this happens too?
10:51 tf when i go to the html view in rte. the links are correct. but not in the frontend.
10:56 Phlogi Do you have an idea how to integrate a extension selection menu, into an existing menu in a site?
11:03 teppi|work tf .. i tested it on typo3 4.2.1 and it works fine before and after a link
11:03 tf hmmm
11:04 tf the <hr /> stand outside of <p>? is the page valid?
11:05 teppi|work tf> the <hr /> stand outside of <p> yes
11:06 teppi|work is the page valid? no ..
11:06 teppi|work but i think its mainly because of other errors
11:06 tf ok
11:06 tf thanks
11:07 tf then i dont know why i have the errors
11:09 tf can you give me your rte config? i have typo3 4.2.1 too.
11:15 teppi|work mom
11:16 tf wait a moment
11:17 tf ok
11:17 teppi|work you still need it?
11:17 teppi|work tf?
11:18 tf yes please
11:19 tf when i disable the rte and write it manually and then enable again the rte. then all is correct. hmn...
11:19 teppi|work http://nopaste.php-quake.net/44376
11:20 tf ok thanks. i will try it.
11:22 tf :-(
11:23 tf doesnt work for me
11:26 teppi|work :-/
11:26 teppi|work no idea sry
11:27 tf ok thanks.
11:27 tf i dont understand this.
11:28 Recnelis Is anyone using Sr_feuserregister and fe_login?
11:28 FloLeBlanc is there actually a fix for typo3 4.0.9 and firefox 3?
11:28 daKmoR howto update the index with the console?
11:32 Phlogi Do you have an idea how to integrate a extension selection menu, into an existing menu in a site?
11:33 teppi|work daKmoR, http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/crawler/2.1.0/
11:33 m4rtijn FloLeBlanc - I think there is some extension which should repair it..
11:34 m4rtijn FloLeBlanc - also there is some trick.. using the "back" button
11:34 Stach hi all
11:34 m4rtijn hi
11:34 teppi|work Phlogi, make the menu a COA
11:34 teppi|work COA.10 is your HMENU
11:34 teppi|work COA.20 = USER_INT
11:35 FloLeBlanc m4rtijn: thx and hi
11:35 teppi|work COA.20 =< plugin.phlogis_plugin_pi1
11:35 teppi|work or something like that
11:38 Recnelis Doesn't anyone use the fe_login :/
11:38 kraftb hi !
11:38 kraftb does anyone know a newsgroup regarding T3CON ?
11:39 kraftb i found only typo3.tycon3 ?
11:46 daKmoR teppi|work thx for the link... but I thought more about the reference index...
11:46 Denyerec ROARK
11:46 teppi|work daKmoR, Manual -> Read online?
11:47 teppi|work oh i read false false
11:48 teppi|work sry
11:48 teppi|work forget what i said
11:48 daKmoR :p
11:48 teppi|work :-)
11:52 FloLeBlanc can someone tell me how to automatically apply a .patch file from the t3 bugtracker?
12:02 tf teppi|work: http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=5896
12:03 Stach i got a problem with my first extension
12:03 Stach i tried to realize an fe login ...
12:04 Stach but i can only check the typed data while i am logged in the backend
12:04 Stach why ?
12:04 Stach i used exec_SELECTquery
12:04 Stach someone got an idea ?
12:09 Stach do you rather know what i mean ?
12:09 Stach :)
12:09 m4rtijn whats the plural of status :p
12:09 m4rtijn ?
12:09 m4rtijn statusses
12:10 Stach states
12:11 m4rtijn not spectacular enough.. but thanks ;)
12:11 Stach hehe np
12:12 Stach can you help me with my problem ? :D
12:12 m4rtijn actually its even less spectacular..
12:12 m4rtijn plural of status is status
12:12 m4rtijn :)
12:14 Stach dict.leo.org says => states pl.
12:14 Stach but its a german english dictionary ... dont know if it's something for you ;)
12:17 m4rtijn im using it
12:17 m4rtijn i've been reading the forum entries below that
12:17 m4rtijn in which most ppl say its status.. but I think states sounds better..
12:18 Stach :)
12:31 adamspi How do I change this value using typoscript?
12:31 adamspi ['TCA']['tt_news']['columns']['news_files']['config']['max_size'] = 200000;
12:32 adamspi anyone please?
12:35 daKmoR is it possible to use the bottom edit/search with more than 4 level?
12:37 Phlogi teppi|working: ah of course... good idea... and my extension just gives back what?
12:37 Phlogi teppi|working: menu items?
12:38 m4rtijn adamspi - u dont - edit extTables.php in /typo3conf
12:39 Phlogi can anyone recommend me a treebased category implementation of/in an extension to use? The one in tt_news is so big and I can't get it working
12:40 tf someone knows a solution for this bug: http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=5896 ?
12:43 adamspi m4rtijn: how can I do it without editing the extTables.php?
12:44 adamspi m4rtijn: is it possible using typoscript?
12:45 m4rtijn afaik - no
12:46 m4rtijn adamspi - but why wouldnt u just edit it?
12:48 Recnelis When adding a field to Sr_feregister - Should I extend exsisting tables or make a new db table?
12:49 dinsdale07 Hello everybody, has anyone noticed problems with the latest Ext: irfaq and TYPO3 4.2.1
12:50 dinsdale07 Sympthoms: JS errors and no FAQ output at all?
12:55 m4rtijn dinsdale07 - nope and I used it with 2 4.2.1 installations
12:55 m4rtijn hmm , not sure if its the latest release of irfaq though
12:56 m4rtijn dinsdale07 - which irfaq version
12:57 teppi|working Phlogi, depends on what you wanna do ..
12:57 m4rtijn dinsdale07 - i have 1.0.2
12:57 dinsdale07 Hi m4rtijn, how are you. I tried 1.0.2 and 1.1.0
12:57 m4rtijn hmm, I have no troubles here: http://www.dw-christophorus.de/chronik.html
12:58 m4rtijn its 4.2.1 with 1.0.2
12:58 teppi|working Phlogi, 1 way is to render the whole html directly in the plugin .. another way is just to customize the ts in the plugin and render as one hmenu object
12:59 teppi|working for instance you could use tmenu.special = list
12:59 teppi|working then you could make something like tmenu.special.value = 1,2,3,4,5 .. and so on
12:59 teppi|working in the plugin
12:59 dinsdale07 :m4rtijn ok, let me try 1.0.2 again and remove 1.1.0. Nice layout for the site btw.
13:00 m4rtijn thx, theres still some small errors.. to much padding at the right side for example
13:02 dinsdale07 yes, but I like the round corners. nested divs right?
13:02 m4rtijn yes.. hehe a lot of nesting
13:06 nkuttler dinsdale07: well, there's like a gazillion techniques for rounded corners. depends on your needs
13:08 adamspi lol
13:09 adamspi I was away for a while.
13:11 nkuttler m4rtijn: if that's your site i'd add a html { min-height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px; }
13:11 adamspi m4rtijn: if I update tt_news, my settings would be overwritten... so I would like to know how to change this code into typoscript. ['TCA']['tt_news']['columns']['news_files']['config']['max_size'] = 200000;
13:12 m4rtijn nkuttler why?
13:12 nkuttler m4rtijn: your whole layout shifts to the left or right depending on if there's a scrollbar
13:13 nkuttler m4rtijn: see start vs spenden
13:14 m4rtijn i know.
13:14 nkuttler ah, alright then
13:14 m4rtijn ah, so u mean theres a scrollbar all the time
13:14 nkuttler yeah
13:14 m4rtijn but min-height doesnt work in all browsers.. does it?
13:14 nkuttler this should work in ie5+ iirc
13:15 nkuttler let me check
13:15 m4rtijn I think ie doesnt
13:16 dinsdale07 hm - no luck with my FAQ: http://berlingot.homeip.net/index.php?id=27
13:16 m4rtijn yeah, ie doesnt.. at least not ie6
13:16 m4rtijn http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_dim_min-height
13:16 dinsdale07 just brings up javascript errors,
13:16 m4rtijn dinsdale07 - did u include the static - template stuff from irfaq ?
13:17 dinsdale07 yes, in the root template. I have the feeling it might collide with another extension.
13:17 nkuttler hm, doesn't ie always show the scrollbar?
13:17 m4rtijn nkuttler - nope.. min height just doesnt work there
13:19 nkuttler m4rtijn: should work with height as well, no min-height needed
13:20 FloLeBlanc m4rtijn: thx for the hint, the patch in the t3 bugtracker fixed the FF3 problem with typo3 4.0.9 for me
13:21 Recnelis Has anyone in here EVER tried to add a extra field to sr_feuser_register?
13:24 FloLeBlanc recnelis: yes
13:24 FloLeBlanc sucessfully
13:25 FloLeBlanc did this a long time ago with an old version though, should be easier than harder however :)
13:26 Recnelis FloLeBlanc: Then please allow me to pick ur brain - U added the field via kickstarter and extended the table fe_users right?
13:27 FloLeBlanc recnelis: correct, I created sr_feuser_register_flbext
13:27 FloLeBlanc with the kickstarter - correct
13:28 FloLeBlanc extend existing tables tab - which table : fe_users (frontend users) then field names and infos
13:29 Recnelis Cool
13:29 Recnelis Then you add the new field to the template
13:29 Recnelis Which I can see.. but what about the labels? Cuz I'm apparantly doing something wrong, cuz the labels aren't working...
13:30 Recnelis I add them to my TS in "Setup" like this ->
13:30 Recnelis plugin.tx_srfeuserregister_pi1._LOCAL_LANG.dk.ean = EAN
13:30 Recnelis Where ean is my new field name..
13:30 FloLeBlanc I'll check my ts
13:34 FloLeBlanc plugin.tx_srfeuserregister_pi1._LOCAL_LANG.de.missing_tx_srfeuserregisterflbext_accept_privacy_policy = Du mußt den Datenschutzrichtlinien zustimmen um Dich zu registrieren.
13:34 FloLeBlanc for an error message f.e.
13:35 FloLeBlanc plugin.tx_srfeuserregister_pi1._LOCAL_LANG.DE.tx_srfeuserregisterflbext_receive_voucher => the prefix seems to be the extension name in my version.. sorry it has been some time not sure :)
13:35 |Phlogi| teppi|working: yes ok.... and you would do that in a seperate piX thing?
13:35 |Phlogi| teppi|working: or can I tell it to just call a specific function in my ext?
13:45 Stach hey folks, i got a nooby question
13:45 Stach how can i create a frontend user ?!
13:46 Stach i cant find it
13:47 Stach only for backend
13:47 FloLeBlanc stach: if you use sr_feuser_register you will have a folder for the users defined. go there and to the list module
13:48 Stach what is sr_feuser_register ?
13:48 FloLeBlanc frontend user registration module
13:48 Stach hmm
13:48 Stach but it isnt an extension, right ?
13:48 FloLeBlanc try the list module and "new" and then look if website user is an option
13:50 Stach no
13:50 Stach there's no option for website user
13:51 FloLeBlanc then I don't know if it is possible to add website users without any user extension hmm
13:51 FloLeBlanc sorry
13:52 Stach thanks .. but in the database is a table called "fe_users"
13:52 Stach so i think there should be a way
13:52 FloLeBlanc hmm then the list module should be able to add one :)
13:52 Stach hmm
13:52 FloLeBlanc I thought list - create new record - could do it
13:54 Stach hmm
13:54 Stach i dont see such a option
13:55 Stach only for differant extensions and sites / pagecontent
13:55 untouch hello
13:55 m4rtijn hi
13:55 Stach ahhh
13:56 Stach no i found a option - but only for backend users :(
13:56 m4rtijn stach - "an option"
13:56 m4rtijn :)
13:56 untouch i got tt_news working now and i want to change some styles of the templates i added for the list and the single
13:56 Stach thx m4rtijn :D
13:56 m4rtijn yw
13:56 Stach hehe
13:56 untouch i changed the head in the templates and created the link to the new stylesheet file but it wont work
13:56 teppi|working |Phlogi|, http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/4.1.0/view/8/11/
13:57 teppi|working look at userfunction
13:57 m4rtijn untouch - u dont have to edit the template - normally
13:57 m4rtijn untouch - u can just overwrite the default css
13:57 teppi|working you can also include code which is returning an array with page records
13:57 untouch wich is the default css
13:57 untouch and where is it
13:57 |Phlogi| teppi|working: ah so I call just a userfunction from inside my plugin that "extends" an existing menu, right? :)
13:57 m4rtijn untouch - do you have firebug installed?
13:58 untouch i downloaded 3 test templates and added them but there is no css file
13:58 untouch yea
13:58 teppi|working hm no .. this way you just call the userfunction from TS
13:58 m4rtijn untouch - just use firebug to find the classes of the stuff u'd like to style..
13:58 m4rtijn untouch - then style them
13:59 untouch i know the classes
13:59 untouch but i dont get it where the css file is supposed to be
13:59 m4rtijn untouch - you use youre own css file
13:59 untouch as i said i created one
13:59 untouch but it wont take any changes
13:59 untouch i changed the head in the template of course to my own css file
14:00 m4rtijn untouch - no need
14:00 untouch one sec
14:00 m4rtijn untouch - do you have this line in your root-template-setup: page.stylesheet = fileadmin/templates/css/my_style.css
14:01 untouch oh you mean i should add the styles for my tt_news templates into my css file of my main typo3 site?
14:02 m4rtijn yep
14:02 untouch i wanted to use a different one but right i could try that at first thx ;)
14:02 m4rtijn untouch - to keep it in some order - I normally use the commented line like this:
14:02 m4rtijn -> /* -------------------- TTNEWS ----------------- */
14:02 m4rtijn in css
14:03 untouch yea
14:03 m4rtijn so u have a general overview later
14:03 untouch i do that too for header and content and stuff thx
14:04 Stach FloLeBlanc - i found it :)
14:04 Stach first you have to create a sysfolder
14:04 Stach and in this sysfolder you can create a website user
14:07 untouch hm doesnt work tho
14:07 untouch doh
14:07 untouch u know in my template news_list.html for exmample
14:07 untouch is the following
14:08 untouch http://paste.phlogi.net/-61dfd4dcad/
14:09 untouch its the stuff for my main new overview site
14:09 untouch whats the <link href="res/tt_news_stylesheet.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> in the head for
14:09 untouch i dont get it
14:10 untouch and where do all the stylesheets currently used in this file come from
14:10 m4rtijn its from the extension.. they come from that file
14:10 m4rtijn its somewhere in the /typo3conf/ext/tt_news/ folder
14:11 untouch ah ok
14:11 m4rtijn but u dont need to worry about those..
14:11 m4rtijn neither change them in any way..
14:11 untouch now i added .a {text-decoration:none;} into my main css file
14:11 m4rtijn cause if u update tt_news this will be overwritten
14:11 untouch but nothing happened
14:11 m4rtijn cause .a = wrong
14:11 |Phlogi| In my extension, when using list view the default shown field is [uid] only. How can I change that to show the title for example?
14:12 FloLeBlanc apart from that a later classname.a{text-decoration:underline;} will overwrite that :)
14:12 m4rtijn either its a { } or .someclass a { }
14:12 untouch oh yes thx ;D
14:12 untouch how noobish
14:12 untouch works now thx
14:12 m4rtijn I wouldnt recommend a{}
14:12 m4rtijn cause then all links will be styled
14:12 untouch yea i kno
14:13 untouch just wanted to try out
14:13 untouch thx bud
14:13 m4rtijn yw
14:13 |Phlogi| hmm must be somewhere in interface :)
14:14 HardPhuck hey ppl
14:14 Stach hey dudes ... i got a problem! i wrote a login script for the frontend ... but it's only working while i am logged in in the backend
14:14 Stach some1 can tell me why ?
14:15 m4rtijn Stach - u made an error
14:15 m4rtijn :)
14:15 Stach wow, thanks :D
14:15 m4rtijn im always this helpfull - so no problem dude
14:15 Stach no for sure .. i used functions from the pi_base
14:15 Stach maybe because of this ?
14:16 Stach hmm
14:17 Stach no extension developer here ? very sad :(
14:18 m4rtijn there are some here.. maybe they're afk
14:19 Stach :(
14:19 m4rtijn but.. cant u check the source of similar extensions..
14:19 m4rtijn how they do it
14:19 Stach lol i installed "felogin" ... but i dont understand it ... it's to complex for me at the moment
14:19 HardPhuck hm, how can one add own fields to fe_users table
14:20 Stach its my first extension that i wrote
14:21 HardPhuck guys, anyone here that is using tt_products
14:21 m4rtijn HardPhuck - hell no
14:21 m4rtijn :P
14:21 HardPhuck why not
14:21 m4rtijn I have it somewhere on a dead page..
14:21 m4rtijn cause it sucks
14:22 m4rtijn HardPhuck - I'd recommend u check out magento if you seriously want to have a online shop system
14:23 HardPhuck well i need something compatible with typo3
14:23 m4rtijn why
14:23 m4rtijn :p
14:24 HardPhuck because the thing wont be just online shop but more
14:24 HardPhuck magento you said,...i'll check it out
14:25 HardPhuck do you have some personal experience with it?
14:25 m4rtijn with magento?
14:25 Stach is there any official typo3 forum ?
14:25 tofirius hello @ all
14:26 m4rtijn very basic - but just2b loves it and I think his opinion is quite well founded
14:26 tofirius hi m4rtijn
14:26 m4rtijn hi tofi
14:26 m4rtijn Stach - afaik no
14:27 m4rtijn Stach - typo3forum.net is nice - if u speak german
14:27 Stach yes i do
14:27 tofirius & google translation doesn't help much
14:27 tofirius :P
14:28 HardPhuck ah i'll talk to just2b then
14:28 m4rtijn just check the website .. there is also a live - playground
14:28 HardPhuck cuz i need a good web shop for my next project
14:29 tofirius anyone get this before? "parse_url(http://) [function.parse-url]: Unable to parse URL"
14:31 HardPhuck now back to this project, i need to add some custom fields to feuser data, what is the best way to do that
14:33 Stach assin - that doesn't work
14:33 Stach sorry
14:34 Nekdy anyone has idea why my text/image doesn't create <div class="csc-textpic-clear"></div> at the end anymore? :)
14:34 FloLeBlanc HardPhuck: create a custom extension that extends the fe_users table
14:34 HardPhuck ah, my worst fears :)
14:35 HardPhuck i dont know how to write php
14:35 FloLeBlanc you don't need to write a single line
14:35 FloLeBlanc the kickstarter wizard will help you :)
14:35 HardPhuck ah then i will try it, thank you for the tip
14:36 FloLeBlanc you can check out the manual for sr_feuser_registration which describes the process of extending the table, you just stop at the template changes if you don't use sr_feuser_register
14:36 FloLeBlanc hardphuck: yw
14:37 HardPhuck is it wrong if i install phpmyadmin and just add the fields manually?
14:38 FloLeBlanc HardPhuck: to be honest, I don't have a clue. I think the kickstarter version is good because you can also enter field descriptions in different languages which are sometimes used by extensions (like sr_feuser_register)
14:38 HardPhuck ah then the kickstarter way will be best, because i have to manage multilang
14:38 tofirius_ anyone get this before? "parse_url(http://) [function.parse-url]: Unable to parse URL"
14:44 JohPie lolli__: ?
14:48 Stach hi ries
14:48 Stach maybe you can help me with my extension developing problem :)
14:49 Stach i wrote a simple login extension (just for learning)
14:49 Stach now i got the problem that i only works while i am logged in in the backend
14:50 Stach i found out that i can't read the "$this->piVars" Array
14:50 Stach when i'm logged out
14:50 Stach someone can tell me another way to store data from a form ?
14:52 m4rtijn get / post
14:53 Stach i want to use the typo framework
14:56 Stach lol i don't get it ... the standard search form which is created by kickstartet works always
14:56 Stach -.-
14:59 m4rtijn lunch bbl
15:03 Recnelis Stach: Did u make a FE plugin or BE plugin?
15:16 Stach 2(Recnelis2): FE plugin
15:17 Recnelis Stach: There shouldn't be anything preventing the usage of the pi_vars while ur not logged into the BE
15:17 Recnelis I used the pivars to save data..
15:17 Stach well but i get an output of the value while i am logged in .. in contrast to not logged in
15:18 |Phlogi| anyone knows the best way to create a pagebrowser in an extension? And a search and sort functionality? Maybe someone could recommend a small and well documented extension to look that up
15:19 Stach 2(|Phlogi|2): well if you create a frontend plugin with the kickstarter you got that basic functions
15:21 Stach or take a look into class.tslib_pibase.php
15:24 Stach Recnelis, can you tell me what "$this->internal" is for ?
15:24 |Phlogi| Stach: I don't think so
15:24 Stach ok :)
15:25 Stach lol, its documentet |-( -> Used internally for general storage of values between methods
15:25 |Phlogi| but what good extension would you recommend, that displays records in fe and can sort them and uses a pageBrowser?
15:27 Stach sorry i don't know ... you do it with the kickstarter as i said
15:27 Stach there you can define which data you want to store
15:27 Stach and it actually does what you want
15:27 Stach you got a search, a list and i think you can sort
15:28 Stach and you got a pagebrowser :)
15:34 m4rtijn re
15:34 Stach wb ;-)
15:34 m4rtijn ty
15:46 m4rtijn dumdidum
16:01 pulponair hi there
16:07 martijn hmm
16:07 martijn did i miss something?
16:07 martijn :p
16:16 FloLeBlanc martijn: 4 apes who drove a firetruck came through
16:17 FloLeBlanc :)
16:19 pulponair FloLeBlanc: hi
16:19 FloLeBlanc hi pulponair, how are you
16:19 pulponair FloLeBlanc: quite good
16:21 pulponair FloLeBlanc: what about you?
16:22 FloLeBlanc pulponair: quite good, thank you
16:25 m4rtijn damnit - every time something exiting happens here i miss it
16:25 m4rtijn last time when al gore visited and talked about nuclear power..
16:25 m4rtijn now the monkeys
16:32 FloLeBlanc m4rtijn: lol
16:42 m4rtijn hmm, is menu also english?
16:42 m4rtijn like in TMENU
16:42 FloLeBlanc ?
16:43 m4rtijn translating wiki docs.. but i wonder if I have to write navigation instead of menu
16:59 FloLeBlanc menu is also used for a command overview I think you can use "menu"
17:04 GeorgesAbitbol Could anyone help me on "toggle borders" function in rte. the function does nothing. No js errors and no css added.
17:05 GeorgesAbitbol I searched for weeks and still notginh
17:14 m4rtijn my poor brain...
17:15 m4rtijn I translated ca. 40 pages from german to english.. for the typo3 community
17:16 chefan where?
17:16 m4rtijn http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Ts45min
17:16 m4rtijn I havent proof-read it yet.. will do tomorow
17:16 chefan forget the question. i know of no country where any given developer could make things worse by replacing the current president.
17:16 chefan you have my vote
17:17 chefan the question was about presidency
17:17 m4rtijn aah..
17:17 m4rtijn typo3 president of course
17:17 m4rtijn :)
17:17 chefan lol
17:17 m4rtijn but.. i agree with you
17:17 chefan ah, so you plan to charge 150¬ for a question how you are next?
17:18 m4rtijn I could...
17:18 chefan during my studies we had a rather controversial professor
17:18 chefan he rated professionals according to their value for mankind
17:18 chefan the engineer (in a wider sense) was at the top of the list
17:19 m4rtijn haha
17:19 Sebek__ Hello, can anyone tell me where I can finde fh_library 0.0.20 for the latest tt_product ?
17:19 chefan and politicians, clergy and military rated somewhere below slugs and vermin
17:19 m4rtijn Sebek__ - afaik you can choose versions in the ext. manager
17:19 m4rtijn was he serious about that
17:19 m4rtijn ?
17:19 chefan yes
17:19 m4rtijn lol
17:20 chefan and his argumentation made sense
17:20 m4rtijn what a twat
17:20 chefan i think it was an attitude born of frustration
17:20 m4rtijn well.. yeah on a totally utopian based worl-view
17:20 m4rtijn it would
17:21 m4rtijn but.. we dont live in utopia
17:21 chefan well, it was a moral rating
17:21 chefan it did not imply that the world we live in would give the highest life forms the highest credit
17:21 m4rtijn gotcha..
17:21 chefan it was more like a model like it should be
17:21 m4rtijn heh.. what did u study?
17:22 chefan elecrotechnics
17:22 m4rtijn hehe
17:22 Sebek__ How I can change the version in the ext. manager, to me it seems as the 0.0.19 is the latest version
17:22 chefan not sure what the title is now
17:22 chefan they cut down all the studies down to that bachelor/master crap now
17:22 m4rtijn hehe
17:24 chefan i was too lazy for electrotechnics and too ethical to remain in trade, so i got back to system architecture
17:25 m4rtijn but chefan - i nice example - since SAP installed a marketing dude as CEO instead of a programmer.. the stocks have fallen over 10% :)
17:25 m4rtijn a nice example *
17:26 chefan reminds me of mr. fischer again. "managers are leeches"
17:26 chefan they suck ridiculous amounts of productivity out of any given system
17:27 chefan but the spirit infests development as well
17:27 chefan look at software licenses
17:28 chefan i am so over all the silly licenses that i am working on my own
17:28 chefan call it flip-license, "for less ignorant people"
17:29 Denyerec chefan, congratulations
17:29 Denyerec For having a decent world view.
17:29 chefan did we talk about that topic recently, Denyerec ?
17:29 Denyerec <chefan> i was too lazy for electrotechnics and too ethical to remain in trade,
17:29 Denyerec :)
17:30 chefan lol
17:30 m4rtijn hehe
17:30 chefan heh, that's what happens to people
17:30 Denyerec http://www.denyerec.co.uk/posts/291
17:30 Denyerec ;)
17:30 chefan well, in electrotechnics lazyness is a downside, in system architecture it's a gift
17:30 Denyerec hhahaha
17:30 m4rtijn hehe
17:31 chefan i totally agree
17:31 chefan the license model i am looking for aims for IoC
17:32 chefan instead of trying to give rights to the developer (which he will never be able to enforce against the typical law department of bigger companies)
17:32 chefan it lets the user of given software sign a contract where he gives up rights of his
17:33 chefan for instance, whoever uses the software is obliged to inform the author that he does, and by the same time he gives up his right to interfere if the author publishes license offenders if he finds out by himself
17:34 m4rtijn and.. if i inform the author he can do what?
17:34 m4rtijn ask for money?
17:35 chefan nope
17:35 chefan but use it as a reference
17:35 chefan i see development as a job
17:35 m4rtijn but how does the programmer earn money ?
17:35 chefan almost no usecase is exactly the same as another
17:36 chefan by getting asked to do "something similar as company xy uses"
17:36 m4rtijn but they will then in turn only inform him that they use it..
17:36 chefan if you'd run a company, and you knew who coded the core of a system that you need to approach, who would you ask?
17:37 m4rtijn some chinese dude who will reverse ingeneer it and reporgram it for 1$ / hour
17:37 chefan there is the point, the case where you can use any given softwar "as is" without any modification is rare
17:37 m4rtijn hehe.. just joking..
17:37 m4rtijn I like chinese
17:37 chefan the chinese dudes do that regardless of license ;)
17:37 chefan so you loose nothing
17:38 chefan and 1$/months is irrealistic
17:38 chefan the designers in north korea earn 3$ a MONTH
17:39 chefan m4rtijn: the trick with the licens is, IF i release something with a noncommercial license, i want the credit for my work
17:40 chefan so i try to reduce reasons not to give it to me
17:40 m4rtijn sure but if somebody takes part of your code and optimizes it.. its not your code anymore
17:40 chefan what i am paid for is the modeling, implementing individual solutions and the like
17:40 chefan in short, my expertise
17:41 chefan if he uses it as a base, he would have to inform me and use it in the history
17:41 chefan the license is not done yet, but what it aims for is a simple history of development that offers a clean view on who was involved in creating a functional system
17:41 m4rtijn but arent all programs / codes / algorithms based on some other stuff
17:41 chefan like the trailer of a movie
17:42 chefan i am not talking about algorithms, i consider algorithms t o be public domain
17:42 chefan i don't believe in trivial software patents
17:43 chefan mankind developed this knowledge, and it is hilarious to assume that someone would deserve money just to have an idea based on the knowledge he received from the society he lives in
17:43 chefan implementing the code on the other hand is work
17:44 chefan and for this work, i think the coder or engineer or architect deserves some credit
17:44 m4rtijn ehhe
17:44 m4rtijn I totally agree chefan
17:44 chefan i mean, what could be more productive? my boss asks me to solve a problem
17:45 chefan instead of reading licenses or talking to lawyers to secure my proprietary code, i just get back to him with a list of modules i used plus a list of people who have to show in the credits and we are done with it and move on
17:46 chefan saves cost for my boss, for the clients, the developers involved all get credit and show up in the cast of a problem solution
17:46 chefan and whenever someone needs a specific problem solution, he can check on this cast to find the right one to do it in least time
17:46 chefan all the rest is for managers
17:47 chefan managers raise those patent issues, copyrights and stuff
17:47 chefan and it's a terrible overall loss of productivity
17:48 chefan for instance: i am working on a videoconferencing project
17:48 chefan i am allowed to do work apart of my 40h job
17:48 chefan and recently i got an offer, but i had o turn it down because of the license requirements
17:49 chefan i had to tell the client, that it would be amoral to give away rights to code away to a foreign company, when MY employer pays all the infrastructure
17:49 chefan so i would have to develop everything anew for him which would not fit into his budget
17:49 ct529 hi everybody!
17:50 ct529 We are having some problems with integration between RTE and DAM
17:50 chefan if he could settle for open source instead and give credits to me and do the company i work for whenever he employs my solution, everyone would be happy
17:50 ct529 When you upload files through RTE, they are no available in the DAM.
17:54 ct529 Is there at least a way of switching off the upload tab in the link feature of the rte?
18:43 m4rtijn cu tomoroq
18:48 ct529 how do you check out an extension from forge.typo3.org? I do not udnerstand.
19:19 nkuttler btw, can i install extensions through the command line? my uplink is slow, x forwarding is a pita etc...
19:21 chefan check out the code for installing locally. should not be too difficult to patch the code to run the php from command line interpreter
19:22 chefan that way you could upload the package with scp and initiate the install
19:22 nkuttler you mean dig through the source? hm, remote x is less pain i guess
19:22 chefan personally i disagree :)
19:23 chefan i love digging through code
19:23 chefan especially when i start to see the matrix behind it :D
19:24 nkuttler gah, i think the remove mozilla just launched a new local window :/
19:24 nkuttler s/remove/remote/
19:25 chefan gotta love command line solutions :)
19:25 nkuttler yeah... i'll take a look at the source
19:25 chefan hace you tried elinks with java support over ssh & screen?
19:26 chefan might be an alternative
19:26 nkuttler just thought of that too
19:26 chefan though i am not sure if the backend will look any good with elinks
19:27 chefan if it works i'd be interested in an opinion, to know if i have to install spidermonkey
19:27 chefan ;)
19:27 chefan this.lunchBreak(now)
19:28 nkuttler your browser looks incompatible with this typo3 version :/
22:49 Amr0d hi
22:57 JohPie hi Amr0d
23:25 lolli hi JohPie :)
23:25 JohPie hi lolli
23:26 JohPie I hope you allowed me, to make the change
23:26 lolli sure! thanks.
23:27 JohPie I thought when is doing something, we have to deliver their feed
23:28 JohPie +core
23:29 lolli did you follow the discussion in dev list? steffen stated his frustration about the quiet core list. i hope there will follow some more action next days, there are tons of pending patches
23:30 JohPie I bet that I have to make patch number 6 for #8715. They will find something to change ;)
23:30 JohPie Yes, I follow
23:30 lolli hihi
23:39 lolli lets wait ;) i am glad to have such critical core devs reviewing my stuff.
23:46 JohPie lolli: I would set default permissions to 7
23:46 lolli k, thanks :)
23:46 JohPie old groups get permissions 0
23:47 JohPie because there is nothing in, wenn the col is add
23:47 lolli yep, this is done with the install toll (fileoper_perms tinyint(4) DEFAULT '0' NOT NULL,)
23:47 lolli yep
23:48 JohPie and if you set to 0 for new groups, someone will search for error and doesn't found the permission at the group
23:49 JohPie mmh,.. Ingo stop his work..... no more news now
23:50 JohPie so, my bed is calling
23:50 JohPie n8

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