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#TYPO3 IRC log from : Tuesday 11 August 2009

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09:22 _pedda_ hi all
09:51 maholtz|WORK morning
09:51 _pedda_ moin maholtz|WORK
09:54 cdngfrog what could cause an "ERROR: Content Element type "an_extension" has no rendering definition!" only when HTTPS is used? HTTP works fine.
09:56 maholtz|WORK @cdngfrog: perhaps an typo in typoscript? not correctly closed condition [end]?
09:57 cdngfrog maholtz|WORK: checked that, everything is fine - also this only happens with powermail_pi1
09:58 maholtz|WORK that message is generated by powermail_pi1, perhaps you defined your template in the constants?
09:58 maholtz|WORK does it happens even if you clear your cache?
09:59 cdngfrog I cleared the cash. Maybe this has something to do with the "HTTPS enforcer". It reloads the page with HTTPS when someone tries to access it via HTTP
10:00 cdngfrog *cache, damn it's early :-)
10:01 maholtz|WORK hehe - clearing cash would not the best thing...
10:01 Bluespuke hello
10:01 maholtz|WORK check if you have conditions in your constants too, check them again?
10:01 maholtz|WORK sounds not like an standard issue
10:04 cdngfrog yeah, it sounds odd. unfortunately we got this project from another agency and their TS is realy weird
11:31 milpoer hi all.
11:37 _pedda_ hi milpoer
11:52 _pedda_ re
12:00 milpoer hi i have a problem with my menu items that referes to an external url, i have to click twice to visit the "link".. any hints ? have tried to google, but no luck..
12:04 kinea milpoer: is the target page a shortcut?
12:06 milpoer kinea: the page type is: "link to extern URL"
12:07 kinea i had the same problem some time ago
12:08 kinea i solved it with a kind of workaround
12:08 kinea mom
12:09 milpoer mom ??
12:09 _pedda_ mom = moment
12:09 _pedda_ one moment please
12:09 kinea http://nopaste.com/p/akwPI7Pz7
12:09 _pedda_ or please hold the line :)
12:09 kinea i added a HTML TLO to the menu
12:10 kinea not nice for the backend users. but the page menu is static, so no problem for that project
12:11 kinea lib.xmenu_1 is my menu object
12:11 milpoer thx will.. try
12:20 dkvt Hi. How can I set something to a GPvar in typoscript? like "something = tx_myext[var]"
12:30 Bluespuke lunch time!
12:41 maholtz|WORK @dkvt: typoscript is not an script language! what do you want to do?
12:43 dkvt maholtz|WORK: already got it ;) something = '{GPvar:blabla}'
12:44 _pedda_ typoSCRIPT is not an SCRIPT language ?
12:45 _pedda_ why not ?
12:45 _pedda_ hmm I'm still confused with the script/programming language stuff
12:45 _pedda_ last time i heard someone saying php wouldn't be a programming language..
12:47 maholtz|WORK you cannot write programms with typoscript, you can only configure (a lot)
12:49 _pedda_ scripting languages make you able to write programs as well ?
12:50 [AcKs]Maddy_ JavaScript is a script Language
12:50 _pedda_ i thought it's only describing something
12:50 [AcKs]Maddy_ Java is a programming language
12:50 [AcKs]Maddy_ and TS ist a configuration language
12:50 _pedda_ hmm ok
12:50 maholtz|WORK imho yes, but i do not know really what the academic definition is, but imho for many programmers it is important to know, that typoscript does not behave like an scripting language
12:51 _pedda_ ok
12:51 _pedda_ thx
13:03 sorenmalling milpoer: Do you have a link where we can see that?
13:05 milpoer sorenmalling: morgendagensleder.dk
13:05 milpoer sorenmalling: in the top menu there is a link to "login"
13:07 sorenmalling milpoer: It's look like TYPO3 takes no_cache=1 as a second parameter in your RealURL(?) setup, and therefore doesn't honour the external link. Aren't you able, with EXT:realurlmanagement, to create redirects?
13:08 milpoer sorenmalling: the no_cache=1 option is set for trying to fix it.. i have not checked the realurl management, will check right away
13:13 milpoer sorenmalling: i helped.. i don't knew that possibility.. i thought it was unnessesary (or how its spelled) because i could set redirect url in the page type.
13:14 sorenmalling milpoer: Great to hear, but a bit weiard, that the external url isn't honoured
13:14 milpoer honoured ? (in danish :)
13:15 sorenmalling It means to "respect the setting" - the setting that the page is a external url
13:15 sorenmalling Danish: respektere :)
13:15 milpoer oh..
13:15 milpoer perhaps dmitry knows why.. :)
13:17 sorenmalling Or maybe it tells you in the manual :)
13:17 milpoer perhaps.. i just googled becuase i wondered.. but did not find anything..
13:17 sorenmalling It's a great manual written, and he also got some guides on www.typo3bloke.net
13:17 milpoer i know
13:23 milpoer btw.. thx soren.
13:23 sorenmalling Np :)
13:26 cdngfrog if I have a content-element of my_extension on my page, deinstall and install my_extension again, will there still be the content elements with the same configuration?
13:26 Bluespuke aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarggghhhhh i h8 IE6 :@
13:29 Bluespuke rofl this stupid outdated browser shrinks my JS menu on each movement until it's hidden...
13:38 _pedda_ lol
13:39 kinea dont support this old browser :-)
13:39 _pedda_ i don't
13:39 _pedda_ in exception a customer pays me for the ie6 support
13:40 _pedda_ youtube stopped to support it some days ago..
13:40 kinea just read it on the bloke
13:41 _pedda_ the best thing is: customer wants it look shiny with some transparences and tiny jquery effects but still requires ie6 support..
13:41 _pedda_ some kind of i need a porsche with some leather seats but it should still be able to run on steam
13:42 cdngfrog you get what you pay for
13:52 Bluespuke _pedda_, kinea : i have to... :'(
13:52 _pedda_ hehe
15:16 uraan Hi
15:17 uraan can anybody tell me how to insert the graphical menu
15:19 uraan anybody is here?
15:20 maholtz|WORK @abbas: did you read the TSref?
15:22 abbas @maholtz no, but i am reading the article, "TypoScript By Example" in which he describe how to make the menu from where he write only line about it
15:23 abbas page.5 < temp.topmenu, this is the line
15:24 abbas Anyways can u tell me from where i can read the TSref?
15:24 abbas I am new in the typo3
15:32 maholtz|WORK @abbas: if you are an programmer keep in mind, typoscript is not an scripting language
15:32 maholtz|WORK tsref: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/
15:32 maholtz|WORK perhaps http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Ts45min could help a bit
15:33 maholtz|WORK but the wiki has been upated the last week, not everything works like it should atm
15:36 _pedda_ someone ever used sg_glossary ?
15:36 _pedda_ is it possible to set the "plugin mode"/CODE: via ts ?
15:40 maholtz|WORK @_pedda_: not per default, you have to check that in the code itself
15:40 _pedda_ in the pi1 ?
15:42 randomresult hi there
15:42 _pedda_ hi
15:42 randomresult anyone around who know js well?
15:42 randomresult hi _pedda_
15:43 randomresult how is life?
15:43 _pedda_ lot of work to do.. as usual ... i'd say
15:43 _pedda_ :)
15:43 randomresult yeah... good... financial crisis
15:43 randomresult crisis?
15:44 _pedda_ hmm that one seems to miss me..
15:44 _pedda_ which is quite ok
15:44 randomresult anyway... can u help me with js?
15:44 _pedda_ i'm not that into js
15:44 _pedda_ why don't you ask in #javascript ?
15:44 randomresult ;(
15:44 randomresult good idea
15:44 _pedda_ what is your problem, mybe i can help anyway
15:45 _pedda_ *maybe
15:45 randomresult may i pm u
15:45 _pedda_ sure
15:46 randomresult mom tel
16:38 Bluespuke IE6 debugging ended, starhack is my friend
16:48 void Bluespuke: don't you think IE6 time is over?
16:49 Bluespuke void: in fact, i do... but not our clients and people in my region...
16:50 randomresult well a lot of big companies still use ie6
16:50 void Bluespuke: where are you from?
16:50 Bluespuke we allread had a client with IE5.5 installed! i think all people off the world using IE6 are livbing around me xD
16:50 Bluespuke i'm from east belgium
16:51 void randomresult: youtube announces drop of ie6 support. wolframalpha drops ie6 support. maybe next time we'll just not test our next site in ie6...
16:51 Bluespuke yes, that are great news for me xD
16:51 void Bluespuke: no, you are not alone. i'm from russia and there is a lot of ie6-minded people around me
16:51 randomresult one of our customer has more than 40% ie6 users
16:52 randomresult im from germany
16:52 void randomresult: wow. what is the area where this company work?
16:52 randomresult germany
16:53 void hm.. i mean, not geographically... what does it sell? who are the visitors of its site?
16:53 randomresult visitors from europe - mainly germany
16:54 void percent of ie6 at europe is low. much less than 60. so the target group is somehow special.
16:55 void *i mean 40
16:55 randomresult but 40 is nearly half
16:55 randomresult the target groups are employees from big companies like bosch etc.
16:56 void http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-DE-daily-20080701-20090811
16:57 randomresult nearly 10%
16:57 randomresult even that is not nothing
16:57 void yeah, i know
16:58 randomresult and normaly the ie6 probs with clean html/css are not that heavy
16:58 randomresult nearly nothing what u cant fix :)
16:58 randomresult and i dont think that firefox is strong like this page shows
16:58 randomresult i cant belive this
16:59 void it is)
16:59 randomresult just a sec... im just going to analytics
16:59 void i think ie6 will gone when win7 will be spreaded...
17:00 randomresult when win7 is accepted by big companies... yes... hopefully
17:00 randomresult but when it behaves like vista ...
17:01 randomresult 40% use ie
17:01 randomresult 24% ie6
17:01 void not that bad
17:02 void three years ago ie6 was 80% or so..
17:02 void 24 is cool
17:02 randomresult 340 of 1415 users use ie6
17:02 randomresult some even 5.5
17:02 randomresult 2
17:02 randomresult :)
17:04 void by the way, what is other 60%?
17:05 void too much for just firefox...
17:05 Bluespuke bye people
17:05 Bluespuke cu 2morrow
17:06 randomresult safari 18
17:06 randomresult firefox 37
17:06 randomresult and some other
17:08 void 18?
17:08 randomresult anyone knows how to get rid of the <a id=c32>
17:08 void i know :)
17:09 randomresult how?
17:09 void with one line of typoscript
17:09 void second
17:09 void tt_content.stdWrap.dataWrap >
17:09 randomresult thy
17:10 randomresult thx
17:10 void np
17:10 void i think 18% of safari is a lot... is that windows or mac version?
17:10 randomresult i dunno
17:10 randomresult but this is a webside where a lot of mac-users are
17:11 randomresult so this is not like a normal site
17:12 randomresult on another site ie is 60
17:12 randomresult %
17:12 randomresult only 13% ie6
17:12 randomresult 13 of 60
17:15 randomresult 300.000 user --> IE users: 65.000 --> 13.000 IE6
17:16 randomresult but its a community for php-developer
17:17 randomresult anyway... as i said before... its really easy to make a page working in ie6 ---> lucky me, i have someone here who loves this job :)
17:17 void transparent png.. floats and margins...
17:18 void i don't like all this stuff
17:18 randomresult png-fix and co :)
17:18 randomresult i dont like it too
17:19 randomresult but my man ollio is used to fix those things
17:19 void i realized while ago that pngfix does not work if the element initially was hidden with {dispay:none}..
17:20 void i took me two or three days..
17:20 randomresult dont ask me ... i dont do this fixing
17:20 randomresult i tell him: fix ie6
17:20 randomresult and he does
17:20 void he is saint.
17:20 randomresult but he is the design/template-maker... so he knows what to expect from the beginning
18:01 _pedda_ icu all
18:01 randomresult cu _pedda_ thx for the help
18:48 randomresult ok i m off... cu all
18:48 randomresult good night
19:51 HardPhuck if i use two tt_news plugins on the same page
19:52 HardPhuck both with display:latest
19:52 HardPhuck can i set different settings for images in TS?
19:52 HardPhuck i want bigger image on one
19:55 Rait Good evening
19:56 Rait anyone up for a game of "help the beginner" ?
19:57 Rait oh well, I'll drop my problem here, hoping that someone will be able to point me in the right direction
19:58 Rait http://kuma.fm/index.php?id=40 This is the page. And I need to set the three content items into three columns. With the pic between the two text items
19:59 Rait the text items need to be separate, as the right side column will have to be specific backend user customizable
20:02 Rait all I could use is a nudge in the right direction here :)
20:31 Rait anyone?
20:31 timdeluxe what do you use fore templating?
20:31 timdeluxe fore=for
20:33 Rait well, the truth be told, I am not the one who built the page. I am the one inserting the elements and doing the smaller css modifications
20:33 Rait that's one of the things I am trying to do with content items/css
20:33 timdeluxe i see
20:33 timdeluxe but solving your problems depends deeply on the way your template it built
20:34 Rait hrm... well if you can put that question of yours into plain english, I might be able to take a look and give you an answer :D
20:35 timdeluxe okay
20:36 timdeluxe there are many ways to put a html template to typo3
20:36 timdeluxe in the very oldskool one you have markers and left, right and middle(?) coloumns in the backend
20:37 Rait yeah, seeing columns
20:37 timdeluxe then you have the autoparser way, which still have these coloumns
20:37 Rait oh, hehe
20:37 timdeluxe and then you have the modern way of templavoila, where you can create "coloumns" by yourself and see them in the backend
20:38 Rait # Configuring the Auto-Parser:
20:38 Rait ok so I guess that's the one
20:39 timdeluxe i see
20:41 timdeluxe then you will have difficulties to get your problem solved with several content elements
20:41 timdeluxe if it is a special page with three coloumns i would choose a html CE for that and put it into that
20:43 Rait well...I've made some progress with it... if I only could get the third element to the right side of the pic I'd be set... :s
20:43 Rait because the html ce would mean no easily modified text column, wouldn't it?
20:46 Rait http://kuma.fm/index.php?id=40 this is what I have so far
20:47 timdeluxe correct, you will not have wysiwyg, but you can still easily modify it by editing the html code ;)
20:48 timdeluxe in templavoila you would solve it with FCE, which are containers for CE's by themselves
20:48 Rait well the thing is..the person(s) editing it, are far from being computer literate :D
20:48 Rait and switching to templavoila at this point would be....extensive?
20:48 timdeluxe if you need it that comfortable: change the way of templating
20:50 timdeluxe of course it would be extensive, but that is a point you would have to think about _before_ starting the project ;)
20:50 timdeluxe if it is just that single page needing three coloumns just take html
20:51 timdeluxe all other solutions will take you much time
20:51 timdeluxe (for example modifying CSC by typoscript for just that page)
20:51 Rait that's the thing..there might be more pages coming. The designers are still working on it
20:51 timdeluxe then change the way of templating :)
20:52 timdeluxe check out templavoila.busynoggin.com ... it's a templavoila framework i am playing with at the moment
20:54 Rait hmm....
20:54 Rait I need to think this over..
21:07 phil1 hi all :)
22:55 daeli hi there, is there a way to assign a class to one single menu item?
23:01 daeli anyone?

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