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00:24 fuchur HardPhuck go have a sleep
00:24 fuchur ^^
03:46 Maluka G'day all
04:23 ries hey Maluka
05:00 Maluka hey ries....
05:00 Maluka sorry, was away for lunch...just got back
05:29 Maluka Anyone seen it before that the default css file of pmkslimbox (with rgecard) has the lightbox show up way to the left instead of centered?
06:28 Maluka Pfew....that was a pain in the a**.....the latest version of rgecard/pmkslimbox and t3mootools don't work together
06:30 ries Maluka: I use the default JS at the moment...
06:30 ries I never seen the issue of not being centered... sounds like CSS though
06:31 ries I am off to bed.. if you don't mind
06:47 Maluka no worries :-)
06:47 Maluka I found a solution already...downgrading
08:09 kraftb good morning vietIRC
08:11 zed_devil hi there
08:13 zed_devil i want to put out a subtitle of a page (pid 12 for example) for a navigation headline how can i do that
08:13 zed_devil i want to make a seperate lib for that
08:15 kraftb you want to do what?
08:15 kraftb you want to put the subtitle of page somewhere - correct?
08:15 zed_devil only show the title of subtile
08:15 kraftb and always the same page ?
08:15 zed_devil yes
08:16 kraftb so you set a static constant for the uid?
08:16 kraftb ok.
08:16 kraftb wait. i'll post a TS.
08:16 zed_devil thy
08:16 zed_devil thx
08:18 kraftb http://nopaste.info/966a6316c4.html
08:18 kraftb tell me if it works and if this is what you meant.
08:22 zed_devil works perfect thanks a lot
08:30 kraftb plz!
08:38 Bluespuke morning
09:36 maholtz|WORK morning
10:15 m4rtijn hi all
10:30 fuchur good mornin
10:31 sebar aloha
10:36 kraftb morning ...
10:36 HardPhuck morning
10:38 fuchur mh
10:38 fuchur why do i not wonder? :p
10:40 sebar In accordance with the prophecy, I am trying to make a multilanguage site and I need to have urls like this www.example.com/de/folder/page.html
10:40 sebar where /de/ is the language
10:41 sebar my hope is that that the urls points to the same content page and changes the content depending of the language parameter
10:42 sebar Does anyone have a good tip how to do this?
10:42 kraftb did you read the multilanguage documentation for TYPO3 ?
10:44 sebar yes I did. in the BE there is a possibility to do this. But at this time i'm asking myself how to configure realurl to parse the url as desired
10:44 kraftb wait ...
10:45 kraftb http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/extension-manuals/realurl/1.5.3/view/1/2/
10:45 kraftb search for: [preVars]
10:45 kraftb The syntax of a Speaking URL
10:46 sebar yeap
10:46 kraftb I mean this documentation - it's very good and written by Kasper:
10:46 kraftb http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_l10nguide/1.0.0/view/
10:47 sebar thanks, in accordance with the prophecy, this is what I#m looking for
10:48 Bluespuke can i wrap a JS file included with page.includeJS with a conditional comment such as <!--[if lt IE 7]>|<[endif]--> ?
10:49 kraftb no. rather use "page.headerData" to include the JS
10:50 kraftb page.includeJS handles the included JS files without giving you the opportunity to modfiy the generated code
10:50 sebar [browser = msie] .... [END]
10:50 kraftb seba: what do you mean by "prophecy" ???
10:50 sebar :D
10:51 kraftb sebar: using a [browser = msie] condition would put the work of choosing if to include th JS file to the server.
10:51 kraftb it will double the amount of cached pages - because the page get's cached with the condition evaluated to true AND false
10:51 sebar that's true
10:51 kraftb using a conditional comment, will put the decision either to include the JS or not to the client/browser side
10:51 kraftb saves energy I guess ;)
10:51 kraftb according to environmental thinkings
10:52 kraftb ;)
10:54 fuchur is there a good extension for generating forms according to TCA?
11:08 fuchur nothing? found form_extension_tut but somehow it leads me to write plain sql statements in my extensions o_O
11:08 fuchur get the feelin this is not allright
11:09 untouch_ hi
11:09 fuchur hi
11:10 sebar aloha, untouched
11:10 untouch_ when i try to upload a 2.4 mb mp3 over backend to the fileserver it gets disturbed after a while
11:10 untouch_ i set filesize in install tool to 300 mb tho
11:10 untouch_ what could that be
11:11 sebar Maybe you have to setup your php configuration
11:12 fuchur max file size and max execution time
11:22 zed_devil hi again
11:24 sebar aloha
11:25 sebar Do I need to install sr_language_menu for language management
11:27 zed_devil i'm searching for a plugin. i have a page where i would show "produkts". the produkt have accessor. So i want to create a pool of accessory and give each parnet produkts. So that i can insert a Prdukt on a page and the accessory is shown. is the anything like that
11:28 sebar product
11:30 untouch_ thx
12:13 jbaptiste_j I second that
12:14 Bluespuke this fuuucking outdated browser pisses me off :C
12:14 jbaptiste_j I have something for you Bluespuke : http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html
12:17 Bluespuke i know this list jbaptiste_j, i'm pissed off about alpha transparency and drop shadows in png/gif images...
12:20 sebar You can use a js to have PNG suport in IE6
12:20 fuchur mh why do people still want ther pages to work with IE6?
12:20 sebar Because a lot of companies still use this Browser
12:20 fuchur but it's outdated :)
12:21 sebar That's true, but they did not update it
12:21 fuchur i don't watch out for win 3.11 and 640x480 when building a page
12:21 fuchur so don't I for IE6 ^^
12:22 sebar It always depends who are you clients and targets
12:22 jbaptiste_j Where I work we still have a lot of Win98 and Win2000 and even those who have XP don't have admin privileges and the updates are configured to stick to IE6 because our cheap computers just wouldn't work with a more recent browser
12:22 jbaptiste_j not everyone can afford to change a computer every 3 year
12:23 fuchur strange ...
12:23 sebar That's due to the economic crise
12:23 sebar :D
12:23 fuchur like everything is
12:23 jbaptiste_j not really it has always been like that with the French public services
12:23 fuchur companies are running firewalls, login systems, probably security guards and stuff
12:24 jbaptiste_j Massive amounts of people without the proper tool to do the job
12:24 sebar Et oui, la France
12:24 fuchur but let their employees use IE6
12:24 fuchur that is weired
12:24 sebar un gros foutoir
12:24 sebar :D
12:24 sebar That's the same here in germany great companies
12:25 fuchur Je m'appelles Felix ... that's all I got out of five years of french teaching in shool :(
12:25 fuchur sebar it's because companies save money on the wrong end ... it's more important for the CEO to drive Mercedes S class :)
12:25 sebar Salut Felix, le chat
12:26 sebar http://www.lessignets.com/signetsdiane/calendrier/images/oct/26/Felixlechat161727.jpg
12:26 sebar yeap, you got it :D
12:26 jbaptiste_j What's worth with the French public service is the policy regarding staff training, you basically have to train yourself on your free time
12:28 sebar humm... In france you have the "education-checks" at the end of year
12:28 sebar Here in Germany you have nothing if the company doesn't want
12:28 sebar So it is the same, you have to teach yourself
12:29 fuchur one of the reasons I don't want to be employeed :)
12:33 sebar humm
12:34 sebar I don't understand, if you are freelancer it's always the same you have to pay yourself for your formations
12:35 sebar If you work as employed usually they will look for your formations in order that you will make a better job
12:35 sebar but officialy, they don't have to as it is in France
12:42 coolguy hi there ;-) ... does somebody know a good tutorial which explains how to config the crawler extension?
12:42 coolguy the tut on typo3.org is not good
12:43 fuchur sebar in all my jobs noone cared for education
12:43 fuchur just do your job and that's it
12:44 fuchur as freelancer I can plan such things, calculate my hourly rates to create some sparetime to learn something new
12:52 sebar fuchur: you are working for the wrong companies
12:52 fuchur ack
12:52 fuchur not anymore :)
13:19 Shakademus hey there, short question: does the typo3 session handling (fe_user->setKey) need cookies enabled?
13:21 maholtz|WORK @shakademus: sure
13:22 Shakademus sure? session ids could also be handed over by url params
13:24 sorenmalling Shakademus: isn't setKey using the PHP session system and not client cookies?
13:24 animan hi. I'm having some problems with tt_news typoscript -- everything seems to work perfectly, but for some reason I'm just unable to change it's default typoscript setup
13:25 Shakademus sure it is. but using the standard session system needs a session id being handed over; either by cookie or by url params
13:25 animan I've copied the exact typoscript from setup.txt file from static folder to my ext template that I include to my main template but for some reason I just cannot change anything from there
13:25 Shakademus and I want to which ways typo3 supports
13:25 Shakademus +know
13:27 animan anyone knows what am I missing?
13:30 kinea animan: you change the constants?
13:30 kinea animan: try to change the constants
13:31 kinea if you change ts setup you have to use > before you change an object
13:33 animan hmm.. i guess i copied something wrong.. i got some exaples from manual (that looked same :S) but it works now
13:33 animan anyway, thanks :)
13:43 kraftb tell floxx1 and Shakademus a sorry: I had to restart the webserver at think-open.at (they used the webinterface to this channel there ...)
13:49 kraftb btw: http://t3paste.org/
14:08 sebar Aloha
14:10 sebar Can someon explain me, why I am loosing my TV mapping settings sometimes in the BE? Everthing works fine but when I go to the "File" and I want to edit the mapping it displays the template with no defined mapping
14:13 sebar I defined the mapping and the content is displayed as desired but after some "modifications" of all kinds, when I go to the mapping edit my mapping settings have gone in the BE
14:38 hvnqke_work I don't know much about hooks, so please bear with me. I need to move the functionality of a hook from one extension to another. Is it as simple as copying the hooks folder into the new extenison folder, or do I need to set some configurations somewhere to let Typo3 know that I want to use the hook?
14:45 PanTerra Hi
14:46 PanTerra anyone with experience in extension dev ?
14:47 PanTerra I have (i think a relative simple) question
14:47 PanTerra I created a simple extension to show a link on a page
14:47 PanTerra links are retreived from the database
14:48 PanTerra in the backend I can set a Startingpoint
14:48 PanTerra I want to add the following sql code
14:49 PanTerra select * FROM tx_mytable WHERE uid IS Startingpoint
14:49 PanTerra Which variable do I need to call to get the Startingpoint in the frontend
14:50 PanTerra ?????
14:50 maholtz|WORK @hvnqke_work: in ext_localconf.php there is something like $TYPO3_CONF_VARS['EXTCONF'][###extensiontohook in ###][hookname[] you need that too
14:51 Silo_ Hello, I need a extension for typo3 wich can do following: Upload image, link for that image, and some text beside the image. is there a extension like that somewhere? thnx
14:51 maholtz|WORK @PanTerra: $this->cObj->data['name of field'] ?
14:51 hvnqke_work maholtz|WORK, ah, I see. that's where I define what it's called and where it's located for Typo3 to use?
14:51 PanTerra Thanks, knew it must be that simple
14:54 Silo_ somebody ? :)
14:56 maholtz|WORK @hvnqke_work: yes, but it depends on the extension, sometimes you define class and method, sometimes only class, sometimes you need to implement an interface etc.
14:56 maholtz|WORK @PanTerra:)
14:56 PanTerra $content = $this->cObj->data['Startingpoint']; is empty
14:56 PanTerra :(
14:57 sebar Silo: Is that not in the standart image include?
14:57 sebar like when inserting a image with TV
14:57 PanTerra I used the kickstarter and used the default flexform
14:57 sebar ?!
14:57 maholtz|WORK @PanTerra: sure;) go to the backend, have a look in html which name has the field you want to use
14:57 maholtz|WORK i do not know the fieldname, but it is easy to look up in a few seconds
14:58 maholtz|WORK with firebux:)
14:58 maholtz|WORK äh, firebug
14:58 PanTerra :D good old firebug :D
14:59 sebar I have the following TSconfig script: mod.SHARED.defaultLanguageFlag = /typo3/gfx/flags/de.gif but the icon is not displayed. Any ideas?
15:00 PanTerra @sebar silly question, do you have gd enabled ?
15:00 sebar yeap
15:00 sebar and I have imageMagick
15:00 PanTerra @sebar other images show up fine ?
15:00 sebar yes
15:01 Silo_ my purpose for it is. is like a list with video links. all of it stand in the right side down row. a little PIC, beside pic some text and whenn u press the image or text there will popup a side with the video. but it should be simpel and good extension :O)
15:01 Silo_ thnx
15:01 PanTerra @silo try ablinks
15:02 PanTerra @sebar de.gif exists on the right location and is readable by apache or httpd ?
15:03 PanTerra @ maholtz <input name="data[tt_content][289][pages]_mul">
15:03 Silo_ thnx PanTerra .. :)
15:03 sebar yes it is. The GB icon is displayed and he is in the same folder
15:04 PanTerra @ sebar :S no more knowledge of this
15:05 Silo_ @PanTerra not to be diffucult. but couldnt find that extension in typo3 extensions. do u have time to link it? thnx
15:05 PanTerra 2 secs
15:05 Silo_ nice of you
15:06 PanTerra http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1%5Bview%5D=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1%5Bsword%5D=ab_linklist
15:07 PanTerra modern linklist
15:07 Silo_ thnx so much.
15:09 sebar found it
15:09 sebar I had to write only de.gif instead of the full path
15:09 PanTerra :D
15:12 PanTerra <input name="data[tt_content][289][pages]"> is the correct input name
15:12 PanTerra $content = $this->cObj->data['tt_content']['289']['pages']; gives a blank
15:12 PanTerra and it shoul be 206
15:13 PanTerra any idea how to address this ?
15:16 maholtz|WORK @PanTerra: tt_content == table, 289 == uid, pages = your field?
15:16 maholtz|WORK $this->cObj->data['pages']
15:16 maholtz|WORK the actual content object is loaded into cObj
15:17 maholtz|WORK if there is no actuall content object, the page is loaded into cObj
15:17 maholtz|WORK well, i am simplifing...
15:17 PanTerra simple is good :D
15:18 PanTerra YES :D
15:18 PanTerra this worked :D
15:18 PanTerra My first extension :D
15:18 mtnlab Hi. I could really use some help with setting up a custom sitemap. I want to list not only pages from the page tree, I also want to show to page content of the end nodes. Any ideas ? As you might expect im not that comfortable with TS yet.
15:22 hvnqke_work maholtz|WORK: now Typo3 finds the hook and runs it at the correct time. However, it uses a variable defined in the method as &$fieldArray, which seems to be empty for some reason.
15:34 PanTerra @maholtz Thank you
15:41 dokma Hey guys! Anyone knows of some good source for stats on how many visits sites get per SERP position?
15:43 mtnlab www.google.com/analytics
15:44 dokma mtnlab: talking to me?
15:44 mtnlab yea
15:44 dokma You didn't understand me.
15:44 dokma I don't need site stats
15:45 mtnlab aha ok
15:45 mtnlab i get it now, nevermind
15:45 dokma I need stats on the percent of visitors that go to the first result in the SERP, to the second position in the SERP etc.
15:54 Silo_ have a nice day. bye bye
15:57 maholtz|WORK @hvnqke_work: perhaps $fieldArray is only for returning changed fields? well, that depends on your extension, you have to go to the code and check it
15:58 maholtz|WORK @dokma: conversion tracking in google analytics is (IMHO) what you want
16:00 fuchur no
16:00 fuchur in analytics you can't see from wich serp position your visitor came
16:01 fuchur you can see wich link he clicked on and which phrase he was looking for but not on wich position your link was
16:01 litzinger I'm following this blog post on how to setup a multi-lingual site with TV, and realurl, and it's working fine when I go to a page like mysite.com/se/somepage, and it finds the swedish translation of somepage, but when i go to mysite.com/se, it doesn't find the home page of site node. http://www.training-typo3.com/2008/12/15/typo3-multi-language/
16:08 dokma maholtz|WORK: no everyone misunderstood me
16:08 dokma this is what I was looking for: http://www.marketinghub.info/serp-click-distribution/
16:10 maholtz|WORK hm, yep, i misunderstand you, sorry - you want to know how many visits per keywords? (or is there a difference way to identify a SERP?
16:11 zed_devil seems to be
16:11 maholtz|WORK imho awstats gives you how many visits per keywords
16:12 dokma maholtz|WORK: this image tells you not about your site
16:12 dokma it is showing how many people clicks the first result on a SERP
16:12 dokma how many clicks the second and so on
16:13 dokma how many goes to the second page in the results etc...
16:14 zed_devil can someone tell my why config.sys_language_mode = content_fallback; 1,0 doesnt work
16:18 litzinger what is content_fallback supposed to do?
16:18 litzinger i'm having an issue with language stuff right now too
16:20 zed_devil my default ist german and my L=1 is english and i want the fallback to english not to the default
16:21 dokma zed_devil: can you put some links?
16:58 sebar Aloha, I have a new problem
16:59 sebar I have a dynamic menu on my site and links like this /de/folder/page.html
17:00 sebar my problem is that when I switch the language from de to en for example, the menu did not adapt the links on it to the choosen language but let them in the default language.
17:02 sebar http://paste.phlogi.net/-d33214dcec/
17:24 fuchur damn it
17:24 fuchur just wrote my first patch
17:24 fuchur to see ... allready a patch existing :D
17:26 maholtz|WORK well, does it work the same?
17:27 maholtz|WORK you should vote than with an +1 for testing and reading in core-newsgroup (if you did it for the existing patch)
17:27 maholtz|WORK :)
17:27 fuchur ah
17:27 fuchur no there is no patch, somone uploaded his hole class.t3lib_db.php :-)
17:28 fuchur and the bug is status "new" in bugtracker
17:28 fuchur so I guess the problem is not solved properly
17:28 fuchur Do I open a new bug or do I try to attach my patch to the existing bug?
17:28 maholtz|WORK well, without patch...
17:28 maholtz|WORK you could add an patchfile
17:29 maholtz|WORK and poste it than to the core list
17:29 fuchur k
17:29 maholtz|WORK which but do you mean?
17:29 fuchur http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=9316
17:30 fuchur http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=8728
17:30 fuchur they have the same topic
17:39 fuchur maholtz|WORK so I attach my patch to the bug and write a patch request?
17:44 maholtz|WORK well, there is a statement from oliver hader
17:44 maholtz|WORK The "mysql_fetch_assoc(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL..." is a PHP warning and not a error. The mentioned output has a meaning. Something in a extension is wrong. Supressing the warning does not solve it at all. Sorry, that's not a solution at all.
17:44 maholtz|WORK he said
17:45 sebar I found my language menu error. I had to put config.linkVars = L in the template
17:45 maholtz|WORK did you thought about it?
17:45 maholtz|WORK @sebar: config.linkVars = L(int)
17:45 maholtz|WORK otherwise someone could spoof your links via L=1HelloWorld
17:45 sebar thanks
17:45 maholtz|WORK @fuchur: if you get such an mysql warning, you should check db in install tool
17:46 maholtz|WORK usually you got there missing fields (f.e. missing uids in tables)
17:46 maholtz|WORK so, suppressing that warning (which could be done via php) would not really help
17:46 fuchur but if extensions generate this? I think it's conviniet to push this messages to log
17:46 fuchur i think debug is integrated allready ... why not use it?
17:47 fuchur the function would return false and the executing instance could handle error handling
17:51 mtnlab Does anyone know how i can include page content in a sitemap, or if that is the complicated, how i can used flexible content to get content from all subpages to a node ?
17:53 maholtz|WORK @fuchur: there are rules how to write to the core list
17:53 maholtz|WORK you know them?
17:53 fuchur scousi
17:53 fuchur of course :D
17:53 maholtz|WORK well, i am not an core dev
17:54 fuchur there is another core dev who recommends patching
17:54 fuchur so I will send this to the list and we will see
17:54 fuchur this is my first patch, if they don't want it i will be all mad and never come back
17:54 fuchur *g*
17:54 maholtz|WORK i think it has a good chance
17:55 maholtz|WORK well, be patient... they do it in spare time...
17:55 maholtz|WORK and after a week, you can remember them with an reminder
17:55 maholtz|WORK imho that is a rule too:)
17:56 fuchur yep
18:04 sebar How can I hidde elements in the navigation where there is no translation. I've putted config.sys_language_overlay = hideNonTranslated into my template configuration but it makes no difference. I have a one tree structure.
18:04 fuchur what is it called if a bug with the same problem already exists?
18:05 fuchur double? clone?
18:09 mtnlab duplicate ?
18:13 fuchur ah
18:13 fuchur thanks :D
18:13 fuchur ok ... now I see my patch file looks weird :(
18:13 fuchur damn it
18:17 maholtz|WORK hehe, i tried that a few times too and did everytime something wrong:)
18:18 maholtz|WORK have to go, bye
18:18 fuchur bye
18:18 fuchur think my windows diff made something wrong
18:31 Salina I want install media center ext but this error comes out
18:31 Salina Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONST, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /xxx/7/xxx/htdocs/xx/typo3conf/ext/media_center/pi1/class.tx_mediacenter_pi1.php on line 54
18:31 Salina is this bec of php version 4 and it has to be 5 ? need urhelp
18:31 Salina thanx
18:36 adac How to manage to get running more then one web page with different domains on one single typo3 installation and single backend?
18:41 sebar How can I output some dynamic xml for a flash menu, with images and a link?
18:51 adac huhu? ;)
18:51 sebar Jehooowdi!!!
18:53 sebar It after 6 o'clock here, everybody is gone
19:02 adac sebar, Oh I see :D
19:02 adac So I'm gonna go soon, too ;)
19:03 sebar me too
19:03 adac sebar, well actually which time?
19:03 adac european?
19:03 sebar yes
19:03 adac k
19:03 sebar 19:08
19:03 MarkusH no, i'm there
19:03 adac MarkusH, huh another one :D
19:03 adac sebar, It's mine too
19:06 mtnlab Does anyone know how i can include page content in a sitemap, or if that is the complicated, how i can use flexible content to get content from all subpages to a node
19:07 MarkusH mtnlab: the line behind an > may help http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/typo3-german/2005-September/003494.html
19:08 MarkusH http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/De:TSref/CONTENT
19:08 sebar Does anyone knows a way to output XML for flash
19:09 MarkusH sebar: sorry, not me
19:09 sebar okay, I will go home. It is to hot here
19:09 sebar See you everybody
19:10 mtnlab MarkusH will look in to that, thanks
19:49 mtnlab Still can't figure this out: Does anyone know how i can include page content in a sitemap, or if that is the complicated, how i can use flexible content to get content from all subpages to a node, could someone walk me through it ?
21:48 schabracke haha im a newbie and messin around with yaml and typo3 ... there is in the header.div a span included in which Yaml blabla is written and i cant get it away???!
21:51 fuchur tomorrow is bugday
21:51 fuchur yeeha :)
21:52 schabracke ?? im happy for you :)
22:16 schabracke has someone got a minute? please, i just ruined my template and dont kn ow why?!
22:39 fuchur HardPhuck?
22:39 HardPhuck fuchur: ?
22:39 HardPhuck :)
22:39 fuchur have a few seconds?
22:40 HardPhuck yes
23:33 fuchur bugday starts in 22 minutes :-D I'd expect at least three core devs in the channel by then
23:33 fuchur *g*
23:34 Phlogi hihi
23:36 fuchur i think it's the same reason they don't attend UG meetings that often
23:36 timdeluxe Phlogi: don't u call sebastian a core developer?
23:36 timdeluxe i would :)
23:36 fuchur if they would out theirselfes as core devs ppl won't stopt askin them stuff
23:36 fuchur :)
23:37 Phlogi timdeluxe: whats his nick? :)
23:37 Phlogi fuchur: then they should create a typo3-dev channel :p
23:37 fuchur mh
23:37 timdeluxe just look who entered the room before fuchur talked about bugday :)
23:37 fuchur in which you want to join
23:37 fuchur and ask questions?
23:37 fuchur ^^
23:38 Phlogi I have no question I know everything about TYPO3
23:38 fuchur mh nice ...
23:38 fuchur I will start buggin you :p
23:38 HardPhuck lol
23:38 Phlogi jup feels good :D
23:38 Phlogi btw my pastebin will be updated soon :)
23:38 fuchur Phlogi do you blog?
23:38 Phlogi fuchur: nope
23:39 Phlogi should I? :
23:39 fuchur mh, I agree with you ... missing the core devs here too ... would be great to ask questions concearning patching, mailinglist and stuff
23:39 Phlogi fuchur: and hey they are googlers in #android too...
23:40 Phlogi so that should be a big issue if ppl know that there are core devs here...
23:40 fuchur mh in the end the core devs opened the core list because they profit from user submits
23:40 fuchur so I think it would be great to support willing users a little
23:41 fuchur be it motivation or technichal stuff
23:41 Phlogi fuchur: thats so old fashioned.. but fist to the very old style typo3.org "concept"
23:41 fuchur ok "they profit" sounds too bad :D we all profit
23:41 Phlogi Maybe I can talk about some big problems tomorrow on bug channel.. who knows :D
23:42 fuchur an I'll fix them
23:42 fuchur great
23:42 Phlogi they can't even use a bug tracker properly thats how it looks
23:42 Phlogi for me
23:42 fuchur you're mean :p
23:42 Phlogi I'm realistic
23:42 Phlogi should I go further?
23:42 Phlogi they can't provide a manual in a sane way
23:42 fuchur no
23:42 fuchur just stop :p
23:43 Phlogi they can't even post a changelog about FLOW properly :D
23:43 Phlogi sometimes I just need to tell somebody you know :D
23:43 fuchur mh ... but they have a flow3 tutorial ... ok, it's outdated :D but anyway ...
23:43 Phlogi I need to take care otherwise some ppl will really hate me :D
23:43 Phlogi fuchur: thats normal, almost all docu of typo3 is outdated... why should that change?
23:43 Phlogi :D
23:44 fuchur yeah i just start slippin into the community and i don't want to start all hated :D
23:44 Phlogi jup
23:45 Phlogi I'll try to talk to some ppl maybe soon... they really really need to start changing things in a hard manner... or it will be too late soon
23:45 Phlogi HardPhuck: thanks man, so there is you and Denyerec and me already :)
23:45 HardPhuck let's make a typo3 fork now :
23:45 HardPhuck :)
23:46 HardPhuck because we object!
23:46 HardPhuck ah dang,... i don't have the time :)
23:46 Phlogi HardPhuck: at least all the infrastructure should be forked... really
23:46 Phlogi thats documentation, TER, create a forum
23:46 HardPhuck yes, that i agree with
23:46 Phlogi great :)
23:46 Phlogi especially forking TER would be good
23:46 Phlogi I mean really_
23:47 HardPhuck infrastructure hasn't changed since Kasper lefet
23:47 HardPhuck left
23:47 Phlogi its crazy
23:47 Phlogi really
23:47 Phlogi look at those utterly broken documentation...
23:47 HardPhuck and what i hate the most.. user interface in TYPO3 is horrible
23:47 timdeluxe *popcorn
23:47 Phlogi why does nobody see that this the damn biggest problem? I mean even kasper does those funny and not really informative podcasts instead of facing the real big problems
23:47 HardPhuck it's web 2.0 era haven't they heard?
23:48 Phlogi HardPhuck: yeah really... ok I mean thats not such a big issue... I think that the backend is rock solid
23:48 Phlogi HardPhuck: the 2.0 issue is even more grave on TER
23:48 Phlogi I mean compare this to an extension tool from magento or joomla...
23:48 HardPhuck yup
23:48 Phlogi it seems that there we are at least 10years behind
23:49 Phlogi the worst thing is the lack of categories
23:49 fuchur mh try to search for an ext from inside your backend :D
23:49 timdeluxe do you really follow the development?
23:49 fuchur "no extension found"
23:49 fuchur but in TER you can download it
23:49 Phlogi timdeluxe: why?
23:49 Phlogi TER is dead for too long
23:49 timdeluxe many of your problems are already adressed
23:49 Phlogi timdeluxe: for over 2 years... wow
23:49 HardPhuck but it seems noone pays attention
23:49 timdeluxe yeah. but if that is so easy: be the one to change it
23:49 Phlogi for over a year they told me the new website will launch by the end (of last year)
23:50 HardPhuck how is typo3 association funded?
23:50 HardPhuck donations only?
23:50 Phlogi timdeluxe: it can't be that hard... I mean ok if you need to break everything, it wpuld be still worh it
23:50 timdeluxe HardPhuck: plus membership
23:50 Phlogi timdeluxe: furthermore they don't even want anyone to change it...
23:50 Phlogi see how many devs are PENDING on forge on these projects?? Thats just totally crazy
23:51 Phlogi timdeluxe: I would say that with the manpower atm you can fix the whole crappy documentation in one single week
23:51 timdeluxe yeah, they have jobs, families and cant spend their whole time on just one little project
23:51 Phlogi and you could fix TER in one month
23:51 Phlogi timdeluxe: thats not really a reason to NOT let others do the job
23:51 timdeluxe then do it
23:51 timdeluxe contact the teams
23:52 Phlogi what I see: someone is made resposible for team leader... but he even fails to get ppl doing stuff...
23:52 Phlogi timdeluxe: its too hard... they are just doing it wrong... they are too closed... they need to ask for volunteers
23:52 Phlogi and they need more wiki style...
23:52 Phlogi on the whole page...
23:53 Phlogi since I know typo3 almost nothing changed on typo3.org and on TER...
23:53 fuchur did you see last security update? :D
23:53 Phlogi and there are a lot of motivated users out there that would help with little stuff.. but the ppl behing typo3 are just too over-organized...
23:53 fuchur most of the extensions were remove since no patches were applied ... sad
23:54 Phlogi have you ever seen the analysis for a better extension document format? That was a crazy load of work... 2 years ago, nothing happened until that day..
23:54 fuchur Phlogi why do you not change the cms then? :)
23:54 timdeluxe it will change with v5
23:54 Phlogi fuchur: because TER sucks... because not more than one can update an extension... there is only one author... how silly is that?
23:54 timdeluxe docbook is a nice format and can be converted in many formats
23:54 HardPhuck fuchur he's pointing out the bad stuff :)
23:54 Phlogi timdeluxe: too late...
23:55 timdeluxe there is an TER2 in development, used with v5
23:55 Phlogi timdeluxe: all the users are using typo3 v4 and they want that working
23:55 timdeluxe i know
23:55 HardPhuck timdeluxe: and when can we expect v5? 2012 ?
23:55 Phlogi timdeluxe: but where will you read that as a new developer? Are you really informed enough?
23:55 fuchur i think waiting for v5 is silly ... years will come and go before v5 is working stable in the majority of T3 installations
23:56 Phlogi timdeluxe: as I said... they need the changes NOW, or they can stop developing v5 already.. (ok that was little bit bad :D)
23:56 Phlogi fuchur: full ack
23:56 Phlogi timdeluxe: and hey it can't be that difficult to create categories for TER...
23:57 fuchur i'm "relatively" new to this ... I'm workin on T3 since 2007 now but some weeks ago I started to read all the docu (which wasn't that much :) ) and stuff about help developing t3
23:57 Phlogi timdeluxe: oh and docbook is fine... but can TER handle it?
23:57 Phlogi I guess... no
23:57 fuchur i wondred if it's worth jumping on v4 or if v4 will be outdated soon and it's better to focus on v5
23:57 fuchur for now i decided, i will not touch v5 at all
23:57 fuchur not yet
23:57 Phlogi fuchur: its worth staying with v4 but developing with ext Base when its ready
23:58 fuchur yep
23:58 fuchur i would love that
23:58 fuchur but flow3 and v5 all this stuff, it's just too early
23:58 Phlogi which one was that bug channel?
23:58 fuchur Phlogi #typo3-bugda
23:58 fuchur y
23:58 Phlogi fuchur: of course
23:58 fuchur Phlogi #typo3-bugday
23:58 Phlogi thx
23:58 fuchur welcome
23:58 timdeluxe Phlogi: so many points... should i really answer to everything?
23:59 fuchur and i hate ppl saying "on v5 ..." we had this discussion on UG meeting yesterday :D
23:59 fuchur "but on v5 this and on v5 that ..."
23:59 timdeluxe yeah, but look
23:59 Phlogi timdeluxe: no, no .. furthermore thats just the beginning :D

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