| 00:00 |
fuchur |
for me, as i'm relatively new, it sounds like the master-excuse for everything |
| 00:00 |
timdeluxe |
you could fix old code here and there to get it working to this and that |
| 00:00 |
Phlogi |
maybe I really will write an open letter some day... |
| 00:00 |
timdeluxe |
but sometimes you need to change the whole structure to future proof paradigms and so on |
| 00:00 |
Phlogi |
I mean thats maybe arrogant or something... but they need to wake up |
| 00:00 |
timdeluxe |
and that is what they do with v5. surely it is far away |
| 00:01 |
Phlogi |
and maybe the whole typo3 guys will hate me.. but I can deal with that :D |
| 00:02 |
HardPhuck |
what would be good if typo3 had some licences as for commercial projects |
| 00:02 |
HardPhuck |
not big ones |
| 00:02 |
Phlogi |
hmm I really don't think that money is the issue here.... |
| 00:02 |
Phlogi |
or maybe but on the bad side.... |
| 00:02 |
HardPhuck |
well why the hell don't they leave their day jobs then and only code for typo3? |
| 00:03 |
Phlogi |
its more that the core ppl don't get in touch with community.... |
| 00:03 |
Phlogi |
HardPhuck: if coding was the only problem.... |
| 00:03 |
Phlogi |
HardPhuck: coding is one little thing |
| 00:04 |
Phlogi |
HardPhuck: but the big community correcting the wiki, updating the extension manual continuously (because it might be in a damn wiki format one day) is more worth than you think |
| 00:04 |
Phlogi |
HardPhuck: I mean do forums only work because some devs are paid to help others? no |
| 00:04 |
Phlogi |
and the big problem of typo3 is not the code, its everything else, and the biggest issue is typo3.org |
| 00:05 |
Phlogi |
which - of course - almost every user of typo3 could fix, becasue we all are developing web sites... thats so ironice |
| 00:05 |
timdeluxe |
Phlogi: i could tell you plenty of things which i noticed by following the community, the events and so on... but i am too lazy |
| 00:05 |
timdeluxe |
its midnight here in my place |
| 00:06 |
Phlogi |
here too |
| 00:06 |
HardPhuck |
it's midnight here as well |
| 00:06 |
fuchur |
here too |
| 00:06 |
fuchur |
:-D |
| 00:06 |
Phlogi |
and I was walking in mountains the whole day... :D |
| 00:06 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: write them down... |
| 00:06 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: I guess the first thing is to really make everyone face the problems |
| 00:06 |
Phlogi |
including the big players like stucki and so on |
| 00:07 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: I mean we could collect all that... instead of creating an open letter... |
| 00:07 |
timdeluxe |
Phlogi: write me a mail then i will answer to everything i can say something |
| 00:07 |
Phlogi |
and create some solutions and like small jobs to fix this and that |
| 00:07 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: so you are with me? |
| 00:08 |
timdeluxe |
no :) |
| 00:08 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: good |
| 00:08 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: german? |
| 00:08 |
HardPhuck |
timdeluxe: are you a core developer? |
| 00:08 |
timdeluxe |
yep |
| 00:08 |
timdeluxe |
no |
| 00:08 |
Phlogi |
I mean the good thing is that we come from the community side... this should connect the community with the devs... so we don't try to just tell everything to those ppl but rather take some small steps to really achieve some goals maybe |
| 00:09 |
timdeluxe |
i just do follow the community a long time |
| 00:09 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: how long? |
| 00:09 |
timdeluxe |
hm? |
| 00:09 |
timdeluxe |
ah |
| 00:09 |
timdeluxe |
ehm |
| 00:09 |
timdeluxe |
good question |
| 00:10 |
Phlogi |
I guess here its like 3 or 4 years |
| 00:10 |
HardPhuck |
i've been following it for a year now, but it develop with T3 for about 6 |
| 00:10 |
timdeluxe |
i think since version 4.0 has started |
| 00:11 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: not bad :) |
| 00:11 |
Phlogi |
thats nice... |
| 00:11 |
Phlogi |
you know I followed a lot of other big open source projects... and know how they are doing and solving community issues |
| 00:14 |
Phlogi |
ok cu later guys... |
| 00:14 |
Phlogi |
I'm on holidays maybe soon, but after that we should check what we can do.. |
| 00:17 |
fuchur |
:-) |
| 00:17 |
fuchur |
you t3 coder and can afford holiday? |
| 00:17 |
fuchur |
something is wrong ... |
| 00:17 |
HardPhuck |
lol |
| 00:17 |
fuchur |
:p |
| 00:20 |
fuchur |
we have two devs here driving Audi RS3 :-D |
| 00:20 |
Phlogi |
fuchur: I'm not even a t3 full time coder... its more a hobby, I'm a student fyi |
| 00:20 |
fuchur |
ah k |
| 00:20 |
fuchur |
what do you study? |
| 00:21 |
Phlogi |
electrical engineering |
| 00:21 |
fuchur |
k |
| 00:21 |
Phlogi |
hmm what did I forget in my list... .D |
| 00:22 |
HardPhuck |
i'm a student and a full time coder :) |
| 00:22 |
fuchur |
mh |
| 00:22 |
fuchur |
i want to do that in some months |
| 00:22 |
fuchur |
start studying again |
| 00:22 |
Phlogi |
help me: http://pastebin.com/d79d23dc0 |
| 00:23 |
fuchur |
atm only fulltime coder :) |
| 00:24 |
HardPhuck |
yes, typo3.org needs to be redesigned as in user experience |
| 00:24 |
HardPhuck |
look at book.cakephp.org |
| 00:24 |
HardPhuck |
how nice is that! :) |
| 00:25 |
Phlogi |
HardPhuck: ok |
| 00:26 |
Phlogi |
added |
| 00:26 |
timdeluxe |
HardPhuck: look at http://flow3.typo3.org/documentation/manuals/flow3/ |
| 00:26 |
Phlogi |
:) |
| 00:26 |
timdeluxe |
how nice is that! :) |
| 00:26 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: created from docbook file? |
| 00:26 |
timdeluxe |
yep |
| 00:26 |
Phlogi |
looks ok, average not more :p |
| 00:27 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: why don't they look for volunteer to change the tsref to docbook? |
| 00:27 |
timdeluxe |
ask them |
| 00:27 |
HardPhuck |
also typo3.org should have semantic and valid markup |
| 00:27 |
HardPhuck |
that is just wrong |
| 00:27 |
Phlogi |
haha |
| 00:28 |
Phlogi |
did you know the worst typo3 site? Its typo3.org :D |
| 00:28 |
HardPhuck |
c'mon really how can a system which produces markup afford to be unvalid |
| 00:28 |
HardPhuck |
like spitting in own food |
| 00:28 |
Phlogi |
yehaa: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftypo3.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 |
| 00:28 |
Phlogi |
wow and some really, really BAD errors |
| 00:28 |
HardPhuck |
and also, all the big players are considering html5 |
| 00:29 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: you would send such a document to the core list or dev list? |
| 00:29 |
timdeluxe |
look into a sap enterprise portal, you will vomit, when you see the markup |
| 00:30 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: there are extensions the fix it quite easy.... |
| 00:30 |
Phlogi |
my markup rocks ;) |
| 00:30 |
timdeluxe |
Phlogi: neither nor, you need to adress different topics to different teams |
| 00:30 |
Phlogi |
of course my site is small and simple, but still |
| 00:30 |
HardPhuck |
yea but sap isn't a CMS |
| 00:30 |
timdeluxe |
there is no "the one" |
| 00:30 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: yeah, true... but if that has enough impact :S |
| 00:30 |
Phlogi |
I'm sure those teams are just sleeping :D |
| 00:31 |
timdeluxe |
HardPhuck: enterprise portal is it at my employer, they build the intranet with it |
| 00:31 |
Phlogi |
especially typo3.org team... I already reported some issues... |
| 00:31 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: Thats why I don't call those things enterprise... or thats why I hate this word |
| 00:32 |
timdeluxe |
yep, that is just the product name |
| 00:33 |
timdeluxe |
it is more down then up, and that is not due to the underlying OS i am administering |
| 00:33 |
fuchur |
i need an idea for a small extension just to show the style of code :) |
| 00:33 |
fuchur |
any ideas? |
| 00:34 |
fuchur |
something small but usefull? |
| 00:36 |
Phlogi |
fuchur: what kind of extension? |
| 00:36 |
fuchur |
frontend |
| 00:36 |
fuchur |
i hate backend development for everything is not working :D |
| 00:37 |
fuchur |
no link building, no templating, no nothing |
| 00:38 |
Phlogi |
I'm mean again: typo3.org has no issues: http://forge.typo3.org/projects/team-typo3org/issues?set_filter=1&tracker_id=1 |
| 00:39 |
timdeluxe |
wrong place, check http://bugs.typo3.org |
| 00:40 |
Phlogi |
laste change 164 days for TER |
| 00:40 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: hmm bugs.typo3.org sucks as well btw |
| 00:40 |
timdeluxe |
why? |
| 00:40 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: why do they allow to create issues on forge if its not the right place? |
| 00:41 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: becasue patches need to go through core list... too much overhead |
| 00:41 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: and it does not look like they are really care about the bugs |
| 00:41 |
timdeluxe |
maybe, i dont follow that exactly |
| 00:42 |
timdeluxe |
Phlogi: cause forge is new and not everybody can change to it at once |
| 00:42 |
Phlogi |
yeah ok |
| 00:43 |
timdeluxe |
it is a project question |
| 00:43 |
timdeluxe |
v5 uses forge only and all the bugs are there |
| 00:43 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: I just don't think that anyone would care at all if I open a ticket: Categorize extensions for TER :D |
| 00:44 |
Phlogi |
later guys |
| 00:45 |
timdeluxe |
Phlogi: there is already a request: http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=11479 |
| 00:46 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: yes, nothing happens and nothing will happen... I'm disappointed... |
| 00:47 |
Phlogi |
last change on TER code is 164 days ago... |
| 00:47 |
Phlogi |
I just don't think its realistic that anyone will implement that feature... |
| 00:47 |
timdeluxe |
then be the one to do it :) |
| 00:48 |
Phlogi |
yeah maybe.. |
| 00:48 |
Phlogi |
the problem is that I might never ever use typo3 again after a year :D so... maybe someone that could need the karma after he has done that should do it... |
| 00:48 |
Phlogi |
or pay me to do it for him, so he can profilate :D lol |
| 00:49 |
timdeluxe |
you need to code for typo3 to profilate? uhhhh |
| 00:50 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: why not... isn't that a good idea? :D |
| 00:50 |
Phlogi |
timdeluxe: its similar to just be a member and send money... |
| 00:50 |
Phlogi |
whatever... I'm of now, really... |
| 00:50 |
timdeluxe |
okay, byebye |
| 00:50 |
Phlogi |
you can still write if you like :) as I'm connected all the time |
| 00:51 |
timdeluxe |
ah okay |
| 00:51 |
HardPhuck |
cya Phlogi |
| 00:51 |
Phlogi |
HardPhuck: later man |
| 00:52 |
Phlogi |
oh and why the heck can't reporter close their bug reports??? Never seen such a stupid setting in any bugtracker¨ |
| 00:52 |
timdeluxe |
didn't you want to go off? ;) |
| 00:53 |
Phlogi |
:D just saw taht: http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=8297 |
| 00:53 |
Phlogi |
while closing some tabs... |
| 00:53 |
Phlogi |
bb |
| 00:57 |
fuchur |
:-D |
| 00:57 |
fuchur |
g8n |
| 00:57 |
fuchur |
gn8 |
| 00:57 |
fuchur |
when does bugday normally start? |
| 01:29 |
fuchur |
dman |
| 01:29 |
fuchur |
just started refacturing code a little |
| 01:29 |
fuchur |
why do ppl not stick to the cgls? |
| 01:31 |
timdeluxe |
good point :) |
| 01:31 |
timdeluxe |
dont know |
| 01:36 |
HardPhuck |
price of open source |
| 01:36 |
HardPhuck |
damn i'm working with Extjs |
| 01:36 |
HardPhuck |
powerful stuff |
| 01:37 |
HardPhuck |
i need to improve my javascript though |
| 01:38 |
fuchur |
mh, I'm trying to refactor lib_db |
| 01:38 |
fuchur |
this is ugly :D |
| 01:47 |
timdeluxe |
good night |
| 03:00 |
fuchur |
good night |
| 03:49 |
mquintus |
good night |
| 09:07 |
Research |
Hi everyone |
| 09:08 |
Research |
anybody knows how to create typolink in "ch_rterecords" extension |
| 09:19 |
sebar |
Aloha |
| 09:21 |
sebar |
Somebody knows a way to generate XML with typo3 |
| 09:24 |
sebar |
I need to have xml output for flash integration |
| 09:38 |
randomresult |
good morning |
| 09:39 |
randomresult |
i have a web with syslanguage id= 0 ... now i want to have a fallback to syslanguage id= 1 -- i tried config.sys_language_mode = content_fallback; 1,0 but it does not work... any ideas |
| 09:58 |
zed_devil |
i have the same problem, i tried the bug fix http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=6009 and there is also no change |
| 10:00 |
Bluespuke |
morning |
| 10:00 |
zed_devil |
hi |
| 10:12 |
enmerkar |
hi guys, any recommendations for tagging solutions? i'm currenty looking into tagpack. |
| 10:32 |
Bluespuke |
sr_feuser_register doesn't stores users on the root node, how could i make it into a storage folder? |
| 10:35 |
fuchur |
good morning |
| 10:35 |
Bluespuke |
hmmm, now it's working :s |
| 10:35 |
Bluespuke |
maybe a cache problem |
| 10:36 |
Bluespuke |
nevermind, never touch a running system ;-) |
| 11:00 |
zed_devil |
sorry for posting the second time but i really need a solution for config.sys_language_mode = content_fallback; 1,0 it not workin |
| 11:01 |
zed_devil |
i tried the bug patch and it's still the same |
| 11:21 |
kinea |
is it possible to format a datetime stamp to a readable format in typoscript? |
| 11:27 |
kinea |
ah ok found the date member of TEXT |
| 11:34 |
kinea |
hmm. but it gives me the days in the wrong language |
| 11:35 |
kraftb |
set config.locale = de_DE |
| 11:35 |
kraftb |
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale |
| 11:39 |
kinea |
ah also strftime = %A, %d.%B.%Y |
| 11:39 |
kinea |
nice |
| 11:39 |
kinea |
thx kraftb |
| 12:10 |
zed_devil |
hi i was workin on my typo3 an as i wanted to change TCEFORM.tt_content.header_layout.altLabels and saved i got a error TYPO3 Fatal Error: Extension key "sv" was NOT loaded! (t3lib_extMgm::extPath) |
| 12:10 |
zed_devil |
and nothing is working now i cant log to my typo3 |
| 12:10 |
zed_devil |
what can i do? |
| 12:11 |
zed_devil |
frontend error: Error: The main frontend extension "cms" was not loaded. Enable it in the extension manager in the backend. |
| 12:11 |
zed_devil |
but thats not possible |
| 12:32 |
HardPhuck |
zed_devil: use phpmyadmin to locate that code and remove it |
| 12:33 |
zed_devil |
ok thanks i give a try |
| 12:40 |
hvnqke_work |
I want to extend a backend module to give a link/button in the Extended tab that, when clicked, will create a new instance of another module |
| 12:40 |
hvnqke_work |
is that possible? |
| 12:41 |
hvnqke_work |
more specifically, I want to extend fe_users with a button that creates an entry in the Users That Can Login By IP sysfolder, which has a corresponding module for that purpose. |
| 12:41 |
adac |
Is it better to map templates in the normal way or with template voila? |
| 12:41 |
adac |
*templavoila |
| 12:42 |
hvnqke_work |
so when I click the user hvnqke, I want to go to Extended and click the button "create ip login", which then takes me to the creation of an ip login entry, with the fe_user id already entered in the corresponding input field |
| 12:43 |
HardPhuck |
what is the best way to mount webserver's filesystem on my computer |
| 12:44 |
HardPhuck |
to modify files as if they were local |
| 12:47 |
foertel |
depends on the OS you're using |
| 12:50 |
HardPhuck |
macos |
| 12:50 |
HardPhuck |
hey timdeluxe had a good sleep? :) |
| 12:52 |
zed_devil |
i got it here the way: login per FTP and delete all temps of localconf - then i renamed the last ext i installed and it works again |
| 12:52 |
zed_devil |
the ext was: danp_languagefallback_patch |
| 12:53 |
timdeluxe |
HardPhuck: oh yes :) |
| 12:53 |
timdeluxe |
zed_devil: take languagevisibility |
| 12:54 |
timdeluxe |
it includes the patch |
| 12:54 |
zed_devil |
ok thanks |
| 12:54 |
timdeluxe |
very good extension, saved me hours for my special case |
| 12:55 |
SmaxTheFrog |
hi when installing realurl 4 tables cant be createt - anythone knows about that ? (tx_realurl_pathcache,tx_realurl_chashcache,tx_realurl_urlencodecache,tx_realurl_urldecodecache) no solution manually installing them using phpymadmin works neither |
| 12:56 |
HardPhuck |
i don't think only 4 |
| 12:57 |
Research__ |
anybody knows how to create typolink in "ch_rterecords" extension? |
| 12:57 |
SmaxTheFrog |
these for ar named in ext manager |
| 12:57 |
timdeluxe |
SmaxTheFrog: if the extension cant create it by itself, than something is wrong with your installation |
| 12:57 |
timdeluxe |
what is the error msg? |
| 12:57 |
HardPhuck |
realurl installs 7 new tables actually |
| 12:58 |
SmaxTheFrog |
jep but these 4 fail |
| 12:58 |
bigbabou |
@SmaxTheFrog check if your MySQL supports InnoDB engine |
| 12:58 |
HardPhuck |
phlogi |
| 12:58 |
HardPhuck |
are you about? |
| 12:58 |
SmaxTheFrog |
bigbabou it does it seems a problem with table names - i used the same create table but only changed the table name to test and it works ?!? |
| 12:59 |
bigbabou |
SmaxTheFrog: did you try to create InnoDB table? |
| 12:59 |
SmaxTheFrog |
jes |
| 12:59 |
SmaxTheFrog |
yes |
| 13:00 |
SmaxTheFrog |
bigbabou as i said i took original sql string for creation and only changed the table name - creation works |
| 13:00 |
SmaxTheFrog |
bigbabou renaming the table afterworks doesnt work neither so there is a problem with the names |
| 13:01 |
bigbabou |
@SmaxTheFrog that is totally weird... if you can, flush all ^^ |
| 13:01 |
SmaxTheFrog |
hmm i will try in a new db first |
| 13:02 |
bigbabou |
table name couldn't ever be the problem ^^ /etc/init.d/mysql restart #ftw :) |
| 13:03 |
SmaxTheFrog |
bigbabou - is a problem with my db - in a new db it works - as if the tables excist but are not visible |
| 13:04 |
bigbabou |
@SmaxTheFrog that's why i suggested flush all (cache inconsistencies maybe) |
| 13:05 |
SmaxTheFrog |
bigbabou - which tables do you mean to flush ? |
| 13:06 |
bigbabou |
@SmaxTheFrog maybe i call it wrong. mom. |
| 13:07 |
bigbabou |
@SmaxTheFrog http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/flush.html |
| 13:09 |
SmaxTheFrog |
ah i understand thx |
| 13:12 |
bigbabou |
@SmaxTheFrog np. hth. |
| 13:16 |
foertel |
wow |
| 13:16 |
foertel |
typo3.org/extensions definetly needs paging :D |
| 13:19 |
pmk65 |
foertel: It needs a complete overhaul. The search sucks, download counter haven't worked for the last 8-9 months, the rating system is fucked, so its possible to rate the same ext several times.. extensions disappears from time to time. etc. |
| 13:19 |
foertel |
:-D |
| 13:21 |
pmk65 |
typo3.org is generally a bad example of TYPO3. (Doctype on typo3.org is HTML4, but the coreteam have decided that TYPO3 should only output XHTML. As a result there's several werrors/warnings on typo3.org) |
| 13:22 |
pmk65 |
Due to that stupid decision of forcing the output to XHTML, then TYPO3 can't create HTML5 output. |
| 13:25 |
Provito |
pmk65, typo3 can output what you like |
| 13:26 |
Provito |
I've just outputted valid html5 without any issues |
| 13:26 |
Provito |
you have to do a bit of work with parseRTE if you have wysiwyg created areas but overall there's nothing preventing you from outputting correct markup |
| 13:28 |
HardPhuck |
for everyone that doesn't know, there is #typo3-bugday open today |
| 13:29 |
Provito |
HardPhuck, I'd love to join in but under time pressures at the mo, good luck though |
| 13:29 |
sebar |
Aloha |
| 13:30 |
sebar |
How can I output XML with Typo3, is there a extension to use with TV, does anyone have some experience? |
| 13:30 |
sebar |
I need this to configure Flash movies |
| 13:30 |
Provito |
sebar, look into typeNum configuration of typoscript |
| 13:31 |
Provito |
you define a new page type, then if you have real url enabled you can map a url to a page type |
| 13:31 |
Provito |
once you have the page type configured you can disable the header information, add the additional headers etc |
| 13:32 |
Provito |
this will give you a hint: http://xavier.perseguers.ch/en/tutorials/typo3/configuration/rss-atom.html |
| 13:32 |
Provito |
sebar, for a flash xml I created a lib/div extension that parsed the TV elements using XPATH mysql 5.1 and generated a config.xml on the fly |
| 13:33 |
Bluespuke |
ok, maybe a stupid question but i never had to use it... how do i create a 404 page?? |
| 13:33 |
Provito |
create a page not found in your page tree, then in the config point the page not found settings to this page |
| 13:33 |
Provito |
config as in typo3 configuration |
| 13:34 |
Provito |
via the install tool |
| 13:34 |
pmk65 |
Provito: TYPO3 outputs everything in XHTML format, no matter what you set the doctype to. |
| 13:34 |
Provito |
pmk65, nope |
| 13:34 |
pmk65 |
A BR tag is always outputted as <br /> and not <br> |
| 13:35 |
SmaxTheFrog |
bigbabou flush didn´t change anything....merde |
| 13:35 |
sorenmalling |
How do I XCLASS SC_file_upload so i can upload more than 10 files at a time? |
| 13:35 |
Provito |
only if defined via parseRTE |
| 13:35 |
maholtz|WORK |
@Bluespuke: you can define one in install tool |
| 13:35 |
pmk65 |
it uses the XHTML shorthand notatiion for all tags |
| 13:35 |
sorenmalling |
I simply can't set the variables in the class |
| 13:36 |
foertel |
HardPhuck :-) |
| 13:36 |
sebar |
merci |
| 13:36 |
foertel |
you're so negative :D |
| 13:36 |
bigbabou |
@SmaxTheFrog that's a pity. something weird on your system huh? |
| 13:36 |
sebar |
Provito: Do you share this extension |
| 13:37 |
sebar |
? |
| 13:37 |
Provito |
sebar, I've only just written it I haven't yet shared it once I've got this project out I'll check out sharing it |
| 13:38 |
sebar |
okay |
| 13:38 |
Provito |
it's doable though but there's a bit of XPATH magic via extractpath |
| 13:41 |
pmk65 |
sebar: http://support.typo3.org/snippets/c/217/ |
| 13:41 |
SmaxTheFrog |
how can i define which page to "jump" to after login in with newloginbox ? |
| 13:43 |
pmk65 |
SmaxTheFrog: http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/sv_login_redirect/current/ |
| 13:44 |
pmk65 |
you could also try substituting newloginbox with this one http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/beko_improved_login/current/ |
| 13:45 |
SmaxTheFrog |
thx a lto pmk |
| 13:47 |
adac |
Is it better to map templates in the normal way or with tempvoila? What would you suggest me? |
| 13:49 |
Provito |
templavoila all the way |
| 13:49 |
maholtz|WORK |
if you need only a few columns i would not use templavoila |
| 13:50 |
bigbabou |
according to bug #0003900 i'm wondering about where the initial sql is located when i set up a new TYPO3... can somebody point out the path to that inital sql data please? |
| 13:52 |
HardPhuck |
foertel: not negative, realistic |
| 13:52 |
foertel |
i know i know |
| 13:52 |
foertel |
:p |
| 13:52 |
HardPhuck |
someone has to tell them community disagrees with their way of work |
| 13:52 |
HardPhuck |
i'm waiting for Phlogi to come |
| 13:53 |
foertel |
and then start another try? :) |
| 13:53 |
HardPhuck |
yes, but not on the bugchannel :) |
| 13:54 |
adac |
Provito, maholtz|WORK I see! thx |
| 13:54 |
maholtz|WORK |
@HardPhuck: what do you try? |
| 13:57 |
HardPhuck |
Phlogi mentioned an open letter to the core developers via mailing list |
| 14:01 |
bigbabou |
found it: t3lib/stddb/tables.sql |
| 14:03 |
zed_devil |
how can i add new headlines in RTE an tag them |
| 14:08 |
typo3agentur |
hi georg |
| 14:08 |
just2b |
hi |
| 14:08 |
just2b |
got no real name to use a company as nick? :D |
| 14:09 |
typo3agentur |
this is also my twitter-nick, which might be better known as my real name |
| 14:09 |
foertel |
:-) |
| 14:09 |
typo3agentur |
i'm sebastian gebhard |
| 14:09 |
foertel |
i changed my nick for today's bugday :D |
| 14:09 |
foertel |
for the people to assoc me with my list-mails |
| 14:09 |
foertel |
and vice versa |
| 14:10 |
just2b |
hehe it is always a shame .. everbody knows me and i forget everyone cause of so many |
| 14:10 |
foertel |
this a good thing :p |
| 14:10 |
just2b |
forgetting? |
| 14:11 |
foertel |
that everybody knows you :) |
| 14:11 |
just2b |
hm depends ;) |
| 14:11 |
foertel |
you have to watch out what you write or say :p |
| 14:12 |
foertel |
are you going to attend t3con? |
| 14:12 |
just2b |
me? nothing .. people are flooding me ;) |
| 14:12 |
foertel |
are ppl writing emails asking things about your extensions all the time? ^^ |
| 14:14 |
just2b |
yes all the time |
| 14:14 |
just2b |
"you are the last person who can help me" bla :D |
| 14:14 |
foertel |
lol ... that sucks ^^ |
| 14:15 |
just2b |
BUT there are also some other guys who step forward and say thanks .. this is always great ;) |
| 14:16 |
foertel |
okay :D |
| 14:16 |
foertel |
thank you |
| 14:16 |
foertel |
:-) |
| 14:16 |
just2b |
:D |
| 14:16 |
foertel |
for helping out in the typo3forum all the time :D |
| 14:16 |
foertel |
didn't need your help by now but time will comew |
| 14:16 |
foertel |
-w |
| 14:17 |
just2b |
hehe i do my best... btw forum is something different cause there i can say "oh i dont wanna do anything today... but people who send mails, ask in facebook, xing or even call in the company ... |
| 14:17 |
foertel |
rofl |
| 14:17 |
foertel |
that's hardcore |
| 14:19 |
just2b |
yeah it is ... one guy wrote a mail, i didnt answer cause i was at work, half hour later request in xing, and i dont add just everybody and some hours later he called ... wtf ^^ |
| 14:19 |
foertel |
probably it would be good to erase my mobile number from the mailing list before publishing any extensions |
| 14:19 |
foertel |
^^ |
| 14:20 |
SmaxTheFrog |
just2be - get a 0900 num,ber and let peaple pay for the service :) |
| 14:20 |
just2b |
i am in public telephone books and i am well known to google .. so not too hard .. but i deleted all emails in extensions |
| 14:20 |
just2b |
yeah this would be cool too but the prob is just > i have no time ... even for money I cant work for everyone |
| 14:21 |
foertel |
i wish i had this problem ^^ |
| 14:22 |
just2b |
i hate those small jobs anyway |
| 14:22 |
foertel |
yep |
| 14:22 |
just2b |
and rework even more |
| 14:22 |
foertel |
but the other side of the medal on big jobs just happened yesterday :( |
| 14:22 |
foertel |
if you have a big job planned due january |
| 14:22 |
foertel |
35hr/week |
| 14:23 |
foertel |
and then the customer cancles |
| 14:23 |
foertel |
mh |
| 14:23 |
typo3agentur |
i love small jobs :D "Could you code a little extension for our project".. and what you get is a version 3.6.1, corepatched, 100ext installed |
| 14:24 |
just2b |
typo3agentur got no prob with that > i do it on my system and it is clean code, so should work anywhere .. besides .. i can still choose ;) |
| 14:24 |
foertel |
"should" ^^ |
| 14:24 |
just2b |
hehe |
| 14:25 |
just2b |
and before doing a small crappy job which costs just many additional hours, i do now more for DAM |
| 14:25 |
foertel |
i write this in my invoices :) "approved to run on fresh 4.2.8 installation with php 5.2.9" |
| 14:25 |
foertel |
after i had the problem once ... extension worked just wonderful, customer changed anything, don't know what ... my extension stopped workin |
| 14:26 |
typo3agentur |
I'm just on a 2 month job.. that's my favorite size ;) |
| 14:26 |
foertel |
after weeks, just stopped workin :D |
| 14:26 |
foertel |
"we didn't change anything" |
| 14:26 |
foertel |
hmmm ... can't imagine :p |
| 14:26 |
just2b |
yeah 2 month is ok, me tool ;) |
| 14:27 |
just2b |
and doing things which i have never done before |
| 14:27 |
typo3agentur |
why do you all work on your own systems.. my customers always want me to code on their systems.. what do i do wrong? ^^ |
| 14:27 |
foertel |
mh i don't give the customer the choice :) |
| 14:27 |
just2b |
because I know my system or better i know that there is nothing hacked or done wrong |
| 14:27 |
typo3agentur |
THEY dont give ME the choice :D |
| 14:27 |
foertel |
if he wants to see progress every day I rsync my work every evening |
| 14:28 |
just2b |
of course I adapt things later on on their system but normal coding on my own |
| 14:28 |
just2b |
progress every day? lol |
| 14:28 |
foertel |
but developing on my own system ... mostly because I sometimes want to work on the road without internet so have to have everything locally := |
| 14:28 |
foertel |
:) |
| 14:28 |
foertel |
just2b ok every day did not happen yet :p but there are customers who want to see some progress from time to time |
| 14:29 |
just2b |
yeah i understand .. as long as it is not a control freak meachinsm |
| 14:29 |
foertel |
mh i think a minimum of control is allowed when paying per hours :) |
| 14:29 |
foertel |
if i were the customer i would love to see where my money goes :D |
| 14:30 |
just2b |
i do no hour jobs ;) |
| 14:30 |
typo3agentur |
"i've been checking your extension files for the last 6 hours, why were there no updates in /pi1?? Can we still take it before the deadline?" :d |
| 14:30 |
just2b |
and i hate deadlines ;) |
| 14:30 |
foertel |
hr hr |
| 14:30 |
foertel |
i hate deadlines but i love hourly rates |
| 14:30 |
just2b |
they should have asked some weeks earlier |
| 14:31 |
just2b |
but I love some projects where eeach minute is imporant even more ;) |
| 14:31 |
zed_devil |
cu guys |
| 14:31 |
typo3agentur |
That's always the problem.. just 15 minutes ago a got a call "I need a website, how fast can you be?" |
| 14:31 |
just2b |
e.g. being live with a website and it is really slow or deadlines which are soo important... or high traffic websites :D |
| 14:32 |
foertel |
mh but when it comes down to pay the bill the customers DO have more then enough time :D |
| 14:32 |
just2b |
i dont have those :D |
| 14:33 |
typo3agentur |
these and those.. |
| 14:33 |
foertel |
sad enough at the moment i have noone payin the bills :p |
| 14:33 |
foertel |
have to hunt some new customers for september ... |
| 14:33 |
foertel |
damn it |
| 14:33 |
just2b |
but you did work for someone? that sucks |
| 14:33 |
foertel |
mh i think i get the work paid |
| 14:34 |
foertel |
but the project was planned due january and yesterday the customer cancled to 01.09. |
| 14:34 |
just2b |
this is bad |
| 14:34 |
typo3agentur |
next time make a contract until the end of the project |
| 14:34 |
just2b |
i could give a magento project away |
| 14:35 |
just2b |
customer always deletes my test products and says "i dont want this" and asks in the same mail "why is this and that not finished" but how could I if no products are there |
| 14:35 |
foertel |
*g* |
| 14:35 |
foertel |
yep ... i planned 35 hrs / weeks for the project and from now one it's missing :) |
| 14:36 |
foertel |
i hate situations where you HAVE to get new customers :) |
| 14:36 |
typo3agentur |
*g* @ products |
| 14:36 |
typo3agentur |
yes felix, i fell with you.. i was in that situation for about 1 month |
| 14:36 |
typo3agentur |
feel |
| 14:37 |
foertel |
it's much better to already have enough customers and then deal with some new :) |
| 14:39 |
typo3agentur |
i don't know, but don't you think you should also offer integration? |
| 14:39 |
just2b |
who what ? |
| 14:40 |
typo3agentur |
felix |
| 14:40 |
typo3agentur |
he only develops exts |
| 14:40 |
foertel |
yeah i think developing devs is very special ... the very most customers don't need that :( |
| 14:41 |
foertel |
the only potential customers are full service agencies not able (or willing) to develop on their own |
| 14:41 |
just2b |
i would never do anything different .. either just exts or a full service |
| 14:41 |
typo3agentur |
i also do a lot of ext development, but mostly i get whole projects and i have to do also xhtml/css and typo3 integration |
| 14:41 |
just2b |
foertel which is not good in any case IMO |
| 14:41 |
foertel |
mh for now it's perfect as i hate consumers ^^ |
| 14:42 |
foertel |
i love to work with agencies, cause (mostly) they know what good work is worth and they are much more professional, know what they want |
| 14:42 |
foertel |
ok ... probably mostly has to be replaced with sometimes :D |
| 14:43 |
just2b |
hgehe |
| 14:43 |
typo3agentur |
yes, i only work for agencies now.. when i get a consumer request i recommend one of my agencies to them |
| 14:43 |
just2b |
but are those many who can afford this? |
| 14:43 |
foertel |
just2b normally the agencies offer ext.-coding to the customer and i charge 45/hr and they charge the customer 65/hr |
| 14:43 |
foertel |
^^ |
| 14:44 |
typo3agentur |
minium @ 65 |
| 14:44 |
typo3agentur |
minimum |
| 14:44 |
just2b |
hehe yeah minimum :D |
| 14:44 |
foertel |
grr |
| 14:44 |
foertel |
i understand :p |
| 14:44 |
foertel |
sad enough |
| 14:44 |
foertel |
^^ |
| 14:44 |
just2b |
but dont forget the PM which is pain in ass |
| 14:45 |
just2b |
and dealing with the customers |
| 14:45 |
typo3agentur |
yes, and the 200inch screen in the meeting room :D |
| 14:45 |
foertel |
yeah but PM is charged additionally |
| 14:45 |
just2b |
^^ |
| 14:45 |
just2b |
still |
| 14:45 |
foertel |
mh that's why i love to just develope and work for agencies ... i don't have to to care of customers |
| 14:46 |
foertel |
45/hr is ok for me, for I don't get disturbed outside 10 am - 5 pm :D |
| 14:46 |
foertel |
if i have a question, the agency (most likely) can answer it fast |
| 14:46 |
just2b |
yes, no urgent calls at weekends |
| 14:47 |
typo3agentur |
ok guya, i'm afk.. the "how fast can you be?"project just hit my inbox |
| 14:47 |
typo3agentur |
guys |
| 14:47 |
foertel |
i worked for consumers before ... pain in the ass :) "mh do it this way or that way?" - "uhm ... way a ... no ... wait way b" (15 minutes later on the phone) "uhm ... way a ... but ... wait ... i don't understand what's the difference between a and b" |
| 14:47 |
foertel |
aaargs |
| 14:47 |
foertel |
:-D |
| 14:47 |
typo3agentur |
lol felix |
| 14:48 |
SmaxTheFrog |
:) |
| 14:48 |
foertel |
just2b at least if an agency calls me on the weekend I get paid for it :) |
| 14:48 |
just2b |
that is why i choose my customers .. got 3 or 4 or so ;) |
| 14:48 |
foertel |
consumers call this "service" |
| 14:48 |
SmaxTheFrog |
moin sebastian gebhard this is dirk krause from husum, i think we met in dd concerning commerce projekt :) |
| 14:48 |
foertel |
lol |
| 14:48 |
foertel |
another one from husum |
| 14:49 |
foertel |
now your three ^^ |
| 14:49 |
SmaxTheFrog |
who else ? |
| 14:49 |
foertel |
jochen fröhlich also lives and works in husum |
| 14:49 |
hvnqke_work |
husum in what country? |
| 14:49 |
foertel |
i worked in husum some time ago ... at theodor schäfer bildungswerk |
| 14:49 |
typo3agentur |
ah, hi dirk |
| 14:49 |
typo3agentur |
germany, sh |
| 14:49 |
SmaxTheFrog |
ah sebastion your from former pirates |
| 14:49 |
hvnqke_work |
orite. there's a husum in DK too. |
| 14:50 |
typo3agentur |
Forget about them, dirk :D |
| 14:50 |
typo3agentur |
and one in the usa :D |
| 14:50 |
SmaxTheFrog |
jep |
| 14:50 |
just2b |
btw >http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/song-chart-memes-retail-customer.jpg?w=504&h=263 |
| 14:50 |
just2b |
:D |
| 14:51 |
typo3agentur |
where did we meet? |
| 14:51 |
typo3agentur |
i do not remember, right now |
| 14:51 |
foertel |
just2b nice :) do you know the video "webdesign customers in real live"? |
| 14:51 |
foertel |
it's too funny and true ! |
| 14:51 |
typo3agentur |
i know, i met you once, when i worked at friesenanzeiger, but i was not a real typo3 guy yet |
| 14:53 |
foertel |
customers in real life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI3Df7-KFtw |
| 14:53 |
foertel |
so true |
| 14:53 |
just2b |
yeah i know it |
| 14:54 |
foertel |
you head the filet - yeah ... cow |
| 14:54 |
foertel |
^^ |
| 14:55 |
SmaxTheFrog |
yep there we met |
| 14:55 |
SmaxTheFrog |
i mixed st. up |
| 14:57 |
typo3agentur |
Arrgh.. "TYPO3 is pre-installed and you get SSH access".. now none of that.. now i have to install TYPO3 via FTP, arg! |
| 14:59 |
typo3agentur |
When a project starts like that.. how will it end!? |
| 14:59 |
foertel |
why? ssh is a good thing :D |
| 14:59 |
SmaxTheFrog |
foertel rofl to the youtube vid |
| 14:59 |
SmaxTheFrog |
typo3agentur it will not end :) |
| 14:59 |
foertel |
SmaxTheFrog the one comment got it "too close to home to be funny" |
| 14:59 |
foertel |
^^ |
| 15:00 |
SmaxTheFrog |
jep lots of truth in ther |
| 15:00 |
typo3agentur |
i guess their cheap-hoster has not enabled ssh access -.- |
| 15:01 |
SmaxTheFrog |
typo3agentur i dont either if they host on my server, but it pre install typo3 for them |
| 15:01 |
SmaxTheFrog |
are they on my server .) ? |
| 15:01 |
typo3agentur |
if you deliver pre-installed typo3 that might be ok.. but installing it via ftp sucks |
| 15:02 |
typo3agentur |
because i can not untar it online, i have to extract it local and transfer 1 billion files |
| 15:04 |
Bluespuke |
rofl foertel :D |
| 15:06 |
foertel |
lol |
| 15:06 |
maholtz|WORK |
offtopic: on mac there are extended attributes, i can see them via ls -l@ filename, but how can i remove them? |
| 15:08 |
foertel |
offtopic of offtopic: i love mac |
| 15:08 |
foertel |
^^ |
| 15:08 |
just2b |
i love open source |
| 15:08 |
just2b |
;) |
| 15:10 |
foertel |
I'm still searchin for a small extension to show style of code to potential customers :) |
| 15:11 |
typo3agentur |
oh ingo is here.. quick.. hurry to the bugtracker! |
| 15:11 |
typo3agentur |
we did a lot of work since you've been away! :D |
| 15:27 |
HardPhuck |
how can i stdWrap something if the field is not empty |
| 15:30 |
maholtz|WORK |
stdWrap.if.isTrue.current = 1 (?) |
| 15:30 |
maholtz|WORK |
ups |
| 15:31 |
maholtz|WORK |
stdWrap.if.isTrue.field = fieldname |
| 15:31 |
maholtz|WORK |
stdWrap.wrap ... |
| 15:42 |
HardPhuck |
.if.isTrue.wrap = (|) |
| 15:42 |
HardPhuck |
will this work? |
| 15:42 |
maholtz|WORK |
nope |
| 15:42 |
HardPhuck |
url_stdWrap { |
| 15:42 |
maholtz|WORK |
stdWrap.wrap = (|) |
| 15:43 |
maholtz|WORK |
stdWrap.if.isTrue.field = fieldnaem |
| 15:43 |
maholtz|WORK |
because if defines if stdWrap should be rendered or not |
| 15:43 |
maholtz|WORK |
if not wrap will not get executed |
| 15:43 |
maholtz|WORK |
otherwise it will |
| 15:44 |
HardPhuck |
great, it works, thanx |
| 15:54 |
foertel |
mh anything new about certification for ext. devs yet? |
| 16:03 |
maholtz|WORK |
you could start with cert integrator |
| 16:04 |
maholtz|WORK |
if there a lot of certificated integrators, they will be motivated to start an certification for devs |
| 16:06 |
foertel |
mh but integrator is not interesting for me :( |
| 16:30 |
maholtz|WORK |
@foertel: well, perhaps it fits not directly but it is better than nothing |
| 16:30 |
foertel |
but it does not fit at all :) |
| 16:30 |
foertel |
probably i will do it when it's offered on an event i attend anyways |
| 16:31 |
maholtz|WORK |
on the last dev days it was, i would excpect on t3con too, it was on some typo3camps... |
| 16:32 |
foertel |
yep ... t3dd10 at the latest ^^ |
| 16:38 |
Bluespuke |
have a nice weekend @ all |
| 16:38 |
just2b |
you too |
| 16:38 |
just2b |
i am leaving to munich ;) |
| 16:39 |
foertel |
mh |
| 16:39 |
foertel |
there are some days left till t3camp :p |
| 16:39 |
just2b |
yeah i will come for them too |
| 16:39 |
just2b |
;) |
| 16:39 |
foertel |
i don't know ... i would love to, but i have to decide wether camp or t3con ^^ |
| 16:42 |
just2b |
t3con doesnt interest me |
| 16:42 |
just2b |
a bit too much business ... |
| 16:42 |
just2b |
would love to have a t3board next week |
| 16:42 |
just2b |
gg |
| 16:42 |
foertel |
yeah heard that before |
| 16:42 |
foertel |
business would not be all that bad :p |
| 16:43 |
just2b |
right but no interesting for me |
| 16:44 |
foertel |
;) |
| 16:44 |
foertel |
lucky one |
| 16:48 |
just2b |
money comes and goes and developing is more fun .D |
| 16:48 |
foertel |
mh |
| 16:49 |
foertel |
money goes faster then it comes and without money no development :) |
| 16:49 |
just2b |
hehe have been a lucky one and hardly need moeny and I am soo fast that i can develop for fun still for couple hours g |
| 16:50 |
foertel |
i have to feed my family and what's worse pay my wife's shopping ^^ |
| 16:50 |
foertel |
ergo i can never work enough ... |
| 16:51 |
just2b |
:D no kids, no car, no tv or internet to pay ;) |
| 16:51 |
just2b |
dont smoke, dont go out too much ;) |
| 16:51 |
foertel |
mh |
| 16:51 |
foertel |
sounds boring :p |
| 16:52 |
foertel |
the advantage of coding all day :P lower living cost |
| 16:53 |
just2b |
DAM is not boring :D |
| 16:53 |
just2b |
writing a new workspace module - not boring ;) |
| 16:54 |
foertel |
if i had no wife i would move to cambodia |
| 16:54 |
foertel |
i would sit on the beach in front of my beachhouse (which is cheap there) coding all day :) |
| 16:54 |
just2b |
hehe spend 2 weeks in thailand coding ;) |
| 16:54 |
foertel |
spent 1 year in cambodia |
| 16:55 |
foertel |
working volunteering in an orphanage |
| 16:55 |
just2b |
and travelling, scuba diving ;) |
| 16:55 |
just2b |
and did a typo3 workshop in bangkok ;) |
| 16:55 |
foertel |
did you visit lisandy? |
| 16:55 |
just2b |
@ unesco ;) |
| 16:55 |
foertel |
ah ok |
| 16:55 |
just2b |
yes |
| 16:55 |
foertel |
yeah heard something like this ... travelling and coding ^^ |
| 16:56 |
just2b |
anyway, I need to leave now ;) |
| 16:56 |
foertel |
have a good trip |
| 16:56 |
just2b |
so have a nice weekend - i need to visit customers :D |
| 16:56 |
foertel |
yeah you too |
| 17:07 |
typo3agentur |
he has to need customers? i think he does that all for fun? :D |
| 17:07 |
typo3agentur |
need = visit |
| 17:12 |
foertel |
:) |
| 17:53 |
foertel |
mh, t3lib_div::loadTCA('fe_users') loads the normal fields, how to load fields extended by other extensions? |
| 17:54 |
foertel |
i need the hole config for table fe_users in my extension :) |
| 17:58 |
foertel |
accessing GLOBALS['TCA'][table_name] but does somehow not contain columns |
| 18:18 |
kraftb |
try: t3lib_div::loadTCA(); before |
| 18:18 |
kraftb |
or $GLOBALS['TSFE']->includeTCA(); |
| 18:19 |
foertel |
mh loadTCA() needs an argument |
| 18:19 |
kraftb |
yes |
| 18:19 |
foertel |
if i give "fe_users" |
| 18:19 |
foertel |
it just loads the original fields, not the extended |
| 18:19 |
kraftb |
if it does not contain "any" columns, use includeTCA(); |
| 18:19 |
kraftb |
it should load any ... |
| 18:19 |
kraftb |
altough t3lib_div::loadTCA(); should load any fields |
| 18:19 |
kraftb |
extra fields. |
| 18:20 |
foertel |
in [column] there are only the normal fields, no extras |
| 18:20 |
kraftb |
strange ... |
| 18:20 |
foertel |
[fe_admin_fieldList] contains the extra fields |
| 18:20 |
foertel |
but only names ... no config |
| 18:21 |
kraftb |
you can try includeTCA() anyways - it includes all config |
| 18:22 |
kraftb |
if it doesn't work I would have to look --> but no time |
| 18:27 |
foertel |
ok includeTCA() does the job but it's horrible slow |
| 19:12 |
enmerkar |
hrm, does somebody know how to test if a translation exists in typo3conf/ext/vge_tagcloud/pi1/class.tx_vgetagcloud_pi1.php ? Or should i check in typoscript? |
| 19:13 |
enmerkar |
oops |
| 19:13 |
enmerkar |
i meant typo3/sysext/cms/tslib/media/scripts/example_languageMenu.php |
