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00:03 nkuttler Awillys: btw, if you already have an sso solution, why not simply force registration to be always for one of the two apps?
01:31 ries Awillys: we used to do that with ldap... but got rid of it later
01:31 ries we actually grabbed a external user and then created a user in ldap and local typo3 DB
09:09 skurfuerst good morning everybody
09:10 dec__ morning
09:36 maholtz|WORK helau
09:50 d|g hi all
10:13 LionRock hi
10:14 LionRock http://pastebin.com/d7dc69f4d
10:15 LionRock I have this to remove p tags etc. But when I try to view single news item there is no link etc. SO every tags are removed. And now I want to turn on this. How would I do that ?
10:19 maholtz|WORK didnt have an look - but usually parseFunc does link rendering
10:20 maholtz|WORK displaySingle.parseFunc < lib.parseFunc_RTE
10:22 LionRock maholtz|WORK, works ;) Thanks!
10:23 maholtz|WORK np:)
10:30 blukrutt hey guys, how are you
10:30 skurfuerst hey :) good, thanks
10:30 blukrutt do you know any FE extension who is able to let users send emails via webmail? like a webmail extension for FE, and BE configuration able?
10:31 blukrutt i just found stupid extensions. worse than alpha
10:43 blukrutt mh, no expirience with webmail in typo3? :(
10:48 maholtz|WORK nope
10:56 Guschtel hi, can so tell me how to get typo3 to make correct links for multiple domains? I enabled typolinkEnableLinksAcrossDomains but it still omits one url part. It gives links like /index.php?id=42 instead of /foo/index.php?id=42 - /foo/ needs to be part of the url
11:00 Guschtel $this->lastTypoLinkUrl = $this->URLqMark('http://'.$tCR_domain.'/index.php?id='.$page['uid'],$addQueryParams).$sectionMark; <- thats in the code, can that be? imho thats plain wrong
11:03 Guschtel I've made a workaround by putting the www.example.com/foo as the domain
11:11 dexcs hi all!
11:13 dexcs Question: T have a Teaser with inheritance. Then an sysfolder who breaks the inheritance. How can i disable this behaviour?
11:15 HardPhuck hey all
11:39 Rickard Is simple.htaccess from the misc-directory meant for realurl?
11:58 HardPhuck no
11:58 HardPhuck but you can use it :)
11:59 HardPhuck realurl has it's own .htaccess provided
12:06 Rickard Ah, ok. Thanks.
12:15 [Francesco] hi, am i the only one experiencing problem in the extension search engine on typo3.org ?
12:15 [Francesco] he did not find a lot of entry that yesterday and the other past days i found
12:15 [Francesco] *entries
12:24 maholtz|WORK total_time_stundensatz1
12:24 maholtz|WORK ups
12:24 maholtz|WORK http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?no_cache=1
12:25 maholtz|WORK i meant:)
12:25 maholtz|WORK so, sumetimes it is helpfull to add no_cache=1
12:25 NublaII I have the skin_grey enable for the whole site, is there a way of setting the default skin to just one user?
12:25 maholtz|WORK :(
12:37 tux_ Hi, why mm_forum is no longer available on the TER ?
12:41 maholtz|WORK i would assume, that ter has some troubles
12:43 tux_ arg :)
12:44 No5251 hi
12:45 No5251 is it possible to set a redirect in typoscript?
12:45 No5251 ... without a meta refresh
12:55 Alban_ hello folks :-). Question : does anyone have a clue on how to reset thumbnails cache / generation
12:58 [Francesco] in the install tool
13:09 Alban_ yes I have been playing with the install tool. My imagemagick tests are fine, but thumbnails don't get generated. This is weird.
13:09 Alban_ gd test work also
13:12 Alban_ I have to go to eat. c u later.
13:23 maholtz|WORK @No5251: yep, is possible - have an loot at snippets.typo3.org
13:23 maholtz|WORK @Alban_: check write permissions - first entry on install tool
13:26 NublaII I'm trying to randomize the news I see on the main page (using tt_news)
13:27 NublaII but when I select "order by" randomize I get tru random... is there a way to just randomize the latest 4 (that's what I have selected on the plugin)
13:28 maholtz|WORK so you want to display only one?
13:28 maholtz|WORK from the latest 4?
13:28 maholtz|WORK i would think it is possible with typoscript - but not easy
13:28 NublaII no, I mean show 4 (latest 4)
13:29 NublaII but randomize the order only on those 4
13:29 maholtz|WORK random the order?
13:29 NublaII yeah: like 1 2 3 4, then 4 2 3 1, then 2 3 1 4
13:29 maholtz|WORK i do not think that it is possible out of the box
13:30 NublaII but the iteration is done within those 4
13:30 maholtz|WORK they do not change over time?
13:31 NublaII I update the site every week more or less
13:31 NublaII but I would like to have a little more rotation on the main page
13:31 NublaII but only the latest ones, not all of them
13:32 maholtz|WORK you want randomize the latest 4 elements of tt_news...
13:32 maholtz|WORK it should be possible this way:
13:32 NublaII yeah
13:32 maholtz|WORK use 4 tt_news plugin
13:32 maholtz|WORK s
13:32 maholtz|WORK every plugin show only one news (latest, latest-1, latest-2, latest-3)
13:32 NublaII with list StartId
13:32 NublaII ?
13:33 maholtz|WORK something like that, you can read it in the manual how it works
13:33 NublaII mmm... I wonder how's that gonna hit the server...
13:33 NublaII I'll give it a go, tnx ;)
13:34 maholtz|WORK and than randomize the records - you should be able to find something in snippets.typo3.org how to randomize them
13:34 maholtz|WORK sorry, du not understand: "gonna hit the server"
13:34 NublaII for tt_news plugins on a single page?
13:38 HardPhuck anyone has UR to a good tutorial for editors?
13:38 HardPhuck URL even
13:38 maholtz|WORK @NublaII: 4 plugins on one page, yes:)
13:39 maholtz|WORK @HardPhuck: there is a german book http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/typo3redakteureger/
13:40 maholtz|WORK and afaik there are some video tutorials on typo3.org somewhere
13:40 HardPhuck need in english
13:41 HardPhuck i found something on th wiki but forgot the URL
13:41 maholtz|WORK you should be able than to search there?
13:41 HardPhuck found it :)
13:41 maholtz|WORK if you found, please paste the url here *g*
13:41 maholtz|WORK great:)
13:41 HardPhuck http://wiki.typo3.org/Typo3_tut
13:49 jochke Anyone who can help me with some ts for a page? I like to restrict access to a page with ip. It's a bit like this one: http://alturl.com/466 But I can't get the code to work that Bernd posted. I have placed it in ts for the page.
13:50 maholtz|WORK did you read the docs?
13:50 maholtz|WORK does [IP = ] exists?
13:52 jochke maholtz|WORK: Yes it does: http://alturl.com/469
13:54 maholtz|WORK so show us your code
13:55 maholtz|WORK you get allways content or allways error message?
13:55 NublaII maholtz: the 4 plugins doesn't seem to work...
13:56 maholtz|WORK why not? does one work?
13:56 maholtz|WORK so should do 4
13:58 drindt hello i have a question about the cross scripting vulnerability, i probably victim from it and have now weird behavior on the page, how to remove or get more detailed information to trace back what the attacker had change on the page?
13:59 NublaII apparently the 'ramdon' part happens before you select the elements
13:59 maholtz|WORK which cross scripting? the latest afaik depends on backend
13:59 maholtz|WORK @NublaII: you are right
14:00 maholtz|WORK because you have 4 different randoms...
14:00 maholtz|WORK everything else seems to be more difficult
14:00 NublaII so, I can select 'What to display: LATEST', but the moment I select random... it doesn't matter
14:00 NublaII yeah...
14:01 NublaII I'm going to lunch... I'll try to figure out something else later ;)
14:01 NublaII tnx :)
14:01 drindt maholtz|WORK: http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8038
14:01 maholtz|WORK thats not cross site scripting
14:01 maholtz|WORK its the juHash thing
14:01 maholtz|WORK whats your website?
14:02 drindt maholtz|WORK: the page i told above contains some characters in the html output i cant verfify from where they are come
14:02 drindt maholtz|WORK: /notice kaminstube.de
14:02 drindt wah fuck :D
14:03 maholtz|WORK you updated your site?
14:03 drindt maholtz|WORK: yes
14:04 drindt maholtz|WORK: it is now 4.2.6
14:04 maholtz|WORK you could look up into logifle, if someone has used that exploit
14:04 drindt can you tell me for what signs expressions i should take a look?
14:04 maholtz|WORK jumpurl=
14:05 maholtz|WORK and check TYPO3 log (be-modul) who had logged in the last days
14:05 maholtz|WORK well, if i clear the page cache there are no ? anymore
14:06 maholtz|WORK perhaps someone has played around a little bit?
14:06 drindt the cache i deleted but the ? are still there
14:06 drindt no
14:06 maholtz|WORK add ?no_cache=1
14:06 maholtz|WORK perhaps you have an extension for "code optimization" installed?
14:07 drindt with no_cache it is away
14:07 drindt probably the cached tidy module
14:07 maholtz|WORK yep, so it is not rendered by default...
14:07 drindt how to throw this cache away?
14:07 maholtz|WORK no, not the cache is the problem
14:08 drindt what then?
14:08 maholtz|WORK find a extension which makes that
14:10 jochke maholtz|WORK: http://paste.phlogi.net/-110211fce1/ I actually have no idea if it's just a little right. :)
14:10 drindt maholtz|WORK: you think that problem is a result from tidy?
14:10 jochke I have put the code in the page ts
14:10 maholtz|WORK perhaps
14:15 ndee #typo3
14:16 ndee oops. I defined a header on each page with lib.header = COA_INT etc. How can I remove that on one single page? I tried lib.header < but it still shows the header.
14:18 ndee hah, it was lib.header >
14:19 gehdan hi, wired problem. I have a custem tt_news template und use that via TS-configuration of plugin.tt_news. Somehow it works perfectly for the latest-news, but news-list and single-news seems to still use the old template file. Any ideas why that is?
14:25 gehdan if I delete the template usinf plugin.tt_news.templateFile > i loose the latest-news (that's what I would expect), but keep list- and single view i'm totaly %)
14:26 maholtz|WORK @jochke: what is the result - you get allways " you are not allowed" or allwas the content?
14:26 maholtz|WORK and you need [end]
14:26 maholtz|WORK @gehdan: check that in objectbrowser
14:27 gehdan I did, it's using my template fle
14:27 maholtz|WORK i would assume you changed values at the wrong place (think about how typoscript will put together)
14:28 gehdan if only I'd know where I should have changed something in different places.. I'm only using the setup-part of my template and tt_news is yet the only extension
14:29 maholtz|WORK @gehdan: check the plugins - perhaps you entered there an template
14:29 gehdan you mean the plugin-config in the extension manager?
14:32 gehdan no, obviously not :)
14:33 gehdan maholtz|WORK, thanks, that's it
14:34 maholtz|WORK :)
14:39 [Francesco] i'm founding a problem about xhtml stric validation with htmlaera. Htmlare insert IMG tag without the closing slash. I mean, it's ">" and not "/>"
14:47 gehdan maholtz|WORK, any idea how I can give my first news-item in the list a special header (e.g. the normal css class .csc-first-header)
15:00 maholtz|WORK @gehdan: you could use two plugins - there is a scenario in the manual
15:00 maholtz|WORK for that
15:02 gehdan ah, ok, yeah I remember, thanks, I'l try that, thought it might be possible to do that with TS
15:13 gehdan gaaaa
15:13 gehdan do you guys/girls still code for IE lte 6? :)
15:15 maholtz|WORK i think it would be possible with typoscript use an counter and change header bug the most who ask here do not know LOAD_REGISTER f.e.
15:16 dinsdale07 depends on your visitors @ gehdan. if you have many IE6 visitors and you don't optimize for them they have a worst experience.
15:17 gehdan well they do have worst experience, they are using IE 6 ;)
15:17 gehdan I'm just trying o use floating news-images, but clear:both then kills my 3-column-layout
15:17 maholtz|WORK no, they even do not understand that ie6 is very old
15:18 dinsdale07 true - I actually started spitting out a mesage to ie6 users that they should upgrade or change to firefox in the header.
15:19 gehdan I plan to do that, too ;)
15:19 maholtz|WORK anyone does that on commercial sites?
15:20 gehdan or to remove every css-hack so that the site really sucks and overlay it with the message: This layout was brought to you by Microsoft IE X ;)
15:20 maholtz|WORK would not work imo
15:21 dinsdale07 it's on a community site where I actually present a service to the user. I wouldn't do that on a company website unless the client asks for it.
15:22 dinsdale07 bad businessmodel to first convince the client that he is outdated and then try to conduct business :-)
15:22 mangan Hello everybody, did anyone experience while formatting content with .date or .strftime the date always is 1.1.1970?
15:23 maholtz|WORK sounds that the content is empty or 0
15:24 mangan thx maholtz, I thought the same, but when I remove .date or .strftime it is displayed correctly
15:24 maholtz|WORK perhaps wrong definition?
15:25 dinsdale07 I remember a bug along those lines - is this supposed to be a new feature in 4.2?
15:26 ndee which RTE-editor is the "best-practice" one if I can calli t like that?
15:26 maholtz|WORK rte htmlarea
15:27 ndee ok, so I will use that one in the future :)
15:27 maholtz|WORK what did you use before?
15:27 maholtz|WORK tinymce?
15:27 ndee tinyrte, which was quite ok
15:27 maholtz|WORK if you have no problems, why change?
15:27 ndee easy configuration.
15:28 ndee well to be honest, I sometimes use tinymce, tinyrte and htmlarea :D
15:28 ndee totally depends on my modd haha
15:28 ndee s/modd/mood
15:55 ndee can it be that typo3.org has some problems at the moment?
15:55 ndee the pages load extremly slow.
15:59 maholtz|WORK yep
16:22 mangan hi maholtz: I confirm: .date and .strftime need content to work ... the problem now is the condition: only render as date if content is there: I tried a lot with if. and case but won't get it right: anyone has a snippet?
16:22 Rickard Argh! Has anyone managed to get realurl working on a Windows machine? I'm trying to use the open source Ionics Isapi Rewrite Filter for IIS, but it just won't fly.
16:32 dinsdale07 sry - some crosstalk but anyone uses eclipse on ubuntu 8.10? My workspace gets stuck with an empty window upon start.
16:37 maholtz|WORK @mangan: show us your typoscript
17:03 ndee some customers....
17:04 ndee if someone wants a flat rate for a project, does he need to know the hours that are behind it?
17:04 nkuttler ndee: does he ask?
17:04 ndee nkuttler: yes, he wants the flat rate + the amount of time that I will need to do an extension.
17:05 maholtz|WORK well, if you are to cheap or to expensive, he could look for another programmer...
17:05 nkuttler ndee: well, give him an estimate.
17:06 nkuttler thing is, people are clueless how much time is needed and that developer X can do someting in one day that others need a week for...
17:06 nkuttler ndee: just do some market research and tell him something realistic
17:06 ndee is 70 euro / hour much?
17:07 maholtz|WORK nope
17:07 nkuttler no. good price imo
17:07 maholtz|WORK yep
17:07 ndee well yeah, bah, I'm just pi**ed at the moment
17:07 dinsdale07 I think there is a price difference between freelancer/agancy as well.
17:09 maholtz|WORK i would think 70 is a little bit about average for an typo3 dev
17:10 nkuttler slightly, my thought too. but not too much if you can deliver
17:11 dinsdale07 are we talking about typo3 development or integration. I see a difference there.
17:11 maholtz|WORK he said ext programming
17:12 ndee extension programming etc.
17:12 ndee it's just sooooooooooooooo backwards
17:21 ndee how can it be that the total price of the extension doesn't matter, but it matters how much money I ask per hour. I don't get it.
17:22 ndee what do you guys ask on an hourly basis if I may ask?
17:22 dinsdale07 maybe they want to know that you don't ask for an exorbitant hourly rate.
17:24 maholtz|WORK and they know, how much work it is
17:24 ndee yes.
17:25 ndee they gonna sell this extension to another customer for 2*my hourly rate
17:29 dinsdale07 I prefer giving a price rather than an hourly rate. So if someone wants it in hours I just calculate it backwards.
17:30 ndee yeah, they just think 70 euros is too much and want that it's 60 euros. That's just stupid
17:31 ndee as I said, the total price doesn't matter, just the hourly rate. that's stupid.
17:34 maholtz|WORK well, if they have changes, they will have to pay for them, so the hourly rate is important
17:35 ndee that's true.
17:44 dinsdale07 well, speaking about price - what would you guys consider an acceptable minimum hourly rate for typo3 services before before being considered a dumping price.
17:47 maholtz|WORK i am not an freelancer anymore, but i would think if i need/want the job 40, if not 50+
17:47 maholtz|WORK as minimum price
17:47 HardPhuck if they are willing to pay that much
17:48 maholtz|WORK in germany they should
17:48 HardPhuck ah yes, in germany
17:49 HardPhuck noone will pay you this much in slovenia :)
17:49 HardPhuck you say 30 here and everyone goes WHAT? :)
17:50 maholtz|WORK 25 euros in germany as freelancer means you would get more money at aldi (supermarket)
17:50 HardPhuck ah okay
17:51 dinsdale07 maholtz|WORK, which is actually an ok hourly rate for this kind of work IMO
17:51 HardPhuck in slovenia people in supermarkets get 500¬ a month
17:51 dinsdale07 in CAD the minimum hourly wage is 10$.
17:52 maholtz|WORK sry, "CAD"?
17:52 dinsdale07 Canadian Dollar. 1Eur = 1.59 CAD
17:53 dinsdale07 or 10 CAD = 6.2 EUR.
17:54 dinsdale07 it seems it is difficult discussing this in a global context... already Europe is so different.
17:54 maholtz|WORK yep, very interesting in geneve/genf ... swiss/france
17:55 ndee you work in genf maholtz? :D
17:55 maholtz|WORK my sister and her husband lived there for 5 years - and they payed nearly 2000 euros per month for 100qm2 house nobody in german would accept as an house... and it was cheap and in france, not in geneve anymore
17:55 maholtz|WORK nope, in münster:)
17:56 ndee ah :)
17:56 ndee yeah, switzerland is expensive when it comes to the cost of living
17:57 HardPhuck 2k for 100sqm? omg :)
17:57 dinsdale07 Amongst big cooperation, discussing price behind the customers back would be considered illegal :-) As a freelancer I think it's important though.
17:58 HardPhuck lol
17:58 HardPhuck i always discuss prices with other freelancers
17:58 maholtz|WORK yep, its important
17:59 dinsdale07 In Nice I rented a room in a Community with 3 others for 500EUR pm - old flat and at the end the landlord cheated on the caution.
18:00 HardPhuck i was paying 400¬ for a 30sqm flat in Ljubljana
18:02 dinsdale07 HardPhuck, what would you consider an acceptable minimum in slovenia?
18:03 HardPhuck 20¬
18:04 HardPhuck but this is really for some projects, that you feel generous about
18:04 dinsdale07 In CAD from published prices I see on company websites 60CAD - 100 CAD.
18:04 HardPhuck or if you do it because you really need work
18:04 HardPhuck otherwise i would say 30¬
18:05 dinsdale07 yes - that's always true. My fear is though that if you establish once a dumping price it's difficult to ask for more later.
18:05 HardPhuck in fact it's not
18:05 HardPhuck because when you work for low price, you prove yourself with quality
18:06 HardPhuck and when you raise the price you have arguments
18:06 HardPhuck and even if you raise it, you're still cheaper as competition companies :)
18:07 jochke maholtz|WORK: I get always the content. Sorry for the late answer. Sorry for the late answer. I'm not feeling well and I have a bit of fever, so I'm sleeping a lot these days. :(
18:07 dinsdale07 what's if you already have a high quality but still have to raise the price because you realize you can't sustain your business with that hourly rate.
18:08 dinsdale07 and companies - yes I agree that's a totally different horse. I once got rented out from my company with my 22 years of age for 250 EUR per hour.
18:08 maholtz|WORK @jochke: get well soon:)
18:08 [Francesco] body renting
18:08 HardPhuck in that case you should let client be aware of your kwality and when you lift the price tel him about it
18:09 maholtz|WORK you tested it from differen ip adresses?
18:09 jochke maholtz|WORK: thanks. But the good thing about it is, that I've got a lot of time to spend on typo3. :)
18:09 [Francesco] 250 eur at hour for a juniro profile is very very very very much @_@
18:09 [Francesco] *junior
18:09 HardPhuck if you do it for low money, you're doing yourself more bad than good and client should know that
18:10 dinsdale07 [Francesco], that was for specific financial software, very different for web development where the knowledge is more broadly distributed.
18:10 jochke maholtz|WORK: I've tried to change the ip adress yes. :)
18:10 HardPhuck and if he doesn't want to pay you, tell him the business is off... and wait for him to come back, if the quality is high, he will
18:10 HardPhuck and then you can lift the price even higher :)
18:11 jochke maholtz|WORK: Is it something with the "page.10" reference maybe? Actually I dont understand what it does.
18:11 dinsdale07 HardPhuck, that's the cycle of the market.
18:11 maholtz|WORK @jochke: then read http://wiki.typo3.org/Ts45min
18:12 [Francesco] dinsdale, i work in SAP area and 250/hour is a seniro sap consultant value :P
18:12 HardPhuck aye
18:12 [Francesco] *senior
18:12 dinsdale07 I think when you start though it's difficult to get this balanced. Well - at least that's my experience.
18:12 HardPhuck anyways i'm off... cya guys
18:12 dinsdale07 have a good one HardPhuck, thanks for discussing - your input was very valuable
18:12 [Francesco] anyway maybe i'm wrong because of i'm refering to italy
18:13 [Francesco] fee
18:13 jochke maholtz|WORK: Thanks I'll try that.
18:13 HardPhuck dinsdale07: np, anytime
18:13 maholtz|WORK cu hardphuck
18:14 dinsdale07 [Francesco], that was also a one time off - something the customer messed up himself which was outside the service contract. So they send me and "punished" him :-)
18:14 dinsdale07 I think Europe is more consisten with prices though because of the Euro.
18:18 [Francesco] anybody faced this problem with htmlarea: inserted IMG are without the ending / in IMG tag. I mean i see ">" and not "/>". this bring to not valid xhtml
18:29 Denyerec wow
18:29 Denyerec 250 euro an hour
18:29 Denyerec I'd love that, and work one day a month...
18:32 [Francesco] that was the fee for the agency that body rent him
18:32 maholtz|WORK have to go - bye
18:32 [Francesco] bye
18:41 dinsdale07 right now I'm trying to negotiate 15Eur/hour for t3! how times change ...
18:52 [Francesco] anybody faced this problem with htmlarea: inserted IMG are without the ending / in IMG tag. I mean i see ">" and not "/>". this bring to not valid xhtml
19:11 [Francesco] in the database html code for an image is stored with the "/>" ending but in the frontend source i see only ">". Where should i investigate ? I think it's not a matter of htmlarea.
19:17 nkuttler [Francesco]: works here. are you sure your site config is correct?
19:20 [Francesco] hummm, you mean config about doctype ?
19:29 [Francesco] the mailing list search still don't work...
19:30 nkuttler [Francesco]: yes. i have config.xhtml_cleaning = all but i really can't recall what that does
19:34 [Francesco] humm usually i try to stay away from all the "code cleaning" thing so i did not set that but only the config.doctype. I'll try your settings
19:36 [Francesco] yep now it works. Thanks
19:36 [Francesco] i was going really mad, trying to edit the source :P
19:49 maverick69 Hey typo-folks,
19:50 maverick69 I have a little problem with typo3/typoscript. Probably one of you can help me.
19:50 maverick69 I have used kickstarter to extend tt_content with a new textarea field called ipaddress. Now backend user can type an optional ip-adress to each content element.
19:50 maverick69 I now want typo3 to display these elements only if the current Remote Adress / User IP matches the input in the textarea and I don't know how to do it. Do you have any ideas?
19:50 maverick69 My Typoscript-Code looks like this
19:50 maverick69 subparts.CONTENT = CONTENT
19:50 maverick69 subparts.CONTENT {
19:50 maverick69 table = tt_content
19:50 maverick69 select.orderBy = sorting
19:50 maverick69 select.where = tx_ipadress_ipadress = '123.123.123.123' # dont know how to insert the current user ip here...
19:50 maverick69 }
21:51 drindt someone can please tell me in which table are the template records be stored?
23:37 [Francesco] .
23:38 tokam hello
23:39 tokam how do you organize your modrewrite links?
23:39 tokam where is the html link analised in typo3?

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