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01:19 [Francesco] hi, i read the dmitry tutorial about custom 404 page handling here: http://typo3.org/development/articles/improved-404-handling/page/3/
01:20 [Francesco] the problem is that in that tutorial he said i have to create an _hidden_ page for the 404 thing
01:20 [Francesco] but if this page is hidden it's never displayed in case of 404 error.
01:20 [Francesco] there are some issue about google indexing and caching if i let that page UNHIDE ?
01:44 [Francesco] anyone about custom 404 page ?
01:58 nkuttler [Francesco]: hidden in menu
02:04 [Francesco] ah so in that article hidden means hidden in menu ? So that pages can called directly (www.mydomain.com/404.html) by google spider. This can bring to some issues in indexing in google ?
02:10 nkuttler [Francesco]: google should understand 404 headers i presume
02:26 [Francesco] ok thx
03:56 mathbr Hi. I've set up a custom page type in my extension but normal backend users are not able to see them in the page tree. What am I missing?
04:01 nkuttler mathbr: they probably have no rights to view/edit the page type
04:02 mathbr How do i give them these? The only place I can see my page type is in the section "Page Types" of the BE usergroup configuration.
04:05 mathbr Ah, I think I got it.
04:06 mathbr Yep, changing the group from nothing to the BE user group did the trick. Stupid me. I will now finally make myself a member of that group, too.
04:06 mathbr nkuttler: Thanks for the hint.
04:07 nkuttler mathbr: np :)
04:14 Maluka G'day
09:23 maholtz|WORK morning
09:28 _pedda_ moin maholtz|WORK
09:40 NublaII is there a way to make sr_feuser_register show the pulldowns from sr_static_info (country, zone) as multiple selects instead?
10:23 p3rrrn hi everybody
10:24 p3rrrn someboby familar with tt_products?
10:57 maholtz|WORK tt_news do not respect "listOrderBy" it works before but now... some hints what could be wrong?
10:58 maholtz|WORK i think i checked everything but it does not work, so... any hint is welcome:)
11:21 Rickard I'll give it one last try. Do any of you know how to configure realurl to redirect old index.php?id=xxx URLs to the new /spoken/url? I want to avoid having multiple links pointing to the same content.
11:26 nkuttler Rickard: you mean disable the ?id=foo stuff?
11:26 Rickard No, if someone visits a page via index.php?id=xxx it should do a permanent redirect to that page's realurl equivalent.
11:27 Rickard That way, google will update its index to point to the new url.
11:28 nkuttler Rickard: a sitemap and updated links on the site shold take care of that. (no idea)
11:29 Rickard To some degree it would, but there would still be incoming links to index.php?id=xxx and google doesn't like that.
11:29 Rickard Two links with the same content on the same domain = bad SEO
11:30 nkuttler i have yet to see any evidence for that claim. to me that is a myth
11:31 Rickard A very wide-spread myth in that case.
11:31 nkuttler i noticed
11:31 Rickard I believe Google themselves mention it somewhere in the webmaster tools though.
11:32 nkuttler you get penalized for duplicate content if the googlebot found it on a different domain before afaik
11:32 Rickard http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359
11:33 nkuttler "In the rare cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users," bla bla bla
11:33 nkuttler you are the authority for your site. update your sitemap
11:34 nkuttler not saying that it would be bad to 301 them, but i don't see much benefit
11:35 Rickard There are other benefits though. Users are less likely to be confused about the URLs if they are consistent.
11:35 nkuttler Rickard: sounds like something that should be done in an extension though. if url != realurl redirect
11:35 nkuttler mod_rewrite doesn't really have access to your realurl rules i guess
11:35 Rickard An extension sounds good. Unfortunately, I don't have the typo3 chops to write one :)
11:36 nkuttler Rickard: wt_301_redirect sounds like it could be modified
11:36 nkuttler forcerealurls even
11:37 nkuttler you're right about the user experience issue
11:37 Rickard forcerealurls seems to be exactly what I'm looking for!
11:37 nkuttler Rickard: yeah, i had to think about the problem before figuring out that an ext is needed :)
11:38 Rickard You the man :)
11:38 Rickard I'm gonna give it a go after lunch. Thanks.
11:38 nkuttler np :)
11:42 slash hi @all
11:56 slash when i choose in text with images an image, typo3 makes a copy of this image in uploads/pics. why i have uploaded my images in the filelist?
11:57 slash i thought a reference is made but always a copy is made.
11:58 slash the extension ogvit filemailer has over 3 GB !!!!! now on my webspace.
12:00 slash what can i do? is there a way to make references instead of copys?
12:22 smeringe slash: yes. through dam and dam_ttcontent extensions (the last one is the key to success...)
12:23 smeringe dam_ttcontent makes the CType Image field (and others) a reference field rather then stand alone field.
12:24 slash smeringeZ: it also works then with extensions?
12:29 NublaII I just made some changes with the kickstarter to an extension (added a couple of fields to a table)
12:30 NublaII do I need to disable and re-enable the extension for it to pick up the changes?
12:41 fred^ Say I wanted alternative layout for tt_news. First news item in LIST should be a big image, while the rest will be small images
12:42 fred^ Is it possible to decide which image it shows in LIST view?
12:42 fred^ Say I have uploaded two images to a news item, one for the big view and the second for the smaller view
12:42 fred^ I know 2.6 have optionsplit but it says its only for the single view
12:55 _pedda_ no optionsplit in 2.6 is for list view as well
12:56 fred^ Sorry, I meant imageMarkerOptionSplit
13:03 smeringe slash: (was away on lunch) yes. it works with extensions as well, but requires some configuration.. se the manual to dam_ttcontent for info on how
13:03 slash smeringe: thx
13:03 mikhas Hi. I have a question regarding Typo3 (4.2)'s handling of cache. Does it cache the content of a plugin in a way that isn't cleared by the clear_all_cache-commands in the backend?
13:04 mikhas hi smeringe, long time no see. ;)
13:04 smeringe hi mikhas. true. long time no see :)
13:04 mikhas smeringe: all well?
13:06 smeringe pritty okey I guess though some bug bucks paying clients, a warmer weather and some good sleep wouldn't hurt :P
13:06 smeringe s/bug/big :P
13:07 smeringe ohlas ries
13:08 maholtz|WORK re
13:08 smeringe welcome back maholtz|WORK :)
13:09 ries morning...... yaaaaawn
13:15 slash smeringe: i have read the manual but..... the extension ogvit filemailer uses a field to select multiple files from my filelist. u know how i can configure dam_ttcontent to that field?
13:19 smeringe slash: not exlipicitly for that field in that ext :) but multiple referenced images isn't a problem in itself
13:21 slash smeringe: but i select PDF files. no images.
13:27 smeringe slash: shouldn't be a problem?
13:30 slash The extension provide the reference functionality for image files for the content elements Image and Text w/image. But my extension isnt a content element like images or text w/images. :-) sorry but i dont understand what u mean.
13:31 smeringe slash dam_ttcontent actually provides a concept of referencing dam records to file list. and a dam record can be either an image OR a pdf OR a word doc.. hence then it doesn't matter if it's an image or something else.
13:31 smeringe though the preset reference definitions in the extension is for image field types only..
13:33 smeringe (but honestly I haven't used it with something else then image fields so I can be so wrong with my statement ;))
13:35 slash smeringe: thanks :-) maybe i will give it a try and see what happend
13:43 fred^ Doh
13:44 fred^ imageMarkerOptionSplit did not work for list mode
13:50 Rickard If I have a block of static markup that I want to be able to insert at various locations on my website, what would be the most suitable solution?
13:51 BeginnerTYPO3 hi there ;)
13:51 Rickard Nevermind, I just found the "HTML" content type :)
13:53 BeginnerTYPO3 I have just installed Typo3 and well... I am using the WEC-START-Paket, but I like it ! Now I am not sure if i can use it to build up my Website. Is it possible to disable the WEC-Paket but still got my Content online ?
13:55 sperber afaik the only difference to a default installation are a few extensions which you probably can deinstall if you do not like it
13:57 BeginnerTYPO3 Ok. so I don't have to edit the Content or what ever when I disable it ? Thanks ;) I wasn't sure if WEC uses some variables instead of the right content. Thanks
13:57 sperber "Note: The WEC Starter Package preserves the full power and flexibility of TYPO3 since all TYPO3 configuration options can still be changed as desired and the standard TYPO3 software is used. The added features in no way limit the experienced user as they can be removed if needed."
13:57 sperber from the WEC page
13:59 BeginnerTYPO3 Yes, thx :) Before I enabled some WEB-Extensions I just saw same varibles in the title like $wec-title (Something like that)
13:59 dokma hey guys! anyone knows how to get upload folder of an extension from API ?
13:59 BeginnerTYPO3 so ;) But thanks
13:59 dokma ries: ^^^^^^^^^
13:59 dokma just2b: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
14:00 dokma maholtz|WORK: you here man?
14:02 BeginnerTYPO3 Would U recommend the WEC-Starter-Paket or the QuickStart-Paket to start with Typo3 ? I
14:02 BeginnerTYPO3 Na TaucherMK ;)
14:03 TaucherMK would you please stop highlighting people who don't talk with you?
14:05 maholtz|WORK @dokma: TCA
14:08 dokma maholtz|WORK: it's configured there I know
14:08 dokma but I need to fetch it in the code of the extension itself
14:08 maholtz|WORK so there is sth. like loadtca()
14:08 dokma ahhh
14:08 dokma I see where you're aiming at
14:09 dokma so that's the proper way ?
14:09 dokma ok gotta go eat
14:09 maholtz|WORK dontknow - for that you should ask that in typo3.dev list
14:09 dokma thanks for the help mate!
14:09 dokma have fun!!
15:56 noroute Hi. Can someone tell me where to find documentation on how anti-XSS sanitation is done in t3?
15:57 noroute there is a removeXSS method in t3lib_div but that does not seem to be used
15:57 maholtz|WORK every extension has to care for it
15:57 maholtz|WORK there are some stdWrap properties: removeBadHtml, stripHtml etc
16:23 dexcs hi all, ist it possible to detect how many users are online on my page at the moment? Maybe via Database?
16:24 dexcs Users may be wrong, i meant visitors.... (no login)
16:29 TaucherMK dexcs: did you search TER for that?
16:30 TaucherMK probably stat or something like that
16:31 dexcs yeah but i don't need it as an "plugin" to display on an page. The Idea is to collect from all our typo3 projects the "online visitors"...
16:31 dexcs i asked because i hoped to find some values in my typo3 db....
16:32 dexcs wich i can use for, you know?
16:39 BeginnerTYPO3 I have installed "realURL"; ) Aber I had some problems I reinstalled it ;) Now all menue-items still got the REALURL-Link ;). The htaccess is still OK ;)
16:39 BeginnerTYPO3 aber = After ;)
16:40 BeginnerTYPO3 I am not sure if its only a cache-problem or if i have to change something else.
16:40 maholtz|WORK @BeginnerTYPO3: what is the problem?
16:41 BeginnerTYPO3 Probadly I forgot how to clean the cache ;)
16:41 BeginnerTYPO3 After installing the REALURL all links are wrtitten like /Users/<removed>/done ;) instead of index.php=?.....
16:42 maholtz|WORK so, thats why you installed REALURL
16:42 maholtz|WORK if youdo not like it, deinstall it
16:42 BeginnerTYPO3 after reinstalling they are still /Users/<removed>/done
16:42 BeginnerTYPO3 deinstall( Iam Sorry)
16:42 maholtz|WORK then you have to clear cache
16:43 BeginnerTYPO3 just delete the [_CACHEFILE]=temp_CACHED_psb4bd
16:43 BeginnerTYPO3 didn*t found the cache-function yet ;)
16:43 maholtz|WORK no, thats not enough
16:43 maholtz|WORK which version do you use?
16:44 maholtz|WORK 4.2.x top right, there is a button with an flashlight (or something)
16:44 BeginnerTYPO3 the latest
16:44 BeginnerTYPO3 uuh yes
16:44 BeginnerTYPO3 thx
16:53 Frankus hello i want use in a ext. a pic from the dam ext that i choise before could anyone help me
17:01 maholtz|WORK @Frankus: have an look in dam_ttnews for example
17:06 Frankus thx
17:07 BeginnerTYPO3 In "Right Content" I want to place the same content on different Sites. Normaly I would include something like rightContent.php . Maybe there are better ways in typo3. I didn't found the right insert-Tag
17:09 maholtz|WORK @BeinnderTYPO3: you would do it via TypoScript
17:10 maholtz|WORK read that: http://wiki.typo3.org/De:ts45min
17:10 maholtz|WORK ups - its available in english too
17:10 maholtz|WORK there is a language menu in top right
17:14 think Hello, is it possible to edit the markup of the Content Types in Typo3?
17:14 maholtz|WORK i do not understand what you mean - but i think it will be possible:)
17:16 think :), with css-styled-content there are many content types in typo3, is it possible to change the css style csc-header to something else or change how the content type will be translated into HTML?
17:16 m0oman think: in typo3 almost everything is possible. it's just a question of how much time (and sanity) you want to invest.
17:16 maholtz|WORK @think: yep, you can change that, but usually it is easier to change your css file:)
17:17 maholtz|WORK css_styled_content is an extension, have a look at the files
17:17 m0oman that's both possible.
17:17 m0oman you made have to ditch css-styled-content if you're going for big changes.
17:17 m0oman if it's just css changes you can simply override the standard css.
17:18 think ok, so otherwise i have to change the extensions, for changeing classes or ids.
17:19 m0oman yes.
17:19 maholtz|WORK @think: you can do it via typoscript - but to understand how it works, have an look in that extension
17:19 maholtz|WORK but imho it makes no sense
17:19 m0oman but i wouldn't recommend directly changing a core-extension, just override settings.
17:19 maholtz|WORK you could write your own cms too.... ;)
17:20 think ok, i wanted to use the old markup of an existing page moving to typo3. maholtz: of course
17:21 m0oman i'd recommend "translating" them to the typo3-way. the closer you get to typo3 defaults the easier later managment will be.
17:22 m0oman the output of css-styled-content is quite mighty and detailed, it _should_ be sufficient for most needs really.
17:22 think ok
17:22 think thx for your hep
17:22 think hep
17:22 think help
17:23 m0oman translating your markup to another way might sound like a bit of work in the beginning but it also gives you the chance to clean up and improve the old text. and it will give you a good inside in how typo3 transforms your content into markup.
17:24 think that's true, i will see it the positive way
17:26 m0oman and in general, be happy about every line of typoscript you can avoid. ;)
17:41 NublaII I have an external table that I would like to include as a select on a sr_feuser_register template
17:41 NublaII any pointers?
17:53 noroute So, HTML escaping (for anti-XSS or such) is wholly dependent on TypoScript configuration, right?
17:54 noroute there is no "secure-by-default"
20:17 drindt_ someone knows about a backend login problem in typo 4.2.6? i get sporadic after login the message that iam not logged in after reloading the page iam in...
20:23 Denyerec Firefox?
20:24 dinsdale07 drindt_, clear all cache/cookies/authenticated sessions
22:00 drindt_ dinsdale07: can you get me
22:00 drindt_ dinsdale07: a detail about?
22:00 drindt_ browsercache?
22:25 timdeluxe hi folks, can someone tell me where extension settings are saved? i know that i can set them via typoscript, but where is it saved when i do it with the extension manager?
22:25 just2b what are you talking about?
22:25 just2b ext manager settings or ts?
22:25 timdeluxe no. when i click on a extension in the extension manager
22:25 timdeluxe or when i install it
22:26 timdeluxe i can do several settings
22:26 just2b saved in localconf.php
22:26 timdeluxe hm
22:26 timdeluxe ah yes, right, thx.
22:28 just2b np
22:35 nkuttler hm, my pageroots are shortcuts and i don't want the urls to look like /shortcut/page but just /page. The links already work, but the HMENUs etc still generate /shortcut/page type links... any ideas?
22:36 nkuttler or should i make / a real page? that would require re-working the css/markup thing
22:36 nkuttler meh, and then it would be like /start/page1, still ugly
22:37 just2b why do you need a page like start?
22:37 nkuttler i don't, that's the point
22:37 just2b so dont create it
22:37 nkuttler ...
22:37 nkuttler the page contains the domain record and has all subpages that are on level 1 of the site
22:38 nkuttler and contains template stuff. can't simply remove it.
22:38 just2b save somewhere your structure, sorry dont get it
22:39 nkuttler http://pastebin.com/m4879d0bf
22:40 just2b so the url is domain.com/page-1.html
22:40 just2b where is the prob
22:40 nkuttler yeah
22:40 nkuttler it is _wrong_
22:40 just2b why
22:40 nkuttler because the url should be /page-1/ or /page-1.html
22:40 nkuttler it doesn't make sense to have the whole page under /domain1.com
22:41 just2b sry dont get it? you got now domain.com/domain1.com/start-1.html?
22:41 nkuttler right
22:41 just2b why do you have a page above the domains?
22:42 nkuttler stores a multi-site template
22:42 just2b set the "start page" checkbox inside the 2 pages and set it as start in realurl conf
22:42 just2b you still can include the ts from any other page
22:42 nkuttler hm
22:42 nkuttler just2b: thanks, will look into that
22:42 just2b but just move the pages and you are fine ;)
22:42 just2b re
22:46 nkuttler ah, it's better to move the root page one level down and include the template, right?
22:46 nkuttler root pages
22:53 nkuttler just2b: yes, that works. put global template in sysfolder and include from domain roots. makes much more sense too. thanks.
22:54 just2b you are welcome

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