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05:42 lazarus477 Good morning
05:43 lazarus477 I am doing hard core studies through the Typo3 docs, modern template building. A real brainfuck.
05:44 lazarus477 Question. From what I can see these docs have not changed much since 2007. Is it even advisable to still follow them, some links are broken?
06:03 lazarus477 Puuhh! Finally got done with studying the first part.
06:03 lazarus477 Guess next up is to try out what I studied. Better sleep on that.
09:01 derjoerg hi everybody
09:02 derjoerg skurfuerst: are you available?
09:09 Guest23470 hi - i want to create a page where i am able to specify certain categories for my content elements e.g. if i add a new text field with an image i want to be able to say that it belongs to category A (so that i am also able to use different style sheets for the categories) - is that possible? any suggestions are highly appreciated!!
09:12 derjoerg Guest23470: So you only want to have different css-classes applied to content-elements?
09:12 Guest23470 yes, exactly
09:12 Guest23470 ehm
09:12 Guest23470 no
09:12 Guest23470 sry
09:13 Guest23470 there somethin else ;)
09:13 Guest23470 i also want to be able to only show certain catagories on the different subpages
09:15 derjoerg so you want to have one site-(container), where you want to create a bunch of content-elements with different categories assigned and then there should be an automated process, which creates a subpage for each category and shows the associated elements?
09:16 _pedda_ hi all
09:16 Guest23470 yes that's it
09:16 Guest23470 can this be accomplished somehow?
09:17 _pedda_ the "categories" FOR stylesheets can be achieved via different layouts
09:17 _pedda_ which can be selected within each text w image content element for example
09:18 _pedda_ a ce with layout 1 can be formatted different in comparsion to a ce with layout 2
09:18 derjoerg you can do a lot with TypoScript, and at the end I would expect that some of the real TS-guru would be able to create a working TS, but actually I don't have a clue
09:18 _pedda_ so it will look different if you specify this in your stylesheet
09:19 derjoerg _pedda_: yes this is possible without any problem
09:19 _pedda_ Guest23470: just create an content element and figure out what can be done with Frame: - Select box
09:19 derjoerg but the automatic creation of subpages regarding the Layout-field ...
09:19 derjoerg this is hard
09:19 Guest23470 ok - so i just have to define the different styles - ehm - maybe u can also give me a hint on how to do that?^^
09:20 _pedda_ hmm the category per page thing can be done via tt_news
09:20 _pedda_ tt_news records don't have to be real news
09:20 maholtz|WORK morning
09:20 Guest23470 awright - i think i'll figure it out from here
09:20 _pedda_ moin maholtz|WORK
09:20 Denyerec Morgens
09:20 derjoerg Guest23470: Easiest would be: Create content-elements for each layout and look at the output
09:20 derjoerg then you have the "normal" TYPO3 code
09:21 _pedda_ which still can be modified via ts
09:21 derjoerg sure
09:21 Guest23470 ok - i'll try it that way
09:21 Guest23470 thanks a lot!
09:23 dec___ any comprehensive install manual for mnogosearch? the one in the extension doesnt seem to be very accurate and im running into various problems
09:30 _pedda_ can someone help me out with this : http://www.nabble.com/-TYPO3-english---realurl-%2B-6-char-problem-td24464812.html
09:42 maholtz|WORK @_pedda_ post there your realurl config too
09:43 _pedda_ k
09:46 _pedda_ from my wiki : http://pastie.org/545171
09:48 _pedda_ this setup is used
09:48 _pedda_ but i think the server-setup is the problem
09:49 _pedda_ the baseurl works even if i define rrkkd/ at the end.. doesn't matter which chars, but they have to be 6
09:50 _pedda_ the typo3 installation is the official debian-package
09:51 maholtz|WORK and that rule cannot harm? : RewriteRule ^(.*)/article/(.*)$ $1/artikel/$2?%{QUERY_STRING} [L,R=301]
09:51 _pedda_ only for articles..
09:51 maholtz|WORK hm...
09:51 maholtz|WORK ok, cant
09:51 _pedda_ and it's splitted in a lot of folders instead of being located within /var/www
09:52 maholtz|WORK i would try to disable config.defaultToHTMLsuffixOnPrev = 1 without understanding what happens, i am not the realurl guy...
09:52 _pedda_ hmm ok
09:52 maholtz|WORK just for testing
09:52 _pedda_ i will do that later.. have to wait for jbaptiste.. it's his project
09:53 dec___ pretty sure that setting makes pages have the .html extension
09:53 _pedda_ yes it does
09:54 _pedda_ i just can't understand why the server needs to have it's gap of 6 chars filled in order to being able to interpret the generated path by realurl
09:54 _pedda_ it can be filled with any chars.. but they have to be 6
09:56 maholtz|WORK well, i would assume that it is an realurl / typo3-core thing and not an server issue
10:06 nd Anyone knows if there's certificaton at t3con09?
10:33 dec___ from the mnogosearch manual: 'Next create a new user in TYPO3 Backend. Name should be _cli_mnogosearch user.' ... so is the username _cli_mnogosearch or _cli_mnogosearch user?
10:33 _pedda_ without user
10:34 Celestar morning peops
10:35 dec___ k
10:38 _pedda_ moin
10:44 dec___ http://www.isaeus.nl/test.html this is a mnogosearch installation, any idea why i get a blank page after a submit?
10:45 dec___ ive inserted the mode search rseults on the same page
10:47 dec___ is it cause of real url?
10:51 dec___ error reporting is on and all i see is a blank page :\
10:53 dec___ writing it like index.php?id=... gives the same result btw so it doesnt seem to be a real url issue
10:54 maholtz|WORK @dec__ php error
10:55 dec___ there aint any
10:55 dec___ reporting is on and my ip is in the devMask
10:56 maholtz|WORK or an die() anywhere? an exit() on the wrong place?
10:56 dec___ i havent editted any of the code though
10:56 dec___ IE gives a 404 error it seems
10:57 maholtz|WORK in need an Javascript to get the <marquee> effect? Any hint?
10:57 mcfly_ this is propably a silly problem, but what am i configuring wrong if typo3 is missing all of the html-escaped chars (eg. &gt;) from locallang.xml files?
11:00 mcfly_ i end up with: "Page span class="chgcurrent"1/span of span class="chgtotal"1/span"
11:00 mcfly_ although it doesnt only happen in chgallery
11:05 dec___ [Tue Jul 14 11:04:45 2009] [notice] child pid 32321 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) this is what apache says
11:57 Celestar erm .. I've inserted a table with class="mytableclass" using the non-RTE. when displaying the page, the class is overwritten. Where do I find that setting?
12:03 menak hi
12:05 menak i just set up a new typo3 installation (4.2.8). Everythings fine, except that all html except "p" are run through HSC. Is this a known bug?
12:09 menak check out my root page tsconfig: http://pastebin.com/d48c744a4
12:09 menak see any mistake
12:10 menak i'm using the following extensions: templavoila, static_info_tables, pmkslimbox, rtelightbox and date2cal
12:11 menak wake up guys!!! :)
12:34 Celestar hm ..
12:34 Celestar why are the table classes overwritten O_o
12:39 Celestar got it :D
13:05 Celestar is it possible to hide a certain page from the menu in the default language?
13:05 Celestar activating "hide on menu" hides it in all translations
13:05 HardPhuck argh this zend studio debugging is killing me
13:06 HardPhuck can't get debugger to stop on my breakpoints
13:06 HardPhuck i now officially hate zend :)
13:17 pulponair hi there
13:21 HardPhuck guys i see the t3con09.typo3.org has a nice shopping cart, is that an extension?
13:21 HardPhuck i would love to get a hold of it :D
13:30 derchiller ries: don't care about it, wasn't ment they way u've interpreted it
13:30 maholtz if it is an extension which works respects the t3 standards, look up the css names and pi-vars:)
13:31 Celestar hail maholtz
13:32 maholtz hi celestar
13:34 Celestar how's it goin
13:37 HardPhuck maholtz: thanx for the tip, it's GSA shop
13:37 Denyerec hey chaps
13:37 HardPhuck never occured to me to check css :D
13:37 HardPhuck hey Den
13:37 Celestar hm ..
13:37 Celestar *scratches head*
13:39 maholtz @Celestar: everything fine with you?
13:40 Celestar maholtz: ok my day started with entering the elevator, pressing my floor button and then being stuck in it
13:40 Celestar maholtz: pressed the alarm, and waited 6 minutes for a response.
13:41 Celestar maholtz: waited 20 minutes for someone to get me out, then used brute force to get out
13:41 Celestar maholtz: then I got yelled at for breaking the door ... I've had better days
13:41 Celestar :P
13:41 Denyerec :
13:41 Denyerec :/
13:41 maholtz i hope you had better days...
13:41 maholtz but it is a funny story... afterwards?
13:42 Celestar work is ok
13:42 Celestar I'm just trying this: I have page which only exists in a non-default language.
13:43 Celestar how can I hide it from the menu on the default language
13:46 Celestar "hide from menu" hides it in all languages
13:54 Celestar "hide page" hides does not hide it from the menu in any language
13:57 ries derchiller: Huuuuuu I just woke up!! what did I do??? :D
14:23 st3ff3n hi
14:23 st3ff3n i've a problem with rte htmlarea and the config, i think
14:24 st3ff3n if i add a link in the rte, it's displayed in the fe, so log. but if i mark the line in the rte as bold, the link is no longer displayed in the fe
14:42 dec___ how do i fix this problem: http://www.isaeus.nl/test.html?tx_mnogosearch_pi1[q]=isaeus&tx_mnogosearch_pi1[submit]=Search
14:42 dec___ weird characters :\
15:09 maholtz @dex___ convert them to iso8859-1 or output your page in utf-8?
15:10 dec___ i checked in the databases and the charsets are equal
15:10 dec___ ive tried to output them as pretty much everything
15:10 dec___ only the 'wrap' for the search word is going wrong now
15:11 dec___ i imagine its something like <b></b>
15:11 dec___ i cant find where i can change this though
15:11 maholtz i would assume "" from word
15:11 dec___ yeah perhaps
15:11 dec___ do you know if this is configurable? im looking in the template but nothing interesting
15:11 maholtz well, you have such bytes in the database...
15:12 maholtz imho
15:12 dec___ well yeah
15:12 dec___ everything is saved as Latin1 atm
15:15 st3ff3n in the tt_content table, there is a link attribute, but it's not displayed in the fe
15:17 st3ff3n i'm only facing this problem, if the link is displayed bold
15:17 maholtz @steffen: whats in the database?
15:19 dec___ what should the db connection string look like if you want to import data as Latin1?
15:19 dec___ mysql://user:pass@localhost/mnogosearch/?dbmode=multi&default-character-set=Latin1
15:19 dec___ that's what i have now but it doesn't work
15:21 maholtz wait, imho there is a difference between Latin1 and iso8859-1? especially in mysql...
15:21 dec___ yeah ok
15:21 dec___ ive tried both
15:22 maholtz but: that bytes should be found on the website...
15:23 Celestar ok since the channel is awake: I have a multilingual website (one tree), I'd like to have some subpage only in a single language. however, I either have the menu entry in every language, or in no language at all. What am I doing wrong?
15:23 ries maholtz: MySQL should not make a difference between latin1 and isa8859-1
15:23 ries that's odd...
15:24 ries Celestar: I never did any serious ML site, but check your language fallback settings...
15:25 dec___ still the same problem: http://www.isaeus.nl/test.html?tx_mnogosearch_pi1[q]=historie&tx_mnogosearch_pi1[submit]=Search ive imported it as Latin1 and displaying as Latin1
15:25 dec___ but what explains the weird characters around my keywords :(
15:27 Celestar ries: language fallback setting?
15:27 ries I believe I have seen a install tool setting.... and there is a TS config setting aswell.... I just forgot :)
15:28 ries dec___: Waar zie je die rare karakters??
15:28 dec___ als je bijv zoekt op Historie
15:29 dec___ staan er dus rare tekens om het woord Historie in de zoekresultaten
15:29 dec___ oftewel hij zet een soort wrap om je gezochte term heen en die pakt ie niet op de één of andere manier :\
15:30 dec___ terwijl alles op Latin1 staat
15:30 ries dec___: Hiere Safari 4.x en ik heb geen probleem....
15:30 dec___ mmm hier op IE en FF zie ik ze wel
15:30 dec___ safari werkt idd wel
15:31 ries FF 2 (don't ask...) ziet het er ook goed uit
15:31 dec___ wtf -__-
15:33 dec___ mja wat moet ik daar nou mee
15:33 ries dec___: both when I force latin1 and utf-8 that page looks fine to me
15:34 ries Here I do have a page with problems.... : http://www.isaeus.nl/isaeus/over-isaeus/historie.html
15:34 dec___ that one's fine for me
15:34 ries Ahhh wait, never mind... I was still viewing in UTF-8 :s
15:34 dec___ heh
15:34 dec___ how do you switch charsets like that?
15:35 ries dec___: in the browser there is a option to force a specific text encoding
15:35 dec___ k
15:35 ries may be you still have it set as utf-8?
15:35 ries I can send a screenshot of the page as I see it if you want...
15:35 dec___ nah ive looked in safari and i get the same result
15:35 dec___ it looks good
15:36 derchiller 21:55:16 <ries> derchiller: that's not really true.... why do you say that?
15:36 derchiller 13:32:49 <derchiller> ries: don't care about it, wasn't ment they way u've interpreted it
15:36 ries derchiller: Ahhhh... it was a oldie :D
15:36 derchiller or wrote wrong
15:37 ries derchiller: I don't know any more what I said about what :s But I remember it wasn't really true :D
15:41 derchiller the hobby of typo3 users
15:41 derchiller to clear the cache
15:42 m0oman ..and to wonder and find about about weird behaviour and typoscript. :p
15:42 ries derchiller: Ahhh yes, that is indeed not really true....
15:42 ries weird behaviour and typoscript <== YEs that's true :D
15:43 hvnqke_work a lot of cursing is also part and parcel, of course
15:43 derchiller doesn't matter, wasn't really meant that way ;)
15:43 hvnqke_work also, why on earth does TS survive into 5.0?
15:44 hvnqke_work wouldn't it be more prudent to use something like json (which looks extremely similar) that is more generic?
15:44 ries hvnqke_work: I don't believe it will survive in it's current form, but I do hope some form of scripting language will rise again
15:44 ries json has nothing to do with TS
15:44 hvnqke_work ries, the problem is that TypoScript is not a scripting language. It's a way of noting associative arrays
15:45 hvnqke_work just like json
15:45 hvnqke_work also, json and TS look very similar in their syntax
15:46 hvnqke_work only that their small differences makes them incompatible.
15:47 hvnqke_work ries, but as it stands, "TypoScript" is on the official list of features for 5.0
15:47 dec___ in safari it creates &#62; from the weird char
15:49 dec___ wait.. nvm im an idiot
15:51 ries hvnqke_work: well, the name typoSCRIPT is worng, it's not a scripting langauge but a configuration language
15:51 s-andersen hvnqke_work: AFAIK TypoScript will be modernized for 5.0, it will be able to handle loops and such. I don't agree with you calling TypoScript an associative array.
15:52 ries IMHO JSON and TS are not the same, with TS you are allowed to make mistakes without the 'TS compiler' complaining, with JASON this isn't true
15:52 hvnqke_work s-andersen, right now, in it's current form, how is it different from an associative array?
15:52 hvnqke_work ries, I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying their syntax looks similar.
15:52 s-andersen In the beginning i HATED typoscript, it seemed so complex. Now I absolutely love it for the freedom it gives me.
15:53 ries s-andersen: I stil cannot get used to teh weird if.true structures through :s
15:54 maholtz imho TypoScript is the most powerfull thing in TYPO3
15:54 maholtz if you have an extension which supports TYPO3 you can do everything
15:54 s-andersen hvnqke_work: In essence you could place the data from TS into a PHP array and thereby I believe it would be possible to output it as JSON as well. But I would absolutely HATE to write configurations as a JSON array! Now we're just talking syntax.
15:56 s-andersen ries: TypoScript has been the cause of a lot of frustration on my part, but a lot of joy aswell, it's simply nice to tweak an extension to do something it wasn't intended to do, without ever hacking it's core
15:57 ries s-andersen: it's a love hate relationship... that's how I see it :D
15:57 hvnqke_work s-andersen, yes, because the difference between object{ property=data } is so much less nice than object{ "property": "data" }
15:57 s-andersen ries: Agree!
15:57 st3ff3n maholtz, in the tt_content there is: ><strong>Die Bilder der Relegationsspiele und Aufstiegsfeier finden <link 53 _blank><img alt=\"Opens internal link in current window\" src=\"fileadmin/images/internal_link.gif\" />hier</link></strong>
15:58 s-andersen hvnqke_work: All the " could be a pain in the ass
15:58 hvnqke_work s-andersen: sounds like coding PHP is killing you then O.o
15:58 ries hvnqke_work: writing things down in a json notation means simply typing more...
15:58 s-andersen hvnqke_work: It might be because it's win-win for you. I wouldn't consider it win-win
15:59 s-andersen hvnqke_work: You are mixing it up. PHP is about programming, TypoScript is about configuration.
15:59 hvnqke_work ries, but less overhead when juggling data back and forth between systems
15:59 hvnqke_work s-andersen, I'm talking about writing ""
15:59 ries hvnqke_work: between what systems??
15:59 maholtz @steffen: perhaps you have to check lib.parseFunc_RTE ?
15:59 s-andersen hvnqke_work: There needs to be certain guidelines in programming, these are not necessary in the configuration of typoscript
16:00 hvnqke_work in PHP you can't work without occasionally writing some "" - if that's all it takes to knock you out, I wouldn't recommend PHP for you :P
16:00 s-andersen hvnqke_work: If you would listen instead of assuming, I would be happier.
16:00 hvnqke_work ries, T3 is an enterprise-size system, and in enterprise scenarios you sometimes end up having multiple systems of different origin talking to each other.
16:01 maholtz @hvnqke_work: check typolink - you wont write it with php you would like to use typoscript on the long run
16:01 hvnqke_work s-andersen, I read what you type, and you type that the reason JSON is a no-go for you is because of the ""'s.
16:01 ries hvnqke_work: ... but TS is not ment to be used as a communication language....
16:01 derchiller i'm looking for a way to translate the search extension but don't know and where. found sth telling to change the "locallang", but.. i don't know anything about locallang
16:01 derchiller +how
16:01 s-andersen Yes and you extrapolate that to saying that I generally hate typing "s, what I'm saying is that I would rather avoid them if I could, and i CAN with typoscript
16:02 ries hvnqke_work: besides, json is not really an enterprise format between systems....
16:02 hvnqke_work ries, perhaps not, but why limit the use of the language your entire application use for infrastructural configuration, when it requires more work than making it compatible with everyting else
16:02 hvnqke_work json was an example
16:03 hvnqke_work you could use some xml-notation
16:03 ries hvnqke_work: Then TS does the job fine, right??
16:03 s-andersen hvnqke_work: AFAIK the output of typoscript will be a PHP array, which you could convert by array2json(), so there you have it.
16:03 dec___ lol solved it, the extension doesnt automatically include it's TS and Constants -_____- I had to do it manually, now everthing works
16:03 hvnqke_work I just pulled json forth because it's syntax was very similar and thus would not be hard to migrate to
16:03 hvnqke_work ries, you didn't answer the question
16:03 s-andersen hvnqke_work: XML has also been suggested in the past, it seems worse than JSON
16:04 hvnqke_work s-andersen, which is additional overhead. why convert from a to b to c when you could just send a directly?
16:04 ries hvnqke_work: there wasn't any
16:04 hvnqke_work ries, "ries, perhaps not, but why limit the use of the language your entire application use for infrastructural configuration, when it requires more work than making it compatible with everyting else"
16:04 hvnqke_work that was a question right there.
16:04 ries hvnqke_work: it's not about making something compatible with something else... if json was the notation for TS (json as an example) what would the other system do with it's configuration???
16:05 s-andersen Essentially what are you going to use the configurations of typoscript for in other systems? I can't see how the extra typing and new learnings creates benefits that makes this a good deal
16:05 ries TS is used to configure your website within typo3... that's it
16:05 s-andersen ries: Damn, you were a little faster than me ;)
16:05 ries For example, even though Spreing Framework uses the universal XML configuration langauge, it doesn't mean that TYPO3 can do anything with it.... TS is just for TYPO3, nothing more nothing less
16:06 hvnqke_work ries, what if your T3 app has some files with their paths specified in TS, and at later point you want to send those paths to another system.
16:06 hvnqke_work yes, TS is used for that. because additional work as been put into crippling it's use for anything else.
16:07 s-andersen hvnqke_work: Parse it by the core, send it as serialized PHP or JSON, you choose
16:07 hvnqke_work s-andersen, still more overhead and conversion than should be needed
16:07 ries hvnqke_work: I don't know who ever dome that... but you could write an extension (and this is very simple) to do so......
16:07 hvnqke_work it's a pointless extra layer
16:07 hvnqke_work ries, yes I could. but that's still a workaround for a terrible design choice.
16:07 ries besides, if you want to share the location of some variable between system then TS is not the right place to store it in the first place
16:07 s-andersen hvnqke_work: You keep saying it's pointless, we keep saying it's not pointless...
16:08 s-andersen hvnqke_work: How long have you been working with TypoScript? In order to suggest an entirely different way of using TYPO3 I would expect you to have years of experience
16:10 ries hvnqke_work: besides... enterprises often have very special needs, so you need to do substantial work in other areas anyways, it's not about having that config ready to use in some other system....
16:19 dec___ anyone had the problem with mnogosearch saying " Fatal error: Cannot redeclare tx_mnogosearch_indexingconfig_labelfunc() " (seems a cache issue?) ... im getting 1 out of 7/8 times or so
16:19 dec___ tried disabling cache and all the likes
16:24 ries dec___: I didn't , but you can contact dmitry about it....it's a strange error though
16:25 dec___ Fatal error: Cannot redeclare tx_mnogosearch_indexingconfig_labelfunc() (previously declared in /var/www/web16/web/typo3conf/temp_CACHED_ps7db7_ext_tables.php:2335) in /var/www/web16/web/typo3conf/temp_CACHED_ps7db7_ext_tables.php on line 2381 that's the exact error :\
16:26 dec___ how would i report this bug?
16:27 st3ff3n maholtz: the rte displays the links correct. they are not displayed only in the frontend
16:27 dec___ off home now, will leave irc on for the answer ;)
16:29 ries dec___: bugs would normally go to : http://bugs.typo3.org/my_view_page.php
16:38 maholtz steffen: yep, so rte looks fine, database looks fine it can only be transformation from database to webpage - thats usually done with typoscript
17:14 st3ff3n maholtz: i can't find anything realted to this in my typoscript
17:14 st3ff3n is there a keyword to look for?
17:15 st3ff3n ah damn i've found it ;)
17:16 maholtz ? what was it?
17:16 st3ff3n in lib.parseFunc_RTE.externalBlocks, there was also a "strong" mentioned ;)
17:18 maholtz outch:)
17:43 kapu I have taken the time to design a fairly large and complex Mysql database to be used with a php driven browser "frontend" I have yet to code. I could easily write the pages in php that would interact with the database. But, I have decided to try to use Typo3 as the base for the webapp. So, currently I have bought all the books on Typo3 I could find, and also have been reading what google...
17:43 kapu ...finds about Typo3. In a nutshell, if I want to use Typo3, I need to code an extension instead of just making html/php pages to manipulate my database, right?
17:55 maholtz it is not the best idea to use TYPO3 for an webapp - its an CMS for different things it is not the best thing, and if you understand typoscript you propably do not need to write an extension
19:47 litzinger with tt_news, how do I change the value of the template token ###LATEST_HEADER### with typoscript in a TSconfig field?
21:46 litzinger with tt_news, how do I change the value of the template token irc://irc.freenode.net/#%23%23LATEST_HEADER%23%23# with typoscript in a TSconfig field?
22:33 timdeluxe someone here with IE7?
23:11 nLudwig i have a problem with a print view for my typo3 page. anyone here to help me? i have use google and other search tools, but nothing can me help. the ext "make a print link" dont help me, 'cause i dont know how i can place it in my template... :-(
23:11 nLudwig i have insert a print css, but my typo3 dont like it?! :P
23:14 nLudwig nobody here? :-P

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