| 01:23 |
evermind |
good eve everybody |
| 02:08 |
ries |
hey evermind |
| 02:12 |
evermind |
hi ries |
| 02:13 |
evermind |
good eve |
| 02:13 |
evermind |
erm, night, erm late |
| 02:13 |
ries |
7:15PM here |
| 02:13 |
ries |
so it's not really that late :) |
| 02:14 |
evermind |
past 2am here, relaxin some |
| 02:14 |
evermind |
enjoying my new dual monitor setup |
| 02:15 |
ries |
evermind: watch your neck _;) |
| 02:16 |
evermind |
both 21" old sony crt's |
| 02:17 |
evermind |
running nvidia twinview with xorg |
| 02:19 |
evermind |
ahh, firefox just got patched, 3.5.1 out |
| 02:19 |
evermind |
fixing the javascript vuln that was discovered this week |
| 02:22 |
evermind |
first check one might want to do with it: check if t3 backend rtehtmlarea is still workin... |
| 02:25 |
evermind |
ok, looks like it works |
| 02:30 |
lazarus477 |
Howdy folks. |
| 02:30 |
lazarus477 |
Is it just me or are the docs on typo3 a bit dated? |
| 02:35 |
evermind |
depends which ones |
| 02:35 |
evermind |
there are many docs |
| 02:36 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: In my case I am refering to the docs on modern template building and on templa voila. |
| 02:36 |
evermind |
with dated you prolly mean the versions mentoined and the screenshots |
| 02:37 |
evermind |
in this case, dunno, havent had used templa voila in years |
| 02:37 |
evermind |
but you could always write the guys a mail... |
| 02:37 |
evermind |
typo3 community is a very friendly and helpful group of ppls |
| 02:38 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: It's ok :-) |
| 03:05 |
ries |
lazarus477: the docs still aplly mostly, but yes... they are indeed dated |
| 03:05 |
lazarus477 |
ries: Thanks for the heads up. |
| 03:07 |
ries |
lazarus477: tsref is up-to-date, your most importand doc... |
| 03:08 |
lazarus477 |
ries: I figured as such and, thank god! If TS Ref was out dated I could imagine a huge headache comming... |
| 03:08 |
evermind |
newly reld is the coding guidelines v2 |
| 03:08 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: ah sounds worth reading. |
| 03:09 |
lazarus477 |
To the interested. I picked up on Typo3 back in 2007 and this past week I have started digging into it and studying templates and templa viola. |
| 03:10 |
ries |
Tv is the way to go :) |
| 03:10 |
evermind |
depends what youre planning to do in which amount of time, ries |
| 03:11 |
evermind |
good thing with tv is, theres pages with complete templavoila sets |
| 03:11 |
lazarus477 |
Well in my case from having studied modern template building and now finishing templa viola I figure I need tv in order to do the layouts I want. |
| 03:11 |
evermind |
so one can just import n run em |
| 03:20 |
lazarus477 |
Sorry for my absence, was on the phone. |
| 03:20 |
lazarus477 |
So is there anything newer, bigger and better than TV? |
| 03:24 |
evermind |
flow3, hehehe |
| 03:24 |
evermind |
no idea whats bigger and better, kinda subjective terms |
| 03:25 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: So is flow3 an extension to typo3 or a separate projects? |
| 03:25 |
evermind |
seperate project |
| 03:26 |
lazarus477 |
Ah |
| 03:26 |
evermind |
flow3.typo3.org i think it was... |
| 03:26 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: Same inventor as typo3 has? |
| 03:26 |
evermind |
no idea |
| 03:26 |
evermind |
i dont think casper is in it |
| 03:27 |
evermind |
and its no university diploma project |
| 03:27 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: I got it. Looks like something to research :-) |
| 03:27 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: Ever heard of midgard? |
| 03:27 |
evermind |
i think so, cant sort it in right now though |
| 03:28 |
evermind |
aight, an rpg |
| 03:28 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: Midgard is a CMS and application API for writing cloud based apps :-) |
| 03:28 |
evermind |
ahh, didnt knew that one |
| 03:28 |
evermind |
but there are so many... |
| 03:29 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: I found out about midgard last year at a linux conference held in sweden. The fellows behind it are fro Finland. |
| 03:29 |
evermind |
will have a look though |
| 03:29 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: Midgard is for writing cloud apps which run both locally on the client end plus centrally at a server end and with data replication. |
| 03:29 |
evermind |
i guess im getting older, some modern terms start to escape me |
| 03:30 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: So this means the app you create will keep functioning even if the internet connection goes dead and resync data when the connection gets re-established. |
| 03:30 |
evermind |
so thats the thing you have with desktop applications |
| 03:30 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: I am meaning to study up on it as well. |
| 03:31 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: Basically yea but the application itself is on 1 or several central servers, no need to download updates, from what I understood. |
| 03:31 |
evermind |
yea, but if you want to have it running locally without connection, youd have to have at least a subset of the app on your box |
| 03:31 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: A Midgard app would run as a cloud app but with the benefits of a locally installed ap + a cloud app. |
| 03:32 |
evermind |
you dont need to write my name always, i can read you quite well;=) |
| 03:32 |
evermind |
and i dont think we are that overloaded on chat at that time of the night |
| 03:32 |
lazarus477 |
Sorry |
| 03:32 |
lazarus477 |
haha |
| 03:32 |
lazarus477 |
True. Old habit. |
| 03:33 |
evermind |
sounds like a base s-c setup |
| 03:33 |
lazarus477 |
But anyways. Midgard is for apps. This place is for typo3. So I am into typo3 at the moment for the sole purpose of creating better websites. |
| 03:33 |
evermind |
what does it live at, java? |
| 03:33 |
lazarus477 |
php if memory serves me right |
| 03:34 |
evermind |
php without having a server might be a bit hard to run |
| 03:34 |
evermind |
last time i checked windows users had no local php binary |
| 03:34 |
lazarus477 |
I had the two main developers upload to my brain all the info they could during a 1 hours session, lol. |
| 03:34 |
evermind |
1 hour, ouch |
| 03:34 |
lazarus477 |
I was so into their presentation that they ended up focusing on me to discuss their examples. |
| 03:35 |
lazarus477 |
One of the main developers is a former finish army officer, a rather nice fellow. |
| 03:35 |
evermind |
so not just students |
| 03:36 |
evermind |
so theres actually something like a release plan) |
| 03:36 |
lazarus477 |
He reminded me strongly of a close friend of mine who is into automotive engineering and some electronics. Outstanding people. |
| 03:36 |
lazarus477 |
Oh yes |
| 03:36 |
lazarus477 |
http://www.midgard-project.org/ |
| 03:36 |
evermind |
ive been in typo3 since early 2005 |
| 03:36 |
lazarus477 |
Nice |
| 03:37 |
evermind |
into computers and computerwork alot longer |
| 03:37 |
evermind |
been an admin for many years, thats why i actually have a look at maybe some other things than just your usual webdev |
| 03:37 |
lazarus477 |
How long would you say it took you to make good use of it for the creation of a site with TV. Counting from day one? |
| 03:37 |
evermind |
like stability, patcheability, right way to distribute to hundreds of servers... |
| 03:38 |
lazarus477 |
I dig |
| 03:38 |
evermind |
since im not a big tv user, only used it 3 times so far, it still really depends on the content |
| 03:38 |
lazarus477 |
I have been at the computer helm since I was 16, solving problems that is. Past 6 years professionally. |
| 03:38 |
evermind |
you cannot say how long something takes if you dont know the things ppls want in it |
| 03:38 |
evermind |
if id really count years, started 1989 at an age of 9 |
| 03:39 |
lazarus477 |
Got my own business doing common service work like fixing broken PCs, doing network setups, servers, consulting along with a bunch of odd tasks. |
| 03:39 |
evermind |
hehehe, did that for a few years too, while school and study time |
| 03:39 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: Yea well I charge by the hour, it's a living, hehe. |
| 03:40 |
lazarus477 |
But I do spend more than half of my time studying. |
| 03:40 |
lazarus477 |
I study for myself. Digging into new technologies to do new things with. |
| 03:40 |
lazarus477 |
Jumped on the Linux and GPL wagon almost 3 years ago, been a staggering success. |
| 03:40 |
evermind |
i currently spend bout 40 hours a week in coding typo3 extensions and other php,.net stuff |
| 03:41 |
lazarus477 |
Got my first linux server sold after the first year of using linux for my own home office. |
| 03:41 |
lazarus477 |
oho cool |
| 03:41 |
lazarus477 |
Then I will count you as a veteran :-) |
| 03:41 |
evermind |
partly |
| 03:41 |
evermind |
i guess its part of live to learn that you dont know everything |
| 03:42 |
lazarus477 |
But the time frame I asked about was not "how long it takes to make a site." but rather: How long did it take you to become comfortable using typo3? |
| 03:42 |
evermind |
comfortable hehehe, what a word... |
| 03:42 |
evermind |
lemme try to stick some timelines into it... |
| 03:42 |
lazarus477 |
Yep I learned eventually that I knew very little and the more I learn the more I see is out there. One has to specialize. |
| 03:42 |
evermind |
it took me roughly 4 weeks to get from installing typo3 to my first page |
| 03:43 |
evermind |
after half a year i had a state where i actually felt no pain anymore doing pi1 stuff |
| 03:43 |
evermind |
theres still some things i learn everyday in it though |
| 03:44 |
evermind |
while looking at other ppls code and writing and debugging my own |
| 03:44 |
lazarus477 |
Ok. That was the answer I was hoping for :-) Tells me I got a fair chance. |
| 03:44 |
evermind |
well, im a slow learner, maybe cause i do need to fully understand before remembering stuff |
| 03:44 |
evermind |
maybe cause i never was really good at math's |
| 03:44 |
lazarus477 |
Got a silly question. Why would you need to be coding so many custom extentions? |
| 03:45 |
lazarus477 |
I am the same way. |
| 03:45 |
evermind |
well, not all the time |
| 03:45 |
evermind |
but we have some big customers, who tend to not feel happy with what 3rd party extensions come with |
| 03:45 |
lazarus477 |
I see |
| 03:45 |
evermind |
they tend to want more features than a 3rd party is filling |
| 03:45 |
lazarus477 |
Ok that I can imagine. |
| 03:45 |
evermind |
and for the sake of easy updateing of their web i then go to writing my own ext's, or hook into existing ones |
| 03:46 |
lazarus477 |
I was afraid the answer would be something like: You cannot get good templates without writing custom extentions, haha. |
| 03:46 |
evermind |
rather than extending 3rd party extensions, and then with the next sec update of the ext youll be having probs of all sorts |
| 03:46 |
lazarus477 |
I can imagine that too |
| 03:47 |
evermind |
templates in ext's for me are a sideeffect |
| 03:47 |
lazarus477 |
I beleive I studied the docs, installed and setup typo3 plus created my first site all in one days work :-) |
| 03:47 |
lazarus477 |
Two years ago... |
| 03:47 |
evermind |
when im done with the logic, i really do some good marker thingie, and let my designers decide how they position stuff |
| 03:48 |
lazarus477 |
Now during the past 7 days I have dug back into the docs and am going through them from scratch again but extending my studies to template designing and TV. |
| 03:48 |
evermind |
one thing that helped me greatly in understanding typo3 was making my personal page in it |
| 03:48 |
lazarus477 |
Basically. I setup and used typo3 all in a day and then did not touch it for two years, lack of time. |
| 03:48 |
evermind |
like i learned bout gnu/linux cause i actually didnt do dual boot but installed it |
| 03:49 |
lazarus477 |
That was a smart thing to do. |
| 03:49 |
evermind |
and i have written way too lil the past few months btw |
| 03:49 |
lazarus477 |
I did something similar. When I came to the conclusion that GPL software was creaping into my toolset I ended up making a big switch on all my PCs to run Linux. |
| 03:49 |
evermind |
should start writing some tutorials again |
| 03:50 |
evermind |
maybe in august, when im on vacation |
| 03:50 |
lazarus477 |
Dual boot for practical reasons. |
| 03:50 |
lazarus477 |
I love tutorials :-) |
| 03:50 |
evermind |
i wrote some for big communities and debian-administration.org, then added a few, and thought itd be good to have em centralized somewhere |
| 03:50 |
evermind |
thats why i started one of my first pages |
| 03:51 |
lazarus477 |
I see |
| 03:51 |
evermind |
focusing on chrooting dns/apache etc..., dns setup, some distributed install stuff etc |
| 03:51 |
lazarus477 |
I am glad I ran into you. You have already during our discussion answered my bigger questions about typo3 :-) |
| 03:51 |
lazarus477 |
Nice stuff too |
| 03:52 |
lazarus477 |
I am working on trying to offer subscirption based services which are GPL based and run on linux platforms. |
| 03:53 |
lazarus477 |
I was kind of taken by things like OpenVPN, Bacula and BackupPC. |
| 03:53 |
lazarus477 |
Also cloud computing is a buz these days. |
| 03:53 |
lazarus477 |
So I am heading in these directios. |
| 03:53 |
evermind |
there are so many things that are buzzes |
| 03:53 |
lazarus477 |
directions |
| 03:53 |
lazarus477 |
yup |
| 03:53 |
evermind |
im playing a bit with django too |
| 03:54 |
evermind |
looking on the good things in both worlds, and trying to combine |
| 03:54 |
lazarus477 |
Oh a month ago I discovered I had artistic tallents hidden away. Ended up doing something I could not have imagined, a wonderful drawing in Inkscape. |
| 03:54 |
evermind |
=) |
| 03:54 |
lazarus477 |
So now I plan to extend my field of work to graphical related. |
| 03:54 |
evermind |
i do know some things in gimp n ps, but not really the graphical type |
| 03:54 |
evermind |
a blank page is a blank page for me |
| 03:55 |
lazarus477 |
Same here but something strange happned when I was asked to use my simple tallents at vector drawing in inkscape to do a car photo replica. |
| 03:55 |
lazarus477 |
Turned out I could do more than I thought which was limited to simple logo type designs. |
| 03:56 |
evermind |
see, thats a prob with web design afaik, as customers most of the time dont really know what they want |
| 03:56 |
evermind |
they come to you and say "i want a good looking page" |
| 03:56 |
evermind |
well, whats good looking |
| 03:56 |
evermind |
most of the time you point em to a few pages, and they check what they like there |
| 03:56 |
evermind |
so you can focus on something |
| 03:57 |
evermind |
well, at least here, maybe other companies do it differently |
| 03:57 |
evermind |
i love the ones: "just like youtube" |
| 03:58 |
lazarus477 |
Same here |
| 03:58 |
lazarus477 |
I have had similar discussions with companies asking me to give them a stylish site. |
| 03:58 |
lazarus477 |
I ended up after having done a few jobs saying "Sorry not into that!". |
| 03:58 |
lazarus477 |
haha |
| 03:58 |
evermind |
im so happy i can relay that stuff at designer guys |
| 03:59 |
evermind |
im really the functional and content type |
| 03:59 |
lazarus477 |
After a few odd site jobs I found I was not delivering what I was expecting of myself and lacked skills using tools and lacked some theory. |
| 03:59 |
lazarus477 |
Here is what blew my top a month ago with digital art: http://upload.snelhest.org/images/090719drawing.png |
| 03:59 |
evermind |
which tools are you using for developing? |
| 03:59 |
evermind |
just out of curiosity |
| 03:59 |
ries |
evermind: I always used TV... modern template building is PHP templating from the 90th... :D |
| 04:00 |
lazarus477 |
Sure. I use Gimp. Inkscape, Blender, VIM and various small utilities. |
| 04:00 |
evermind |
ive been lately spending more time in eclipse |
| 04:00 |
ries |
lazarus477: The 'inventor' is mostly robbert but he has a small team behind him... But by no means FLOW3 is a CMS, in it's current state it's just a fancy framework |
| 04:01 |
lazarus477 |
ries: noted. |
| 04:01 |
evermind |
i do see alot of good ideas in flow3 though |
| 04:01 |
ries |
about Midgard... Midgard is already REALLY old... but mnever knew they wend in the cloud direction |
| 04:01 |
evermind |
can go big |
| 04:01 |
lazarus477 |
sorry for not linking to the original svg file, kinda not under my copyright, haha. |
| 04:01 |
ries |
I will be away again :) |
| 04:02 |
lazarus477 |
But my business name is on the cars rear end :-) |
| 04:02 |
ries |
Currently I am not sure about FLOW3, there are issues to solve that are needed for real world web applications |
| 04:02 |
lazarus477 |
ries: That is not to hard to understand. Takes a few years to develop such things. |
| 04:03 |
evermind |
yeah, not everyones a genius, so things take time |
| 04:04 |
lazarus477 |
Here is the original digital photo of the car I was to vectorize: http://upload.snelhest.org/images/090719090614mitsubishi-i-miev.jpg |
| 04:04 |
lazarus477 |
Genious my ass. Hard studying and liking it. |
| 04:05 |
evermind |
i know ppls who write firmware in pspad, im not one of them |
| 04:05 |
lazarus477 |
What scares me the most is becomming a success and having to drop the dirty work which is fun, the technichal stuff. |
| 04:05 |
lazarus477 |
Thats new to me |
| 04:06 |
lazarus477 |
I like my car 8-) |
| 04:07 |
lazarus477 |
Which I had more time, then I would also study up on my driving book, lol. |
| 04:07 |
lazarus477 |
or instead of time, more energy. |
| 04:07 |
lazarus477 |
got time but am pooped. |
| 04:07 |
evermind |
success, bleh |
| 04:07 |
lazarus477 |
bleh indeed. |
| 04:07 |
evermind |
live takes you where it wants you, dont really jump somewhere here |
| 04:08 |
lazarus477 |
What I want most is 1) plenty of money, 2) to be left alone to my studies and 3) to have fun with my family. |
| 04:08 |
evermind |
i just want to have fun |
| 04:09 |
lazarus477 |
Yep. I was not aiming at becomming the local regions nr1 tech guy in the outback. I was aiming to deliver pizzas or be a preast, plan B was to become a bum. Go figure. |
| 04:10 |
lazarus477 |
Well computers are allways fun but there are times I do get sick of them. Then I enjoy tinkering with things like two stroke engines.. |
| 04:10 |
evermind |
i love to go out with friends and meet some girls |
| 04:10 |
evermind |
not really the mechanic kinda type |
| 04:11 |
lazarus477 |
But due to life being what it is. I have not done much two-stroke mechanics in the past years. |
| 04:11 |
lazarus477 |
Hehe |
| 04:11 |
lazarus477 |
Give this man a monkey wrench and an overall! I shall show ya how fun it can be :-) |
| 04:11 |
evermind |
or spend nights in front of newly setup gimmicks... |
| 04:11 |
lazarus477 |
Mechanichal work is fun. You need to get into the write zone though. |
| 04:12 |
evermind |
id love to do mech stuff, but i had wayy too many electroshocks the past few years, so i know its not my thing |
| 04:12 |
lazarus477 |
First you need your mechanichal friends gathered. A few cans of beer, some smokes, cigars are good. Then some really dirty engines and plenty of oil and rags. Then do some tuning up while listening to loud music. |
| 04:12 |
lazarus477 |
Plenty of goofing off. |
| 04:13 |
evermind |
if i want to go in depth i do kernel compiles and bugfixing modules |
| 04:13 |
lazarus477 |
Hehehe |
| 04:13 |
lazarus477 |
kinky |
| 04:13 |
lazarus477 |
I don't do bugfixing, I do workarounds :-) |
| 04:13 |
evermind |
good base before doing kernel compiles: a few double whiskeys, a good cigar and some black bread with butter |
| 04:13 |
lazarus477 |
Next time my kernel is messed up I will flame you through email :-) |
| 04:14 |
lazarus477 |
Ah |
| 04:14 |
lazarus477 |
You eat dark bread, me too. Love it with butter and pickled herring. |
| 04:14 |
evermind |
"buddy i just forgot to compile the keyboard drivers, is that bad?" |
| 04:14 |
lazarus477 |
Yes |
| 04:14 |
lazarus477 |
haha |
| 04:15 |
lazarus477 |
I used to recompile my kernel ever so often back when I used gentoo. |
| 04:15 |
evermind |
i had a counter once |
| 04:15 |
evermind |
stopped counting when it hit 120 compiles |
| 04:15 |
lazarus477 |
Once I had to compile a custom OpenBSD kernel to kick RAID into action, horrible stuff. |
| 04:15 |
lazarus477 |
oh |
| 04:16 |
evermind |
mainly linux kernels |
| 04:16 |
evermind |
allthough had some fun with freebsd ones too |
| 04:16 |
lazarus477 |
I try to avoid kernel compiling. Good to know but best not to be needed. |
| 04:16 |
evermind |
i was making special kernels for servers |
| 04:17 |
evermind |
monolithic, no module loader, no monitor |
| 04:17 |
evermind |
exactly one nic module, the one thats in the box |
| 04:17 |
lazarus477 |
Oh yes you mentioned using Eclipse. I tried it out way back but never quite figured it out. Any good? |
| 04:17 |
evermind |
eclipse is darn nice for coding php stuff these days |
| 04:18 |
lazarus477 |
Hmm. I think I shall give it another try later when I start digging into PHP. |
| 04:18 |
evermind |
with a huge base on plugins for all kinds os uploads, svn, cvs etc... |
| 04:18 |
lazarus477 |
I know javascript, did lots of that ten years ago. |
| 04:18 |
evermind |
i got the galileo rel running atm |
| 04:18 |
evermind |
which afaik is their current rc |
| 04:18 |
lazarus477 |
Ah |
| 04:18 |
evermind |
i try to avoid js |
| 04:19 |
lazarus477 |
Me too |
| 04:19 |
lazarus477 |
It is slow as hell |
| 04:19 |
evermind |
that can be tuned, just a personal preference of mine to stay without |
| 04:19 |
lazarus477 |
Also I prefer server side code execution whenever possible. |
| 04:19 |
evermind |
maybe cause i run noscript in my ff |
| 04:19 |
lazarus477 |
hehe |
| 04:24 |
evermind |
hmm, i wonder if you can sign services to have unsigned not starting in windows |
| 04:24 |
evermind |
for security things |
| 04:24 |
evermind |
lets google some up |
| 04:28 |
lazarus477 |
Beats me |
| 04:28 |
evermind |
kinda like the module signature thing in current 2.6 kernels |
| 04:37 |
lazarus477 |
From my reading I find several typos or spelling errors in the template related docs. |
| 04:37 |
lazarus477 |
If I ever get the time I might offer to help clean them up. |
| 04:38 |
lazarus477 |
Would also have been nice to have a PDF doc containing a legend of all used acronyms. |
| 04:41 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: How is TV these days? The docs were written back during Beta stage and I am cursious of the little silly frontend issues such as order of operations have been worked out in recent times? |
| 08:14 |
Man27rus |
gg |
| 08:15 |
Man27rus |
Hi all |
| 12:31 |
Provito |
has anyone had success with mysql5.1's xml functions and extracting flex data ? |
| 13:21 |
Provito |
bah it seems to be a bug with mysql5.1 http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=38227 |
| 13:21 |
Provito |
since the flexform data is stored with a doctype EXTRACTVALUE wont parse the data |
| 14:12 |
atmos4 |
Is it possible to query multiple tables using pi_exec_query() or do I have to resort to the generic sql() or exec_SELECT_queryArray for that? |
| 14:12 |
atmos4 |
I need to order by sorting of a foreign table linked through uid mapping but without an extra mm table |
| 14:14 |
Golgata |
hey... anybody experienced indexed_search with framesets? |
| 14:16 |
timdeluxe |
wow, you use frames nowadays? crazy... |
| 14:23 |
Golgata |
yes, some older browsers... but maybe i try doing it with divs... or tables? |
| 14:25 |
timdeluxe |
divs! |
| 14:25 |
Golgata |
my problem is that clicking "search" opens the search page in the content frame - but without results and instead with header- and menu-frame, so i see them twice... |
| 14:25 |
Golgata |
yes, i know... |
| 14:26 |
Golgata |
but i would need some "fixed"-divs, and older internet explorers have problems with that |
| 14:27 |
Golgata |
does the "search"-button have something like a "target"? |
| 14:27 |
timdeluxe |
dont know |
| 14:27 |
timdeluxe |
i think the indexed_search developers didnt have cared for frames |
| 14:31 |
Golgata |
it worked first, but suddenly it broke... i looked through the protocols, but i didnt get a hint what could be wrong... |
| 15:23 |
atmos4 |
hmm, I'd be lost without the php debugger in eclipse :-) just stepped through a complex query building to see what query gets build and where's the sql syntax error |
| 15:27 |
Phlogi_ |
Anyone has tried out templavoila.busynoggin.com ? |
| 15:31 |
atmos4 |
na, I decided that templavoila is a failure by concept |
| 15:32 |
atmos4 |
it can do very flexible layouts, but anything involving extensions or searching tables becomes a real pain |
| 15:33 |
Phlogi_ |
atmos4: I never had any real problems with extensions... the searching issue however I accept... |
| 15:34 |
Phlogi_ |
that site looks clean and modern, and is a good documentation, exactly what TYPO3 is missing |
| 15:34 |
Phlogi_ |
I might try this out, it looks really promising |
| 15:34 |
atmos4 |
well I found mapping to tv templates from withtin extension and the mapping process of tv itself very time consuming |
| 15:36 |
atmos4 |
I might revisit tv if I have a page that requires very flexible layout and does not carry complex database content |
| 15:36 |
Phlogi_ |
atmos4: that thing adresses those issues, at least I think when using tv, this should be used |
| 15:36 |
atmos4 |
I'll bookmark it, looks interesting |
| 15:37 |
Phlogi_ |
atmos4: yes me too, the skins that come with typo3 are a joke anyway... they should ship something more modern |
| 15:37 |
Phlogi_ |
the package on that site does exactly that... I think thats a good idea and something else typo3 is missing |
| 15:38 |
atmos4 |
hmm, I never use default templates, so I don't really care what typo3 ships with, but the four columns offered by typo3 can at times be limiting |
| 15:40 |
Phlogi_ |
anyone knows good documentation for writing extensions using extbase and the modern mvc approach? |
| 15:44 |
atmos4 |
I think the tutorial is still in the works |
| 15:46 |
atmos4 |
Phlogi_: just looked at the video |
| 15:46 |
atmos4 |
looks promising |
| 15:52 |
Phlogi_ |
hmm how do I read those docbook xml files? |
| 15:57 |
timdeluxe |
Phlogi_: by reading the source, by converting them to html or pdf oder by installing xmlmind |
| 15:59 |
atmos4 |
hmmm, if only I had the features of firefox and the speed of safari 4 in one browser |
| 16:00 |
Phlogi_ |
en/manual/index.xml does not validate |
| 16:00 |
Phlogi_ |
atmos4: speed of 3.5 is fine for me |
| 16:00 |
atmos4 |
is still much slower than safari 4 |
| 16:00 |
atmos4 |
only try out the typo3 backend |
| 16:01 |
atmos4 |
besides firefox is very sluggish for me when scrolling through large pages |
| 16:05 |
atmos4 |
btw. just came across http://wiki.typo3.org/OpenSearch |
| 16:05 |
atmos4 |
tsref search provider for FF |
| 16:06 |
nd |
yeah, firebug for safari would render ff useless for me |
| 16:07 |
Guest15913 |
+1 |
| 16:08 |
Guest15913 |
d |
| 16:09 |
HardPhuck |
safari has something similar to firebug |
| 16:09 |
HardPhuck |
but it's usability is low |
| 16:10 |
atmos4 |
web inspector is great |
| 16:10 |
atmos4 |
not as good as firebug but still very good |
| 16:10 |
nd |
yes, it's not bad but doesn't replace fb yet, IMHO |
| 16:10 |
atmos4 |
ususally I can work with it pretty well |
| 16:10 |
nd |
javascript code error display is way better though |
| 16:10 |
atmos4 |
id doesn not support firephp though |
| 16:11 |
nd |
and it's sooo much faster on complex DOMs that fb |
| 16:11 |
atmos4 |
yea and they finally changed it so it can be enabled per page |
| 16:12 |
nd |
funny is, chrome has the same inspector than safari :) |
| 16:12 |
nd |
I thought they only share the engine |
| 16:12 |
atmos4 |
in earlier versions debugging and stuff was always global |
| 16:12 |
atmos4 |
yea the web inspector is in webkit |
| 16:12 |
nd |
ah |
| 16:12 |
nd |
didn't know |
| 16:12 |
atmos4 |
if y<ou use webkit instead of safari it also has it |
| 16:12 |
nd |
so my iphone should have it too :D |
| 16:12 |
atmos4 |
safari is only the gui really |
| 16:13 |
nd |
I know that... but I thought the inspector to be part of safari, not the rendering engine |
| 16:13 |
atmos4 |
well the iphone could have it, but I dodn't think they ported it |
| 16:13 |
nd |
at least it's not in the gui... so you cannot use it |
| 16:13 |
atmos4 |
my oldish nokia n95 also runs webkit, but an ancient port |
| 16:14 |
nd |
jup |
| 16:14 |
atmos4 |
besides it runs out of memory if a webpage reaches about 1 MByte |
| 16:14 |
nd |
hehe |
| 16:14 |
atmos4 |
which is very common these days |
| 16:14 |
nd |
hardware-problem |
| 16:14 |
atmos4 |
also I wonder why most pages are so huge |
| 16:14 |
atmos4 |
the pages I create download 300k at most |
| 16:15 |
atmos4 |
must be lots of unoptimized graphics |
| 16:15 |
nd |
yeah... |
| 16:16 |
nd |
or embedding big images with width:/height: to scale em :) |
| 16:25 |
Phlogi |
http://guidesigner.net/uncategorized/collection-of-firefox-3-5-plugins-for-web-development-and-social-network/ might be helpful |
| 16:40 |
_pedda_ |
hi all |
| 19:15 |
m4rtijn |
hi all |
| 19:15 |
m4rtijn |
is somebody here who speaks english natively? |
| 19:26 |
lazarus477 |
evermind: I finally read through thr TV docs. |
| 19:27 |
lazarus477 |
thr = the |
| 19:28 |
Phlogi |
lazarus477: you might want to checkout http://templavoila.busynoggin.com/ |
| 19:30 |
atmos4_ |
m4rtijn: fluent, but not natively, maybe I can help |
| 19:31 |
Phlogi |
m4rtijn: maybe #english |
| 19:32 |
lazarus477 |
Phlogi: Oh thank you. Was not asking for help, hehe. I was only keeping evermind up to date on my reading-progress. |
| 19:32 |
m4rtijn |
hehe. is there a channel? |
| 19:32 |
lazarus477 |
He and I had a convesation about 12 hours ago. |
| 19:33 |
m4rtijn |
I was wondering if I could use "if differing" like.. address: ( if differing ) |
| 19:33 |
m4rtijn |
ah cool, I will ask in #english |
| 19:33 |
lazarus477 |
Phlogi: Hey this URL you gave me. Is it a TV dedicated site of some sort? Looks interesting. |
| 19:34 |
Phlogi |
lazarus477: its totally interesting, If I were you I would read that and try it out... I don't have to create a new page atm, but I'm going to try this out one day |
| 19:35 |
m4rtijn |
Phlogi: what url? |
| 19:35 |
lazarus477 |
m4rtijn: http://templavoila.busynoggin.com/ |
| 19:35 |
lazarus477 |
Phlogi: If I understand you correctly. This site contains premade TV templates ready for use? |
| 19:36 |
atmos4_ |
m4rtijn: I'd probably use if deviating from above or sth. |
| 19:36 |
Phlogi |
lazarus477: basically, its a little more |
| 19:36 |
lazarus477 |
Aha |
| 19:36 |
Phlogi |
lazarus477: watch the video ;) |
| 19:36 |
lazarus477 |
OHO! Video, love video! |
| 19:39 |
m4rtijn |
atmos4_: thx, but that would be to long.. I have limited character space .. |
| 19:39 |
lazarus477 |
Phlogi: I shall dig through the site and see whats there. |
| 19:40 |
lazarus477 |
For now I need to drop out from here for a while. |
| 19:40 |
atmos4_ |
if deviating is not much longer than if differeing =) |
| 19:40 |
lazarus477 |
ta ta. |
| 19:40 |
Phlogi |
yes, looks clean and modern ;() |
| 19:53 |
atmos4_ |
Please try out the TYPO3 search bookmarklet and see if it works for you: English: http://bit.ly/javhS German: http://bit.ly/qzNa0 |
| 19:54 |
atmos4_ |
search for eg. coa or image |
| 19:58 |
m4rtijn |
atmos4: seems to be working fine |
| 19:59 |
atmos4 |
which browser did you test? |
| 19:59 |
atmos4 |
I checkd in safari 4 and firefox 3.5 |
| 20:00 |
m4rtijn |
opera |
| 20:00 |
m4rtijn |
9.52 |
| 20:04 |
Phlogi |
atmos4: could you create one for: http://www.typo3.net/tsref/ ? |
| 20:04 |
atmos4 |
it does already search tsref |
| 20:05 |
atmos4 |
but on support.typo3.org |
| 20:05 |
atmos4 |
but should be easy for this aswell |
| 20:05 |
atmos4 |
as long as the form support referer free posts |
| 20:09 |
Phlogi |
atmos4: you know typo3.org sucks ;) |
| 20:11 |
atmos4 |
I'll give it a try |
| 20:29 |
atmos4 |
Phlogi: tryout http://bit.ly/1iW9lL |
| 20:31 |
atmos4 |
searches the tsref on typo3.net |
| 20:31 |
Phlogi |
great |
| 20:32 |
Phlogi |
atmos4: what If I don't have bookmarks toolbar? Could you create it for firefox searchplugin? |
| 20:32 |
atmos4 |
you'd have to use opensearch for that |
| 20:32 |
atmos4 |
with the right xml file it might work |
| 21:02 |
atmos4 |
Phlogi: I've already got an opensearch plugin working, just doinjg some changes so it uses post request |
| 21:22 |
atmos4 |
hmm, it seems firefox doesn't like opensearch post requests |
| 21:27 |
atmos4 |
Phlogi: just go to http://bit.ly/11wnKN and add the new search engine from the context menu of the search field |
| 21:28 |
atmos4 |
couldn't get post working, so it uses get request, but should be fine |
| 21:30 |
atmos4 |
works for me in FF 3.5 |
| 21:54 |
Phlogi |
atmos4: thanks, thats great |
| 21:56 |
atmos4 |
np, glad to give back to the typo3 community |
