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00:02 voidus litzinger: just put a function into your localconf.php. and use it. without any prefix
00:02 litzinger then how do i call that function and use the returned value in a conditional?
00:03 litzinger the way i included it, it works. it returns the number of children to temp.info
00:03 voidus why do you need returned value? it's just true/false, doesn't it?
00:03 litzinger true or false would work. either way... i need to put it into a conditional
00:03 litzinger [treeLevel = 3,4] || [temp.info = 0]
00:03 litzinger lib.nav_page.entryLevel = 3
00:03 litzinger [else]
00:03 litzinger lib.nav_page.entryLevel = 2
00:03 litzinger [end]
00:04 voidus litzinger: just [treeLevel = 3,4] || [hasNoChildren]
00:04 litzinger oh
00:05 voidus oh, i'm wrong
00:05 voidus [userFunc = hasNoChildren()]
00:06 voidus instead of just [hasNoChildren]
00:13 litzinger something in that php func is causing my site to white screen
00:14 voidus check your apache log.
00:14 voidus there is a mistake in the func
00:14 litzinger yeah, $GLOBALS['TSFE']->id isn't printing anything
00:17 litzinger $GLOBALS doesn't contain TSFE key
00:23 litzinger TYPO3_DB isn't available in my GLOBALS either
00:38 litzinger i'll be back tomorrow to finish this... it still isn't working
00:53 Denyerec voidus - you still working with Typo3 ?
00:53 Denyerec Or did you fall into the snakepit?
00:53 Denyerec (Python)
00:54 voidus Denyerec: i'm python man now... and a bit javascript
00:55 Denyerec Pure python, or are you working with Plone?
00:56 voidus i don't use plone... but use django and a lot of different libraries
00:57 voidus playing with Twisted, for example
00:57 Denyerec how are you finding it ?
00:57 voidus pypi.python.org =)
00:57 voidus python have a "repository" on the language level
00:58 voidus you just use command like "easy_install Twisted" or "pip install Twisted"
00:58 voidus and package is being downloaded and installed
00:58 Denyerec Is python a good language to use?
00:59 Denyerec I mean... is it nice to work with ?
00:59 voidus yes.. a lot of fun
00:59 Denyerec Everyone goes on about Ruby, never hear much talk of Python
00:59 voidus Ruby is for... hackers. the people who need good substitute for Perl
01:00 voidus Ruby is definitely more complicated than Python
01:00 voidus probably that gives more advantages and possibilities..
01:01 voidus but disadvantages is there too..
01:01 Denyerec So what do you use Python for ?
01:01 Denyerec Largescale web apps?
01:01 Denyerec Small scripts?
01:01 Denyerec Making toast?
01:02 voidus for all of that except making toast, because i have no programmable toaster (and no toaster at all)
01:04 voidus python have a lot of libs... for a lot of different needs
01:04 voidus from making simple home page to natural language analyze
01:07 voidus after using python javascript is a really hard language
01:07 voidus fun, but hard...
01:08 Denyerec I always feel like a hacker
01:08 Denyerec making things work, but never making new things
01:08 Denyerec I've been stuck on a stupid simplistic extension for ages
01:08 Denyerec just... never knoww here to start
01:08 Denyerec anyway
01:08 Denyerec I'm in a very depressed mood, so should go to bed before it gets worse.
01:09 Denyerec I'll badger you in the morrow.
01:09 voidus good decision.
01:09 voidus ok)
01:10 voidus I also usually feel depressed at about 3 a.m or so..
07:07 MasterYin Morning everyone
07:07 MasterYin Anybody awake allready?
09:27 _pedda_ hi all
09:31 nike^on hi how can i add plugins to the Text editor in typo3 ? .. i need somesthing else link underline
09:47 iaj nike^on try http://www.vikar.de/uploads/media/manual_rte.pdf
10:07 iaj which value have I to change to switch to tinyrte?
10:14 _pedda_ in order to switch to tinyrte tinyrte has to be installed in the em
10:15 _pedda_ nike^on: underline link ? this is an css issue
10:15 _pedda_ whether links are underlined or not in your project
10:15 nike^on not links... normal text
10:16 nike^on i only want too view more buttons in the text editor
10:22 nike^on does anyone know the mailformplus extension ?
10:25 _pedda_ underline is disabled in your rtehtmlarea ?
10:25 _pedda_ if so check the pagets config of your root page
10:28 fred^^ Having a problem with empty RSS w/ tt_news - http://www.nearadio.no/rss.xml - Setup is at http://www.phlogi.net/f/t3/tsp/sp/-e33d6508ae/
10:29 elmargol Hi I just installed the realurl extension and if i go to http://foobar/something I get to the something page and then forwarded after 2-3 seconds to http://foobar/
10:31 elmargol ohh found the problem some sort of evil java script iframe :/
10:32 nike^on _pedda_ yes ... this is my editor http://img263.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=23582_Zwischenablage01_122_176lo.jpg
10:34 _pedda_ fred^^: where should the feed get it's news from, if you don't specify the newsfolder ?!?!?!
10:34 _pedda_ or is {$plugin.tt_news.singlePid} set in constants ?
10:34 _pedda_ erm
10:36 _pedda_ *{$plugin.tt_news.pid_list}
10:36 fred^^ Yes, it is set in constants, as usual
10:37 fred^^ There must be something inflicting here, because this setup work on other sites. Im not sure what would be the reason, though
10:38 _pedda_ well.. that's what i just wanted to sayy.. i checked some setups of mine.. and they look similar
10:38 _pedda_ hmm
10:38 _pedda_ create a new sysfolder
10:38 _pedda_ and create some news in it , modify the pid_list constant then
10:39 fred^^ Yes, thats a good ide
10:39 _pedda_ or just replace the {$...} thing with the proper id
10:39 fred^^ I'll also try to change the category settings
10:39 _pedda_ for the feed
10:45 fred^^ Didn't help me
10:45 fred^^ Somehow, I believe this got to do with categories
10:46 iaj grrmm anyone knows offhand where to change the initial size from tinyrtes HTML editor?
10:46 fred^^ Most often than not, whenever my news doesnt show up, it's the categories
10:47 fred^^ iaj, tinymce? you can add width and height to the setup, I think - like RTE.default.init { width = 400
10:47 fred^^ height = 500 }
10:47 fred^^ might work for tinyrte as well
10:48 fred^^ http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/extension-manuals/tinyrte/1.8.1/view/1/5/
10:48 iaj fred^^ yeh.. I can actually set those values in tinyrtes config
10:49 iaj but those are only referring to the RTE itself, not its HTML SOURCE EDITOR
10:49 Denyerec Does anyone know how to make a TV mapped attribute default to something if the user doesn't define it ?
10:50 Denyerec I want to have the option to use a different header image on certain pages, defaulting back to the frontpage / default one if they forget to set it.
10:50 Phlogi hi guys
10:52 _pedda_ hello Phlogi
10:55 pmk65 iaj: Are you using TinyRTE or TinyMCE RTE?
10:55 kinea someone knows how to configure coolurl to use only the last segment of the path?
10:55 kinea *cooluri
10:56 pmk65 Denyerec: For pluginflexforms I use the <default>value</default> tag. Maybe it works in a FCE too?
10:59 kinea ah just found it: Exclude this page from middle of a page path
10:59 iaj pmk65 tineRTE I think.. sec. :D
10:59 iaj tinyrte < exact name of plugin
11:01 pmk65 iaj: Switch to TinyMCE RTE as TinyRTE doesn't get updated very often, and lack several features found in TinyMCE RTE.
11:01 iaj pmk65 alright Ill give it a try
11:01 pmk65 In TinyMCE RTE it's easy to change the size of the various windows, like the source window.
11:02 pmk65 example of changing the sourcewindow size -> http://forge.typo3.org/wiki/extension-tinymce_rte/FAQ
11:05 iaj pmk65 gna... would need to upgrade typo for that :/
11:05 Phlogi hi pmk65
11:06 pmk65 hi Phlogi
11:06 Bluespuke hmmm...
11:06 Bluespuke since a moment directmail doesn't encode the urls correctly...
11:07 pmk65 iaj: There's a 4.1 patch available for TinyMCE RTE (Or you could try and see if the same settings work for TinyRTE)
11:07 Denyerec pmk - in the XML definition you mean?
11:07 Bluespuke it creates urls like htt://domain.com/index.php?id=1&rid=#SYS_TABLE_NAME_USER_uid&mid=SYS_MAIL_ID&aC=SYS_AUTHCODE&jumpurl=1
11:07 Bluespuke someone has an idea what could it be?
11:08 iaj pmk65 yeh I'd need that patch
11:12 Denyerec pmk: http://www.typo3-jack.net/typo3-project-templavoila-lists-netfielders-de/5841-typo3-templavoila-default-element-field-value.html
11:12 Denyerec No sliding is possible according to The Man, but a default is.
11:13 nike^on <_pedda_> in order to switch to tinyrte tinyrte has to be installed in the em <= ... only install the extension? or add something to the typoscript ?
11:13 _pedda_ only install would be enough to test if it is working
11:13 _pedda_ in the em you can chose some config profiles
11:13 _pedda_ or use pmk's config tool for configuration of tinyrte
11:15 nike^on i have installed the extension via em .. but nothing happend :(
11:15 Denyerec pmk - seems Dmitry's elusive answers are as painful as always.
11:16 Denyerec Looks like I'm going to be spending another 8 hours trying to figure it out! He's like some kind of bloody Zen master I swear...
11:16 gerards :)
11:17 Denyerec WAargh!
11:17 Denyerec he then contradicts himself on another mailling list!
11:17 pmk65 nike^on: You'll have to deinstall HTMLArea first.
11:17 Denyerec First he says use <Default> tag
11:17 Denyerec THEN he says....
11:17 Denyerec "Do you see 'default' in the list of configuration parameters? ;)"
11:17 pmk65 Denyerec: Dmitry does that a logt ;)
11:17 pmk65 logt = lot..
11:18 Denyerec *sigh*
11:19 Bluespuke rofl i got the error
11:19 Bluespuke again RTFM was the solution: Personalization only works for recipient lists of type "From pages" (and "From other recipient lists", if these contain "From pages" lists).
11:20 Bluespuke and i sended just to one mail address in step 4...
11:21 nike^on ok thx pmk65 :)
11:42 Denyerec kraftb, don't suppose you know how to do default/slide values in TV?
11:49 iaj gna any way to navigate to the search field , in order to enter ids, with a hotkey?
11:59 fred^^ Having a problem with empty RSS w/ tt_news - http://www.nearadio.no/rss.xml - Setup is at http://www.phlogi.net/f/t3/tsp/sp/-e33d6508ae/
12:00 fred^^ I have tried both adding a new sysfolder w/ news and setting the storagePid manually, but nothing helps atm
12:04 kraftb kb_tv_cont_slide
12:04 kraftb allows you to slide contents
12:05 kraftb or a spin-off of this extension called "cab_???"
12:05 kraftb but I have quite problems getting my hacked server back online
12:05 kraftb so no time to help you investigating an extension fitting your needs
12:05 kraftb :)
12:05 kraftb or if it is about my hacked server: :(
12:08 _pedda_ what happened kraftb ?
12:09 kraftb if I would know it exactly I would find a reason.
12:09 kraftb reason->solutin
12:09 kraftb but I just know they got access to my server somehow, either just as www-data or as root (I assume as root)
12:09 kraftb and I do not know how and why
12:09 _pedda_ ok
12:10 kraftb I see what they were doing when they were found by my vServer operator, but I do not know how they got in.
12:10 kraftb so for now I install some security measures
12:11 kraftb like suhosin, and ip-restrictions to the T3 backend
12:12 kraftb and enable php-safe mode
12:12 kraftb theres nothing else I could think of, what would make sense ?!?!?
12:12 kraftb do you ?
12:18 pmk65 There's an extension that can check various settings for security -> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/security_check/current/
12:20 iaj hms, is there a way to find out which plugins are not used?
12:50 rokj Hi. I am following http://www.mcuniverse.com/Testing-the-Extension.170.0.html and I created test page. And now it says "Now select your extension as the plugin and click save and view and you will see this on your screen." Where do I select this extension?
12:54 _pedda_ hi rokj you have to log into the backend
12:54 _pedda_ select a site withing pagetree where you want to place your extension
12:54 _pedda_ create a new content element
12:55 _pedda_ called plugin
12:55 _pedda_ in the following screen you get an selectbox where your extension should be listed
12:55 rokj I did.
12:55 _pedda_ select it and save
12:56 rokj I added few
12:57 rokj In Web->List->Test page I added few "players" (cos I was following "Player profile" howto).
12:57 Denyerec kraftb - did they do any damage?
12:57 Denyerec Or did they just gain access and look around ?
12:57 rokj And there I can see "players" on the list.
12:58 rokj If I click "Show" with right-mouse button I get "No template found" (because I have to create some sort of template).
12:59 _pedda_ yes that's right
12:59 _pedda_ but to understand this you should consider reading a tutorial about modern template building n typo3.org
12:59 _pedda_ http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/tutorials/doc_tut_templselect/0.1.0/view/
13:01 kraftb denyerec: ähm. yes
13:01 Denyerec :/
13:01 kraftb they did some DoS attack on other servers, which forced my vServer operator to stop the vServer container
13:01 Denyerec Gotcha.
13:01 Denyerec So they used your server for other means, rather than destroying your site and data?
13:01 kraftb I would not care if they attack my vServer operator, but leave my virtual area untouched
13:02 kraftb ;)
13:02 kraftb or at least if they do not disturb the operation of my server
13:03 kraftb they could play ping-pong on my server, eat nachos and put the waste in the case, or even install windows-XP in /tmp - IF I DO NOT SEE IT I WILL NOT CARE
13:03 kraftb !
13:04 kraftb but when it comes to messing up my system, and causing work which would not be necessary, taking hours of my holiday I get REALLY ANGRY AND MAD
13:15 rokj OK, I have created template and I created plugin. How do I then insert "plugin data" into template?
13:16 _pedda_ in list mode there you can include static templates from extensions (this is the name of the field)
13:21 rokj Nothing shows.
13:37 ebi Hi all. I'm looking for Karsten (k-fish) or anyone else related to the Typo3CR Project. I wrote him an email some days probably even weeks ago but didn't get an answer :( Can someone tell me what the best way to contact him would be?
13:40 Denyerec He's in #flow3
13:40 _pedda_ re
13:40 ebi Ah great :) Thanks. Somehow a whois would have been easier but he wasn't only every time I tried ;)
13:58 elmargol Hi how can I add a menue entry that goes to the same page using a different language?
13:59 MyGoddess elmargol, language menu
14:01 elmargol MyGoddess: is that an extension?
14:02 MyGoddess It is a special feature of menu content type.
14:02 MyGoddess see the TSref for HMENU and co.
14:27 Phlogi anyone ever used the date2cal in fe? I can't get it working
14:30 Phlogi ha, works! :D great
14:45 Denyerec hey phlogi
14:45 Phlogi hi Denyerec
14:45 Denyerec Don't suppose you've ever tried setting default values for fields?
14:56 Phlogi anyone knows Stefan Galinski?
14:56 Phlogi Denyerec: you mean in tca?
14:56 Denyerec I figure you'd have to edit the TO XML yes
15:00 pmk65 Phlogi: I know Stefan..
15:00 Phlogi pmk65: okai, I hope he is active :)
15:00 Phlogi I just sent him a small patch for date2cal
15:01 pmk65 He is. Im doing several projects with Stefan (TinyMCE RTE, PMK Shadowbox)
15:02 pmk65 Denyerec: Why the TO section? I usually put <default> in the DS section.
15:03 Denyerec pmk65, only because I am confused :)
15:03 Denyerec I always mix up DS and TO
15:05 pmk65 locate the field where you want a default value. Then insert this line inside the <config></config> part.
15:05 pmk65 <default>default value</default>
15:07 Denyerec And what would one specify to set an image as a default on an image field ?
15:08 Phlogi pmk65: ok, if he does not answer I'll ask you about it :) I guess his gmail account he still uses
15:09 pmk65 <default>myimage.jpg</default>
15:09 Denyerec Ohh, simple as that.
15:09 pmk65 Denyerec: and then you need to have the image in the uploads folder too.
15:09 Denyerec ah so it looks in /uploads/ by default.
15:09 Denyerec or can I specify a path from fileadmin?
15:10 pmk65 Try uploading an image in your FCE.
15:10 pmk65 Then look at the path shown when you hover the mouse over the thumb.
15:11 pmk65 That's where the image must be placed.
15:11 Denyerec I usually use the "browse" as the "upload" button always puts things wher I don't want them
15:11 Denyerec I recall now the editors using the "upload" button directly
15:11 pmk65 Phlogi: Stefan Galinski <(obscured mail address)> <-- That email address is valid..
15:11 Phlogi jup
15:11 Denyerec and then being unable to access the images through the browser which looks for /fileadmin/ by default.
15:12 Denyerec is it possible to change a thread on the maillinglist to [FIXED] ?
15:12 pmk65 as default, when you select a file from fileadmin, it is copied to the uploads folder. (Unless you use DAM)
15:13 Denyerec (I bloody hate mailling lists. Have I said this before? Typo3 needs a bloody forum. An official one.)
15:13 Denyerec a cached copy is put in /uploads/, right ?
15:13 Denyerec or just a straight copy ?
15:13 pmk65 Type [FIXED] in the subnject (but that creates a new thread in some readers)
15:13 Denyerec In truth, this /uploads/ folder has always eluded me.
15:14 Denyerec Yes, that would create a new thread and is not satisfactory. Another reason why forums are better than maillinglists for problem solving...
15:14 Denyerec My editors have access to part of /fileadmin/
15:14 Denyerec but they have no access to /uploads/
15:14 Denyerec Thus if they use the "upload" button, whatever they upload is immediately put off limits to them.
15:15 pmk65 if you in fileadmin/ has a file named "myfile.jpg" and you insert it on some page using a standart TYPO3 CE, like the Image. Then it's copied to uploads/myfile.jpg. If you then on another page do the same, then the file is copied as uploads/myfile_01.jpg etc.
15:15 Denyerec Right
15:15 Denyerec But as the user has no access to /uploads/ directly, they can never remove such images.
15:16 Denyerec or organise them, etc.
15:16 pmk65 the uploads/ folder is not accessable for normal users. (Think of fileadmin/ as a library of files you can access, but to use the file you must make a copy of it first.)
15:17 pmk65 Usually the uploads/ folder has subfolders for the various extensions, but the main load of files ends up in the root of uploads/
15:17 Phlogi Denyerec: why do you hate mailing lists? Get a gmail account and subscribe to all of them and you can easily search :)
15:17 Phlogi Denyerec: typo3 needs more than an official forum :D
15:17 Phlogi pmk65: got answer from stefan
15:18 Denyerec Phlogi - I have done exactly that, it is all I use my GMail account for. However they are a high barrier for entry for new people, they are harder to follow, offer no features such as when messages were read and by whom, and you can't update topics with "FIXED" to indicate success for future people.
15:18 Denyerec Every successful platform and framework has a friendly forum as part of the community.
15:18 pmk65 Back in the "good-old-days" the mailinglist was available in "forum mode" on typo3.org
15:18 Denyerec Looking at FLOW3 they are concerned about SYmfony stealing some thunder.
15:18 Denyerec No surprise, given the FLOW3 community is as accessible as a bank vault.
15:19 Denyerec If I wasn't already an avid IRC user, Typo3 would have killed me and buried the body long ago.
15:19 Denyerec pmk65 - what if a user uploads an incorrect image, say accidentally one of them nude in the lounge photographing a kettle... How do they then remove it?
15:20 Phlogi Denyerec: I agree
15:21 pmk65 Denyerec: If they remove it from the CE, it's deleted from the uploads folder.
15:22 Denyerec Phlogi - everyone besides the people in charge seem to agree :/
15:22 Phlogi Denyerec: its so damn true... there is not even a big english typo3 forum... so they would have great success
15:22 Phlogi Denyerec: we really need to talk to these guys very soon and serious
15:22 Denyerec pmk65 - ah. This I did not know. This does mean, though, that if they upload the image once, they must do so again, wheras if they pick it out from /fileadmin/ it can be re-used without re-uploading
15:23 Denyerec Phlogi - Unofficial forums will always die. People come to typo3.org and it needs to live there.
15:23 Phlogi Denyerec: everything should go there, but the opposite happens since years
15:23 Denyerec But the official stance is "Set up an unofficial one and we'll see"
15:23 pmk65 I jush wish they would clean up typo3.org and typo3.com. Both sites are filled with XHTML errors (not a good way to advertise that TYPO3 is 100% XHTM compatible) Half of the features doesn't work. Most texts/articles are outdated etc.
15:23 Denyerec But that premise undermines it from the very start.
15:24 Denyerec I'd help work on an official forum, no doubts about that.
15:24 Denyerec But I see no merit in wasting my time on an unofficial one, it's dead effort.
15:25 Denyerec Crap if I earned more than £400 a month I'd help clean up .org and .com too
15:25 pmk65 They should look at the sites for some of the competition. If you look at Joomla or Umbraco's homepages, they are so MUCH more PROFESSIONEL looking compared to TYPO3.org's "hobby" look.
15:25 Denyerec but I am struggling enough to survive as it is :(
15:26 Denyerec yes, typo3.org is reasonably professional, but it lacks a lot of polish.
15:26 Denyerec column spacing on the frontpage for one.
15:26 Denyerec If you decide to live by the grid you die by it too
15:26 Phlogi its a big mess, everyone knows... but why don't they work on it?
15:27 Denyerec Maybe everyone else thinks that someone else is working on it.
15:27 pmk65 I don't think the look is very professional, compared to the competitions like these 2: http://umbraco.org/ http://www.joomla.org/
15:28 Denyerec umbraco is broken in opera
15:28 Denyerec but I get your point
15:28 Denyerec if I could afford my rent this month, I'd take time out and redesign it
15:28 Denyerec sadly that's not the case yet, so it will have to wait a little.
15:28 pmk65 Umbraco has also recognized the need for an alternate license, so it's possible to create larger commercial plugins.
15:29 Phlogi Denyerec: there is already a redesign
15:29 Denyerec One of the reasons I can use Typo3 for my clients is because the extensions are free
15:29 pmk65 Once you have made a TYPO3 ext, and sold it to a customer. That customer can give it out or upload it on TER.
15:30 Denyerec If everything became charged-for, my work would quickly die because my clients are not prepared to pay above bottom price.
15:30 pmk65 So the only solution is to make a single customer pay for all development on an extension, as you can't expect to sell it to more customers.
15:30 Denyerec Though what you state about customers giving out custom extensions does suck
15:30 Denyerec Never a situation I've been in, but I can imagine it hurting a great deal
15:30 Denyerec However, once you allow things to be locked up, don't you think Typo3 would fragment very quickly?
15:31 Denyerec Everyone would soon be having to write their own Powermail, their own TemplaVoila, their own Calendars etc...
15:32 Denyerec So it has upsides and downsides
15:32 pmk65 Dmitry told in a mail that for TemplaVoila, RealUrl etc. he have recieved the total sum of 600Euro during the 4-5 years he has been working on those. So extension programming is not something you get rich at..
15:32 Phlogi typo3 is already very fragemented if you ask me... only few ppl are working together, ppl on forums don't get the OSS way of developing software
15:32 Denyerec True and true
15:32 Denyerec well
15:32 Phlogi and thats because typo3 does not centralize... grr
15:32 Denyerec there is no forum :D
15:32 Denyerec Ok
15:32 Denyerec I need to go visit my accountant and pay her the last £220 I have in my bank :(
15:33 Phlogi what about an open letter? :D
15:33 Denyerec When I get back, what says we start a union? :D
15:33 Phlogi Denyerec: yes, lets fork everything :D haha
15:33 Phlogi typo3NG.org ;)
15:34 Phlogi just kidding, but TER really should be forked ;)
15:34 Denyerec Heh
15:34 Denyerec If they said "Develop a forum and we will put it on .org"
15:34 Denyerec then I would do it.
15:35 Denyerec I'd need help because my knowledge is incomplete, but I would help as much as I could
15:36 Denyerec I might start with an org chart of the typo3 team
15:36 Denyerec because right now, I know only Kasper and RobertL
15:36 Denyerec someone soemwhere is in charge of the website
15:36 Denyerec Gods only know whom.
15:36 Phlogi Denyerec: ask on the www mailing list
15:36 Phlogi hehe
15:37 Phlogi Denyerec: there is already mm_forum that could be used so damn easily
15:37 Denyerec Hmm
15:37 Denyerec unsure if that is up to the task
15:37 Denyerec I've never seen it deployed on a largescale site
15:37 Phlogi I think there are many ppl out there who would like to help fix typo3.org but those guys behind it, just don't let them work on it...
15:37 Denyerec and if you look at symfony, they already have > 60k posts
15:38 Phlogi maybe its becaues of inspiring ppl to share... atm it should be inspiring ppl to involve!!!!
15:38 Denyerec Heh
15:38 Phlogi another framework.. hmm
15:39 Denyerec I will think on this when I return
15:39 Denyerec back in an hour or so.
15:39 Phlogi Denyerec: yeah...
15:40 pmk65 Phlogi: I do that myself once in a while, when I get pissed off enough ;)
15:41 Phlogi pmk65: yes just saw it :D its not enought as it seems!
15:43 Phlogi there is a relaunch project on forge with a lot of participants in it
15:43 pmk65 I never understood why they made bugs.typo3.org, as bugs posted there never seems to be fixed (unless they are also posted on the core list) Some of the unfixed bugs on bugs.typo3.org is from 2004/2005
15:43 Phlogi pmk65: I fully agree
15:43 pmk65 If you don't fix old bugs. New bugs appear due to the old unfixed bugs.
15:46 Phlogi there is almost no activity in the relaunch group :S
15:46 Phlogi oh and all those guys are pending member... they don't even allow ppl to work on the stuff... now I'm getting angry
15:46 Phlogi 17 pending members...
15:46 Phlogi wtf
15:46 pmk65 For those who have not added them self to Georg Ringer's TYPO3 Worldmap, here's the URL once more. ;) -> http://www.typo3worldmap.net/
15:47 litzinger just face it, TYPO3 is a dead CMS. There are many other better options out there that are actively under development, and have thriving communities
15:47 Phlogi litzinger: I would not say typo3 is dead, but its fucking dying thats the problem
15:48 litzinger let it die...
15:48 Phlogi litzinger: which cms as such an amazing backend? I've never seen any...
15:48 litzinger After my first experience with it, I see why people don' use it
15:48 litzinger MODx, ExpressionEngine, SilverStripe is up and coming
15:49 litzinger Drupal as much as I don't like, I'd rather use it than use TYPO3 again
15:49 maholtz|WORK @litzinger: lol, your in #typo3 you should switch to #silverstripe etc. ...
15:50 litzinger I'm here because I have to do a site with TYPO3
15:50 litzinger While it does have some really great features, they're not enough to make me want to use TYPO again
15:50 maholtz|WORK well, how many sites you set up with typo3? since when?
15:50 litzinger other CMSs let me build sites quicker and with a better UI
15:50 litzinger 1
15:51 maholtz|WORK :)
15:51 litzinger I've learned all I need to know with this 1 project :)
15:51 litzinger Like I said, it has some cool features, but nothing mind blowing or nothing that another CMS doesn't deliver on too
15:53 fred^^ MODx and ExpressionEngine are lovely to work with, the little experience I have
15:54 jbaptiste_j some of my BE users create a news in tt_news and it takes a certain time before the news gets published, any idea what causes that ?
15:54 Phlogi jbaptiste_j: did you clear the cache?
15:54 maholtz|WORK @jbaptiste_j: caching - TCEMAIN.clearCacheCmd = pageids
15:54 jbaptiste_j When I clear the cache the news appear but the BE users who are not admin cannot clear the cache can they ?
15:55 maholtz|WORK TCEMAIN.clearCacheCmd....
15:55 maholtz|WORK read tsconfig
15:55 jbaptiste_j oh removing the page that has news from the cached pages, brilliant
15:55 jbaptiste_j I'll read that right away thank you
15:55 Phlogi damn, if all those guys from opensource cms could work together :D
15:56 Phlogi i love the screenshot here: http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=66&name=Typo3
15:56 Phlogi it says everything
15:58 jbaptiste_j The user comments are cool too
15:58 jbaptiste_j "After our useless experience with Typo3 we built the site in the Django framework - Django is AMAZING.
15:59 jbaptiste_j posted by: John"
15:59 Phlogi yes thats idiotic
16:01 jbaptiste_j it reminds me of a dilbert cartoon where they choose a product instead of another because one comes into a cardboard box and they do not know how to open boxes while the other product oozes under the door
16:04 maholtz|WORK @jbaptiste_j :) i think you are right, what many beginners does not think about: why should write someone an easy administration cookbook? "the" TYPO3 guys allready know TYPO3...
16:05 jbaptiste_j Well I consider myself a persistent beginner, I love easy tutorials,
16:05 jbaptiste_j I think typo is hard to learn but that doesnt mean typo is bad
16:06 maholtz|WORK yep, i love easy tutorials too, but it is hard to write them and you do not get anything from it
16:06 pmk65 Unfortunately the official tutorials and manuals are not updated very often (some manuals haven't been updated since v3.6) since it's more profitable to write abook instead (As books are not covered by TYPO3's license)
16:08 jbaptiste_j even the tsRef is hell unless you know EXACTLY what to look for
16:09 jbaptiste_j the good part is this chat
16:11 litzinger anyone have a userFunc/php function to get the current page's depth?
16:12 fred^^ Typo3 has always been made by developers that think like developers
16:12 fred^^ I really hope the promised focus on usability for the next version will deliver a much better experience
16:13 fred^^ Optimally, the UI and the whole experience should be both easy to start with for non-experienced users and deliver the same flexibility and power that Typo3 offers today
16:13 fred^^ I won't get my hopes up, though
16:14 jbaptiste_j and flow3 will be nice for real good developpers who can understand MVC architecture
16:19 litzinger in this snippet of code, why isn't entryLevel set to 2, when my php function is returning 2?
16:19 litzinger includeLibs.getChildren = fileadmin/user_classes/class.sb_getchildren.php
16:19 litzinger temp.info = USER
16:19 litzinger temp.info {
16:19 litzinger userFunc = user_getChildren->main
16:19 litzinger }
16:19 litzinger # temporary
16:19 litzinger page.100 < temp.info
16:19 litzinger # set entry level
16:19 litzinger lib.nav_page.entryLevel < temp.info
16:19 litzinger page.100 is set to 2, but not entryLevel
16:27 pmk65 litzinger: Because the entryLevel property only accept integer values, so you cant pass a var from a function to it.
16:27 pmk65 the value you pass to your entryLevel is "USER"
16:28 litzinger so there is no way to do do this?
16:28 litzinger lib.nav_page.entryLevel = user_getChildren->main
16:28 litzinger would be nice if that worked
16:28 pmk65 if you just want your menu to display the children of the active page, you can use negative entryLevel values.
16:29 litzinger but once my nav gets to a certain point, where no children are present, then i need to display the sibling links
16:29 pmk65 Try -1 and -2 (I can't remember which one it is you need to use to get the subpages of the current page)
16:29 litzinger not the children
16:29 pmk65 create 2 menu objects. If a page has no children, display menu 2. if it has children display menu 1
16:31 pmk65 you can use the numRows property to test if the page got children or not.
16:33 maholtz|WORK or you could use ifEmpty or override
16:34 litzinger what is the correct usage of numRows?
16:34 litzinger docs aren't telling me much
16:36 pmk65 litzinger: -> http://paste.phlogi.net/-c195b3e975/
16:36 pmk65 This will display the number of direct subpages to thecurrent page.
16:36 litzinger cool, thanks
16:38 pmk65 You can also take a look at this menu I wrote a while ago. It displays the number of subpages (and their subpages) in the menulink. -> http://www.typo3wizard.com/en/snippets/menus/menu-with-recursive-count-of-subpages.html
16:41 litzinger [lib.numrows = 0]
16:41 litzinger do one thing
16:41 litzinger [else]
16:41 litzinger do something else
16:41 litzinger [end]
16:41 litzinger that doesnt seem to work
16:41 litzinger the TS conditionals are severely lacking. they're borderline useless
16:41 pmk65 you need to make it into an "if" statement in your menu object.
16:42 litzinger and how do i do that?
16:46 pmk65 something like this -> http://www.phlogi.net/f/t3/tsp/sp/-d19156a35d/
16:46 pmk65 untested..
16:47 pmk65 the 2 objects are pretty much identical, except that the 2nd has "if.negate = 1", which "reverses" the check.
16:48 litzinger so blahblah is where i set entryLevel, and create the links?
16:57 litzinger like this?
16:57 litzinger http://pastie.org/532122
17:01 litzinger the syntax behind TS is so freakin confusing
17:08 oversize hi, i have moved a typo3 install on a different vhost. dumped and imported the db to the new host. The links that are generated by the HMENU all contain the old domainname. is the domain set in a file or somewhere in the db?
17:17 maholtz|WORK @oversize: check main typoscript configuration
17:20 oversize maholtz thx! a colleague did the install and i personaly never used config.baseURL. but now i know it. thx :D
17:20 maholtz|WORK np:)
17:21 oversize and when thinking about it, this install used CoolURI which might be the reason there is a config.baseURL set :p
17:21 maholtz|WORK @litzinger: yep, TS is confusing if you think it is an scripting language
17:22 litzinger i'm just trying to do a simple conditional with a 'has children' check. shouldnt need 50 lines of code to do this
17:22 litzinger TypoSCRIPT
17:22 litzinger indicates scripting language to me
17:22 maholtz|WORK yep, but it is not
17:23 litzinger lets not debate that part :) does the script i pasted make any sense?
17:24 litzinger i have pages 4 levels deep. if you're on any page that doesn't have children pages then i need to print the sibling pages to that page
17:24 litzinger otherwise print the children pages
17:25 litzinger b/c if i dont print the siblings, and always print children, then pages without children won't have a navigation available to get to the other sibling pages
17:25 maholtz|WORK @litzinger: it does not need 50 lines of code
17:26 litzinger then help me get it to 5 :)
17:27 litzinger please... i'm dying here
17:27 maholtz|WORK does it work?
17:28 litzinger nope
17:28 litzinger it prints out the current page's children all the time
17:29 maholtz|WORK sure
17:29 litzinger actually no, it prints out the current pages siblings all the time
17:29 maholtz|WORK typoscript will be parsed into an array
17:29 maholtz|WORK $array['lib.']['nav_page.']['10.'] ..
17:30 maholtz|WORK so, what would you expect in lib.nav_page.10 ?
17:30 maholtz|WORK display your menu or the siblings?
17:30 maholtz|WORK btw.: if you have some time, perhaps http://wiki.typo3.org/Ts45min could help a bit with typoscript
17:31 maholtz|WORK in short: your first 10 = COA will be overriden by your second 10 = COA
17:31 maholtz|WORK change your second to 20
17:36 _pedda_ maholtz|WORK: ever got otf or postscript fonts working with gifbuilder ?
17:36 _pedda_ afm or pfb
17:37 _pedda_ i saw pmk on a newslist saying he got postcript working
17:44 _pedda_ gotta go
17:44 _pedda_ cu all
17:56 Phlogi Denyerec: have you had your thoughts mister? :)
18:07 Denyerec i just got back
18:07 Denyerec and it feels like both my arms are broken
18:09 voidus why?
18:23 Denyerec helped a friend train on some focus pads
18:23 Denyerec and he'#s a heavyeight boxer
18:23 Denyerec :/
18:23 Denyerec weigt
18:23 Denyerec weight
18:23 Denyerec I am broken.
18:35 Phlogi haha
18:37 litzinger what is the syntax for if elseif end?
18:37 litzinger so [treeLevel = 3] do this [else if treeLevel = 4] do that [end]
18:38 timdeluxe imho there is no elseif, only a else
18:40 timdeluxe it is: [CONDITION] do this [ELSE] do that [END]
18:50 Denyerec Phlogi
18:50 Denyerec If we set up a forum
18:50 Denyerec and literally walked into head office with guns to make them use it
18:50 Denyerec What would it be based on?
18:51 timdeluxe lol
18:55 Phlogi Denyerec: you mean technically? :D
18:56 Denyerec I mean, some of the big PHP boards suppose massive userbases
18:56 Denyerec I have no data for what mm_forum can support
18:56 Phlogi Denyerec: I'm going to write an email tonight maybe
18:56 Phlogi Denyerec: thats the easiest part... but the problems are deeper
18:56 Phlogi btw I'm admin on typo3forum.net
18:56 Denyerec They are?
18:56 Denyerec is that mm_forum ?
18:56 Phlogi largest german t3 forum
18:57 Phlogi no thats vbulleting
18:57 Phlogi -g
18:57 Phlogi thats not Free software but the best forum software out there
18:57 Phlogi We could even start the english stuff there easily
18:57 Denyerec As I see it, from a technical standpoint, you need a forum, and the ability to link easily files, images and in-line code snippets
18:57 Denyerec you already wrote a TS highliter :)
18:58 Denyerec (Excellent, by the way)
18:58 Denyerec That's i
18:58 Denyerec t
18:58 Phlogi Denyerec: that one is on the forum as well
18:58 Denyerec See, so what needs to happen is for typo3forum.net to be brought into line with the core brand, and put ON THE DAMN MAIN WEBSITE
18:58 Phlogi yes... but first we need to have a hard talk to the typo3.org guys
18:59 Phlogi Denyerec: shall I write some text and you review it before we send it to the ML? or to the most important ML's as well, so that they really all see that
19:00 maholtz|WORK are you guys talking about an official TYPO3 forum?
19:01 Phlogi maholtz|WORK: yes and about the death of typo3 in general ;)
19:01 maholtz|WORK ok, perhaps you know, that there is an reorganisation of typo3.org ongoing?
19:01 maholtz|WORK well (should, could...)
19:02 Phlogi since over a year, nice :S
19:02 maholtz|WORK perhaps it would be a good situation to send such an email towards info @ typo3.org and say: hey, we would do it...
19:02 Phlogi where is that page and why don't those guys not allow others to help em?
19:03 maholtz|WORK http://typo3.org/teams/typo3org/
19:03 Phlogi there is something stalled on forge too
19:04 Phlogi That project seems dead since 6months ;)
19:05 maholtz|WORK i thought so too, but i am not sure anymore: http://buzz.typo3.org/teams/boarding/article/volunteer-needed-css-and-nice-styling-of-event-calender/
19:06 maholtz|WORK peter is extrem activ so if you send an mail to info@ typo3 org he will get that mail and i am pretty sure he will take care
19:07 Denyerec I mailled him
19:07 Denyerec got told someone was already doing it
19:07 Denyerec 2 hours after that post went out, too
19:07 Phlogi hmm ok
19:07 Denyerec Maybe if there was an announcements section in a Typo3 forum, we'd know more...
19:07 Denyerec ;)
19:08 Phlogi Denyerec: yeah... hmm but what are they waiting for then? :D
19:08 Phlogi I hope they fix the documentation
19:08 Denyerec Godot?
19:09 Phlogi hehe
19:11 Phlogi ah damn it! :D
19:11 Phlogi maholtz|WORK: so they don't work with forge any longer or what?
19:11 maholtz|WORK dont konw
19:12 maholtz|WORK know
19:12 Phlogi maholtz|WORK: you don't know the current status of the reorganisation?
19:12 Phlogi maholtz|WORK: wasn't there even the page already online somewhere?
19:12 maholtz|WORK sorry, no clue about all that stuff
19:13 Denyerec I want the IE dev team to be hanged by the neck until dead.
19:13 Denyerec 8 bit transparency in PNGs goddamnit. I want to use it and NOT HAVE TO HACK EVERYTHING
19:13 Denyerec *grrmble*
19:14 Phlogi good statement, ries2 can you put that on the topic ;) I like it: <Denyerec> I want the IE dev team to be hanged by the neck until dead.
19:14 Phlogi Denyerec: why not whole microsoft? :D
19:15 Denyerec Because they have done some good things.
19:15 Denyerec And I have friends who work there.
19:15 Denyerec But the IE team, for them I have no mercy.
19:15 Phlogi hehe
19:21 Phlogi Denyerec: is this correct english actually? inspiring people to get involved
19:22 Denyerec Seems fine to my native tongue.
19:22 maholtz|WORK have to go - do not want to be a witness
19:22 maholtz|WORK cu
19:22 Denyerec it's not really catchy though
19:22 Denyerec LOL
19:23 Denyerec I wonder what he thought he was going to witness?
19:23 Phlogi yeah , hmm
19:28 Phlogi Denyerec: oh and snippets.typo3.org is flawed too :D
19:28 Denyerec it is ?
19:28 Denyerec I didn't know it existed until just then
19:28 Phlogi Denyerec: i think so... other snippets pages are technically better than that
19:29 Phlogi Denyerec: i was top poster for a while :D
19:29 Denyerec no surprise :)
19:34 Phlogi Denyerec: at least the typo3 channel is growing and as far as I heard the typo3forum as well
19:35 Denyerec you mean the german one you posted earlier ?
19:38 Phlogi Denyerec: yes and this channel here
19:39 ckoehler anyone know how to add lines up in bash?
19:39 ckoehler each line has a number, i need to add them together
19:39 ckoehler pipe it into somewhere
19:40 Phlogi ckoehler: #bash ;)
19:53 timdeluxe cause you are talking about it: last posts on support.typo3.org are from march ;)
19:54 Phlogi hehe
19:58 Denyerec last post from the typo3org team was Nov 08
19:58 Denyerec I mailled Ras to ask for an update.
20:00 Phlogi on typo3.org I have current messages, which list is that?
20:00 Phlogi from June to be exact
20:06 litzinger btw, i figured out the menu issue i was having. someone else needed the same functionality. just an FYI http://pastie.org/532319
20:07 litzinger found that via google
20:18 Phlogi litzinger: paste in on phlogi ;)
20:19 Phlogi litzinger: or snippets.typo3.org
20:19 litzinger what is wrong with pastie?
20:20 Phlogi litzinger: it gets lost
20:21 Phlogi litzinger: and my pastbin understands TS ;)
20:36 Denyerec http://typo3.org/teams/typo3org/news/
20:36 Denyerec Phlogi ^^
20:39 Phlogi yeah read that before
21:52 Catilaxun hello. Anyone's might there to answer me a question? :)
21:54 ckoehler nah not really...
21:54 ckoehler we don't usually answer questions around here
21:55 Catilaxun oh, okay. I thought I might try to ask someone here because I ran out of ideas to fix my problem. I'm gonna try a diffrent way then. ;-)
21:56 ckoehler or you could just ask
21:56 ckoehler instead of asking to ask :)
21:56 Catilaxun hehe, well I'll give it a try then :)
21:57 Catilaxun I mapped a website using TemplaVoila and everything went well but by clicking "List" and "Page" and so on I don
21:57 Catilaxun 't see the site I mapped
21:57 Catilaxun (noobish question but I wasted houres on fixing that - and I failed. ;-) )
21:58 ckoehler assign the template to your pages
21:58 ckoehler edit the page properties
21:59 Catilaxun page -> rootpage -> properties?
21:59 ckoehler sounds right
22:00 Catilaxun Testing it..., thanks already! :)
22:05 Catilaxun Hmm, there seem to be no "Template" button to click on
22:06 ckoehler there's not
22:07 ckoehler root page icon click -> edit page properties
22:07 ckoehler extended tab
22:07 ckoehler page template structure and subpages - page template structure
22:07 ckoehler pick on for each, then pick a template design
22:07 ckoehler same for subpages
22:07 ckoehler save
22:07 ckoehler done
22:08 Catilaxun ah, I got it! Thank you! :-)
22:08 ckoehler pick _one_ for each, rather
22:08 Catilaxun Thanks! :-)
23:54 Jahithber damn i thought that mac os is something better
23:54 Jahithber :/ im using it second day and everything is so commercial there are no free aps
23:54 Jahithber only firefox skype etc
23:58 phil1 oh wunder ^^

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