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00:46 afranks hello?
00:46 afranks is anyone here?
00:48 afranks hello?
00:48 afranks [18:50] freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect] requested CTCP VERSION from afranks:
00:48 afranks anyone know what this means?
00:50 afranks anyone on here?
00:51 afranks I had a question about rgaccordion and templavoila is there anyone who can help maybe?
01:52 cdngfrog Any core developers here? I have a question regarding RPC and the backend
03:49 ries cdngfrog: you will have better luck on typo3-dev
03:49 ries Not to many core devs hang out here
03:50 cdngfrog okay, thanks - tried on typo3-english but no luck there either
03:52 ries cdngfrog: yeaa... typo3 english is not well listened to , typo3-dev is for sure they hang out there... I never done RPC in BE.....
03:54 cdngfrog ries: well, I can imagine that nearly noone realy needs RPC for TYPO3
03:54 ries cdngfrog: I think it's done quite a bit... page tree, IRRE is as far as I know using RPC's
03:55 cdngfrog ries: well, that sound's good. AFAIK v5.0 will be more ajaxy so there should be a lot of RPC
03:57 ries cdngfrog: I have no idea what they are planning to do with V5..... I think by the time man are on the moon again, V5 will be released....
03:58 cdngfrog eww, that bad? FLOW3 is alpha now
03:59 ries cdngfrog: the framework is.....
04:00 ries that means there is no CMS yet, no workable BE etc...
04:01 cdngfrog so they are starting to develop the actual TYPO3 core?
04:03 ries FLOW3 is like TYPO3 core without the UI... now that's not 100% true but the analogy is there....
04:06 lazarus477 Ok my turn.
04:07 lazarus477 As I understand a lot of folks here use the framework from templavoila.busynoggin.com.
04:08 lazarus477 My question is. Are there any folks here who prefer sticking to the raw templavoila way of doing things?
04:08 ries lazarus477: I do I do I do I do :D
04:08 lazarus477 ries: May I ask for what reason?
04:08 ries in fact, I never heard of templavoila.busynoggin.com
04:09 lazarus477 I am trying to decide on which way to go forward.
04:09 ries lazarus477: ususally because my clients give me designs that cannot be found in standard templates
04:09 lazarus477 ries: Oh. Then you missed out on something, I think.
04:09 ries why do you think that?
04:09 lazarus477 ries: That would explain it.
04:10 ries hahahahaha
04:10 lazarus477 ries: I would supose you get oddly shaped exotic layouts to implement?
04:10 ries sometimes yes...
04:10 ries mixed 2 and 3 columns
04:10 ries start page with images scrollers based on content elements.... that sort of stuff
04:10 lazarus477 ries: Well perhaps you should check out templavoila.busynoggin.com, it does a lot of that based on ocmponents, modules and skins.
04:11 ries I like my way better.....
04:13 lazarus477 ries: Glad to hear it. Makes me feel one of my thoughts was right. The framework I mention does not meet everyones needs.
04:13 lazarus477 hehe
04:13 ries indeed...
04:13 ries I started with TYPO3 and TV Hmmmmm around 5 years ago I think, there where no templates in 'my time', so I did everything mysef
04:14 lazarus477 ries: Oh, that would make you a hard-core coding veteran, nice :-)
04:15 ries I have been doing TYPO3 in the last 3 years.. but recently started to make 2 sites again and a extension for it
04:19 lazarus477 So does being a webmaster put food on the table these days?
04:20 ries lazarus477: yup....
04:20 ries I don't call myself webmaster though... that looks geek
04:21 lazarus477 ries: how about the title: Web Editor? Any better?
04:21 ries lazarus477: Nope.... consultant ;)
04:21 lazarus477 ries: Oh thats good, then I do not need to change my title :-)
04:22 ries lazarus477: and does it make any good money for you??
04:22 lazarus477 Not yet
04:22 lazarus477 Let's say it made me some for the few jobs which I accepted.
04:23 lazarus477 I ended up for a long while refusing the jobs until I could put out something decent with a CMS.
04:23 ries good.....
04:23 lazarus477 while = with
04:23 ries that'salways best, deliver something solid
04:23 lazarus477 Yep
04:23 ries sorry about that... pressed the wrong button
04:24 lazarus477 My first task at the moment is to redo my entire site. Based on a basic typo3 template slighlty modified.
04:24 lazarus477 I waited two years to dig into templating.
04:24 ries didn't update my site in ages....
04:25 ries hey gerards , good morning
04:26 lazarus477 I spoke a few times way back with a fellow over in Siberia. He makes a living as a web developer. His main client base was in the USA as I recall.
04:27 ries My main clients are in USA and holland at the moment...
04:27 lazarus477 Oh here is a question. What makes typo3 different from say Drupal? Anyone here prefer drupal in any instance?
04:28 ries lazarus477: I don't think that anybody likes drupal better here! (if any ... raise your hand please.....)
04:28 ries I don't have a lot of drupal experience.... but from what I did hea ris that drupal is better for community sites and when you need to do something quickly and fairly standard
04:28 lazarus477 ries: Perhaps wrong hour of the day to hold a vote, lol.
04:29 ries TYPO3 is better suited for these situations where you need to do things out of the box
04:29 lazarus477 Ok
04:29 ries lazarus477: It must be morning somewhere.,...... :D
04:29 lazarus477 Does anyone use typo3 to create cloud apps?
04:30 ries I don't believe TYPO3 is suited for that... that said, what people belive is 'cloud' differse quite a bit
04:30 lazarus477 ries: I was thinking of: is anyone using typo3 for cloud app front ends?
04:31 ries lazarus477: Not that I know of... most people that need installations with lot's uf users just get some reverse proxy server, some DB servers and APP servers...
04:31 lazarus477 I see
04:32 lazarus477 Well was just qurious
04:34 lazarus477 Or actually more than qurious, now that I think of it.
04:34 ries lazarus477: I think you can deploy TYPO3 on a amazon cloud though.... but I am not sure if you can really benefit from it, aooart from storage space
04:34 ries But you always connect to a single DB server and it doesn't magicly make it redundant with fail over...
04:35 lazarus477 I will be developing some intranet apps based on pages in a browser, cloud apps. I was planning on using typo3.
04:35 lazarus477 I figured it could handle layout and the input and output of db entries.
04:35 atmos4_ argh
04:35 ries lazarus477: intranet on a cloud???
04:35 lazarus477 Well let me refrase.
04:36 atmos4_ the docu on typoscript if / equals is so unusable
04:36 lazarus477 My own intranet app.
04:36 lazarus477 private
04:36 ries lazarus477: I have done that a lot in teh past.... (apps on interanet)
04:36 lazarus477 ries: Well I guess my terminology is a bit off.
04:37 atmos4_ anyone cares to explain how I can set a wrap on a TEXT object, if the value equals a certain number?
04:38 lazarus477 Simply put. I figure typo3 lets me add custom lines of html and php so I should be able to use it for making an GUI for a database app, right?
04:39 ries lazarus477: yup.... me and a friend (he did WAY more then me) mae a application for on-demand PDF generating based on thousands of images and DB content.... TYPO3 will help you with that
04:39 ries expect some custom PHP coding though :)
04:42 lazarus477 Hehe, sounds good.
04:44 lazarus477 Actually. Is it a good idea to create a cloud or web based app GUI inside a CMS or is it better to code a traditional hand coded set of pages without a CMS?
04:45 ries lazarus477: depends...
04:45 ries Look, if you expect a good set of pages be modified, edited and changed during the life time of an application... if you expect news items, image handlign etc
04:45 ries then TYPO3 will help you with that
04:46 ries if you JUST need THAT application and only THAT application, then you might be better of with JUST a framework like cake
04:46 ries I just only used TYPO3 though for all my apps
04:46 lazarus477 Ok
04:47 lazarus477 Can I link to a non typo3 page and have it show up inside my typo3 site frontend?
04:47 ries yup
04:47 lazarus477 Ok then if not all typo3 based then hybrid is an option, good :-)
04:48 ries lazarus477: I am currently making a iphone app that communicates with a TYPO3 extension...
04:51 atmos4_ hmm, got it working
04:51 atmos4_ lngart_ausgabenref = COBJ_ARRAY
04:51 atmos4_ lngart_ausgabenref.10 = TEXT
04:52 atmos4_ lngart_ausgabenref.10.value = ###WFQBE_FIELD_lngart_ausgabenref###
04:52 atmos4_ lngart_ausgabenref.20 = TEXT
04:52 atmos4_ lngart_ausgabenref.20.value = " selected="selected
04:52 atmos4_ lngart_ausgabenref.20.stdWrap.if.value = ###WFQBE_FIELD_lngart_ausgabenref###
04:52 atmos4_ lngart_ausgabenref.20.stdWrap.if.equals = ###WFQBE_FIELD_issue###
04:52 atmos4_ quite a hack though ;-)
04:52 lazarus477 ries: Sounds promissing, for my ideas that is.
04:52 lazarus477 atmos4_: Hehehe, ever heared of pastebin?
04:52 atmos4_ yea but to tired
04:52 ries atmos4_: Please paste your code on pastebin :)
04:53 lazarus477 ok
04:53 ries atmos4_: now we are of reading :D
04:53 atmos4_ :-)
04:54 ries bye bye
04:54 atmos4_ 5 in the morning here
04:56 atmos4_ hmm which means i've been coding for 17 hours
04:56 atmos4_ definitly too long ;-)
05:07 lazarus477 ries: What is it that defines the field names in the backend db when creating pages?
05:08 lazarus477 I sak while wondering, can I somehow mess up by getting my pages dissconnected from the content in the db.
05:08 lazarus477 sak = ask.
05:09 lazarus477 5 AM here.
05:14 lazarus477 I think I shall make use of the busynoggin quicksite framework, looks like a real time saver.
08:55 Celestar morning
08:55 Celestar how do I do a direct HTML export of my whole website, or do I have to use some wget -r? :
09:03 gerards wget is probably what you want to do Celestar
09:04 iamjay hello there :-D
09:15 iamjay is there any way to enable deep copying of pages?
09:20 iamjay I need to copy a whole bunch of pages which are in a /page/tree/... but there must be another way than individually selecting and copy pasting each page... right?
09:23 locus Hi, I have a generic question about typo3. A company I have to deal with is using typo3, I for myself don't know nothing about it. How difficult is it to use a dynamic source for a 'Flexform based IFrame' which is passed via an URL Parameter? I somehow can't believe that this company is unable to implement this. I hope my question makes sense to you ;)
09:28 maholtz|WORK @locus: you want to pass an url to an iframe of that page? so ?id=1&yourParam=1 should render a page with <iframe src="...&yourParam=1"> ?
09:28 maholtz|WORK that should be easy
09:29 maholtz|WORK but i am not an templavoila guy, so if there is a need, that an editor should be able to set some settings it could be a little bit difficulty
09:30 locus i would like to pass the whole iframe url to the page containing the iframe. Something like .../page?frameurl=http://whatever.org would result in <iframe src="">http://whatever.org">
09:30 maholtz|WORK well, do you need a whitelist of domains?
09:31 maholtz|WORK otherwise everybody could send an link to a domain what ever he wants
09:31 maholtz|WORK that should be done via userFunc afaikg
09:32 locus well, I've just seen that 'Flexform based IFrame' is some sort of a plugin, maybe this plugin will only allow static iframe sources.
09:32 maholtz|WORK 10 = TEXT
09:32 maholtz|WORK 10.data = GP:frameurl
09:32 maholtz|WORK 10.wrap = <iframe src="|"></iframe>
09:32 maholtz|WORK ah, you could do it with pure typoscript
09:33 maholtz|WORK they should hire an TYPO3 developer for that job
09:33 locus maholtz|WORK: yes, whitelisting would be an extra, but would probably be needed for security reasons
09:34 locus maholtz|WORK: I've talked to a typo3 dev of this company, but he said the iframe source can't be dynamic
09:34 maholtz|WORK well
09:34 locus it's probably not the most senior engineer, I guess ;)
09:34 maholtz|WORK perhaps not with that extension
09:35 locus ok
09:35 maholtz|WORK but... TYPO3 is powerfull without extensions too
09:35 locus thanks for your explanation
09:35 maholtz|WORK your welcome:)
09:43 _pedda_ hi all
09:43 Phlogi hi
09:47 Bitcrusher morning folks
09:47 Bitcrusher ahh ok, maybe not morning anymore ;)
09:52 Administrator_ Hey there, I'm installing Typo3 for the first time, and I got through the whole thing. . . but then I got to logging into the Admin BE and I never set a Username/Password
09:53 Conexion I checked the wiki and it said to go back to the install page and hit 'Create Admin User', but there is nothing there that says that
09:54 Conexion Any ideas on how I might fix that?
10:03 Bitcrusher Administator: as standard typo3 creates a default admin user with the login admin/password if i remember correctly
10:03 Bitcrusher and then from the BE you create the users you want
10:04 Conexion I tried admin/password =/ no luck
10:04 Bitcrusher hmm
10:05 Conexion Both cookies and JavaScript are A-Okay
10:06 Bitcrusher sorry, if the admin/password thing dosent cut it, its out of my league ;) I've never had trouble during installation of T3, its all that after the installation thats causing me trouble ;)
10:06 Conexion Hah, no problem :)
10:07 Bitcrusher but hey, if you havent gotten further then after the installation, purge the database, delete all T3 files and start again
10:07 Conexion It may just be a fluke as I forgot to chmod some things before install, the fixed it an re-ran. I may just need to do a fresh install chmod-ing everything correctly the first time
10:07 Conexion Yup :)
10:08 Conexion Hah, I'll just put it on, turn everything to 777 and leave it that way xD
10:08 Bitcrusher how do you chmod things? what permissions do you use?
10:08 Bitcrusher omfg!
10:08 Bitcrusher bad boy!
10:08 Bitcrusher ;)
10:08 Bitcrusher but might as well for now
10:08 Bitcrusher but you should chown files instead
10:09 Conexion Haha, I just forgot to change a folder during install to 757, it was like 644 during the main install
10:09 Bitcrusher chmodding stuff for 777 makes it easy for you, but also makes it easier for people to exploit the installation
10:09 Bitcrusher yeah ok, that might be the root of your problems :)
10:10 Conexion Was just curious to see if I was just missing anything before I transfer more data :p
10:11 Bitcrusher dident think the installation would go through with a problem like that
10:11 Bitcrusher hehe
10:12 Bitcrusher now, you Conexion, do you by any chance have a Typo3 extensions for dummies link by hand that you'd be willing to share? ;)
10:12 Bitcrusher or any of you other peeps for that matter
10:12 Conexion Hah, naw, I'm brand new to Typo3, didn't know it existed until today, lol
10:13 Bitcrusher i've found loads of articles on the wiki, but there isent really an easy introduction to T3 syntax apparently :-/
10:13 Bitcrusher well, welcome to a brave new world :)
10:16 Conexion Ha, well thanks :)
10:57 _pedda_ Bitcrusher: http://news.typo3.org/news/article/typoscript-in-45-minutes/
10:58 _pedda_ good ressource
11:04 Phlogi it looks like plugin.tt_news.displayLatest.subheader_stdWrap creates <p class=bodytext around the subheader text... how can I remove that again? Because this is inside an a tag and makes the site invalid....
11:05 Phlogi or does this p tag just come from editor
11:09 Bitcrusher pedda: thank you very much :) i'll give it a look
11:19 foool_ any chown gurus here?
11:24 Phlogi hmm subheader_stdWrap.parseFunc.nonTypoTagStdWrap.encapsLines.nonWrappedTag > does not remove p tag
11:25 Phlogi foool_: ?
11:27 Phlogi http://paste.phlogi.net/-7bba34cca9/ <- this is my tt_news ts snippet
11:27 foool_ hi phogi if you are on the english list I just posted there - are you?
11:28 Phlogi foool_: yes
11:29 Phlogi foool_: you could ask that to your hoster btw... or the linux distro running on the server
11:30 m4rtijn hi all
11:30 foool_ centOS I asked the host, no joy.
11:33 snoy_ms anyone knows the link to flexforms api ?
11:33 snoy_ms i didn't find it
11:34 snoy_ms need some attribute information
11:36 randomresult good morning
11:36 randomresult can somebody help me with TV?
11:37 Phlogi snoy_ms: I'm not sure it does exist at all :D
11:38 Phlogi snoy_ms: there is a flexform generator in t3dev extension
11:38 Phlogi randomresult: read topic, don't ask to ask!!
11:38 randomresult i have a fce with a field called linkname (field_linkname - Plain input) which is mapped to a div (class) container and i have a field called link (field_link - link) where you can choose a link via backend.... now i want the link name to be wraped by the linkfield... so the linkname appears as a link in the frontend...
11:39 randomresult Phlogi: if there is nobody who knows TV, i can save time in not writing what i just have written :) lazy me
11:39 Phlogi =>)
11:39 randomresult can u understand my problem concerning TV
11:39 randomresult ?
11:42 Bitcrusher Anyone here have experience with creating records based an extension started with kickstarter? cause i have a problem when i create new records based on the new plugin, fill out the fields like zipcode and cityname, and I'm back in the listview, it just shows the uid instead of for example using zipcode or cityname. Any suggestions for making it use those instead?
11:44 teppi|work Bitcrusher, http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_core_api/1.2.0/view/4/2/
11:44 randomresult Bitcrusher u can choose lablefield in the extensionmanager
11:45 teppi|work have a look at the field "label"
11:47 Bitcrusher thanks, that seemed like the right link :)
11:48 Bitcrusher randomresult: when you say extensionmanager, do you mean Ext Manager in the left pane, and then clicking the extensions name?
11:54 randomresult sorry, meant the kickstarter
11:55 snoy_ms Phlogi: ok thanks!
11:56 snoy_ms Phlogi: you mean the t3dev extension ?
11:57 snoy_ms Phlogi: sorry....i just saw it now. ....TYPO3 4.2 up. new developer functions: FlexForm-Generator......
12:06 Bitcrusher aww crap, i've closed the kickstarter
12:07 Bitcrusher is there any way to reopen a plugin?
12:07 Bitcrusher in the kickstarter
12:07 Bitcrusher as far as i know, when you've close a plugin, you cant continue working on it later. Can this be true?
12:09 Bitcrusher randomresult: you know if this is true?
12:10 randomresult i think so
12:11 teppi|work Bitcrusher, http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/kickstarter/current/
12:11 teppi|work Creates a framework for a new extension
12:11 teppi|work N E W ;-)
12:12 Denyerec MORGENS!
12:13 Denyerec randomresult - I *think* I understand you
12:13 Denyerec You basically want an FCE which allows the user to choose from a list of links?
12:15 Bitcrusher teppi: yeah, i was afraid of that ;)
12:17 teppi|work randomresult, have a look at this
12:17 teppi|work http://pastebin.com/m1811fe64
12:17 teppi|work i just did something like this last week
12:17 teppi|work the image, the headline and the more link have all the same link
12:18 teppi|work its a teaser content element
12:20 Denyerec teppi|work - how does that work for you ?
12:21 Denyerec You enter a link in the FCE, and it applies that link to several elements?
12:21 teppi|work yep
12:21 teppi|work i dont if thats what randomresult want to do
12:22 teppi|work :-)
12:22 teppi|work but it sounds like
12:23 Denyerec I think he wants a list of links
12:24 Denyerec randomresult
12:24 Denyerec http://pastebin.com/d3eb78635
12:24 Denyerec that creates a dropdown in an FCE for a different purpose
12:24 Denyerec might help ?
12:29 iamjay mhs, I've got a question, I need to have a variable thats stored a whole session.. frontendwise... I tried setting a variable=value in my root template, and try to overwrite it with {$variable} in some page above(!) but I also want to have that varialbe changed on all "layers" e.g. whatever page you visit during that session - hows that possible ??
12:31 iamjay arg,mistake... I overwrite it just by variable=newvalue ofc.... still when I switch to some page thats not under the page with newvalue... its set to its original value inherited from root page
12:33 teppi|work iamjay, please paste code somewhere .. I dont really understand what you want to do
12:34 iamjay teppi|work, damn I thought so - well I just want to change a variable which is specified in my root template.. and it should stay overwritten the whole session (until browser is closed or something)
12:35 teppi|work TEXT.field = title .. for instance gets the title of the actual page .. it depends on which value you want to set where
12:37 iamjay ok well.. its about employees.. when you open a certain site like www.testpage.com/employee1 I want to have a value "emailsendtouser=(obscured mail address)" which should then be accessible on the whole system ( I will then configure mailformplus to use that email )
12:42 Denyerec anyone here used rg_smoothgallery? I'm having trouble getting the advanced config settings working :/
12:43 ptiteuf Hello everyone
12:43 teppi|work iamjay sounds weird somehow ..
12:44 teppi|work still dont understand
12:44 teppi|work :D
12:57 Bluespuke hi people
12:58 Bluespuke i'm looking for a way to export a typo3 site as xml to load it with flash
12:58 Bluespuke any extenbsions?
12:58 randomresult Denyerec: thanx for the information ...w orks good but... shows the link completely with <a href=" and stuff...
12:59 randomresult maybe HTML instead of TEXT ... ?
12:59 Denyerec possibly, been a while since I looked into it
13:02 randomresult no, does not work... diffrence between urs and mine... i use a plain input field... you use a header as far as i can see...
13:04 Denyerec :(
13:04 randomresult i can post u my xml... maybe u see a mistake i made...
13:04 Denyerec I'm having an issue with my image configuration.... one of the image tests in image scaling, jesus is always on a black background.
13:04 Denyerec He should be on a white background
13:05 Denyerec and I just can't seem to get it right
13:05 _pedda_ someone ever used markers in rte ?
13:05 _pedda_ or placeholders
13:05 _pedda_ which are replaced dynamically then
13:10 randomresult Denyerec: here my xml : http://paste.phlogi.net/-176d630c31/
13:10 Denyerec http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/typo3-dev/2007-April/023403.html <-- #2 there, I have this issue and cannot semeingly resolve it
13:11 Denyerec urhg, Phlogi's highlighter is BAAAAD for XML
13:11 randomresult :)
13:19 Phlogi Denyerec: it does not highlight xml, so simple... set the option to plaintext!
13:19 beli evil :)
13:19 Phlogi if damn geshi would work :D
13:20 beli _pedda_: is that really usefull? i would create adjusted templates for pages that need it
13:20 _pedda_ if i have a page with multiple content elements
13:21 _pedda_ each of them contains a link to a booking page
13:21 _pedda_ which changes from parental page to parental page
13:21 Phlogi _pedda_: does your css rtl thing work for emails?
13:21 _pedda_ the content is included via use content from this page instead in page properties
13:21 _pedda_ Phlogi: didn't go on with that task yet
13:23 beli ok i understand, _pedda_ ....hmmm.....
13:24 randomresult Denyerec: i have it ...
13:24 randomresult Denyerec : set <HSC type="integer">1</HSC> to <HSC type="integer">0</HSC> and the link is rendered as link :)
13:25 Denyerec AHhhh bloody special chars!
13:25 Denyerec that thing always gets me!
13:36 xonx Hi.
13:37 _pedda_ hi
13:41 atmos4 if one cannot use php to do the logic, a lot of thought has to be put into the sql queries
13:42 ptiteuf I was wondering if someone could design my m'installer via templatevoila. Mp to say yes
13:43 xonx mm tables which are created with kickstarter have a field tabelnames. What sense does that make?
13:44 atmos4 xonx: maybe for typo3's internal table reference checking?
13:45 xonx Urm. But when I create some relations, the field stays empty
13:46 atmos4 hmm :-) then no idea
13:46 _pedda_ beli: some kind of this : http://typo3.toaster-schwerin.de/typo3_dev/2008_03/msg00592.html
13:47 _pedda_ custom tag prefilled with proper id to a booking page in each section the content is included
13:47 xonx Do you know a good example extension, which makes *proper* use of m:n relations?
13:54 atmos4 hmm, anyone know an alrternative to COALESCE() that trhat ignores 0 instead of NULL values?
13:57 zed_devil hi there -- if a problem with "sremailsubscribe". i've set "Enable email on approval =1", the email was send and everthing works fine. But the mail is in plain text format i want it in HTML. How can i change that?? thanks in advance
13:57 atmos4 argh of course mysql docs have to be down when I need them :-)
14:19 ries atmos4: use a switch/case statement
14:19 ries COALESCE us only used for NULL siutations
14:21 gehdan how can I change the default-tag for content headers from h1 to h2?
14:26 atmos4 ries: switch/case in SQL?
14:27 ries That's what you are asking, right?
14:27 ries you want something to be a other value when some field matched 0?
14:27 atmos4 yes
14:28 atmos4 but I have to do it in pure sql
14:28 ries you can use this doc aswell if MySQL is down : http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/interactive/functions-conditional.html
14:29 atmos4 thanks didn't know of that
14:29 ries then there is a lot to learn in the world of SQL :D
14:31 atmos4 yes
14:31 atmos4 thx, just tested it works great
14:32 ries yup it does!
14:32 Denyerec Does anyone know a good guide for configuring the current RTE?
14:33 Denyerec I simply need to add a couple of custom paragraph classes and have the RTE display them with the correct CSS
14:33 ries Denyerec: pay skurfuerst: :D
14:33 Denyerec in the past this has required much butchery, I'm hoping it's easier now.
14:33 Denyerec ries, I have to eat peanuts for lunch (literally), paying anyone is out of the question.
14:33 Denyerec They are peanuts with chilli flakes, though, so it's not all bad.
14:33 Denyerec Still, hardly a balanced diet.
14:33 ries hahahaha
14:34 ries you can still ask him on FLOW3...
14:36 ries Denyerec: what you want, I think I have done that once..but just with IM... it always takes fiddling around to get the right result
14:36 Denyerec Just want to be able to select text and pick a style from the dropdowns
14:36 Denyerec I've done it before on another site, but it was fiiddly and I wondered if the new RTE had improved things
14:37 ries Hmmm yeaa I have done that
14:37 Denyerec I had to use some Page TS
14:37 ries I don't think anything has improved...
14:37 Denyerec then a CSS file separate to my main one
14:37 Denyerec etc
14:37 ries indeed... page TS is the way to go
14:46 atmos4 ries: you have an idea why this returns an SQL error? WHERE lngart_ausgabenref = CASE 0 = 0 THEN 2520 ELSE 0 END
14:49 ries atmos4: try this : WHERE lngart_ausgabenref = (CASE WHEN 0 = 0 THEN 2520 ELSE 0 END);
14:49 atmos4 already tried, parentheses do not help
14:49 ries what's the error?
14:50 ries you did notice the WHEN behind CASE difference??
14:51 atmos4 ah no I didn't =)
14:51 atmos4 *g* stupid error
14:52 ries I think your where put of by my () :)
14:52 ries I always use them to make my statements more visable...
14:53 atmos4 if I wasn't putting the code into a 20 char sized input field that sure would make sense ;-)
15:00 Denyerec typo3 is proper shagged in Opera
15:00 Denyerec For real
15:04 ries Denyerec: after ALL these years, you still use OPEra??? :D
15:07 Denyerec It's still the best out there Ries
15:08 atmos4 argh, what about safari 4?
15:08 Denyerec Except for webmasters who write sloppy code or don't pay attention to the right cache headers
15:08 Denyerec Opera is a strict mistress :)
15:08 Denyerec Safari on Windows.. *shudder*
15:08 atmos4 well use chrome if you like, same engine
15:08 Denyerec *doubleshudder*
15:08 atmos4 but the safari js engine is the fastest
15:08 Denyerec I like apps to look like my OS
15:09 atmos4 then use IE
15:09 Denyerec atmos4 - Opera 10 Beta has that crown AFAIK
15:09 Denyerec IE is a useless pile of useless
15:09 Denyerec FIrefox is OK, but seems to be a lot less stable than it used to be.
15:09 atmos4 last time I checked safari 4 was by far the fastest js engine
15:09 atmos4 a lot faster than ff 3.5
15:10 Denyerec I stand corrected.
15:10 Denyerec Shame the rest of it sucks... ;)
15:11 atmos4 the only cool thing about firefox is it's support for extensions
15:12 Denyerec Yeah
15:12 Denyerec Though mercifully Dragonfly obviates my need for Firebug somewhat
15:13 Denyerec Alas, working in webdev means you have to have 8902 browsers installed at all times anyway
15:13 Denyerec So at least if something doesn't work you can always use a different one :)
15:13 atmos4 safari/webkit has webinspector
15:13 atmos4 which is really cool
15:14 atmos4 firebug is even better though
15:14 atmos4 but safari has a really good resource inspector and js debugger
15:16 atmos4 just got a shipment from amazon, an 800 page book on SEO and a few smaller books on social networking (twitter, xing, ...)
15:18 atmos4 the seo books supposed to be very readable
15:26 ries atmos4: what's the name of that JS debugger in safary??
15:26 atmos4 it's integrated into web inspector
15:26 ries never knew that :)
15:27 atmos4 support breakponts, on the fly interpreting with object inspection etc.
15:28 Denyerec Hmm
15:28 Denyerec The link wizard in the RTE is including a URL before every linked file URL
15:28 Denyerec EG it is producing this:
15:28 Denyerec href="http://www.verticalheightsafety.com/typo3/http://www.verticalheightsafety.com/fileadmin/pdfs/CourseBookingForm.doc"
15:28 Denyerec Which is obviously completely broken
15:28 Denyerec FF3.5
15:29 atmos4 typo3 version?
15:29 Denyerec 4.3a
15:29 Denyerec Known bug?
15:29 atmos4 there was a bug in 4.2.6 that was fixed in 4.2.7
15:29 atmos4 maybe it ain't fixed in 4.3a
15:30 atmos4 it only affects firefox 3.0.11 and newer
15:31 atmos4 if the 4.3a you use it older than typo3 4.2.7 by release date, then it's definitly broken
15:34 lazarus477 Are we talking about the firefox backend bug?
15:36 atmos4 yea
15:37 Denyerec !seen just2b
15:45 Michelangelo hi all
15:46 Guest7182 hi all
15:48 Guest7182 i am suffering with a problem to make a jquery and a mootools extension work together at the same time. I ve already added the noconflict fo jquery, but I also need to make the jquery stuff to appear first in the source. Can anybody help me with that?
15:50 lazarus477 Guest7182: Are you using the busynoggin quicksite framework?
15:51 lazarus477 atmos4: A note on the firefoxbug. I had the problem with the backend modules going out of wach in FF 3 and I solved it by installing this FF bugfix extention in the backend.
15:52 _pedda_ can someone point me what's the problem with this one ? http://pastie.org/554988
15:52 _pedda_ the if clause is ignored
15:53 atmos4 I have no problems with t3 packend, I patched the rte js files on 4.2.6 systems or upgraded to 4.2.8 where possible
15:53 Guest7182 I don't know busynoggin. The point is that the site has to work in IE7/8 aswell
15:53 atmos4 but denyrec has problems in 4.3a
15:54 atmos4 Guest7182: btw. most recent mootools also has a compatibility mode
15:54 atmos4 you cannot use $() selectors then
15:54 lazarus477 Guest7182: Have you tried customizing the page header?
15:56 Guest7182 i am using fl_header_slide; rgtabs which are mootools and the kiwislider which has jquery integrated . I ve tried to set the order in the source similar like this, but my template crashes. http://pastie.org/553736
15:57 atmos4 sorry, I don't currently have time to take an indepth look, but aybe others can help
15:57 Guest7182 and for the selector: I ve put the following into the jquery extension var jq = $.noConflict() and replaced all $ by jq
16:12 _pedda_ maholtz|WORK: any ideas why this one does not work ? http://pastie.org/554988
16:13 maholtz|WORK http://wiki.typo3.org/De:TSref/stdWrap#dataWrap
16:13 maholtz|WORK there is no stdWrap capability on dataWrap
16:14 maholtz|WORK use outerWrap for that
16:14 _pedda_ + insertData
16:14 _pedda_ hmpf
16:14 maholtz|WORK yep
16:14 _pedda_ <- dumba**
16:14 maholtz|WORK not sure if i am right with that
16:14 _pedda_ k
16:14 maholtz|WORK but imho it is worth to try
16:15 _pedda_ you're right ;)
16:15 _pedda_ hmm note: check stdWrap properties before ask in chan
16:16 atmos4 I'm getting repetitive strain injury from hitting clear cache button ;-)
16:17 lazarus477 I got this funny feeling that perhaps the world would be better off if we put IT back into the closete and went back to using pens and paper...
16:17 _pedda_ config.no_cache = 1 ?
16:17 atmos4 _pedda_: good idea, I only knew you could do it via query string
16:18 atmos4 although this would kill the site I'm currently working on
16:18 _pedda_ ;)
16:18 atmos4 typo3 on server with 128mb ram is no good idea
16:18 _pedda_ put it into your ts setup
16:18 atmos4 with db on same server
16:18 _pedda_ no it's not
16:18 _pedda_ but where did you get a 128 mb ram bar ?
16:18 _pedda_ ^^
16:18 _pedda_ or was ist years ago
16:18 _pedda_ ?
16:18 atmos4 not me
16:18 atmos4 cleant and it's a vserver
16:18 atmos4 xen
16:19 atmos4 or rather a hosting package that uses xen
16:19 lazarus477 How must does typo3 actually need when it comes to RAM?
16:19 lazarus477 I read something about 64 MB in the docs, which are dated.
16:19 atmos4 dpends on your setup
16:20 atmos4 if you run mostly froms tic file cache you can be fine with 256MB ram for webserver + db for a couple of typo3 sites
16:20 atmos4 static file cache
16:20 atmos4 you'd have to watch your mysql.cf though
16:20 atmos4 too much parallel sql connections kill the server
16:21 lazarus477 ok
16:21 atmos4 optimizing connection limits and timeouts helps greatly
16:21 atmos4 I ran a server with 256MB some years ago
16:21 atmos4 and after extensive mysql tweaking it worked well, even without nc_staticfilecache
16:22 atmos4 also max apache processes should be tweaked if on small ram
16:23 atmos4 other webserver like nginx would also be an option
16:24 Phlogi anyone interested in a shell script that can upload the latest typo3_src to multiple servers via ftp automatically? Or do you guys all have ssh access?
16:46 ries Phlogi: who needs FTP when there is rsync?? :D
16:46 Phlogi ries: which hoster does support rsync?? :D
16:47 ries Phlogi: who needs to have a hoster when you can have your own server :D
16:48 Phlogi ries: haha, this gets silly now :D
16:49 ries atmos4: I use XEN aswell on my server... but give it a bit more RAM
16:49 ries Phlogi: I know....
16:49 Phlogi hehe
16:49 atmos4 ries: yea, virtualisation is a nice thing
16:50 Phlogi not everyone can manage a server
16:50 atmos4 I support VMware ESX and vSphere at a few clients
16:50 Phlogi and its rather time consuming
16:50 atmos4 though those servers usually have 16-32GB RAM
16:50 ries Hey Houmark
16:50 atmos4 and it's usaully two server for redundancy
16:50 Houmark2 hey Ries :)
16:51 ries atmos4: mine as just 4GB... (or was it 8??? I forgot...) But has 4CPU's at 3GHZ running a hand full of domU's
16:51 ries Hey Houmark2 save back home?
16:51 atmos4 due to it's virtual nature I can do all admin work via vpn from home
16:51 atmos4 cpu isn't usally an issue in virtualiation
16:52 atmos4 ram is usally the scarce resource
16:52 ries agreed...
16:52 atmos4 most servers run at around 5-10% load anyways
16:52 Denyerec Anyone here used rg_smoothgallery ?
16:52 ries using VM's is only a bit dangerous for databases...
16:52 Denyerec I'm trying to randomise the images and it's kicking my ass.
16:52 ries Denyerec: I used it for a test
16:53 Denyerec I just can't get my head around the mooTools code
16:53 atmos4 ries: well you have to be careful with snapshots and backups
16:53 Denyerec every edit I make seems to destroy it
16:53 atmos4 to make sure they are transaction consitent
16:53 ries atmos4: also power autages within VM's
16:54 atmos4 as long as the physical servers doesn't go out of power and hasnt got a bbu for the raid it shouldn't be much of a problem
16:55 ries atmos4: For snapshots I learned that you need to tell your DB to freeze and commit everything to the drive...
16:55 atmos4 yes
16:55 atmos4 on windows vss proviers help with that
16:55 atmos4 so you can do runtime backups of ms sql server
16:56 ries also.... the problem is that (in the case of XEN) that dom0 caches disk data... so the DB 'thinks' that everything was well written to disk, while in fact data can still hang in RAM. if your server crashes/power problems etc... that your DB might be in a inconsistent state
16:56 atmos4 linux and other dbs lack behind in that regard
16:56 ries Not behind, it just needs more work...
16:58 ries that said... I don't use windows.... it's just about what I know
16:58 Jahithber anyone hier tried to use django ?
16:59 ManDay As soon as I unload extension X on my page I get an "extension key not loaded" fatal error on all my pages - what is the reason for this most likely?
16:59 ries ManDay: does it not tell you what extension is not loaded?
17:03 Denyerec ARAGTHHBAHGAHG
17:03 Denyerec Bloody mootools!
17:03 Denyerec Bloody Firebug too
17:03 Denyerec doesn't seem to want to report any errors these days
17:03 Denyerec it's gone from bad to useless
17:05 Phlogi Denyerec: hmm... you mean js errors?
17:05 Denyerec yeah
17:05 Denyerec I put intentional errors in my JS
17:06 Denyerec and Firebug did nothing
17:06 Phlogi hmm I don't use firebug for js
17:06 Phlogi I just use the error console
17:06 atmos4_ maybe the parsr can autofix them
17:07 Denyerec Phlogi - error console?
17:07 Phlogi Tools->Error COnsole
17:07 Phlogi in ff
17:07 Phlogi ctrl-shift J on linux
17:18 gerards yeah firebug doesn't seem to be reliable anymore. Phlogi is right. the error console of FF does work well.
17:24 Phlogi :)
17:31 HardPhuck which linux distro whould you recommend for serving a high traffic website (10-100k users per day)
17:33 Denyerec can you log to the error console Phlogi ?
17:38 Phlogi Denyerec: from js?
17:38 Denyerec console.log it seems
17:38 Denyerec having a right bloody time with Firebug at the moment
17:38 Denyerec it's making life impossible
17:39 Denyerec all I need to do is randomise some sodding elements and it's taken hours to get nowhere.
17:39 Denyerec Yet another "one of those days"
17:39 Denyerec I swear my entire coding career would take Dmitry an afternoon to complete.
17:39 Phlogi I know exactly what you're talking about
17:39 gerards Denyerec: are you using Dojo?
17:39 Phlogi developing js is always a pain I think
17:39 Denyerec no, mootools with rg_smoothgallery
17:40 gerards ok. nevermind then.
17:40 Phlogi HardPhuck: I don't think the distro matter much for that
17:41 Phlogi HardPhuck: if you need hard opimization and customisation I can only recommend gentoo :) (its source based)
17:44 HardPhuck how easy is to upgrade it?
17:44 HardPhuck like apache, php ,mysql
17:47 Phlogi not really easy I would say
17:47 Phlogi and you need some knowledge about linux
17:47 Phlogi go for debian ;) they rock
17:50 HardPhuck what about ubuntu?
17:54 Phlogi HardPhuck: ubuntu is debian... and you don't need that overhead on a server
17:54 Phlogi HardPhuck: but these are opinions... you can easily start a big flamewar with such questions
17:55 _pedda_ cu all
18:11 HardPhuck Phlogi, yeah thought so
18:14 ManDay ries, extension X
18:18 ries strange
18:18 ries there is no extension with that name...
18:18 ries it almost looks like a typo
18:18 ries what is the extension you are loading?
18:41 ManDay olol
18:41 ManDay now im sorry
18:41 ManDay i meant X as a placeholder for the actual name ries
18:41 ManDay the extension is a self created one
18:41 ManDay but i wouldnt know any dependency
18:41 ries but what extension are you loading, and what name is it missing???
18:42 ries it should name something... and not just X
18:42 ManDay well the name wont help you. its "kw_search"
18:42 ManDay its one that i programmed
18:49 ManDay any idea?
18:49 ManDay there is nothing referring to "kw_search" in the templates - nor does any other ext rely on it
18:53 ManDay ries?
18:54 ries ManDay: do you have something like this in your extension??? require_once(t3lib_extMgm::extPath
18:54 ries ?
18:54 ManDay in what extension? in the one that i removed?
18:56 ManDay ries
18:58 ries ManDay: You wrote it you saidm right???
19:03 ManDay the one i removed, yes ries.
19:03 ries then somewhere in that extension it want's to load/use/refere a other extension with a name X that is not installed
19:09 ManDay I figured it out
19:09 ManDay I just had to clear the cache
19:09 ManDay weirdhow
19:11 ries strange... in that case you might want to add 'clearCacheOnLoad' => 1, in ext_emconf.php
19:23 ManDay thanks ries, bye
21:10 ckoehler rte experts
21:10 ckoehler why are font changes made as tags, not style?
21:10 ckoehler and how do i prevent them from being deleted on save?
23:42 Denyerec ckoehler ?
23:42 Denyerec made as tags?
23:42 Denyerec you mean made as FONT ?
23:45 ckoehler font tag
23:45 ckoehler yeah
23:45 ckoehler figured it out though
23:45 ckoehler had to remove it from removeTags
23:49 Denyerec Do you want font tags tho ?
23:50 Denyerec I thoight the RTE put in sane markup ?
23:50 ckoehler no, not at all
23:50 ckoehler i thought so too
23:50 ckoehler but apparently not
23:50 ckoehler at least by default
23:59 Denyerec Mmm
23:59 Denyerec I KNOW I've read something about this
23:59 Denyerec I'm struggling to rememeber it

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