| 00:27 |
ries |
Denyerec: I have work for you.... if you dfon't mind, no worries... it's just design ;) |
| 00:29 |
Denyerec |
Hey ries |
| 00:30 |
ries |
Hey Denyerec |
| 00:30 |
Denyerec |
that's OK, I'm not good enough for code anyway :) |
| 00:30 |
ries |
Good good :) |
| 00:30 |
ries |
Denyerec: I know you shot a lot of buttons... you might need to shoot 2200 cocktails for me......... |
| 00:30 |
ries |
Just kidding |
| 00:30 |
Denyerec |
Haha |
| 00:31 |
Denyerec |
if I drank, that'd be a dream assignment :) |
| 00:31 |
Denyerec |
For the first 6 or 7 anyway... |
| 00:31 |
ries |
then they would properly a bit fuzy... right? |
| 00:31 |
Denyerec |
I guess so |
| 00:33 |
HardPhuck |
lol |
| 00:33 |
HardPhuck |
so far so good :) |
| 00:44 |
ries |
Denyerec: send you a mail |
| 03:25 |
lazarus477 |
I got two questions. First one is about importing t3d files. Can I import a t3d from an older typo3 installation into a newer one? |
| 03:29 |
nature |
any realurl guru's awake? |
| 03:31 |
ries |
nature: what's the question?? |
| 03:31 |
ries |
lazarus477: yes you can import a t3d like that |
| 03:33 |
lazarus477 |
ries: Thanks |
| 03:33 |
lazarus477 |
Next question is harder for me to formulate but will give it a shot. |
| 03:33 |
nature |
well |
| 03:33 |
ries |
a hot is always good |
| 03:34 |
nature |
i have a multi domain site set up |
| 03:34 |
ries |
+s |
| 03:34 |
nature |
and so i'm attempting to have the auto conf file regenerate itslef |
| 03:34 |
nature |
but it won't |
| 03:34 |
nature |
so real url is broken for two of the three sites |
| 03:34 |
lazarus477 |
When working with a site and redoing it. What property or thing must I keep track of to not lose my content? |
| 03:35 |
nature |
i swear... no other extension has made me struggle more than realurl |
| 03:35 |
lazarus477 |
What is it that maps to the database table columns? Which page property? |
| 03:35 |
nature |
almost two years later |
| 03:35 |
ries |
nature: I am not sure of auto generate can hanle multi domain setups , I never used auto generate.... But what holds you nack doing it by hand?? there are quite a number of samples on teh net on how such a setup should looklike |
| 03:35 |
ries |
lazarus477: is it a TV site? |
| 03:36 |
nature |
well... Dmitry basically told me to use autoconf |
| 03:36 |
ries |
nature: it' snot an easy extension for sure.... |
| 03:36 |
lazarus477 |
ries: Not yet but it will be |
| 03:36 |
nature |
as it does work becuase |
| 03:36 |
nature |
i have another site working fine with it |
| 03:36 |
lazarus477 |
I have a standrard typo3 site using a standard template but am transitioning to TV. |
| 03:36 |
ries |
I believe, but not sure that auto-conf does some auto detection, if it detects a realurl conf, then it will not re-generate... that's all I know |
| 03:37 |
ries |
lazarus477: if you are changing to TV then the content will stay on the page, in that case you need to put it in teh TV columns... so it will not get lost |
| 03:37 |
ries |
for very large sites you could write a script (been there, done that) but it is not as simple as 123 |
| 03:38 |
lazarus477 |
Are there any sitations in which it is needed to manually do database editing, such as remap field names or similar? |
| 03:39 |
nature |
which net examples might you suggest? |
| 03:40 |
ries |
lazarus477: if you change from classic to TV, then you need to manuualy put the content elements in the TV columns |
| 03:41 |
lazarus477 |
ries: So that would not be possible to do using SQL queries? |
| 03:41 |
ries |
nature: I think this applies to you : http://dmitry-dulepov.com/article/realurl-made-easy-part-2.html |
| 03:41 |
ries |
lazarus477: Wel... yes and no.... The think is that TV needs to have an XML structure in the pages table whish tells TV what tt_content elements goes in what column |
| 03:42 |
ries |
so yes you can do it using pure SQL, but not under all conditions (multi-langauge setups are a bit harder....) |
| 03:43 |
lazarus477 |
ries: Ah yes, I understand. I read the docs on TV and busynoggin.com... |
| 03:43 |
lazarus477 |
ries: Sounds like something one would do using manual labour, yes? |
| 03:47 |
ries |
lazarus477: that depends on the size of your site... |
| 03:47 |
ries |
I have done it on a site with a couple of 1000 pages.... it was faster to code it then doing it by hand |
| 03:47 |
ries |
But if you have a hand full of pages, then it's faster to do it by hand |
| 03:49 |
lazarus477 |
ries: Lucky me, I will be doing it by hand, ergo a handjob... lol |
| 03:49 |
ries |
lazarus477: clean your keybaord afterwards then..... so much typing hè |
| 03:50 |
lazarus477 |
haha |
| 03:58 |
nature |
what is up with the smiley faces on that page? |
| 04:11 |
nature |
so is dmitry basically saying in that article that all that goes in one conf file (and we point to it using ext manager -> realurl? |
| 04:38 |
nature |
wow... it's like real url doesn't want to see my new conf file |
| 04:39 |
nature |
of course who knows if it's correct |
| 04:39 |
nature |
never again |
| 04:43 |
nature |
"It seems like there is a backend module in "mod1/conf.php" which is not configured in ext_emconf.php |
| 04:43 |
nature |
No XCLASS inclusion code found in file "class.tx_realurl_userfunctest.php"" |
| 12:26 |
lazarus477 |
Has anyone here got any good open source tools to recomend for use when doing wireframes/prototyping? |
| 12:39 |
HardPhuck |
for html? |
| 12:39 |
lazarus477 |
Yes |
| 12:39 |
lazarus477 |
For doing a web site mockup or wireframe |
| 12:40 |
HardPhuck |
http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/skidoo_redux/lean/ |
| 12:40 |
HardPhuck |
i usually start with this |
| 12:40 |
lazarus477 |
Thanks |
| 12:40 |
HardPhuck |
if you want grids, then use 960.gs |
| 12:41 |
HardPhuck |
or if you want bloated code, use yaml.de |
| 12:42 |
lazarus477 |
HardPhuck: Thanks a million. Been looking for ages for tools like these. |
| 12:43 |
HardPhuck |
no problem |
| 12:44 |
HardPhuck |
i usually use those for low budget sites |
| 12:44 |
HardPhuck |
otherwise i only use Eric Meyer's reset and write my own xhtml |
| 12:46 |
lazarus477 |
HardPhuck: Got a URL for Eric? |
| 12:58 |
lazarus477 |
HardPhuck: Ok found what I was looking for on Eric. Now I get what you were saying in your last line :-) |
| 13:02 |
HardPhuck |
http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/01/15/resetting-again/ |
| 13:02 |
HardPhuck |
this is the latest reincarnation |
| 13:02 |
HardPhuck |
:) |
| 13:02 |
lazarus477 |
ty |
| 13:02 |
HardPhuck |
np |
| 13:28 |
lazarus477 |
HardPhuck: Do you make use of TV? |
| 13:28 |
HardPhuck |
yes |
| 13:29 |
lazarus477 |
HardPhuck: But you also make use of handcoding xhtml combined with CSS frameworks like 960? |
| 13:29 |
HardPhuck |
yup |
| 13:29 |
HardPhuck |
alhotugh i don't use 960 |
| 13:30 |
lazarus477 |
Ah |
| 13:30 |
lazarus477 |
Haha |
| 13:30 |
HardPhuck |
i don't use grid systems |
| 13:30 |
lazarus477 |
Ok |
| 13:30 |
HardPhuck |
because they negate the xhtml+css approach |
| 13:30 |
lazarus477 |
Do you make use of busynoggin.com's quicksite framework? |
| 13:31 |
HardPhuck |
yes, actually i'm just making my first page with that |
| 13:32 |
lazarus477 |
I am in the planning stage of doing the same |
| 13:36 |
HardPhuck |
a bit different approach to what i'm used to, but nothing big |
| 13:42 |
lazarus477 |
HardPhuck: Hmm love these URLs which you refered me to. The 960_sketch.pdf doc is quite useful. |
| 13:44 |
HardPhuck |
yeah, i usually provide those to the designer :) |
| 13:44 |
HardPhuck |
i sketch what i need and send it over and he makes the design |
| 13:45 |
lazarus477 |
Nice |
| 13:47 |
lazarus477 |
Question. Would you rather be doing the designing? It appears to me that you are missing out on some of the fun? Guess your job dictates what you get to work on? |
| 13:49 |
HardPhuck |
i don't have the talent to design, i made some, but i rather give that to profesionals, i usually just make mockups and sketches |
| 13:50 |
HardPhuck |
i have a good designer and i consider html writing and using typo3 also fun |
| 13:50 |
HardPhuck |
and i don't have a regular job, i'm more of a freelancer |
| 13:51 |
lazarus477 |
Don't the mockups have to take the design into account? Or is it rather the task of the designer to find a design which works well with what's in the mockup? |
| 13:52 |
lazarus477 |
I respect that. |
| 13:52 |
HardPhuck |
it's up to the designer if he finds anything useful in my mockups :) |
| 13:52 |
lazarus477 |
Hahaha |
| 13:52 |
HardPhuck |
i leave most of the design decisions to him |
| 13:53 |
lazarus477 |
Hmm. Guess the question I am seeking to ask is more along the lines of, what should a mockup contain? Anything related to the design? Only content highlights? |
| 13:54 |
HardPhuck |
when i say mockup i mean more of a wireframe really, so positions of the navigation, images, logo, content, footer header |
| 13:55 |
HardPhuck |
but not into details just boxes |
| 13:55 |
HardPhuck |
and i let him know what those boxes contain |
| 13:56 |
lazarus477 |
I get the picture that mockups are fairly stereotyped, not much differences between a mockup of one site to another? |
| 13:56 |
HardPhuck |
something like this but drawn by hand http://www.fivetechnology.com/images/blog/hunting_wireframe1.jpg |
| 13:57 |
HardPhuck |
http://cu.trabian.com/fileneresearchinstitute/filenesite/filene_wireframe0101.gif |
| 13:57 |
HardPhuck |
or this :) |
| 13:57 |
HardPhuck |
so yea, the mockups are not that different |
| 13:58 |
HardPhuck |
it's just the visual representation of element position |
| 13:58 |
lazarus477 |
This is helpful |
| 13:58 |
lazarus477 |
Looks to me that one purpose of doing a mockup is also to allow the customer to get to have a say about how the design will look? |
| 13:59 |
HardPhuck |
no, i usually don't let the client to decide on that one |
| 13:59 |
HardPhuck |
most of them want |
| 13:59 |
lazarus477 |
Hmm. Yep I know how that can be a pain in the rear end. |
| 13:59 |
HardPhuck |
but let them know they are not the profesionals to do that |
| 13:59 |
lazarus477 |
Haha |
| 14:00 |
lazarus477 |
I did a website makeover for a fellow who kept insisting on there being to much white and not enough filling in color. Against my recomendations he poked around the code and made a mess of things, lol. |
| 14:00 |
HardPhuck |
because if you let the client to decide on stuff, you loose time, money and patience, and the end product is not what you as a pro would want it to be |
| 14:01 |
HardPhuck |
yeah, happens to all of us |
| 14:01 |
HardPhuck |
http://makemylogobiggercream.com/ |
| 14:01 |
HardPhuck |
show them this, if they insist |
| 14:01 |
lazarus477 |
I agree. That is how I deal with clients quite often when doing tech work. |
| 14:02 |
HardPhuck |
i also don't give the clients admin rights on typo and i remove most of the options from RTE so they cannot mess around |
| 14:02 |
HardPhuck |
some insist on having it, but then i tell nobody i made that site haha |
| 14:05 |
HardPhuck |
anyways, gotta go, i'll be back later on |
| 14:05 |
HardPhuck |
bye |
| 14:05 |
lazarus477 |
tata |
| 14:16 |
timdeluxe |
hrhr, funny video |
| 14:18 |
lazarus477 |
Yea and I love it, hits the mark spot on. |
| 14:18 |
timdeluxe |
it completely does |
| 14:19 |
lazarus477 |
Makes me glad I stuck that fellow with plenty of white areas on his site, lol. |
| 14:19 |
timdeluxe |
btw i followed your conversation: i am at exactly at the same stage and worrying what i use to help me |
| 14:19 |
lazarus477 |
Well in that case lets chatter :-) |
| 14:20 |
timdeluxe |
yep :D i also installed the busynoggin f.w. to try it out |
| 14:20 |
timdeluxe |
and already mailed to ron who made it |
| 14:20 |
lazarus477 |
I am one of those people that has studied computer tech from the ground up. So I have done programming, xhtml, css, windows, linux, servers, raid, apache, you name it. |
| 14:20 |
lazarus477 |
Now I want to do something about my website. |
| 14:20 |
lazarus477 |
Picked up on typo3 2 years ago. |
| 14:21 |
lazarus477 |
Now I want to take my very modest site to the level it needs to be at when it comes to content and looks. |
| 14:21 |
timdeluxe |
i understand you |
| 14:21 |
lazarus477 |
So I have spent the past two weeks studying the typo3 docs, the TemplaVoila docs along with busynoggin.com's TV framework called quicksite. |
| 14:21 |
timdeluxe |
my normal job is unix/linux server administring, i do web/html/cms and so on only as a hobby |
| 14:22 |
lazarus477 |
Used to be my hobby to but in the past couple of years I have been asked by a few tech related clients if I would kindly do them a website. |
| 14:22 |
timdeluxe |
yep, i studied here and there but i am not already at the "ahaaa!" point ;) |
| 14:22 |
lazarus477 |
I did a few then said "STOP, NO MORE!". My results did not please me plus were a pain to put out. |
| 14:23 |
timdeluxe |
yeah, but you have to when hobby grows out too much |
| 14:23 |
lazarus477 |
Well as luck would have it I have gaised at design related topics and tools and studied a couple of artists as they work with pen and paper. |
| 14:23 |
lazarus477 |
Now I got darned good at all the tools, understanding their features, file formats and all. |
| 14:24 |
timdeluxe |
thats cool |
| 14:24 |
lazarus477 |
Got very good at doing vectorised drawings such as logos. |
| 14:24 |
timdeluxe |
respect |
| 14:24 |
lazarus477 |
Then about a month ago someone asked me to do something new. A full blown CAR! in inkscape. |
| 14:24 |
timdeluxe |
my graphical skills end at making little flyers |
| 14:25 |
lazarus477 |
This turned out to take me 7 days but the result was so stunning people went WOW! and I went "What? Can I actually draw?" |
| 14:25 |
lazarus477 |
Now I am putting all this know-how together. |
| 14:25 |
timdeluxe |
can i see it somewhere? :D |
| 14:25 |
lazarus477 |
Sure hang on. |
| 14:26 |
timdeluxe |
i agree on hardphuck: a grid system is nice but not how html/css should be used |
| 14:27 |
timdeluxe |
(just looked at the 960 page) |
| 14:27 |
lazarus477 |
~http://upload.snelhest.org/images/090725drawing.png |
| 14:28 |
lazarus477 |
There is a URL to a bitmap rendering of the SVG drawing. |
| 14:28 |
lazarus477 |
Never before done anything like it, that big, that complex. |
| 14:28 |
timdeluxe |
cool |
| 14:28 |
lazarus477 |
Yep |
| 14:28 |
timdeluxe |
you made that out of a photo? |
| 14:29 |
lazarus477 |
Even got remarks that it looked better than the digital photo of the original car which the drawing is a replica of, hehe. |
| 14:29 |
lazarus477 |
I cannot draw worth jack, on paper. |
| 14:29 |
lazarus477 |
But I can get around 3D modeling and 2D drawing. |
| 14:29 |
timdeluxe |
may i give you a little idea for improvement? |
| 14:29 |
lazarus477 |
Yes please |
| 14:29 |
lazarus477 |
I am all ears |
| 14:30 |
timdeluxe |
the logo destroys the 3d effect a little |
| 14:30 |
timdeluxe |
you need to make it more perspective |
| 14:30 |
lazarus477 |
I agree! |
| 14:30 |
lazarus477 |
I tried too |
| 14:30 |
timdeluxe |
it has to be smaller at the right end |
| 14:31 |
lazarus477 |
It would require a lot of hand editing of the vector nodes. The problem is inkscape is not fully developed and lacks perspective manipulation tools. |
| 14:31 |
timdeluxe |
ah i see |
| 14:31 |
lazarus477 |
A solution would be to leave the logo out in the vector drawing. Do a rendering and add the logo using Gimp and there add perspective. |
| 14:31 |
timdeluxe |
yep |
| 14:31 |
lazarus477 |
The main reason for that logo was to replace another text found on the side of the original car. |
| 14:32 |
timdeluxe |
or use a better vector programm |
| 14:32 |
lazarus477 |
Kinda a personal joke between mates. I drew it up for a friends site. |
| 14:32 |
lazarus477 |
Possible |
| 14:32 |
lazarus477 |
I stick to open source and try to find ways of using it. I cut corners when the software apps fall short :-) |
| 14:32 |
lazarus477 |
hehe |
| 14:32 |
timdeluxe |
(i dont know any except corel draw 3 (!) ;D) |
| 14:32 |
lazarus477 |
Yea I heard of it. |
| 14:33 |
lazarus477 |
Oh yea but back to what you mentioned, being at the stage I am at with making a site. |
| 14:33 |
timdeluxe |
ah yep |
| 14:33 |
lazarus477 |
I think this prototyping/wireframing stuff is really usefull, helpful, timesaving. |
| 14:33 |
lazarus477 |
In the zip file I downloaded from 960.de I found this pdf doc containing templates for doing mockups/wireframes. |
| 14:34 |
timdeluxe |
my problem is: i understand how html/css work, but i fail at placing stuff where i want it to |
| 14:34 |
lazarus477 |
Simply print and pick up a pencil and start mocking about :-) |
| 14:34 |
timdeluxe |
yep that is an idea |
| 14:34 |
timdeluxe |
my problem is more to get it "converted" to real html/css |
| 14:34 |
lazarus477 |
You mean you cannot get page elements positioned properly or, you do not know what to put where? |
| 14:35 |
timdeluxe |
first one |
| 14:35 |
timdeluxe |
i mean... i know the basics of the box model |
| 14:35 |
lazarus477 |
Well that is a technichal problem |
| 14:35 |
timdeluxe |
yep |
| 14:35 |
timdeluxe |
needs learning :) |
| 14:36 |
lazarus477 |
So you are using templavoila? |
| 14:36 |
timdeluxe |
a bit |
| 14:36 |
lazarus477 |
Ok |
| 14:37 |
timdeluxe |
i read about it and i got the basic idea behind |
| 14:37 |
lazarus477 |
Well if using typo3 with or without templavoila I would first make a template with some test content and make sure the code produces the correct results. |
| 14:37 |
timdeluxe |
but never made a page completely with it |
| 14:37 |
lazarus477 |
Then after which I would turn it into a typo3 template. |
| 14:37 |
timdeluxe |
yeah, thats the correct way |
| 14:37 |
timdeluxe |
you need a complete html/css example page before starting |
| 14:38 |
lazarus477 |
To be honest. I have yet only used the basic templates from the default install of typo3, slightly customised. |
| 14:38 |
timdeluxe |
i just the yaml template which hardphuck mentioned earlier |
| 14:38 |
timdeluxe |
+ customized it a bit |
| 14:38 |
lazarus477 |
I studied, installed and used typo3 all in a day. Now two years later I am back to finishg what I once started, lol. |
| 14:38 |
timdeluxe |
just=used |
| 14:39 |
timdeluxe |
hrhr |
| 14:42 |
timdeluxe |
btw: do you mantain your typo3 installations completely by yourself? |
| 15:02 |
lazarus477 |
timdeluxe: Sorry, got a phone call. |
| 15:02 |
lazarus477 |
timdeluxe: Yes I do. |
| 15:02 |
timdeluxe |
no problem |
| 15:02 |
lazarus477 |
I got it up at a webhosting service but plan to move it in-house onto a virtual machine setup as a web server, runs apache. |
| 15:03 |
timdeluxe |
did you ever get the nice text rendering completely working? i mean the part in the install tool with the reference images to compate |
| 15:03 |
lazarus477 |
I do not quite remember if I even made use of that. |
| 15:04 |
lazarus477 |
I do remember setting up imagemagic (lucky for me the hosting service had it installed). |
| 15:04 |
lazarus477 |
I think it was used by something on my site, not quite sure though. |
| 15:05 |
timdeluxe |
yeah, you do not need the nicetext part everytime, but i want a full working installation to know how to achieve that if i ever will need it |
| 15:05 |
timdeluxe |
gifbuilder makes use of it if you have graphical menus |
| 15:06 |
lazarus477 |
Well one reason I want typo3 on a private server is so I can be in full control over what apps I get to have. |
| 15:06 |
timdeluxe |
yep i do it like that |
| 15:07 |
timdeluxe |
i own a dedicated server |
| 15:07 |
lazarus477 |
Also I need an intranet site for my home office and figure I will make use of typo3 there as well. |
| 15:07 |
lazarus477 |
Me too. Got an old Dell PE4400, a real work horse. |
| 15:08 |
timdeluxe |
you need a intranet site for your one person (?) home office? ;D |
| 15:08 |
lazarus477 |
Yep |
| 15:08 |
lazarus477 |
Well we are two |
| 15:08 |
lazarus477 |
I do the tech stuff the partner handles finances and administration (my wife owns me). |
| 15:08 |
timdeluxe |
i am schizophrenic - i am too |
| 15:08 |
timdeluxe |
;) |
| 15:08 |
lazarus477 |
hehe |
| 15:09 |
timdeluxe |
ok, understood it |
| 15:09 |
lazarus477 |
Na, not a schitzo, the partner is my wife. |
| 15:09 |
lazarus477 |
She used to work for Bearsterns, till I snatched her, they tried to snatch me first but I said no. |
| 15:10 |
timdeluxe |
yes yes... it was just a joke |
| 15:10 |
timdeluxe |
hrhr |
| 15:10 |
lazarus477 |
That makes 2 geeat job opertunities which I have put in the bin during my lifetime (age 30)... |
| 15:10 |
lazarus477 |
geeat = great. |
| 15:11 |
lazarus477 |
But yes even for a small business of one or two I have use for an intranet. |
| 15:11 |
timdeluxe |
dont know bearsterns... which country? |
| 15:11 |
lazarus477 |
I do so many things and would like to tie it together with a private cloud. |
| 15:11 |
lazarus477 |
brearsterns is a large investment firm in the USA. |
| 15:11 |
timdeluxe |
a... far away |
| 15:12 |
lazarus477 |
Yup |
| 15:12 |
timdeluxe |
a=ah |
| 15:12 |
lazarus477 |
But they have offices in several countries, as I understand. She worked at their Beijing office. |
| 15:12 |
lazarus477 |
She was the bosses right arm, now she is my right hand... |
| 15:13 |
timdeluxe |
then you still have to work to get the arm too *G* |
| 15:13 |
lazarus477 |
Yea, lol. |
| 15:13 |
lazarus477 |
Hey I got a great idea. I should make a porn site and sell left-handed computer mice and keyboards, lol. |
| 15:14 |
timdeluxe |
hrhr |
| 15:14 |
timdeluxe |
but what is the difference of a left hand keyboard to a right hand keyboard? |
| 15:14 |
timdeluxe |
:) |
| 15:15 |
lazarus477 |
Well the shape of the mouse is different to accomidate the left hand and the mouse buttons are switched. |
| 15:15 |
timdeluxe |
and nearly every mice can be used with the left hand too, at least mine is able of that |
| 15:15 |
lazarus477 |
The keyboard has a different layout. |
| 15:16 |
timdeluxe |
a after googling i jnow what you mean |
| 15:16 |
timdeluxe |
jnow=know |
| 15:16 |
lazarus477 |
Hehehe |
| 15:16 |
lazarus477 |
Well it was a silly idea ment as a joke, darned funny though, haha. |
| 15:17 |
timdeluxe |
could work, try it! ;D |
| 15:18 |
timdeluxe |
anyway, i need to take quick shower now... see you later |
| 15:20 |
lazarus477 |
Ta ta |
| 15:43 |
timdeluxe |
lazarus477: what means "ta ta"? |
| 15:59 |
lazarus477 |
Ta ta is how the british people say "see you later". |
| 16:00 |
lazarus477 |
About to become busy for a while. Got to helpout a Mac user, eeek. |
| 16:00 |
lazarus477 |
Doctors and their use of computers, ugh. |
| 16:03 |
timdeluxe |
never used a mac, but i know many people think of it as THE solution |
| 16:04 |
timdeluxe |
perhaps it is good, but i always have this in mind: "don't believe the hype" ;) |
| 16:38 |
lazarus477 |
Hehehe |
| 16:38 |
lazarus477 |
Yes Mac is a hype but also a good tool. |
| 16:38 |
lazarus477 |
To me a Mac is like a polished version of Linux where things work more or less as expected. |
| 16:38 |
lazarus477 |
But being the tech geek that I am I prefer Linux due to the technichal freedom of the system. |
| 16:39 |
lazarus477 |
But if I get stuck in this WebDev business and make a regular habit of it I might find myself later on on a Mac or Windows computer forced to use Adobe's all mighty apps... |
| 16:50 |
timdeluxe |
i think i have to throw a look at it when xp support ends... before that i am too lazy :) |
| 16:53 |
lazarus477 |
Well I personally have nothing personal against Macs, they do what they should, but yes they are hyped. |
| 16:53 |
lazarus477 |
They are I am sure great tools. |
| 16:53 |
lazarus477 |
And anything which gives me a sanctuary away from the world of viruses is welcome. |
| 16:54 |
lazarus477 |
Since Mac is based on Darwin which is a BSD Unix derivative, I can use it :-) |
| 17:01 |
ries |
timdeluxe: Actually a mac is pretty good, I never did hear anybody say about 'THE' solution.... but it works very good to my... compared to a Dell lapto and windows XP.... |
| 17:02 |
ries |
lazarus477: I think it's partly a hype, however peopel that own a mac for +2 years know for sure that for them it's not a hype (anymore)... |
| 17:02 |
ries |
I currently have some decent tools I couldn't find on windows and on Linux (CSS Edit for example) |
| 17:03 |
ries |
That said, I do use a lot of open source technologies on the MAC, netBeans, Eclipse, Apache, PHP, java, Adium, neoOffice |
| 17:04 |
timdeluxe |
perhaps this "hype" comes just because it is a good product |
| 17:04 |
ries |
The main reasons for a mac for me are a) outstanding hardware (I have a iMac, alu macBook and a macBook air) |
| 17:04 |
timdeluxe |
i should try it... but not now... |
| 17:04 |
ries |
no fans running around like Dell/PC hardware!!!! |
| 17:05 |
ries |
Second... I like OSX, but that more because I don't have to work/fiddle around in the registry and the bullshit of 'safety tools' |
| 17:13 |
timdeluxe |
the loudest thing in my samsung is the harddisk |
| 17:13 |
lazarus477 |
I am a ThinkPad fan myself. |
| 17:13 |
lazarus477 |
Like the hardware and ease of maintanence combined with a darned good warenty service. |
| 17:14 |
lazarus477 |
And yes, these thinkpads are all black through and through but I simply cannot bring myself to trust a spray painted shiny plastic surface, lol. |
| 17:15 |
lazarus477 |
I do like the more expensive professional Mac models, they are nice. |
| 17:16 |
timdeluxe |
the good old ibm thinkpads are ugly looking but robust as hell... since lenovo is working on it, they are still good, but not as good as they have been |
| 17:16 |
lazarus477 |
I agree |
| 17:17 |
timdeluxe |
in my company they used them a long time and four years ago they decided to change to HP |
| 17:17 |
lazarus477 |
I got an IBM X40 and a Lenovo T61. |
| 17:17 |
timdeluxe |
i was the first one to get a HP :( |
| 17:17 |
lazarus477 |
But ever since Stargate Atlantis aired I have become more turned onto Dell laptops, lol. |
| 17:18 |
lazarus477 |
Ever tried out a Panasonic ToughBook? |
| 17:19 |
ries |
timdeluxe: lazarus477 the IMB machines are indeed good.... if you like it rough around the edges :) |
| 17:19 |
lazarus477 |
I does |
| 17:19 |
ries |
My problem would still be Windows.... or go to Linux... But linux in my experience of a couple of years ago wasn't that good on laptops, properly this has been changed |
| 17:20 |
lazarus477 |
My hobby is fixing mopeds, I like rough tough machines. |
| 17:20 |
ries |
First Linux kernel I worked with was the 0.99.xx series.... I tried laptops with 2.0 and 2.2 kernels... I didn't use the 1.xx kernels to much |
| 17:21 |
lazarus477 |
ries: I made a conceous switch to Linux soon three years ago, forcing myself to stay off the Windows machines in order to learn linux properly. |
| 17:21 |
lazarus477 |
It paid off. |
| 17:21 |
lazarus477 |
Now I use Windows & Linux side by side, each complement eachother whenever shortcommings pop up. |
| 17:21 |
lazarus477 |
I rairly need windows these days. |
| 17:22 |
lazarus477 |
But should I ever start using Adobe software for flash content or similar I will be forced to use Mac or Windows unless a quad core and a VM can bridge the gap. |
| 17:22 |
ries |
lazarus477: I know... I use Linux exclusivly on servers, but on my desktop it's a bit of a different ballgame |
| 17:23 |
lazarus477 |
I used Linux on laptops from the very beginning, it sure ain't perfect but it does work well. |
| 17:23 |
ries |
lazarus477: you could program flash in flex... they have linux compiler and version aswell..... |
| 17:23 |
lazarus477 |
I can go wireless, hibernate, sleep, etc. |
| 17:23 |
lazarus477 |
My best experience was when using Debian. |
| 17:23 |
ries |
that doesn't work in my time really well ;) |
| 17:24 |
lazarus477 |
OpenSUSE has some serious crap under the hood, yea still use it though but due to KDE4 and some other nice features. |
| 17:24 |
lazarus477 |
I started with Gentoo, worked great but was way to combersome when it came to installing software and customizing. |
| 17:25 |
timdeluxe |
i unfortunately have to use sles (enterprise version of opensuse) at work |
| 17:25 |
timdeluxe |
but it is okay if you understood how suse thinks :) |
| 17:25 |
timdeluxe |
the bad taste now comes from novell, who try to built all their tools in it |
| 17:27 |
lazarus477 |
Yup |
| 17:28 |
ries |
I find myself writing software more happy then being a sys-admin.... |
| 17:32 |
timdeluxe |
i am on the way to that, but getting a good developer is difficult :/ |
| 17:34 |
lazarus477 |
I themed a UIQ3 ericsson smart phone using inkscape! Wee! |
| 17:34 |
lazarus477 |
Only two phones in the world run the theme, one is mine, naturally. |
| 17:45 |
xeryus_xeryus |
hi |
| 17:45 |
xeryus_xeryus |
is anybody there |
| 17:47 |
timdeluxe |
no ;) |
| 17:47 |
xeryus_xeryus |
yes i see |
| 17:47 |
xeryus_xeryus |
:) |
| 17:48 |
xeryus_xeryus |
ok then |
| 17:48 |
xeryus_xeryus |
i will go |
| 17:48 |
xeryus_xeryus |
is there anybody who speeks turkish |
| 17:48 |
xeryus_xeryus |
?? |
| 17:48 |
xeryus_xeryus |
coz i try to build up a group in turkey to spread typo3 in turkey |
| 17:50 |
xeryus_xeryus |
nobodyr there ok |
| 17:50 |
xeryus_xeryus |
c ya later guys |
| 20:26 |
skurfuerst |
good evening everybody :) |
