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00:18 uriahheep is there a typo3 extension which allows one to create a database / html table of data, which can be sorted by whatever column one wants, and which can have items be added to it by front-end users?
09:03 kraftb good morning 1
09:03 kraftb !
09:05 sorenmalling Morning
09:05 maholtz|WORK morning
09:27 fuchur mornin has broooooooooken ....
09:39 randomresult 01
10:25 anonissimus morning
10:25 anonissimus are there any known issues with typo3 and IE8 compatibility mode
10:26 anonissimus using 4.1.3
10:26 Provito anonissimus, like what?
10:26 fuchur mh, 4.1.3 is in noe means actual anymore
10:26 anonissimus http://www.ctrlcrew.be/index.php?id=wat-doen-we
10:26 anonissimus if you look at that without compatibility mode the layout is pretty messed up
10:27 Provito that's nothing to do particularly with typo3
10:27 randomresult 01
10:27 anonissimus if you enable it it is clear
10:27 randomresult 01
10:27 Provito rather with your html and css
10:27 anonissimus I made a new version of that weeding out all the crap, and I still got the same
10:27 Provito I'd also recommend you upgrade your engine to the latest stable version as soon as possible
10:27 anonissimus will give that a try first
10:28 Provito anonissimus, work directly with the html and css without typo3 and get the design right first before involving the cms
10:28 Provito as this is a front end issue this is not a cms one
10:29 anonissimus right
10:30 randomresult 01
10:31 fuchur mh
10:31 fuchur am i the only one who cannot read what randomresult is tryin to tell us? ^^
10:32 ZaFantasy where I can define which config variables can be defined in TS for my extension ?
10:32 fuchur ZaFantasy hi, nice to meet you too
10:32 Provito fuchur, I can't read it either
10:33 fuchur Provito ok ... thanks
10:33 Provito /dev/random > /dev/null it seems
10:33 fuchur ^^
10:33 randomresult 01
10:33 fuchur mh
10:33 fuchur strange ;)
10:33 randomresult 01
10:39 ZaFantasy fuchur hi :)
10:41 F_aw hi all
10:42 Fitti It is possible to render manual.sxw to html like TER it would do ? (debian)
10:43 randomresult hi
10:43 randomresult can u see me now?
10:43 Fitti yes we see you now
10:43 randomresult puh...
10:43 randomresult new proggie... :)
10:43 randomresult so, i search for an extension for kind of an index... i have round about 250 words and descriptions
10:44 randomresult i want a list of words (A-Z) and on a click of one of these words i want to open a new page with the description of that word... any ideas?
10:47 randomresult i looked for glossary-Ext and Index-Ext but... found none really helpful
10:50 pmk65 Fitti: you can install the same ext as used on TER. -> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/ter_doc/current/
10:51 pmk65 randomresult> This one http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/sg_glossary/current/ and this one http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/a21glossary/current/ are pretty good.
10:51 randomresult which one would u prefer?
10:51 pmk65 I have mostly used the last one.
10:51 Fitti pmk65:thx i will try
10:51 randomresult as i said... i need a list of words and a detailpage to display them (with realurl if possible)
10:52 randomresult ok
10:52 randomresult i will check it out
10:54 randomresult pmk65: with the extension that extents the output?
11:06 fuchur mh, i want to build a pdf-output in t3 and i'm just thinking about caching
11:06 fuchur i think it's would be best to let t3 cache the output and just delete cache for the page if something changed
11:06 Fitti pmk65:this extension (ter_doc) needs to install a local TER first
11:08 Fitti Someone knows where to find a howto for setting up a local TER ?
11:08 randomresult pmk65: did u ever manage to show only the words and then on click the description?
11:10 pmk65 randomresult> it's been a while since I last used it, so I don't really remember how I had it setup/configured. And I think it has been improved a lot since then.
11:10 randomresult ok ... ill have a look in the ext
11:10 randomresult thx
11:14 pmk65 Fitti: sxw files are .zip archives, so you could build your own parser (or rip the one from ter_doc)
11:14 pmk65 There's a java snippet for converting sxw files in the openoffice forum -> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=21032
11:15 pmk65 and a lot of links for converting here -> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=19253
11:16 Fitti java is not my home. i just started to read render-documents_cli.php
11:17 Fitti is to install openoffice on the server a requirement for this rendering ?
11:29 pmk65 Fitti: I think so.
11:31 Fitti mhhh :-(
11:44 flipmoe hi
11:45 flipmoe can i change lets say a select input into a radio input(TCA) through a hook?
11:51 fuchur mh i got page id=12
11:51 fuchur in the right col i got two content elements
11:51 fuchur i want the right col of page id=12 to be displayed on all pages
11:51 fuchur someone got the TS for this spontanous? :)
11:53 ZaFantasy where I can define which config variables can be defined in TS for my extension ?
12:00 phil1 fuchur: try content.get.right and a where clause in the select statement : http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_core_tsref/4.2.1/view/1/8/#id4379496
12:01 phil1 ZaFantasy: there is a static file... just look into other extensions
12:01 fuchur isn't there anything like page.10 < styles.get.contentRight
12:01 fuchur page.10.pid = 13
12:01 fuchur or something like this :D
12:08 state hey :) is it posible to call a php script after submitting a form under lists in the backend?
12:27 phil1 state: use the hooks :P
12:27 pmk65 fuchur: use a RECORDS object.
12:30 pmk65 state: the hook "processDatamapClass" is called whenever data is created/updated/deleted in the BE.
12:31 fuchur pmk65 thank :D
12:31 fuchur did it allready
12:31 state ok thx phil1 and pmk65 :-) i'll google the details :)
12:33 pmk65 state> As an example, you can take a look at one of my ext that uses that hook. -> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/pmkautokeywords/current/
12:39 fuchur men ... using iso for frontend encoding and utf-8 for language.xml, does that make sense?
12:40 fuchur why do we not use a standard encoding all along
12:48 pmk65 fuchur: best solution is to run utf8 for everything. specially the DB.
12:53 Gunjubas re all
12:53 fuchur pmk65 most of the time that is not my descission ;)
12:53 fuchur if the customer already runs iso there nothing i can do
12:53 fuchur and i can't use iso in my language.xml, can i?
12:57 pmk65 no. lang files are always utf8. otherwise its not possible to have non latin charset.
13:53 bluespuke hello
13:54 bluespuke someone knows how to make the title in tt_news as a mandatory field?
13:57 maholtz|WORK @bluespuke: TCA
13:58 maholtz|WORK you know how to change the TCA?
13:58 bluespuke not yet xD
14:07 bluespuke hmmm, should be $TCA['tt_news']['columns']['title']['config'] in extTables.php?
14:26 pmk65 bluespuke> Install this -> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/tcamanipulate/current/
14:26 pmk65 then you can do TCA modifications from TSConfig.
14:30 bluespuke pmk65: looks pretty cool, but the manual is kinda thin...
14:33 pmk65 i think this should make the title field required using the above ext.
14:33 pmk65 TCA.tt_news.columns.title.config.eval = required
14:40 bluespuke pmk65: ty, works like a charm now :p
14:49 pmk65 F_aw: If you just want to have your TYPO3 manuals in a different format that Open Office, you can use ZamZar to convert them to doc,pdf etc.
14:50 pmk65 1) Rename the manual from .sxw to .odt 2) Upload the manual on www.zamzar.com, and select what format you want it conveted to..
14:52 vllamas hi
14:58 tommybergeron Hi
14:58 tommybergeron I'd need some help to decide on something.
14:58 Denjerek don't do it!
14:59 tommybergeron I have a block, with a list of links. And I'd like to build something to modify the links.
15:00 tommybergeron Clients don't understand HTML, so is it better to make it a simple textzone, or there's a way of creating somekind of interface for this?
15:09 pmk65 tommybergeron: Are you using TemplaVoila or old style rendering?
15:09 pmk65 If you are using TemplaVoila you could create a FCE element.
15:13 Georges_Abitbol How do I change page title in extension. My current page title is present in $GLOBALS['TSFE']->page['title'] but chagning this value does not change the title dynamically .
15:13 Georges_Abitbol any idea ?
15:27 pmk65 Georges_Abitbol: Use Typoscript.
15:28 Georges_Abitbol pmk65: in my extension ?
15:28 pmk65 config.titleTagFunction = yourphpfunction
15:28 pmk65 Passes the default <title>-tag content to this function. No typoScript parameters are passed though.
15:29 Georges_Abitbol pmk65: there is no other way to do it in my extension directly ? thx anyway
15:30 pmk65 it depends on when your ext output is rendered. if its a fe plugin, then I don't think its possible to change page header data
15:30 Georges_Abitbol pmk65: yeah, unfortunately, it is a fe plugin.
15:31 Georges_Abitbol I'll do the ts way so
15:31 Georges_Abitbol thx
15:32 Gunjubas addmask
15:33 SEBAR Hi everybody. I have a problem with backend, image thumbnails are generated in the typo3temp folder but instead of the thumbnails I can only see the default icons of the image type in the backend
15:33 SEBAR Any ideas?
15:34 SEBAR I have the following configuration $TYPO3_CONF_VARS['GFX']['thumbnails'] = 1;
15:39 HardPhuck anyone using realty extension?
15:39 HardPhuck i'm having some problems with custom fields in list view
15:39 HardPhuck author didn't think someone would want individual fields displayed :S
15:40 HardPhuck he obviously didn't read Dmitry's book :)
15:40 tommybergeron Hi, is this possible to put PHP into a templavoila template?
15:43 HardPhuck no
15:44 tommybergeron Hum... okay
15:49 tommybergeron Really... what do you like about that thing?
15:49 HardPhuck like about what?
15:49 tommybergeron Typo3
15:51 tommybergeron Slow, buggy, way overcomplicated for what it does. A base knowledge of PHP and a easy to learn framework like CodeIgniter would be easier to learn/use...
15:51 SEBAR The problem is not Typo3, and you can use php in TV templates it is just a little bit tricky. The problem is that is very difficult to get some informations on how to use this CMS in a profesional way
15:51 tommybergeron Totally agree with you SEBAR.
15:52 tommybergeron The only way of getting real help is to pay for pros...
15:52 tommybergeron If not, then you'll end up with no good forums, etc.
15:52 HardPhuck buggy? not. everything else, yes
15:52 maholtz|WORK what is wrong with paying for pros?
15:52 tommybergeron I found a LOT of bugs.
15:53 tommybergeron Hey, I'm a freakin analyst programmer. I should be able to learn things the right way.
15:53 tommybergeron I don't need no pros.
15:53 tommybergeron Cross-browser compatibility sucks a LOT.
15:53 HardPhuck tommybergeron: and not complicated for what it does, if you want a light framework you should choose something else
15:53 tommybergeron I did not choose it lol
15:54 tommybergeron It's my job, to bother with it.
15:54 HardPhuck :)
15:54 maholtz|WORK which browser does not work?
15:54 tommybergeron Usually for PHP I use symfony.
15:54 maholtz|WORK with the backend?
15:54 tommybergeron Yep, backend. Safari and Firefox on Mac have a lot of problems.
15:54 HardPhuck tommybergeron: i'm using FF on Mac for 2 years now, never had a problem with TYPO3
15:54 pmk65 tommybergeron> you can create fields of the type "user" in your TV. then you can control the output using PHP.
15:55 tommybergeron And there's too much images in the backend, and there's should be batch actions, and a little more ajax so it could be a lot friendlier.
15:55 tommybergeron pmk65: Do you have any doc about that?
15:55 HardPhuck on that one i agree
15:55 tommybergeron Sounds interesting.
15:56 HardPhuck TYPO3 is heavily outdated,... we all hope 5.0 will come soon :)
15:56 pmk65 Here's an example I wrote for the TV mailinglist -> http://lists.typo3.org/pipermail/typo3-project-templavoila/2009-October/004298.html
15:56 tommybergeron If you use, for instance a FF without caching, it reloads all the frames and crap on every click....
15:56 maholtz|WORK @tommybergeron: http://t3uxw09.typo3.org/
15:56 maholtz|WORK they are working on usability
15:56 tommybergeron Thanks for your links
15:56 jbaptiste_j My biggest peeve about typo3 is that when you are working on a large site with people involved in the workflow who are not computer savvy, the workflow is hardly usable and the email notifications are more anoying than actually helpfull, I managed to translate then into French but not to incluide a direct link to the submitted pages
15:56 tommybergeron That's one MAJOR point, nice to hear that
15:57 maholtz|WORK @jbaptiste_j: you are talking about workspaces?
15:57 tommybergeron jbaptiste_j: exactly, I had to teach how to use the backend to a group of 20 people and I got soooooooooo many questions... "Normal" people does not understand that kind of backend..
15:57 Guest53690 Should indexed_search index tt_news records out of the box?
15:57 jbaptiste_j yes workspaces
15:57 tommybergeron jbaptiste_j: I had a lot of troubles with english issues as well. (I translated a lot of stuff to french too)
15:58 jbaptiste_j there are ways to customize the BE and make it more usable, just I haven't yet found any time to really tackle that
15:58 HardPhuck tommybergeron: that's what ACLs are for... al my clients see just the fields they are supposed to see
15:58 Guest53690 I've added page.config.index_enable to the setup, without any results as of yet
15:59 HardPhuck none of my clients said it was complicated because i hide everything from them
15:59 tommybergeron ACL?
15:59 HardPhuck Guest53690: browse all pages, they need to be indexed first
15:59 HardPhuck tommybergeron: access control list
15:59 tommybergeron ahh ok
15:59 HardPhuck when you edit BE group you can see them by checking a tick box
15:59 maholtz|WORK for an quick test, how TYPO3 looks like, you could create an demo account at http://www.typo3-fuer-redakteure.de/typo3-demo-account.html it is not perfect, but imho ok
16:01 Guest53690 HardPhuck: You are right, clients usually tackle things with training without too much trouble - But the UI and its usability is still dubious. Confusion comes easily. Tasks are harder to do than they should be.
16:01 Guest53690 These are some of the things me and my customers have noted
16:02 HardPhuck i know,.. to be honest i try to avoid TYPO3 if possible, but some things it's still the right tool
16:02 pmk65 It's better to use TSConfig to hide fields rather than ACL. using the ACl you are not 100% sure you have selected the correct fields.
16:03 fred^^ HardPhuck: Actually it never indexed the article itself even though all sites was indexed
16:03 HardPhuck pmk65: i always check everything manually
16:03 jbaptiste_j There should be a workflow for dummies where you receive a mail with link to a page that displays a proposed change and you can check "accept" "refuse" or "edit (in frontend)"
16:03 fred^^ Yeah, pmk65, thats right - The way ACL works is very bad
16:03 HardPhuck it never let me down
16:03 fred^^ But who's excited for the new T3 5.0 UI sketches? I know I am, wohoo!
16:04 phil1 me too
16:04 HardPhuck i'm not, because i know it'll be 2 years before the thing is out
16:04 fred^^ HardPhuck: Sometimes its missing fields - Naming convention are bad - The usability of that damn select box is aweful. (I hate it)
16:04 fred^^ Yes, I am still excited though
16:04 pmk65 if you use TSConfig to hide/disable fields, you can reuse that setup on other sites too. (Something not possible if you use the ACL)
16:04 fred^^ It means they are spending actual time and focus on rethinking the way typo3 works
16:04 pmk65 Then you just create something like this -> http://paste.phlogi.net/-7117d5392f/
16:05 fred^^ pmk65: That is great - I've never done that before
16:05 HardPhuck fred^^: i don't get money by thinking :)
16:06 HardPhuck in fact, scratch that
16:06 HardPhuck i do get money by thinking :D
16:07 HardPhuck i'll see what the new Expression Engine gives us, maybe i'll give it a try
16:07 HardPhuck the only problem with codeigniter is that it doesn't have an ORM layer
16:07 fred^^ EE is one of the main reasons i am welcoming a change of direction for Typo3
16:08 fred^^ It seems 5.0 will allow us to use data somewhat in the same flexible way that EE does ?
16:08 HardPhuck i surely hope so
16:08 Denjerek Typo3 is rather long in the tooth now it seems?
16:09 Denjerek Compared to some of the newer more "agile" (in every sense) systems.
16:09 Denjerek Though that could all be down to good marketting.
16:10 HardPhuck what i don't understand is, why CMS coders want to provide a point and click solution, i mean every serious web developer knows at least some code
16:11 HardPhuck i would prefer to use php instead TS
16:11 fred^^ HardPhuck: Hmm, what do you mean by point and click?
16:11 fred^^ As in, everything is setup automaticly?
16:12 Denjerek TS is hardly point and click... :)
16:12 HardPhuck you don't have to write code
16:12 fred^^ Or, a GUI for everything?
16:12 fred^^ Okay
16:12 Denjerek Sometimes I think TS is like the WindowsRegistry
16:12 fred^^ Well, I do think that have its use as well
16:12 Denjerek A good idea for the things it was originally intended for, but it got abused
16:12 HardPhuck bah, i don't TS are just arrays written in a different syntax
16:13 fred^^ For easy sites, something like Unify (http://unify.unitinteractive.com/) is very costeffective - And perfect for that type of client
16:14 fred^^ Well, that's what I am thinking anyway - We only use Typo3 in production
16:14 HardPhuck and all the crappy extensions out there...take all the lightboxes for example...millions of lightbox extensions...for what? you can include a CDN javascript and set images to have some class...
16:16 HardPhuck and then i install an extension which requires mootools, then anotherone that requires dojo, another that requires 'put-your-favourite-js-lib'
16:16 HardPhuck and end up with 5 javacript files on every page, and they are meant to do the same thing
16:16 HardPhuck such an overkill
16:17 HardPhuck well,... that isn't TYPO3's fault really, it's the community
16:17 HardPhuck and a lot of self-proclaimed pro's
16:18 Denjerek do you have a solution/alternative?
16:19 HardPhuck for lighbox?
16:19 HardPhuck yea, the solution would be for TYPO3 association to put some directions for people
16:20 HardPhuck we only have CGL, but they are poor
16:20 HardPhuck and even core team doesn't agree about them
16:20 HardPhuck the association is way too passive on the matter
16:20 HardPhuck look ther website
16:20 HardPhuck it's invalid
16:21 HardPhuck it's like bmw would be selling crashed cars
16:22 fred^^ I agree on the quality
16:22 fred^^ Look at the general quality of Expression Engine - With passionate ext. developers and a great community
16:22 Denjerek I bet EE has a forum.... *cough*
16:22 fred^^ And can someone answer me why we are still using newslists?
16:23 fred^^ Haha, yes, Denjerek ..
16:23 fred^^ : D'
16:23 elmargol forums are ugly
16:23 fred^^ elmargol: Define ugly?
16:23 fred^^ They have their faults
16:23 fred^^ But you might agree that they works much better than newslists?
16:24 elmargol You have to register. you have to visit the forum... you have to learn a new UI every * time you use a forum
16:24 maholtz|WORK +1 for newslists:)
16:24 HardPhuck EE actually has a great forum, where developers devote their time to respond
16:24 elmargol email just works
16:24 maholtz|WORK newslists are fast, easy you can use the client of your choice
16:25 Denjerek newslists keep people away
16:25 HardPhuck yup
16:25 fred^^ Newslists keep people away
16:25 Denjerek Ideally Typo3 would have boh
16:25 Denjerek Buuuuuuuuuuuuut
16:25 maholtz|WORK yep
16:25 Denjerek We'll see Satan ice-skating to work before that happens
16:25 elmargol Ideally you have a forum that shows a mailinglist
16:25 HardPhuck and every 10th post in news list is actually usable
16:25 maholtz|WORK i would love an forum on typo3.org too
16:25 elmargol and you can use both in sync
16:25 fred^^ I hope they take a entirely different direction on that point as well
16:25 maholtz|WORK @elmargol: that exists
16:25 fred^^ I hope we'll see a far more including community
16:25 Denjerek I dunno.
16:26 Denjerek The org team is very slow
16:26 Denjerek I tried to join it
16:26 elmargol mac3, gmane.org...
16:26 Denjerek about 5 months ago
16:26 Denjerek still no progress
16:26 HardPhuck Denjerek: really?
16:26 Denjerek yeah
16:26 fred^^ If you think of the T3 GUI today - It was made by programmers, for programmers, and it shows
16:26 elmargol mac3, sorry :) wrong tab :)
16:26 Denjerek Of course, that was back when I had laods of free time
16:26 maholtz|WORK @Denjerek: send a mail to (obscured mail address) for such things
16:26 Denjerek now I do not, so can no longer help.
16:26 Denjerek maholtz|WORK: I was talking to Razmus
16:26 Denjerek then he simply vanished
16:26 Denjerek now I no longer have any free time
16:26 elmargol maholtz|WORK, are you talking about gmane.org ?
16:27 maholtz|WORK @elmargol: nope about the frontend for newslists..
16:27 maholtz|WORK but well, it is offline
16:27 elmargol Maybe google wave solves this
16:27 Denjerek HardPhuck: Voidus did
16:27 Denjerek he liked it a lto
16:27 Denjerek *lot
16:28 HardPhuck because every kid around here thinks he owns php, nobody appreciates work with php anymore
16:29 ssc hi, all
16:29 ssc In my TypoScript I have this string: "pic1.gif,pic2.gif,pic3.gif,pic4.jpg" - how can I splitt this string and render the 4 image-elements ?
16:30 Denjerek HardPhuck: unfortunate but true
16:30 Denjerek PHP is as good as any other language, but because it has the reputation of being "The kids language" it's hard to get someone to respect it
16:30 Denjerek Even though Flikr, Facebook and countless other massive apps run on it.
16:31 HardPhuck yes, but only because they were started as such
16:31 HardPhuck if i had a great idea for something big, php would not be my first choice
16:32 Denjerek What would be?
16:32 Denjerek c# ?
16:32 elmargol python
16:32 HardPhuck python, yes
16:32 Denjerek I know nothing of Python
16:32 Denjerek at all.
16:32 HardPhuck half the code for the same result
16:32 Denjerek beyond the fact it exists, and it complains about whitespace
16:32 HardPhuck compared to php
16:33 HardPhuck i'm made an app in RoR once, quite nice too
16:33 tommybergeron RoR rocks
16:34 tommybergeron Hey, I'd like to create a block with links on every pages of a project. Links must be editable. But I can't make a raw html, or text thing...
16:34 HardPhuck anyways i need a smoke :)
16:34 tommybergeron You told me about FCE, but is there any kind of guide for it?
17:36 anonissimus erm... can anyone explain me why I get layout issues on a table with typo3 on IE8 in non compatibility mode
18:20 nkuttler anonissimus: try asking in #css
19:15 pulponair hi
19:29 miousse hi
19:46 Milan Hello
19:47 mysob Could someone gimme a help with a typo problem?
19:48 Gunjubas typo u problem here...maby u lucky
19:49 mysob It looks like the libXML bug reported on http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=9359
19:50 mysob I downgraded libxml to 2.6.32 but some extentions still show this: Displaying results 1 to 2/span out of 2/span
19:50 mysob without the "<" ">"
19:51 mysob And the PHP versions is 5.2.11
22:31 Gunjubas hi all

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