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00:01 timdeluxe yeah ok, now i understand
07:50 menak hi
08:28 MasterYin good morning everyone
08:31 MasterYin any ideas why http://paste.phlogi.net/-bda2d3a3e2/ does not work... I only want my link to be displayed in bold if there is a category
08:41 endegraaf hi all
08:43 ycas morning
08:55 PiMB morning all
09:24 Prot0 morning
09:34 WinstonS hey's
09:39 Prot0 hello
09:40 PiMB wassup!
09:45 WinstonS noobie question to start the day ;) how do i set the "display mode" of sr_feuser_register? all i've got is the CODE field where i can enter CREATE etc. i thought i've seen a dropdown list for those values somewhere...
09:49 Denjerek I'm going to guess that you need to use a different marker in the template.
09:49 WinstonS i dont use markers at all right now.
09:49 PiMB WinstonS, I believe the field is the way to go. I've seen it before.
09:50 PiMB might be that a later version of the ext has a dropdown.
09:50 WinstonS i just insert a new page content element, set the type to "plugin" and chose the front end user registration
09:50 WinstonS according to EM there's no update
09:50 Denjerek But the plugin must use a remplate.
09:50 Denjerek *template
09:51 Denjerek Oh wait
09:51 Denjerek waaaait
09:51 Denjerek Sorry
09:51 Denjerek BE
09:51 Denjerek :)
09:51 WinstonS yay ;)
09:51 Denjerek As you might be able to tell, I only just woke up
09:51 WinstonS same here. i'm still kind of sleepytyping ;)
09:52 WinstonS strange enough, i think i remember seeing the dropdown in one of my previous tries. i just cant remember where / how i've seen it.
09:52 WinstonS all documentation is like "set the display mode". they just dont tell where to set it ;)
10:04 kotelette Just wanted to download the typo3 sources and now sourceforge is down :(
10:05 kotelette maybe too cold to deliver downloads ;-)
10:05 BejjWrk works for me
10:05 BejjWrk http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/typo3/TYPO3%20Source%20and%20Dummy/TYPO3%204.3.1/typo3_src-4.3.1.tar.gz?use_mirror=garr
10:06 kotelette hmm that loink works, i used the download section on typo3.org... always returns a bas request...
10:06 kotelette thx anyway
10:06 BejjWrk np
10:08 Denjerek WinstonS: I think I've seen the dropdown you speak of in tt_news
10:08 Denjerek where they have LIST, SINGLE etc
10:09 WinstonS chances are i confused it with ve_guestbook.
10:12 tPl0ch hmm, if I want to add a regex string via t3editor, do I have to write it like /^\\$[A-Fa-f0-9]{190}\\$$/
10:18 tPl0ch everytime I save the editor, one backslash disapperas
10:19 Prot0 lol
10:20 Prot0 ok thats pretty annoying
10:20 WinstonS uhm. sounds like unescaping. did you try \\\\ ?
10:20 PiMB that's like removeslashes function
10:20 WinstonS /^\\\\ -> should unescape to two \\
10:20 WinstonS which, in next turn gets interpreted as "search for a \"
10:21 WinstonS "two \\" aka "two \" aka "\\"
10:23 WinstonS is there any way i can restrict access to front pages to back end users?
10:24 Prot0 only to groups
10:25 WinstonS ok, thanks
10:25 PiMB anybody here has experience using ldap and TYPO3?
10:26 PiMB maybe some manual or something?
10:36 nd How can I make ajax calls from a backend-module? I'd prefer not to go over frontend-plugins...
10:37 nd Is there a way to register a backend-module on a different pagetype, like with fe-plugins?
10:53 maholtz|WORK morning:)
10:55 Prot0 hola
10:56 PiMB hi
10:56 WinstonS hoi
10:58 MasterYin morning to all of you
10:58 Zillion morning
10:58 Prot0 szia
10:58 BejjWrk morning
10:59 Prot0 dang, im liking that increase in IRC activity in #typo3 :]
11:02 PiMB true, bit hard to keep up the conversation sometimes, but like the peoples here
11:02 marvin_zumx-ten hi yall
11:03 marvin_zumx-ten finally managed to get irc to work ... didn't imagine to make such troubles
11:03 Prot0 :] true
11:05 WinstonS why using cgi::irc firstplace? ;)
11:05 Prot0 lol
11:10 Denjerek Bloody RealURL is going to mess with Google
11:10 Denjerek Goddamnit
11:10 Denjerek That stupid Exclude from Speaking URL thing is STILL causing me trouble.
11:12 Prot0 Denjerek: using the latest version of realurl?
11:13 Denjerek Yep.
11:13 Prot0 (reading up on the mailinglist ;])
11:13 Denjerek It just seems to be completely random.
11:14 No5251 Denjerek: installed an upgrade before? is simulate static documents activated?
11:16 Prot0 seems to be a problem with realurl yes, did you place it in bugs.typo3.org?
11:18 marvin_x1 and here we go again :-/
11:18 sorenmalling Can someone help me getting the value from .20 (line 19) into the additionalParams (line 28) - http://www.phlogi.net/f/t3/tsp/sp/-cfc77a7f31/
11:18 marvin_x1 yeah. the irc.cgi isn't the best, but the opera client wouldn't work at all
11:18 sorenmalling And if possible make .10 the text of the link :)
11:20 marvin_x1 sry, soren. can't help u
11:21 Prot0 erm
11:21 WinstonS windows? mirc.
11:21 WinstonS if your firewall allows irc connections, that is.
11:22 PiMB FF has plugin for irc chat
11:22 marvin_x1 is there a 'no-install-version'?
11:22 Denjerek Prot0: not yet, not.
11:22 marvin_x1 have trouble with the 'no-admin-policy' here ;)
11:22 Denjerek The reason being is that I know Dmitry is a flamethrower
11:22 Denjerek so I'm trying to make 100000% sure that it's a bug and not user error.
11:22 PiMB good point ;)
11:22 WinstonS marvin_x1, of mirc? not that i know of. if you need something portable try pidgin portable, it should be able to handle irc also.
11:23 PiMB else there will be a rtfm coming your way
11:23 Denjerek marvin_x1: Install Opera :D
11:23 Denjerek Exactly PiMBm
11:23 Prot0 sorenmalling: perhaps take a look at this: http://sebastiaandejonge.com/articles/2010/januari/cool-typoscript-alphabetical-list-with-split-and-if.html
11:23 marvin_x1 i'm using opera ^^
11:23 marvin_x1 i'll give that another try, but for now the cgi seems to work
11:24 sorenmalling Prot0: Nice example, looks like what i need! :) I'll have a look at it'
11:24 WinstonS *sigh* another noobie question... i installed tt_news and added the marker "<!--###NEWS###-->" to my html template. how do i get tt_news to use this marker?
11:25 Prot0 not exactly what i think you want, but should help you on your way :]
11:25 sorenmalling It got the functionality with adding a split value to additionalParams, so it's perfect! :-)
11:26 marvin_x1 you're also working on a t3 blog, winstons?
11:26 WinstonS yep. and i'm still a totyl t3 noob
11:27 marvin_x1 same here.
11:27 WinstonS or can i use templavoila to add mapping to the template? like "put the news list into this container"?
11:28 marvin_x2 narf
11:28 WinstonS marvin_x2, mirc ;)
11:28 marvin_x2 yo ... next time i'll bring my portable miranda
11:29 marvin_x2 anyhoo..i also have to get a blog working. is tt_news a good choice or are there better solutions available?
11:30 WinstonS not that i know of, which doesnt mean too much, tho.
11:31 marvin_x2 the more i googeld the more often i found timtab. so it seems like the way to go
11:32 marvin_x2 once i'll have my testsystem i'll have a look into it
11:32 beli hi folks, maybe you guys have the same problem running php 5.2.x next to php 5.3.x.........what are your soluions?
11:34 ycas a question concerning pdf generator: is this script "heavy" for a server? our provider allows only 90seconds/script, and the pdf's are rendered only the first few lines. any hints if the script limitation might be responsible?
11:35 Prot0 beli: i have one running as CGI
11:35 ycas you can try on http://feuerungsleistungsregelung.info/unternehmen/ if you like
11:36 beli Prot0: can you explain please
11:36 Prot0 i didnt set it up but i think you can run one as apache module and another as CGI and set it up in the website conf (If your using apache of course ;])
11:38 beli i am on that box
11:38 beli Prot0: that sounds not useable for me, i guess i will run nginx on a different port to do the job
11:39 beli i need it for getting in the flow(3) ;)
11:39 Prot0 what im doing is simply the php cgi to the websites cgi and add this to the apache conf
11:39 Prot0 (ill paste it in pastebin hang on)
11:39 beli thanks
11:40 marvin_x2 i found a portable mirc version .. .i'll give that a try ..
11:40 Prot0 http://pastebin.com/m19451078
11:40 marvin_x2 see u guys later
11:41 beli ycas: are you using native browser transparency?
11:42 Prot0 ycas: there are different libs and functions available for PDF generation, one might be lighter than the other but it's still a pretty heavy process
11:42 Prot0 if it happens in the background perhaps you are allowed to enhance the allowed parse time/memory limit?
11:48 ycas beli: I don't think so; am not 100% sure of what u mean though.
11:49 marvin-narf ok, so it doesn't work ;)
11:49 ycas Prot0: nope, it's a big provider and customers are not that happy with their lack of flexibility :s
11:49 marvin-narf maybe you can help me with somethinge else? :)
11:49 marvin-narf i'm pretty new to t3 and am still looking for what it can what it can't do
11:50 Prot0 ycas: other solution: dedicated/managed hosting ;]
11:50 ycas Prot0: yea
11:50 marvin-narf i'm looking into working with workspaces and am wondering if workspaces can be divided to different server (to have a local draft-server and an online live-server)
11:50 PiMB nothing you can't do marvin-narf
11:50 PiMB ;)
11:51 marvin-narf ^^ hope so
11:51 ycas but actually i don't want the responsability to keep the machine safe :s
11:51 PiMB use a partner
11:51 Prot0 ycas: in that case managed hosting would be good
11:51 PiMB dedicated hosting partner that provides you with service and root acces, but they will do the control and updates
11:51 ycas Prot0: but you think the 90sec limit can be the problem here?
11:52 Prot0 not if youre in control of the limits :]
11:52 ycas ;)
11:52 ycas Prot0: thx
11:52 Prot0 perhaps you will still need to write code that performs better, but thats more of a customer specific question i guess
11:52 PiMB you need major memory limit and time limit.
11:53 PiMB and very good code for your pdf generation
11:53 marvin-narf so, this is possible? (sorry to have to ask again)
11:53 PiMB I've tried different things, and always found that it sucks mate
11:53 ycas one last question: which pdf generating lib/ext would you advise me to use?
11:54 ycas (if any comes to your mind)
11:55 Prot0 pfew, PiMB? you used one lately no?
11:56 beli ycas: the menu trans
11:58 beli ycas: managed server is the keyword...but a good portion of security knowledge is needed by any server admin
11:59 ycas yes. i am admin in a SMB, but not full time and learning by doing. That's why I wouldn't want my server to be outside the intranet :s
12:00 beli ycas: to face that the knowledge isnt enough for the wild is what most admins do not recognize
12:00 beli ycas: so you are on the right way
12:00 beli btw...apache and different php --> http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/ExtendingPrivilegeSeparation
12:00 beli i think thats what i take :)
12:01 Prot0 :]
12:02 snoy_ms any one knows how to get better quality for pictures? I set it from 70 to 100, but its also bad.
12:03 Denjerek Cleared the cache?
12:03 ycas beli: thx
12:03 snoy_ms yes, cache and tempfolder
12:03 ycas thx all for your valuable input!
12:03 Prot0 snoy_ms: do you use im/gdlib/2
12:03 Prot0 ?
12:05 snoy_ms Prot0: yes, i think so
12:05 snoy_ms Prot0: original: http://preview.bibellesebund.de/uploads/pics/Orientierung180.jpg
12:05 snoy_ms Prot0: shrinked: http://preview.bibellesebund.de/typo3temp/pics/a5e95aba87.jpg
12:06 Prot0 check you install tool configuration
12:06 Prot0 theres something related to image quality
12:07 Prot0 quality isnt that bad
12:07 snoy_ms our customer thinks so :-(
12:07 Prot0 lol
12:08 Prot0 well its a thumbnail, and its not resized with photoshop or something
12:08 Prot0 hehe
12:08 marvin-narf i've got another question:
12:09 beli snoy_ms: maybe increase thumbnail size? possible?
12:09 marvin-narf does anyone has experience with the AWStats-extension. or what is a good extension for collecting statistics
12:09 beli marvin-narf: google-analytics and awstats
12:09 snoy_ms beli: thats my next step...
12:10 Denjerek snoy - that's to do with the downsizing algorithm rather than the file compression
12:10 marvin-narf @snoy_ms: i think the 'problem' is that the image is compressed too much.
12:10 beli marvin-narf: there are extensions for awstats....also to make it accessible for backend users, not just admins
12:10 Prot0 snoy_ms: makingthe image smaller in photoshop gives you exactly the same quality ;]
12:10 marvin-narf k, so awstats is the way to go. thx
12:14 tPl0ch that is crap
12:14 snoy_ms can i set localconf setup via typoscript ?
12:14 snoy_ms for me it would be perfekt if the image processing is only disabled in startpage
12:14 tPl0ch I can't get the folowing regesx to work ^\$[0-9A-f]{190}\$$
12:15 tPl0ch somehow typo3 escapes the characters wrong
12:15 tPl0ch i tried 2 backslashes, 3,4
12:15 tPl0ch it should be passed to MailformPlus as a validation rule
12:16 tPl0ch but crappy editor fucks it up
12:18 snoy_ms ok, i test it with smaller images
12:31 snoy_ms doesnt work
12:31 snoy_ms still bad picture quily
12:31 Prot0 it depends on the image dpi format and size i guess
12:31 snoy_ms we test all formats
12:31 snoy_ms different dpi
12:32 snoy_ms different qulity
12:32 snoy_ms but it could be the size
12:41 WinstonS can a entry in a tt_news LATEST which is too long to be displayed completely link to it's respective SINGLE entry?
12:44 pmk65 snoy_ms: have you set [GFX][png_truecolor] = 1
12:44 snoy_ms yes
12:45 snoy_ms i test if its better with other sizes, maybe its to small with 90 px
12:53 endegraaf WinstonS, yes, that is the way tt_news works ;-)
12:56 WinstonS yep, i supposed so. now i just gotto find out where i messed up this time ;)
12:57 WinstonS the LATEST entry does not even display the [more] span, LIST list does display a [more] span, but no link. singlePID is set to a page where the plugin is inserted as SINGLE.
12:58 endegraaf ;-) that's a bit messed up indeed
12:58 endegraaf if you reverse LIST (more) with LATEST it'll be fine i guess?
12:59 WinstonS funny enough. on page singlePID the LIST entry contains a [more] which is linked.
12:59 WinstonS i included the LIST via templavoila and some typoscript
13:36 WinstonS any idea why the "more" link of a tt_news LIST entry is not a link but a plain span?
13:37 Golgata when i write an extension with a form which includes input fields named "tx_extname_pi1[abc]", how do i get the content of them after submit was pressed? is there something like $formdata->tx_extname_pi1 or so?
13:39 Prot0 Golgata: use the pivars
13:39 Prot0 $this->piVars['abc']
13:40 Golgata Prot0: thanks!
13:41 Golgata do i have to use method=post then, or is it not important?
13:41 PiMB doesn't matter.
13:42 PiMB piVars loads both
13:42 Golgata nice
13:48 Krabat Hey everbody, i have a problem with a submenu.special in typoscript and i'm not very good in ts. so could sombody just help me with these 5 lines? wisper me plz. TY
13:48 Prot0 post it m8, and well have a look :]
13:49 Prot0 http://www.phlogi.net/t3/tsp/
13:50 Krabat http://paste.phlogi.net/prob_with_submenu/
13:50 BejjWrk right about now my wife boards an airplane to come home from +16C to -7C, man i miss her
13:51 Prot0 lol
13:51 Prot0 Krabat: whats the problem?
13:51 Prot0 ah nm
13:51 Prot0 :]
13:51 Krabat it shows all sites
13:52 Krabat want to see the hole ts? its not big jet
13:54 PiMB BejjWrk she's finally coming over?
13:54 PiMB great man!
13:54 PiMB how long's the flight?
13:58 Golgata someone knows why the admin panel (FE) has to be expanded because otherwise the edit-bar isnt shown?!
13:59 BejjWrk PiMB: yup, its been since may 22nd since i last saw her, its an 18hour flight, she'll arrive about 8am tomorrow
14:00 PiMB so we won't be seeing you tomorrow ;)
14:00 BejjWrk i have tomorrow off work ;)
14:02 Prot0 Krabat: use list instead of directory
14:02 Krabat ok i try it! thx so far
14:04 Krabat jap Works! Thank you! (some times its so easy...)
14:05 Prot0 :]
14:06 Prot0 trial and error works fine too
14:06 Prot0 "directory" displays those items subpages, if they have any
14:06 tPl0ch How do I have to escape the following string ^\$[0-9A-Fa-f]\$$ in typoscript
14:06 Prot0 you have to?
14:06 Prot0 or still fooling around with the editor hehe?
14:07 tPl0ch Prot0, yes, I have to, since saving the ts temlate just keeps fu*** things up
14:07 tPl0ch I tried \$ \\$ \\\$ \\\\$
14:07 Prot0 lol
14:07 Prot0 ok thats messed up
14:08 tPl0ch Prot0, everytime I open the ts template, one backslash is gone with the wind
14:09 tPl0ch until there is none left, then $ will get replaced by the editor with the code of the whole template
14:09 Prot0 with t3editor?
14:10 tPl0ch Prot0, well, I disabled it
14:12 Prot0 hm ok weird
14:12 Prot0 so ^\$[0-9A-Fa-f]\$$ would after saving/reopening display ^$[0-9A-Fa-f]$$
14:12 Prot0 ?
14:13 Prot0 what TYPO3 version are you using?
14:13 PiMB then don't reopen
14:13 PiMB ..
14:13 PiMB maybe try via external TS?
14:13 PiMB then it's not escaped in/out db
14:16 tPl0ch Prot0, version 4.3.1
14:16 tPl0ch PiMB, with external you mean linking in from fileadmin?
14:17 tPl0ch Prot0, well I think $ is a reserved char in Typo3 as well, so I thought putting in a literal backslash with \\ and an escaped $ with \$ would give me \\\$
14:18 tPl0ch saving that, reopen gives me \$, which then after save is interpreted as escaped $
14:19 tPl0ch reopen, only the $ sign is there
14:21 PiMB tPl0ch yep, from fileadmin
14:21 PiMB <INCLUDE_TYPOSCRIPT: source="FILE:fileadmin/typoscript/setup/file.tss">
14:21 PiMB something like that
14:26 WinstonS btw, i solved that tt_news problem by now.
14:29 tPl0ch PiMB, no luck
14:29 tPl0ch something is possibly wrong with mailformplus
14:30 tPl0ch since ^\$[0-9A-Fa-f]{190}\$$ is a valid regex
14:31 tPl0ch or I do have define a user_func validation
14:31 tPl0ch but that's what I wanted to not do
14:34 Golgata how can i grant editorial rights to frontend users?
14:47 tPl0ch PiMB, Prot0 well it works now, I just used user_defined_validation
14:48 PiMB :)
14:48 PiMB the solution nobody wants, but everybody ends up with
14:51 WinstonS ît should be marked deprecated ;)
14:58 No5251 Denjerek: still having the realurl problem?
15:01 Krabat is it possible to make a second navigation tree?
15:02 Prot0 everything is possible
15:02 Prot0 http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/doc_core_tsref/4.1.0/view/8/11/
15:03 Denjerek No5251: yes.
15:03 Krabat ty
15:03 Denjerek for now I have included the page in the path permanently
15:03 Denjerek as I don't want to confuse google with a mishmash of random URLS
15:05 WinstonS random urls are your friend. as more linking to you as better ;)
15:07 tPl0ch Denjerek, well, if you have the same content on the random urls that is bad
15:07 tPl0ch you will get penalized for duplicate content
15:08 Denjerek exactly
15:09 WinstonS of course. but wasnt quite what i meant ;)
15:10 Denjerek Yeah, more links are good
15:10 Denjerek but duplicate content on pages with different URLs is bad
15:11 Prot0 yup
15:11 WinstonS i know.
15:11 WinstonS btw, why is google better than microsoft?
15:11 Prot0 you can easily check that with google webmaster tools
15:11 WinstonS they've got more funny t-shirts.
15:11 Prot0 lol
15:11 Prot0 and noone likes bill
15:12 WinstonS i think there are worse folks around than bill. and google isnt exactly harmless also
15:13 Denjerek Google is an absolute monster
15:13 tPl0ch Prot0, well, bill is not that bad, steven is way worse
15:13 Denjerek they are evil, corrupt, and PHENOMINALLY dangerous
15:13 WinstonS true
15:13 Denjerek they essentially control the internet
15:14 Denjerek but because they did it for free, no-one complained.
15:14 WinstonS most googlers i know are amazing. but "the google" is dangerous
15:14 Denjerek "for free"
15:14 Denjerek the whole "Christianity is..." and "Islam is..." search tells the whole story
15:14 WinstonS google is going even "less than free". they'll be paying you for using their products. because they take huge loads of money from their advertising customers.
15:15 phil1 hi all
15:15 phil1 anyone using trunk?
15:16 Denjerek only for peanuts phil1
15:16 Denjerek ¬_¬
15:19 phil1 I mean do you have a running system with current trunk?
15:19 phil1 datepicker does not work for me any more and I just want to make sure it is not my crappy linux
15:20 tPl0ch Anybody has some nice javascript flyout navigation ts?
15:21 tPl0ch horizontal
15:21 tPl0ch ^^
15:21 phil1 like this ? http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/anywidth2.html
15:23 tPl0ch phil1, yes, but as typoscript code
15:28 phil1 tPl0ch: comming
15:28 gerards lame Denjerek. you can do better... :)
15:30 phil1 tPl0ch: http://paste.phlogi.net/-a13f3b2aca/
15:31 phil1 tPl0ch: you can find css and stuff here http://typo3.philippgampe.info
15:31 tPl0ch phil1, lol, IE6 optimized
15:31 tPl0ch browsermobbing: DITCH IE6 FFS
15:32 WinstonS +1
15:32 phil1 +1
15:32 phil1 but I needed the code anyway for a project (+IE6)
15:33 phil1 so I just tried to keep it working ... you can skip anything you don't want
15:33 phil1 :)
15:38 tPl0ch phil1, yeah, I just realized that I have to create graphical headers as well
15:38 tPl0ch so I need to add some GIFBUILDER stuff
15:38 tPl0ch but should still work
15:45 WinstonS is there any typo3 marker that refers to a site's base url?
15:46 WinstonS for "http://domain.invalid/t3site/index.php?id=42" i need a reference to "http://domain.invalid/t3site/"
15:47 WinstonS without hardcoding it into the template
15:49 phil1 WinstonS: config.baseURL = http://example.com/path/
15:50 WinstonS thanks. i wanted to avoid that. because if i rename t3site to something else, i've got to change the typoscript also
16:01 compojoom hey guys!
16:01 compojoom is it possible to use indexed_search together with a custom extension
16:02 compojoom extension that I have written for example? what should I do, if I want to use indexed search together with it?
16:07 PiMB make sure it's indexed, then it's searchable
16:07 PiMB you might consider using the crawler extension for it
16:09 compojoom so just adding the <indexed search>....</indexedsearch> tags on the page and I'm ready?
16:10 PiMB should be.
16:10 compojoom cool, cool
16:10 Lasse hello -
16:10 Lasse i have some questions
16:10 Lasse forst of all: doyou have a typo3 forum where i can ask question? :)
16:15 maholtz|WORK @Lasse: there are newsgroups, which are sync with an mailinglist
16:15 maholtz|WORK its worth to check it out
16:21 Krabat when i use the backend to create an textelement on the side and use the headline funktion it creates an h1 headline! can i somehow change it to an h3 or h4 headline element that ist created?
16:21 kotelette kind of a poll: what would be you approach to realize a horizontal menu with the first and last item having rounded corners?
16:22 kotelette css and div positioning vs GMENU?
16:23 kotelette (it will have to be GMENU_LAYERS since it's more a dropdown with three levels)
16:25 kotelette and the menu items have to be scalable in width...
16:25 TheEternalAbyss greetings folks
16:28 TheEternalAbyss Had a question. If I remove baseurl from my template
16:28 TheEternalAbyss do i need to change the link rel info or can I leave it as is?
16:29 TheEternalAbyss but i mean completely delete that line, not just leave baseurl blank
16:33 AlphawolfWMP Hey folks. Anyone tried using TYPO3 with a Lotus Notes Domino Server already? Is it possible to run PHP, MySQL and mod_rewrite on a Domino Server?
16:34 Denjerek Christ
16:34 Denjerek I'd run screaming at the mention of Notes TBH
16:34 Prot0 id like to see that
16:35 Prot0 fair enough
16:35 Denjerek No problem.
16:35 Denjerek :)
16:35 Prot0 lol
16:35 Prot0 theoreticalley it should work no?
16:35 Prot0 :D
16:36 TheEternalAbyss whats the typoscript to add the frontend editing thing?
16:36 Prot0 lol
16:36 phil1 TheEternalAbyss: install the extension from TER
16:37 WinstonS domino *shudder*
16:37 AlphawolfWMP :D
16:37 TheEternalAbyss i thought there was just a command to bring up the grey box
16:37 Prot0 lol
16:37 Prot0 yes
16:37 Prot0 hehe
16:37 phil1 TheEternalAbyss: feeditadvanced
16:37 tPl0ch AlphawolfWMP, I would sue the person who sold you that
16:37 Prot0 phil1: he means the admin box
16:37 Prot0 :]
16:37 PiMB config.admPanel = 1
16:37 AlphawolfWMP Well, the client doesnt like Apache for whatever reason, and would like to stick with the domino server.. what can I say.
16:37 TheEternalAbyss yea the admin box, thanks
16:38 Prot0 was looking it up lol
16:38 Prot0 :]
16:38 AlphawolfWMP So, theoretically, would it be possible technically?
16:38 tPl0ch AlphawolfWMP, there are way othe possibilities then that
16:38 TheEternalAbyss but that extension interests me now :)
16:38 TheEternalAbyss is there a any extension that are specifically for navgation/menu building?
16:39 Prot0 http://typo3.org/about/system-requirements/
16:40 TheEternalAbyss hmm.....the admin panel won't show up...odd
16:41 AlphawolfWMP Prot0: Well, no signs of Domino on that page, huh ;)
16:41 Denjerek config.admPanel=1 in Template?
16:41 TheEternalAbyss yea
16:41 TheEternalAbyss I put that in there
16:41 TheEternalAbyss does that TS command work for version 4.2.8?
16:42 AlphawolfWMP Well, but you people's reactions were clear when I mentioned Domino.
16:42 TheEternalAbyss i think i need to go through the TS tutorials...
16:43 AlphawolfWMP Lemme bring up the term again: DOMINO
16:43 AlphawolfWMP :)
16:43 WinstonS lemme *shudder* again
16:44 WinstonS no idea about t3 and domino tho, sorry.
16:44 TheEternalAbyss oh there it is
16:44 AlphawolfWMP Well well, guess I will have to convince him to switch over to Apache or sth.
16:44 AlphawolfWMP Thanks for your thoughts, links and shudders :)
16:46 Prot0 hehe
16:46 Prot0 good luck
16:47 Bluespuke hello! i'm setting my keywords via page.meta.keywords = DB:pages:1:keywords (and of course an override if defined). how to make it work with a translated page?
16:47 Bluespuke i found this question multiple times on google but without an answer...
16:48 PiMB use a condition on L=1 and set the proper field for the translated keywords
16:50 Bluespuke PiMB: the keywords are in the translation of the page, how can i access it in the condition? is there something like DB:pages:1:keywords:L:1 ?
16:50 Prot0 thats not going to work
16:50 Prot0 dont you need the page overlay for that?
16:50 PiMB true
16:51 compojoom interesting. My extension uses url params like uid=5 to get a specific content from the database. That is why when I open the page for a first time with uid=5 the page is indexed. But the next time open the page with uid=6, the page is not indexed. I wonder how do tt_news manages to make their items indexed?
16:51 Prot0 use piVars
16:51 Prot0 for starters
16:51 Prot0 :]
16:52 Prot0 tx_myplugin_pi1[uid]
16:52 Prot0 instead of just uid
16:52 compojoom yep, sorry
16:52 compojoom this is what I'm doing
16:52 compojoom tx_myplugin[uid]=5
16:52 PiMB so instead of DB:pages you would use DB:pages_language_overlay
16:52 Krabat could sombody give me a hint? http://paste.phlogi.net/prob_with_liwrap/
16:52 pmk65 Bluespuke: the keywords (and other overlay fields9 will be returned in the language you have selected in FE.
16:52 compojoom and I'm accessing the uid with $this->piVars['uid']
16:53 Prot0 thats good yes :]
16:53 compojoom yep, but indexed_search doesn't care
16:53 pmk65 indexed_search sucks, and is one of those ext you should avoid..
16:53 Prot0 i had it too once, somewhere
16:54 compojoom LOL
16:54 Prot0 crawled content with the crawler ext
16:54 pmk65 Krabat: Use "wrapItemAndSub"
16:54 Prot0 and it indexed it well
16:54 compojoom pmk65: what extension should I use to index content then?
16:54 TheEternalAbyss question: if I built a menu completely outside of typo3, like using flash or some other web tech, I can add it in the template of course right?
16:54 Prot0 pmk65: for basic search it's not that bad is it?
16:55 pmk65 Krabat: http://www.typo3wizard.com/en/snippets/menus/text-menu.html
16:55 TheEternalAbyss cause i need a horiz menu that brings down a secondary horiz menu when a menu item is clicked
16:55 compojoom Prot0: and for advanced search? what do you use for "advanced" search?
16:55 WinstonS enough work for today. thanks and see you guys :)
16:55 compojoom see you man ;)
16:55 pmk65 Prot0: If you have a small site it's ok, but once there are several users trying to search, it overloads the server.
16:56 compojoom well, we've have more than 2000 pages on our site
16:56 compojoom and indexed search just works great
16:56 compojoom at the beginning we had problems with it
16:57 compojoom it was searching for stuff like this LIKE %something%
16:57 compojoom we've changed to just LIKE %something
16:57 compojoom and the server is just fine
16:58 pmk65 it's not the number of pages that brings it to its knees, but a mix of pages and search queries. Our site have around 5000 users online at peak hours. And once a couple of them starts searching at the same time, the server gets overloaded
16:58 Prot0 can imagine that :]
16:59 pmk65 right now we are using Googles search API instead..
16:59 PiMB it's common knowledge that indexed_search shouldn't be used in large or high traffic sites.
16:59 PiMB for small ones (-200pages) it's fine
16:59 compojoom anyway - good or bad I don't know why it doesn't index the different uids
16:59 compojoom like it does for tt_news
16:59 pmk65 but there's no definition on what is a "large site" and "high traffic"..
17:00 PiMB true.
17:00 Krabat pmk65: ty! worked
17:00 PiMB trial and error.
17:03 compojoom pmk65: we have several user groups. registered, premium etc. If the a registered user looks for something and he finds a premium article - then the article should be marked as for premium members. Are you able to do this with the google API?
17:05 kotelette TheEternalAbyss: we're just finished with a site conaining flashmovies as menues (using xml files containing the links)
17:05 kotelette that worked fine for us
17:08 elmargol Does Date2Calendar / powermail work for you using ie6?
17:08 Prot0 er
17:08 Prot0 there are know problems
17:08 Prot0 in combination
17:08 TheEternalAbyss kotolette: sounds good. Their menu is massively meesed up. I prefer to just rebuild it outside of typo3
17:08 Prot0 using latest versions?
17:08 Prot0 1.5.2 and 7.3.1?
17:11 kotelette TheEternalAbyss: we had to write an custom ext, because the customer wanted a alternative navigation if no flash availabe etc
17:11 kotelette so we just replace a marker with a FE plugin
17:11 elmargol Prot0: 1.5.3 7.3.0
17:13 Prot0 erm, do you have IRRE turned on?
17:13 kotelette which bring me back to my poll
17:14 kotelette what would be you approach to realize a horizontal menu with the first and last item having rounded corners?
17:14 kotelette css and div positioning vs GMENU?
17:14 kotelette and the menu items have to be scalable in width...
17:14 kotelette and transparent
17:14 elmargol Prot0: yes
17:15 Prot0 try turning that off, i think theres something about it in the extension configuration as well
17:15 Prot0 otherwise perhaps it might simply not run with IE6 :]
17:16 elmargol well it does not work on ie7 and ie8 aswell
17:22 TheEternalAbyss this is an odd question
17:22 TheEternalAbyss but maybe you guys can enlighten me
17:22 TheEternalAbyss let's say I have a menu that has four elements to choose from
17:22 TheEternalAbyss like itemA | itemB | itemC | itemD
17:23 TheEternalAbyss and under that menu, a second level menu will appear on mouseover
17:24 TheEternalAbyss if someone clicks on itemC (displaying the itemC submenu items and page), is it possible ot make itemD disappear in the main menu?
17:25 TheEternalAbyss to make*
17:26 elmargol Prot0: it was a bug in IEtester. it seems to work on a "native" vm
17:26 pmk65 kotelette: TMENU (GMENU has limited TS commands, and you can create exact the same menus with TMENU)
17:27 elmargol guess I have to setup 3 vms now :(
17:28 pmk65 elmargol: what platform/OS do you use?
17:29 elmargol kde4/archlinux/linux/32bit
17:29 elmargol for testing I use virtualbox and winxp
17:29 pmk65 go to this page (windows only) -> http://spoon.net/browsers/
17:30 pmk65 and click on the green button to download the plugin. After the plugin is installed, you can run TRUE IE6/7/8 on the same machine.
17:30 elmargol pmk65: can I test local sites using this?
17:31 pmk65 yes. it's a true IE, not a pseudo browser like IETester. So you can run all the debug addons.
17:32 pmk65 Debugbar (from the same company who made IETester) is really good for debugging the crappy IE browsers. -> http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/
17:32 elmargol pmk65: I dont' get how this works isnt the browser running on the server and I just see the results?
17:32 kotelette pmk65: so it get's me back to optionsplit with divs ,-)
17:32 kotelette and a jquery popup menu
17:33 pmk65 elmargol: It runs partly from the web, and partly from a "sandbox" area on your computer.
17:33 schabracke hello! anybody worked with pmkttnewstwitter and more than on news category yet?
17:34 pmk65 kotelette: There's a pretty good optionsplit tutorial here -> http://castironcoding.com/resources/typo3-admins-corner/typo3-admin-corner-article/article/understanding-optionsplit/index.html
17:35 pmk65 schabracke: It only reads the singlepid from the main category. It doesn't check nested categories.
17:35 kotelette yes i got that already working (like first and last div hve rounded vorners) combined with wrapItemAndSub, but chagin color on hover is not very performant with jquery and a div left and right wich change their background image on hover ,-)
17:36 kotelette it kinf of winces
17:54 tPl0ch Is there an asset packer for typo3, in like packing and combining all included css and js files?
17:55 TheEternalAbyss kotolette, did you use a specific extension to install the xml/flash menu?
17:55 TheEternalAbyss on a side note: nobody knows about my question?
17:58 pmk65 tPl0ch: Stefan Galinski's scriptmerger ext. -> http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/scriptmerger/current/
17:59 kotelette TheEternalAbyss: we made a custom one since we needed an alternative content if no flash player is installed etc
17:59 kotelette and it writes the xml files where the flash movie reads the relative links from
18:00 TheEternalAbyss kotolette: Sorry I don't quite follow. You guys have a custom flash menu correct?
18:00 pmk65 TheEternalAbyss> creating an XML output for flash is very easy. You just set up a different pagetype, and kills the normal headers and add a XML header.
18:01 TheEternalAbyss pmk65: oh i have everything for the menu already: .fls, .as .psd, .xml, .swf, .html files
18:02 kotelette we wrote it to a folder where the menue reads from
18:02 pmk65 Here's an example of creating a menu in XML format (It's one I wrote for creating a Google Sitemap XML file) -> http://www.phlogi.net/f/t3/tsp/sp/-32f8da6a31/
18:02 TheEternalAbyss so you just kep tthe HMENU and TMENU definitions in TS?
18:03 TheEternalAbyss thanks pmk
18:03 kotelette thats even cooler :) should have known that before
18:03 TheEternalAbyss i think i might do something like that
18:04 pmk65 if you add that TS to your setup, and you add a GET param -> type=104 then it will show the XML file.
18:04 TheEternalAbyss cool
18:04 pmk65 the same method can be used for creating a XML file for a Flash menu.
18:05 pmk65 Note: the "4" value used in the snippet, refers to my rootpage which is id=4
18:05 kotelette Got to go, see you guys :)
18:05 TheEternalAbyss well i have the xml file already
18:05 TheEternalAbyss bye kotolette
18:06 TheEternalAbyss kotelette i mean :)
18:06 TheEternalAbyss so i just need to reference it
18:06 TheEternalAbyss funky
18:06 TheEternalAbyss I wish I was more proficient in all this...I need a web design crash course to get up to speed
18:08 TheEternalAbyss i haven't made sites in a few years and now all this stuff pops up on me and I sort of know what's going on, but at the same time I'm bumping into walls
18:11 pmk65 There's still lots of stuff I don't know. Flash for instance. I tried it a while back, but I found it so confusing (the way you attach scripts to objects, which you then attach to other objects/scripts)
18:12 TheEternalAbyss yea but right now i feel like I've been told to paint a portrait and I have no hands
18:12 TheEternalAbyss lol
18:13 TheEternalAbyss i'm just a bit frustrated that's all
18:13 TheEternalAbyss it's just how i am when learning new things...like typo3 and TS :)
18:14 TheEternalAbyss well i'm going to get some lunch. be back in 10 min or so
18:33 elmargol Any Ideas why I don't have the new typo3script editor using typo3 4.3?
18:33 elmargol I have a screenshot here of a fancy new editor and still get the old one :(
18:34 kinea elmargol: you can activate the editor in the templates section
18:37 elmargol kinea: web/template/info modify?
18:39 kinea elmargol: first you have to install the extension
18:39 kinea in the extension manager
18:40 kinea its there, but not installed
18:40 elmargol feedit?
18:41 kinea t3 editor
18:41 kinea t3editor
18:41 kinea the second in the section "backend"
18:43 elmargol Ok thats allready installed
19:09 TheEternalAbyss well that took longer than I thought it would
19:10 elmargol found the problem. the editor only works if I edit Setup or Constants. not If i choose "Edit the whole template"
19:49 Phlogi elmargol: thats normal
19:53 elmargol Phlogi: good to know...
20:23 TheEternalAbyss the default username/pass for the easy install is root, joh316 right?
20:24 Phlogi TheEternalAbyss: yes I think so...
20:25 Phlogi or admin
20:25 Phlogi as username
20:26 TheEternalAbyss i'm trying to have a fresh install to just experiment with so I don't screw up the main site i'm working on
20:26 TheEternalAbyss but all I'm getting is that current username/pass or host was not accepted during the easy123 install :\
20:32 TheEternalAbyss k, it was just root no password -_-;;
20:47 decoder hello :) we're having serious problems with our typo3.. since some upgrade, many things dont seem to work anymore. Email obfuscation isnt working, serving static pages doesnt work either, although all these settings are appropriate in the Setup Section of the Template Config
20:47 decoder (using templavoila if that is of any relevance)
20:48 decoder does anyone have an idea?
20:52 Prot0 TemplaVoila is certainly of relevance
20:52 Prot0 from what to what did you upgrade
20:52 Prot0 ?
21:14 fLoo i've got a problem over here, i am having like 300.000 photos
21:14 fLoo now i am looking for a good and fast gallery-extension
21:14 fLoo which may handle even 1 million pictures
21:15 fLoo anyone has an advice for me ?
21:17 timdeluxe fLoo: i work with http://gallery.menalto.com/ but i never handled 300k photos
21:17 timdeluxe but i think it is just a question of disk space
21:18 fLoo ya
21:18 fLoo used gallery2 too so far
21:19 timdeluxe but not satisfied?
21:23 fLoo well
21:24 fLoo i am, but i am only using it with like 90k pictures so far
21:24 fLoo i am not sure it can handle 1 mio pictures
21:25 timdeluxe hm, i think the boundaries are only disk space and dat
21:25 timdeluxe abase
21:25 fLoo ya, i think when you have a database with 1 mio pictures it might grow exorbitant
21:25 timdeluxe 1 mio rows are no problem for a typical database
21:26 timdeluxe especially when it uses smart indexes
21:27 fLoo i'll try then
21:28 timdeluxe i am just interested: where do so many pictures come from? do you own some community page?
21:31 fLoo well
21:31 fLoo its a newspaper
21:31 timdeluxe ah ok
21:31 timdeluxe with a big archive i assume
21:32 fLoo pretty big yea
21:32 fLoo 30 tb pictures
21:44 Golgata exec_SELECTquery gives back a recordset, right? how can i access it in php?
21:45 Prot0 Golgata: its the smae as example mysql_query
21:45 Prot0 but if you need an array back
21:45 Golgata when i do $bla = $GLOBALS['TYPO3_DB']->exec_SELECTquery(...) and now want to access the records in $bla?
21:45 Prot0 i suggest you use exec_SELECTgetRows
21:46 Golgata ah
21:46 Golgata what's smae? :)
21:46 Prot0 $GLOBALS['TYPO3_DB']->sql_fetch_assoc
21:46 Golgata ah
21:46 Golgata think i got it... the result is still an sql-format?
21:47 Prot0 its the same
21:47 Prot0 read the core documentation
21:47 Golgata i'll try
21:48 Prot0 :)
21:48 Golgata thanks so far. probably SELECTgetRows is more what i need
21:48 Prot0 if you just need an array with all results, using exec_SELECTgetRows() would be faster
21:48 Golgata thats what i need
21:48 Golgata :D
21:50 Golgata is it then $bla[recordNumber][value]?
21:51 Prot0 yup
21:51 Prot0 starting with 0
21:51 Prot0 as index of course
21:51 Prot0 if youre not sure about what you have just print_r() it
21:52 Golgata i learned that today ;)
21:59 Prot0 if your using the DBAL this might also be handy:
21:59 Prot0 http://sebastiaandejonge.com/articles/2009/december/debugging-sql-queries-from-the-dbal.html
22:00 Thasmo Hello! Anybody here who would help me with a SVN working copy, trying to 'add' new files? Thanks a lot!
22:01 Prot0 Sure
22:01 Thasmo :>
22:01 Prot0 whats the problem?
22:01 Thasmo Ok - I copied a directory within Dreamweaver into a working copy.
22:01 Thasmo which was eventually a mistake. xD
22:02 Prot0 lol
22:02 Prot0 oh dear
22:02 Prot0 dreamweaver?
22:02 Thasmo now I try to to 'svn add <dir>' to add it to the working copy, but it keeps saying, it is already versioned.
22:02 Thasmo yeah dw xD
22:02 Prot0 try updating from the repos
22:02 Prot0 i hope you didnt buy that! hehe
22:02 Thasmo but the repository doesn't have the directory I added
22:03 Thasmo buy? xD
22:03 Prot0 lol
22:03 Prot0 tryed closing and restarting dreamweaver?
22:03 Thasmo it starts with 'b', but it's burned.
22:03 Prot0 or refreshing your view
22:03 Thasmo No, I try to add the directory via SSH.
22:03 Thasmo root access.
22:04 Prot0 do you have an SVN client installed on your system otherwise? like tortoiseSVN
22:04 Prot0 that prolly wont work
22:04 Prot0 ;]
22:04 Thasmo im developing on a linux machine over sftp
22:04 Thasmo its on linux
22:04 Thasmo Dreamweaver -> FTP -> Linux -> REPOSITORY.
22:04 Prot0 o.0
22:04 Prot0 makes sence
22:04 Prot0 :D
22:05 Thasmo the repo is on another server.
22:05 Prot0 im guessing
22:05 Prot0 the nix box is your dev env?
22:05 Thasmo indeed.
22:05 Prot0 :]
22:05 Thasmo So, how to add a directory to the working copy?
22:06 Prot0 still need to think of a system like that but with local servers
22:06 Thasmo huh? xD
22:06 Prot0 you have ssh on the linux machine?
22:06 Thasmo ye
22:06 Prot0 ah
22:06 Thasmo :>
22:06 Prot0 how do you commit normally? o.0
22:07 Thasmo Via a TYPO3 extension.
22:07 Thasmo :>
22:07 Thasmo Don't lose your head now. xD
22:07 Thasmo It's half that complicated.
22:07 Prot0 lol
22:07 Prot0 :D
22:07 Prot0 ok
22:07 Prot0 im not going to ask any further
22:08 Thasmo I just need to 'add' newly created files to the working copy, so it can be commited.
22:08 Prot0 erm
22:08 Thasmo But it doesn't work.
22:08 Prot0 svn add... something
22:08 Prot0 wait ill lookup the cmd
22:08 Thasmo yeah it says '... already under version control'
22:08 Prot0 http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.2/svn.ref.svn.c.add.html
22:09 Prot0 and when you manually commint/update over SSH?
22:09 Prot0 or add it over SSH
22:10 Thasmo Okay, again: I log into SSH and type in: "svn add <my_newly_created_directory>", and then it says: svn: warning: '<my_newly_created_directory>' is already under version control.
22:11 Prot0 ok
22:11 Prot0 svn commit?
22:11 Prot0 or if that doesnt work
22:11 Prot0 remove it
22:11 Prot0 and add it again
22:11 Prot0 :D
22:11 Thasmo but I thought commiting is only working for files added to the working copy?
22:11 Thasmo how to remove?
22:12 Thasmo SVN sucks btw. xD
22:12 Prot0 lol nah
22:12 Prot0 svn remove
22:13 Thasmo a that suckes a lot dude xD next error:
22:13 Thasmo svn: Directory '<my_dir>/.svn' containing working copy admin area is missing
22:13 Prot0 rofl
22:13 Prot0 omg
22:13 Thasmo svn really got me.
22:13 Thasmo damn thing
22:14 Thasmo cant add, cant remove.
22:14 Thasmo so what? xD
22:14 Prot0 hmm
22:14 Prot0 create a new checkout? :D
22:16 Thasmo ill do now, just backing up changes in case of SVN comes up with the idea to take over my server or somethg.
22:16 Thasmo I bet it's a trojan horse. xD
22:17 Prot0 lol
22:19 Prot0 hang on
22:21 Thasmo K, made a clean checkout now. So, how to add new directories and files to the working copy?
22:25 Prot0 well
22:25 Prot0 normally with svn add
22:26 Thasmo ok I created a directory via SSH 'mkdir'
22:26 Prot0 but because of your "strange" construction
22:26 Prot0 :P
22:26 Thasmo and added it successfully.
22:26 Prot0 hm
22:26 Prot0 ok
22:26 Prot0 wel
22:26 Prot0 problem solved :P
22:26 Thasmo i think this SHITTY dreamweaver messed it up
22:26 Thasmo not yet, need to add the files also xD
22:27 Thasmo ok, worked also.
22:27 Thasmo Phew.
22:27 Prot0 amen to that
22:27 Prot0 ;]
22:28 Prot0 but why do you use an ext for committing if its just a simple command? :P
22:28 Thasmo cause it's a single click
22:29 Prot0 lol
22:29 Thasmo compared to login to SSH, etc.
22:29 Prot0 true
22:29 Thasmo well someone recommended it to me, I just try it out.
22:29 Prot0 :]
22:29 Thasmo im new to SVN
22:29 Prot0 funny construction though, didnt think of that one
22:29 Thasmo of what?
22:30 Prot0 committng with an ext
22:30 Prot0 :]
22:30 Prot0 but doesnt do anything with the database does it?
22:30 kraftb hi !
22:31 Thasmo no
22:31 Prot0 k
22:31 Thasmo just using svn commands over php exec.
22:31 Prot0 ah k :]
22:32 Prot0 hi kraft!
22:32 Prot0 :]
22:41 kraftb Hi Prot=
22:41 kraftb Prot0
22:44 HansPeterBriegel hi, how do I permit that typo3 is adding it's on css-tags?
22:46 ycas HansPeterBriegel: can you be more precise? Do you use an extension like CSC?
22:47 HansPeterBriegel ycas: I am using css styled content
22:48 HansPeterBriegel but I don't want typo3 to add csc-header csc-header-n1 etc. automatically
22:48 Prot0 you can disable that yes
22:48 ycas if it's installed properly, it should already use it's own css; what exactly is your problem?
22:48 ycas ah ok
22:50 HansPeterBriegel Prot0: how?
22:50 Prot0 http://www.phlogi.net/f/t3/tsp/sp/html_cleaning/
22:50 Prot0 this what I use to do HTML cleaning
22:50 Prot0 also clears the comments
22:51 ycas Prot0 was faster
22:51 Prot0 hege
22:51 Prot0 just had to take it from my own TS ;]
22:52 Prot0 That reminds me to make a new blog post
22:52 Prot0 :D
22:54 Thasmo Prot0, I now commited via SSH 'svn commit' and it says 'successfully commited'. In Forge the commited files have a new time, like 'edited 3 minutes ago', but my changes are not there. WTF!
22:54 ycas in yoir link, line 5 is only for 'p' elements (if i get it right); is a list not better for this?
22:54 ycas like lib.parseFunc_RTE.nonTypoTagStdWrap.encapsLines.encapsTagList = cite, div, p, pre, h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6
22:56 Prot0 erm why?
22:56 Prot0 oh sorry
22:57 Thasmo K, sorry - now it's there, seems it took some time to generate the diffs or whatever.
22:57 Prot0 :D
22:57 Prot0 erm yeah i think it normally takes some time with the forge
22:57 Prot0 seen that too
22:57 Prot0 before my comments would show up etc
22:58 Prot0 i think the web part is synced every 5 mins or so
22:58 Prot0 ycas: it should only clear the endless p tags that you get in things like tables etc
22:59 Thasmo And for now, all my energy is gone, feeling like shit, after walking this path of svn crap. xD doh ....
22:59 Thasmo but my 2-line changes are in! woohooo
23:00 Thasmo 1 hour for 2 lines. yeah, I can just get more efficient.
23:00 Prot0 it will get better in time :D
23:02 Prot0 ah sorry, ycas: its been a time since i wrote that
23:02 Prot0 line 5 clears out the "bodytext" class from all <p> s
23:03 ycas ok. no prob; i only c&p stuff i find, have no real clue on typo3. am doing my 1st site with it.
23:03 Prot0 hehe
23:03 Prot0 im writing a complete article about it
23:03 Prot0 :]
23:03 Prot0 i also recommend sourceopt
23:03 Prot0 for nicely formatting your HTML
23:04 ycas an extension?
23:05 Prot0 yeah
23:05 Prot0 makes nice tidy HTML\
23:06 ycas hm. i've had enough with realurl and such
23:06 ycas my html is clean enough :p
23:06 ycas do you have a link to an example?
23:08 Thasmo realurl is for nice urls, not for nice markup. ;o)
23:08 Prot0 i think my source looks pretty good (always proud of it :P)
23:08 Prot0 http://sebastiaandejonge.com/home.html
23:08 Prot0 nice indenting etc
23:08 ycas i know ;) but for config etc. it's a pain (it was for me)
23:09 Thasmo realurl is, yes.
23:09 Prot0 hehe
23:09 Thasmo in that case realurl sux.
23:09 Prot0 just have to work a little with it
23:09 Thasmo i dont like it either, stickin' with static document uris.
23:09 Prot0 when you understand how the configuration works its not so hard
23:09 ycas yea. now it's nice.
23:09 Thasmo if you know yes, but the style how it's done is kinda ... awkward.
23:10 ycas Prot0: nice, thx!
23:11 ycas yes. for me as non developer, t3 was pretty counter-intuitive (left this impression) to me
23:11 Thasmo I mean realurl, not t3. xD
23:12 Thasmo But I love Extbase/Fluid, and FLow3, that's really near.
23:12 Thasmo neat.
23:12 ycas gn8 guys!
23:12 Prot0 nn :]
23:14 HansPeterBriegel is there a chance to add via typoscript a | beside every menu point in the output
23:16 Prot0 | is recognized as a seperator
23:16 Thasmo yes, there is.
23:16 kraftb Thasmo: what are you using extbase/fluid for?
23:16 Thasmo http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkrechter_Strich
23:17 Thasmo kraftb, some extensions, mainly frontend plugins with action controllers/models etc.
23:17 kraftb what kind of frontend plugins?
23:17 kraftb simply output some records as list/detail view?
23:17 HansPeterBriegel Thasmo: thank you...
23:18 Thasmo yeah also, but also experimenting with domain services in a store/shop extension.
23:18 Thasmo np hansPeter.
23:18 HansPeterBriegel wikipedia kenn ich selbst
23:18 kraftb you could take a look at "kb_display" ...
23:18 kraftb you do not have to write a single line of code to get your list/detail views
23:18 kraftb its a general data display extensin ...
23:18 kraftb +o
23:19 kraftb you simply insert a FE plugin, make settings like the table you are going to display, some criterias (like only show records having specific checkboxes/selectboxvalues set), and can also add filters which enable the user to filter records in the FE
23:20 kraftb in TER there is not documentation for the extension, but it is documented on the wiki on forge.
23:20 kraftb http://forge.typo3.org/wiki/extension-kb_display
23:20 Thasmo Do I need to create smarty templates?
23:20 kraftb just for your output, like you have to do with fluid
23:21 Thasmo Cause I dunno smarty
23:21 kraftb well. if you learned fluid, smarty is not more complicated ...
23:21 Thasmo DOes it handle inline records?
23:21 kraftb yes.
23:21 kraftb when inserting the FE plugin, you can instuct it to join additional tables
23:21 kraftb all this configuration is done via flexforms
23:22 kraftb you simply tell it to join the inline records, and set a configuration which field of your main table has to match which field of your inline table (in most cases the "parent" field)
23:22 kraftb I somehow did not like the approach of fluid very much ... to create a complete new templating engine for T3 as there is already a very good one out there
23:22 Thasmo So you can override the TCA?
23:23 kraftb well ... it does not automatically join the inline records, as for example in a list view you won't need them.
23:23 Thasmo is smarty 2 out already?
23:23 Thasmo or was it 3?
23:23 kraftb smarty 3 is currently in beta phase ...
23:23 kraftb one thing I find nice about fluid, is that it is valid XML
23:24 Thasmo I like beeing able to define either XML tags or the procedural style like {f:viewhelper()}
23:24 kraftb but I assume smarty 2 is more powerful than fluid (I did not take an in depth look at fluid, but smarty exists for much a longer time, and thus should be more stable than fluid)
23:24 kraftb the "procedural style" like you call it can get implemented in smarty.
23:24 Thasmo Smarty has a lot more functions at present, that's for sure.
23:25 kraftb usually you do something like {foreach from=$variable item=loopvar}
23:25 kraftb and put your list-rows or whatever inside
23:25 kraftb well. I suggested to the Ingo (or whoever developed the fluid stuff), that they should contact the smarty developers
23:26 kraftb I was sure - and I am still sure - they would have found it a nice idea, to make a second smarty template-form which is XML compatible
23:27 Thasmo yeah but someone also proposed to use doctrine for ORM, so in the end they would have come up with a new TYPO3, consisting of a lot of dependent software, which is maybe good, or maybe also not.
23:27 kraftb I found this a misuse of opensource resources, to code everything a second and third time, if something is already there ... but that seems to be a common thing in the open source world
23:27 kraftb everybody cooking his own soup :(
23:27 Thasmo yeah, sadly.
23:27 kraftb well. they depend on php, apache, mysql ...
23:27 Thasmo But, do you know commerce? xD
23:28 kraftb xcommerce or oscommerce?
23:28 Thasmo 'commerce' for typi3
23:28 Thasmo rypo3
23:28 Thasmo TYPO3
23:28 Thasmo doh
23:28 kraftb ah ... yes... from thomas hempel?
23:28 Thasmo I dunno.
23:28 kraftb wait.
23:28 Thasmo http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/extension-commerce
23:28 kraftb na.
23:29 Thasmo Thomas Hempel (matrikz) is inactive there.
23:29 kraftb this one I didn't know. I heard about it.
23:29 kraftb thomas hempel developed a web shop some years ago.
23:29 Thasmo Is there any useable shop for TYPO3, tho?
23:31 kraftb well ... depends an what you need
23:31 kraftb I guess any shop extension need to get adopted to your needs.
23:31 kraftb and then theres the question of payment gateways
23:31 Thasmo sure.
23:32 kraftb what I mean by "needs" is: if you have a bookshop, you have different requirements than for a ebay like auction site or if you sell computer software online.
23:32 Thasmo yeah, you're right.
23:32 kraftb first: you have different tables. you could overcome this when using the old-school "tt_products" stuff, by simply relabeling the TCA in the FE using TSconfig or similar
23:33 kraftb but then you simply have a different kind of actions taken during ordering, browsing the shop, etc.
23:33 kraftb When I solve such things, I usually use my extension "kb_kickstarter" for creating the tables:
23:33 kraftb http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/extension-kb_kickstarter
23:33 kraftb it generates the tables + sql + tca + ext_tables.php stuff for you.
23:34 kraftb like the common kickstarter does, but in another fashion
23:34 kraftb the kb_kickstarter extension allows you to create table/field records and associating them, and features an kickstarter-admin which allows you to generate the table configuration (TCA, etc) out of this information
23:35 kraftb so more or less you define your tables/fields via some records in the database ;)
23:35 kraftb it's like scratching your left head with your right hand - but it seems to make sense in this situation.
23:35 Thasmo huh
23:35 kraftb you can redefine, reconfigure, add new fields, etc.with a few clicks instead of starting up the kickstarter which messes around with your pi/etc. code
23:36 Thasmo sounds interesting.
23:36 Thasmo so its doing TCA, ext_tables.php and ext_tables.sql stuff?
23:37 kraftb http://forge.typo3.org/wiki/extension-kb_kickstarter#The-Kick-Admin-module
23:37 kraftb have a look at this image. It shoud make clear what it does for you.
23:37 kraftb and scroll upwards to see how you define the tables.
23:37 kraftb just having a look at the pictures should clear most of the concept :)
23:37 Prot0 yay done
23:38 kraftb and one of the best things is: the fields you can use (like Text, Integer, Select-Box, etc) are simply smarty templates again.
23:39 kraftb so for the "Text" field type you have one smarty template for its "tca.php"part, for ext_tables, etc. .... this enables you to easily add new fields types if required
23:39 kraftb and it's coded very straight forward.
23:39 kraftb only a few hundred lines of code
23:40 kraftb 36.8 KByte
23:40 kraftb including all the comments, headers, etc.
23:40 kraftb :)
23:40 Thasmo On the first look, it seems to maybe create some overhead, for 'just' creating some tables and TCA.
23:41 kraftb well. that depends on what you need. If you need the same kind of tables more often, it could save you time.
23:41 Thasmo But maybe I'm wrong, the normal kickstarter isn't also that fast. xD
23:41 kraftb you could simply import/export the tables/fields records and modify it like required
23:41 kraftb it does take some time - that's right
23:41 kraftb but it shows very usefull and a lot more comfortable to use, when you have to change your tables afterwards.
23:42 kraftb btw: the tables will not have any "kb_" in their name if you do not want to. you can define your own table/fieldname prefix !!
23:42 kraftb and finally you could also uninstall the kickstarter extension if you finally have configured your tables completely.
23:43 kraftb it simply stores all of the generated ext_tables, tca, etc. stuff in a own empty extension
23:44 Thasmo I see you also wrote a shop. =o)
23:44 kraftb and I use this extensin in conjunction with kb_display to rapidly: create tables, create list and detail views ... without coding
23:44 kraftb well ... the shop is more or less the precursor of the kickstart/display duo
23:44 kraftb the shop was a combination of both - but not very well written, and more or less simply "grow" during the last few years
23:45 kraftb but last year I recreated this functionally totally new from scratch - based on smarty, and coded in a much much cleaner way than before
23:45 kraftb (simply look at the code).
23:45 kraftb I mean: I do not want to sell you those extensions - I probably sound like a "staubsaugerverkäufer" *gg*
23:45 kraftb Just wanted to let you know ...
23:46 kraftb http://forge.typo3.org/wiki/extension-kb_display/Kb_display_step2
23:46 kraftb again the pictures speak words
23:46 kraftb I also had a preliminary look at extbase/fluid - and it seems very nice when it comes to coding "new" extensions.
23:46 Thasmo yeah, you came up, throws in a dozen links and I was like going 'huh' ;o) Nah, I already had seen or heard of 'kb_' extensions, here and there, ut never had the effort to try any.
23:47 kraftb but the simply list/detail/archive/teaser of "XY records" should get solved without the need for any PHP code
23:47 kraftb well ... if you used the content slide feature of the CONTENT cObj, or generated some png graphics you already used part of my code
23:47 kraftb :)
23:47 kraftb the truecolor-png feature was implemented by me, also as some other parts of the code
23:48 kraftb many of my extensions are out of date and do not work with 4.3
23:48 kraftb .... sadly
23:48 Thasmo which content slide feature?
23:48 kraftb if you want to inherit content elements.
23:48 kraftb lets say you have a news plugin in the right column of your layout
23:48 kraftb and want it to get displayed on every subpage. then the best thing would be to used the content slide feature of the CONTENT object
23:48 kraftb like :
23:49 kraftb lib.subparts.myContent < styles.content.get
23:49 Thasmo ah
23:49 Thasmo slide: -1 etc
23:49 kraftb lib.subparts.myContent.slide = -1
23:49 kraftb yes.
23:49 Thasmo yeah sure, very useful ;o)
23:49 kraftb that was an own extension before, but got included into the core from 4.0 onwards
23:49 Thasmo slide collect etc.
23:49 kraftb yes ... exactly
23:50 Thasmo so this still works with 4.3 xD
23:50 kraftb well ... just wanted to tell you about those both extensions ....
23:50 kraftb the kickstarter/display extensions work very well ... and already some people are using it.
23:50 kraftb What still is missing is a full featured documentation of both (only documented in forge wiki currently).
23:50 kraftb and it is best to use the versions from forge SVN
23:50 kraftb and one more tip:
23:51 kraftb if you have already something half-finished, using your own custom extension, don't start up re-implementing it using kickstarter/display duo.
23:51 kraftb ... rather finish your current projects like you did before, and give the extensions a try during your next project.
23:52 kraftb ... I had the experience, that some people came into struggling with their projects, and thought the kickstarter/display extension would be some kind of magic solution for their problems
23:52 Thasmo Yeah, I'll look into it when it'S time for it. =o)
23:52 kraftb but it also takes time. you have to create the FE-templates, if you want to create links, scaled pictures, etc. you'll have to create TypoScript - etc.
23:53 Thasmo As I have no experience with Smarty, it would take some time to get into it.
23:53 kraftb well - it's quite easy. if you know how to create a loop or similar structures
23:53 kraftb I think I also put an example of a listing/detail smarty template on the forge wiki - but dunno right know.
23:55 kraftb if there is none just drop me a mail and I'll add one. I already sent an example template including example typoScript to people trying the extension - i had no negative feedback until now. yes. some bug reports, etc. but that's common and usually gets solved very quickly as I also use those extensions
23:55 kraftb but I am leaving for today ... I met Buzz Aldrin today ;)
23:55 kraftb the second man on the moon.
23:55 kraftb He was a keynote speaker on a congress in Vienna
23:55 Thasmo Nice.
23:56 Prot0 hehe cool :]
23:56 Prot0 hey kraftb, didnt i talk to you about jobs in vienna?
23:56 kraftb Yes. I guess once.
23:56 Prot0 hehe
23:57 Thasmo Thanks for the talk to you all, I'm gone for today. =o) Ciao.
23:57 kraftb Didn't I tell you some companies you could apply at?
23:57 kraftb cu
23:57 Prot0 yeah
23:57 Prot0 and I did ;]
23:57 kraftb which one?
23:57 Prot0 cya Thasmo
23:57 Prot0 erm
23:57 Thasmo cya
23:57 Prot0 TypoHeads
23:57 kraftb ah ... ok.
23:57 Prot0 Plan2Net
23:57 Prot0 erm
23:57 kraftb did you try plan2net
23:57 kraftb ok.
23:57 Prot0 and some more
23:57 Prot0 no reply from them
23:57 kraftb what did they tell you?
23:57 kraftb how long ago?
23:57 Prot0 and typoheads were only looking for freelancers
23:57 Prot0 erm 1 month i think
23:57 Prot0 or 2
23:58 kraftb I can ask the guy at plan2net
23:58 Prot0 i went by at typoheads
23:58 Prot0 well i got a job now so hehe
23:58 kraftb ah ... ok.
23:58 Prot0 its not needed anymore, but thanks "]
23:58 kraftb where?
23:58 Prot0 :]
23:58 Prot0 erm, small marketing agency, identum
23:58 kraftb in vienna?
23:58 Prot0 yeah
23:58 Prot0 moving there in 1 month :]
23:59 kraftb fine.
23:59 kraftb from where are you - or better asking: what is your mothers tongue?
23:59 kraftb english?
23:59 Prot0 hehe
23:59 Prot0 no dutch
23:59 kraftb ah ok.

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