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00:15 uriahheep void: ah, python eh
00:16 void yep
00:31 uriahheep void: how much faster does it run, and why do you find it better now? :P
01:08 void uriahheep: yeah... it run really faster, but that's not the main reason why I switched to python
01:09 void uriahheep: it is just a great language. beatiful. logical. flexible.
01:55 crubb hey guys
01:56 crubb when developing an extension, is there some kind of global array where i can store temp information?
03:42 ironm hi ... one question .. typo3 4.3.1 (ubuntu 10.04 beta1 amd64) ... the following error .. any idea where to look ? .. TNX in advance :-)
03:43 ironm PHP Fatal error: session_start(): Failed to initialize storage module: files (path: ) in /usr/share/typo3/typo3_src-4.3/typo3/index.php on line 122
03:46 ironm !PHP Fatal error
07:47 libertiy hi everyone around here?
07:47 libertiy whats the best way to create a custom skin, ui for typo 3?
07:47 libertiy i need to change some elements and layout structure
07:50 libertiy what about the typo3 commerce project?
07:50 libertiy latest update aug 2009 &&beta
07:50 libertiy is that still developed?
08:13 libertiy anyone alive here?
08:13 libertiy its to quiet in here
08:17 libertiy so the commerce extension seems totally a mess.. gave me a error graytree extension, which is 2008 :s
10:16 iaj_ Hmmm.. what the.. anyone got a solution. I changed my .css file on the remote server.. but the page still shows the same old values in firebug =/..
10:17 iaj_ even says ka.css body { ... (line2) ... but in the file itself.. I changed the color: attribute.
10:17 Winston_S hey's
10:18 iaj_ hey!
10:19 iaj_ hm whatever change I make to the .css... its still not updating on the page... waa?
10:21 snoy_ms iaj: your css file doesnt work? check it with firebug.
10:21 snoy_ms check the element that doesnt work
10:25 iaj_ welll snoy_ms the problem is... firebug is still giving me old values
10:26 iaj_ clicking on the css is showing the old ka.css file as well... hm... :/
10:26 snoy_ms iaj_: you have a link to that page ?
10:26 snoy_ms cache ?
10:26 iaj_ I cleared cache.. well yeah
10:26 iaj_ page is leadgewinnung.de
10:27 iaj_ body { there' shoulda be a color: #000000; instead of #666666 for example
10:28 snoy_ms the body comes from the ka.css file
10:28 iaj_ yeh... thats the one I changed.. hmmm when I open up http://www.marcgalal.com/fileadmin/css/ka.css its still the old one.. waaa what the heck :D
10:28 iaj_ and on top : /* Getting from cache galal */
10:28 snoy_ms iaj_: and your sure you edit the correct one ?
10:29 snoy_ms ok...
10:29 snoy_ms i have this color: #000000;
10:29 iaj_ "ftp://www.marcgalal.com/httpdocs/fileadmin/css/ka.css" 1548 lines --0%--
10:29 iaj_ written correctly
10:29 iaj_ you have color #00000?
10:29 snoy_ms in the css file
10:29 iaj_ ahw.. yweh.. me 2..
10:30 iaj_ had to Shift-Reload
10:30 iaj_ so I'm even more wth :/
10:30 iaj_ ok now its working...?!
10:30 Neo2 I need to make a extension/FCE able to group pictures and FLVs by categories and be able to output the HTML and a separate XML. Any ideas / references how to do this?
10:30 snoy_ms iaj_: for me it seems to work
10:30 iaj_ Why is it working now :\ ?
10:31 snoy_ms iaj_: firebug says -> body color.....#000000
10:31 iaj_ snoy_ms: yeah.. I'm just wondering why it didn't work out before - right now I didn't change a thing about it.
10:31 snoy_ms iaj_: magic........don't know. such thing happens sometimes ;-)
10:33 iaj_ can you feel the magic!? ok - never happened before tho :)
10:42 libertiy hi everyone
10:42 libertiy where can i download the typo3 testsite zip?
10:42 libertiy i cannot find it
10:43 libertiy ive installed alpha version
10:43 libertiy because i dont like the UI on the 4.3
10:43 libertiy but I guess I cannot use that in production..
10:43 libertiy so are there any ways to improve the UI backend somehow? skins, themes?
10:43 Neo2 http://typo3.org/download/packages/
10:43 PiMB you could try t3skin and improved t3skin
10:44 PiMB upgrades everything a bit
10:44 libertiy thanks Neo2 i have this one installed locally on osx typo3_src+dummy-4.4
10:44 libertiy but i see no example site with pages, etc (?)
10:44 libertiy PiMB: t3skin? where can i find that
10:44 PiMB in the ext repository
10:45 libertiy you mean http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/t3xskin/current/ ?
10:45 PiMB yeah
10:46 libertiy the alpha is that usable for me or would it casue all kind of errors on extensions?
10:46 libertiy i know im a software developer i should not ask this but
10:46 libertiy i guess i revert back to the old source tree then and use that skin hope its good
10:46 libertiy how about tt_products, is that the e-commerce way to go? since typo3 commerce seems outdated/non maintained
10:46 PiMB t3skin works just fine
10:47 PiMB the state of extensions is most often forgotten to update along the way
10:47 PiMB there are a lot of extension alpha or beta that are fine to use
10:47 PiMB but as always you need to try yourself
10:48 PiMB e-commerce in TYPO3 is arguably not at all the e-commerce way to go
10:48 PiMB but both are up to the task
10:48 PiMB more or less
10:48 PiMB depends on your wishes for the e-commerce environment
10:49 libertiy I found typo3 commerce not installing depending on an old extension from 2008
10:49 libertiy so that felt as a no go straight away
10:49 libertiy the biggest problem i have i want to have a simple UI for endusers. to edit there site
10:49 libertiy im currently have some non profit sites on 12 wordpress installations
10:49 libertiy and this totally scks so i have the plan to migrate everything to typo3
10:50 libertiy for 1 site i need a simple shop with not much advanched stuff
10:50 libertiy just listing and product basked, user registration and order history
10:50 libertiy guess thats all in.. BUT the *endusers* must be able to edit there products, so i wonder, is that possible? intuitieve?
10:50 libertiy its no use to me if i have to edit the products and add them if they can't do it thereself
10:52 PiMB pretty much intuitieve.
10:52 PiMB both have backend modules to manage products and categories.
10:52 libertiy i really love typo3 but there seem less communicty activity going on
10:52 PiMB then where?
10:52 libertiy so your answers are a mayor help for me here solving already 2 big issues
10:53 PiMB :)
10:53 PiMB np
10:53 iaj_ snoy_ms: thanks for your help, btw !
10:53 libertiy well on google groups and some forums i found
10:53 libertiy could you advise me on best way to do templates for sites on typo3 and multi sites?
10:53 snoy_ms iaj_: np, i didnt anything at all
10:53 PiMB libertiy TYPO3 community is active in IRC and mailing lists
10:53 PiMB usually answers on the fly
10:53 libertiy already red something on that, but i need a best practive template solution for typo3 have to migrate 12 websites as fast as possible
10:54 PiMB there are multiple ways to do templating.
10:54 PiMB I prefer the 'hands-on' method of writing and linking by hand
10:54 PiMB but there is templa-voila or automaketemplate for instance as well
10:54 libertiy i need a quick simple solution that is clean, preferrable with as less typo3 generated html content in the output
10:54 PiMB depends on your knowledge / technical expertise
10:54 libertiy ive red a bit about that yes seems interesting
10:55 libertiy but there is no default template that has handy functionality backed in perhaps?
10:55 libertiy some starter theme so to say
10:55 PiMB hm, T3 is not really outof the box like that
10:55 PiMB sorry mate
10:55 libertiy and btw.. that site example (dummy) should that list an example site with pages, contact form, etc? cause if i login i see nothing in the admin
10:55 libertiy okay no problem i can code it myself thats no problem was just curious if something would exist
10:56 PiMB if you installed the dummy I believe you should have a website yes
10:56 libertiy i do a new install now.trying it again since i had alpha removed that again
10:56 PiMB http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Ts45min
10:56 PiMB take a look at some wiki docs for startups
10:58 libertiy hmm no i just get No TypoScript template found! && empty backend no pages
10:59 libertiy i checked both 123 install and full install if there was an option importing example data but could not find it
11:01 PiMB strange
11:02 libertiy just home and media
11:02 libertiy and frontend shows up nothing
11:03 libertiy hmm that skin isent really what i looked for ;p i like the default even better thats white the uix t3skin is brownish
11:03 PiMB :)
11:03 PiMB you could always make your own
11:04 libertiy argh.. not it wont even load anymore after activating it.. yeah i guess thats what ill need to do creating a new skin for backend
11:06 libertiy my own fault old db tables, flused db and now fine again ;p
11:07 mquintus Ahoy. After the Update from Typo3 4.2 to 4.3, I've installed tinymce_rte 0.5 but it doesn't work. Any informations about the new tinymce_rte not working?
11:07 mquintus And yes, I've uninstalled rte_htmlarea
11:13 libertiy whats the best way to minize access for endusers? to let them only see certain parts
11:13 libertiy or perhaps use a adapted backend skin for non admins, would that be possible?
11:14 PiMB libertiy, there is an extensive BE user environment. Can be found via menu item 'User admin' under 'Admin tools' (in english BE)
11:14 libertiy BE user enviroment? what does be stand for?
11:14 PiMB Back end
11:14 PiMB ;)
11:14 libertiy ok never mind i see it yes
11:15 libertiy i expected some drupalish complicated but its simple ;p
11:15 libertiy i have to build a simple shop but fiound it hard to get some good examples, tutorials on tt_products
11:15 libertiy any idea where i can find a list of sites created with tt_products or a demo, theme, templates?
11:16 libertiy also some "example data" would be very welcome, a demo site with some pages, preferreable a contact form and those kind of things, just to get an idea of how everythings hangs together in typo3
11:17 PiMB well, I don't know about that one
11:18 libertiy hmm okay do you know maybe an example demo online i can look into?
11:18 libertiy since that "test site " /dummy seems not to work for me, or its just setting up the default structure and not content i guess the latter
11:18 libertiy i just need an example site to import in typo to learn it fast
11:28 phil1 libertiy: try this one http://webempoweredchurch.org/support/how-to-build-your-website/
11:31 phil1 libertiy: here are the packages http://webempoweredchurch.org/services/download-packages/
11:35 libertiy thanks phil1 that seem very helpfull
11:39 libertiy phil there seem some very interesting things on that site, looks like they have there own ui also? you use it?
11:39 libertiy although i dont want to download a whole package just plugin/extnesion i have typo3 already setup
11:50 nico974 Hi
11:51 nico974 i have a problem about typo3, i want to speak about that
11:52 nico974 i tried to put an img on 2 col, in the frontend i have some img tag with src="", img don't display
11:52 nico974 anyone can give me an issue ?
11:56 mquintus nico974: probably the path of the image is wrong and typo3 doesnt find it^^ How exactly do you insert the image?
11:56 mquintus nico974: Typoscript?
11:56 mquintus nico974: Content Element?
11:57 libertiy i found dummy and testsite are 2 different things
11:57 libertiy anyone can tell me where i can download the testsite . zip for latest typo? its very hidden i cannot seem to find anything like it on typo3.org
11:58 nico974 mquintus : i insert image with content element
11:59 nico974 mqintus : in media tab
12:00 libertiy http://sourceforge.net/projects/typo3/files/ seems that there is no test site for the 4.3 version if i look it up there
12:00 libertiy so i can install an older package ? (testsite)
12:01 nico974 mquintus : http://www.api-design.net/screen.png
12:02 libertiy hmm and the testsite seems to be a whole sourcetree also.. i thought it was some .sql importing some pages and examples ;s argh
12:03 libertiy nico974: i had that same issue here locally on osx.. must be a permission or image processing tool problem (imagemagick? )
12:03 libertiy is there a way to import a wordpress site into typo3? some migration tools etc?
12:03 libertiy they i try that
12:04 nico974 libertiy : when i put on one column images display, when i put on two column images don't display
12:04 libertiy hmm if it works on 1 ocassion and not in the other it must be typo related and im typo newbie ;p
12:05 nico974 ok
12:11 libertiy hmm i fetched language my own
12:11 libertiy and set it in admin to default language
12:11 libertiy still shows
12:11 libertiy english? any idea what i missed here? logout and login first?
12:15 nico974 no idea ?
12:17 nico974 anyone ?
12:33 nico974 maybe i have to install Imagemagick
12:44 libertiy could well be
12:44 libertiy imagmagick what you need
12:45 libertiy cause it resizes some images and others not causing the non resized to show up corectly and the thumbnails not
13:02 Denyerec Anyone here in the UK and looking for work ?
13:02 Denyerec Got a potential job integrating an existing Typo3 site with Zencart
13:39 tPl0ch What could be the problem that formhandler is not sending out mails to the recipients (that are configured fine)
13:49 Provito tPl0ch, check your mail logs to check that the emails are being sent or if there is an error reported
13:56 tPl0ch Provito: no sending at all in mail.log and mail.err
13:57 nick108 Hi there, I'm struggling to find the location of my RealURL config file
13:57 nick108 can see the config with the info module, but have no clue where it is located in the file system
13:57 Provito nick108, by default it creates in typo3conf/realurl_autoconf.php
13:58 Provito but read the config and make your own and update the configuration
13:58 nick108 I saw that, but the file is serialized and even if I change it to not serialized I can only see it serialized :-(
14:02 tPl0ch Provito: 25.03.2010 14:16 - Core: Unable to autoload class "Tx_Formhandler_MailerInterface"
14:03 tPl0ch that's in typo3 error.log
14:03 Provito right so you are narrowing it down
14:03 tPl0ch but that's not all
14:03 tPl0ch there is classes in there that are said to not be loaded, but are working
14:03 tPl0ch the Form is working
14:03 tPl0ch only the emails are not sent
14:08 Provito tPl0ch, presumably your php.ini is setup correctly so that mail works correctly normally?
14:09 tPl0ch Provito, we have a root server where dozens of scripts use it
14:09 Provito nick108, here's a sample realurl conf
14:09 Provito http://cwebd.co.uk/typo3doc/cwebd_realurl.conf
14:10 nick108 Provito: I just upgraded to RealURL 1.7 and deleted the old typo3conf/realurl_autoconf.php
14:10 Provito tPl0ch, ok in this case I'd debug the code and check for the point the mail is called and see the issue
14:10 nick108 it was then recreated unserialized
14:10 Provito nick108, great
14:10 nick108 so now I can edit it and add my enableDomainLookup setting
14:10 nick108 thx Provito
14:42 No5251 StaffanE: if you klick the links there will be update-buttons
14:43 drewdrumchum Anyone know how to read Calendar Events into tt_news?
14:43 No5251 drewdrumchum: EXT:cal_ts_service
14:46 StaffanE No5251: I know - just annoying extra step to take
14:46 drewdrumchum Thanks. I've used cal_ts_service and it seems to let me read tt_news events into the calendar plug-in but I didn't see where it would let me do the reverse. e.g. read calendar events into tt_news. Did I miss it?
14:49 No5251 StaffanE: strg + click ;)
14:50 No5251 but you'd like to have an "update all"-button
14:50 StaffanE No5251: exactly
14:53 No5251 StaffanE: me2 ;)
14:53 No5251 drewdrumchum: maybe http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/?tx_terfe_pi1[view]=search&no_cache=1&tx_terfe_pi1[sword]=mbl_newsevent
14:56 drewdrumchum No5251: Thanks. I'll review the extension. The only issue I had with cal_ts_service was that I could not figure out how to add an end date and time for the calendar. Any thoughts on how to do that?
15:15 ZaFantasy hi
15:16 ZaFantasy how I can set that the user group can see a clear cache button ?
15:19 libertiy are there any tutorials on typo3 templating?
15:19 libertiy it seems that with typo there isent really much recent activity on docs etc?
15:38 Winston_S libertiy: http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/tutorials/
15:40 libertiy ok thanks Winston_S
15:40 libertiy would it be possible
15:40 libertiy to 1) create a admin ui that modifies the Html also ( not just css and images ) and 2) to assign a custom backend theme to a user?
15:40 libertiy those 2 things are a must have for me if i want to use typo3 since its so flexible this must be done ?
15:41 Winston_S since you've got full access to the code it is possible. not sure if it is sensible though.
15:44 libertiy hmm but i need it to "load" when a user is logged in and not an admin
15:44 libertiy how would one do that inside typo?
15:45 libertiy assign a certain backend theme to a user
15:47 libertiy would that be possible out of the box?
15:47 libertiy i find myself getting stuck on work trying to do things not possible out of the box a lot
15:48 Winston_S why would you need a special backend theme for other backend users. you can limit access to non-admin users to pretty much nothing, after they've logged in.
15:51 libertiy hmm cause i have some very non technical copywriters
15:51 libertiy and i would like to remove some complete elements
15:51 libertiy in the backend ui
15:51 libertiy like the panel on the left with all options i want to remove it completly
15:52 Winston_S for what i know you can do all this by limiting access rights.
15:52 libertiy i know i can set what they see and what not.. but also dont want the searchbox and favorites on top
15:52 libertiy btw http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/tutorials/ tutorials from 2004 6 year old?
15:52 Winston_S yea and?
15:52 libertiy not all, some, do we have to take that serious?
15:53 Winston_S do we have to take windows xp serious?
15:53 libertiy hehe no ;p
15:54 libertiy but its a shame typo3 has lots of potential but feels like the community is a bit lacking behind in activity if you compare to other cms's ( which are worse in functionality )
15:55 Winston_S well, go ahead. write a nice tutorial and publish it.
16:02 marcuslind Is it possible to publish images in tt_news in the same way you can do it in a ordinary pagecontent?
16:06 libertiy winston i will document my findings and let it know when im done here maybe usefull for new users
16:06 libertiy or some blog posts from it
16:06 libertiy tryed to remove some stuff from the admin backend with user rights but the search and fav items on top still stay, cannot disable them
16:07 libertiy so any way to disable those too or can i load another backend skin for a certain use
16:07 Winston_S have you tried using them as limited user?
16:09 libertiy you mean i logged in as the user with the limited persmissions? yes i have
16:12 Winston_S for what i know the search wont return a result a limited user is not supposed to access.
16:20 libertiy i see you have tsconfig
16:20 libertiy that could be something but i really found i have to create a seconds backend skin
16:21 libertiy and activate that for a user and no idea how i can do this :(
16:23 libertiy perhaps setting an extension per user?
16:24 libertiy making use of an backend skin extension i modify for endusers so it gets loaded for them only
16:38 libertiy trying to get commerce to work
16:38 libertiy but it doesent work
16:38 libertiy with latest stable version of typo3
16:57 sudhanshu hello
16:58 sudhanshu any gsoc students here
17:27 Winston_S see you

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